ID-880 Settings for D-DRATS
I'm trying to get D-RATS configured for the first time with my ID-880H. ?Every site that I see about this combination says that I must set the radio value DVT=DVTAT. ?I have found all the other recommended settings on the radio, but not DVT.
Thoughts?
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Re: mb6jp d-rats on ref015 C can you see me?
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Hello,
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My ststion is 24/7 so you can connect and test any time.
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I moved to module D as suggested however no one on there, there was 2 other stations on Module C
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I'll stay on C for now.
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feel free to have a play.
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Thanks
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james.
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Module D (REF015D) is designated for DRATS use. I would tune in but am stuck at work til 1800 eastern time.
--- In d-rats_group@..., <d-rats_group@...> wrote:
I have set up a small test station using a dv dongle
I am hooked in to ref 015 C using D-rats
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Please can I ask if you have any spare time try a ping or leave me a mail .or message.
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Hope to be setting up real radio for this soon.
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Thanks
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James / 2e1avx / kg7efv
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Re: mb6jp d-rats on ref015 C can you see me?
Module D (REF015D) is designated for DRATS use. I would tune in but am stuck at work til 1800 eastern time.
--- In d-rats_group@..., <d-rats_group@...> wrote: I have set up a small test station using a dv dongle
I am hooked in to ref 015 C using D-rats
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Please can I ask if you have any spare time try a ping or leave me a mail .or message.
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Hope to be setting up real radio for this soon.
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Thanks
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James / 2e1avx / kg7efv
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mb6jp d-rats on ref015 C can you see me?
I have set up a small test station using a dv dongle
I am hooked in to ref 015 C using D-rats
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Please can I ask if you have any spare time try a ping or leave me a mail .or message.
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Hope to be setting up real radio for this soon.
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Thanks
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James / 2e1avx / kg7efv
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Re: D-RATS & AX25 (9600 baud question)
Hi Dan,
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I managed to set up ratflector on one PC which is connected to the 44 network (ham radio)
and in that rafflector also include the Internet d-rats server.
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Then from a remote PC also connected over the 44 network run d-rats client, I pointed it to the 44 IP address of the above station, made a connection and was able to send a *Ping All* and get a list of all stations on the Internet side.
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I was then able to chat to a remote station in near real time (no delays) send and rx mail and all other features worked no issues at all.
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I then found another user who was connected via:-? PC--d-star radio--d-star repeater--Ratflector--d-rats server
So the full Monty of?D-star connection to d-rats.
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So It will work....?Could this be the savior of packet radio and the ampr net?
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Next tests will be to see if I can cross e-mail between the 2 systems...
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Also want to see if a d-star hot-spot will allow data to be transmitted with no radio using the rat-flector?
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73 and good luck
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James / 2e1avx / mb7jp/ mb7usm / mb7ism / kg7efv ;-)
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Re: D-RATS & AX25 (9600 baud question)
Very interesting concept, James.?? I'm not familiar with ampr.org.?? I will have to check it out. ?? ?
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Subject: [d-rats_group] Re: D-RATS & AX25 (9600 baud question)? ? Hi Dan,
OK so the next stage up from ax25 / packet radio is to put the old TNC in kiss mode and from Linux assign an IP address to the radio interface.
In Ham radio we have ampr.org which is a full class A subnet 44.0.0.0
it basically means you can build an IP network connected over normal ham radio 2 meters 70 cms or whatever.
Much slower but think wi-fi
given each radio station is now an IP address on a network, there is no reason to set ratflector to talk ax-25.
You set up ratflector to listen on port 9001 on your 44.x network (radio side) and get the other radio users to point the d-rats client over network to 44.x.y.z
The radios will key up and send the data back and forth
This will also work over the mesh (wi-fi) networks used by hams
I guess its much easier than ax25 as far as the ratflector goes and you should at least get tnc talking to the main d-rat server
How we span in to the d-star network I have no idea..
Cheers
James.
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Re: D-RATS & AX25 (9600 baud question)
Hi Dan,
OK so the next stage up from ax25 / packet radio is to put the old TNC in kiss mode and from Linux assign an IP address to the radio interface.
In Ham radio we have ampr.org which is a full class A subnet 44.0.0.0
it basically means you can build an IP network connected over normal ham radio 2 meters 70 cms or whatever.
Much slower but think wi-fi
given each radio station is now an IP address on a network, there is no reason to set ratflector to talk ax-25.
You set up ratflector to listen on port 9001 on your 44.x network (radio side) and get the other radio users to point the d-rats client over network to 44.x.y.z
The radios will key up and send the data back and forth
This will also work over the mesh (wi-fi) networks used by hams
I guess its much easier than ax25 as far as the ratflector goes and you should at least get tnc talking to the main d-rat server
How we span in to the d-star network I have no idea..
Cheers
James.
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I have on several occasion setup a network with many different computers running D-Rats. I typically use KA8JMW, KA8JMW-1...? D-Rats users then sees each of these as unique stations. Ed KA8JMW
--- In undefined, <d-rats_group@...> wrote: John and the group,You have swerved into something I have tried to warn users about. You can have the same callsign on more than one instance of D-RATS, but please don't turn them on at the same time. As you can see, the chat operation was unpredictable. Just imagine two (or more) stations trying to respond to a mail transfer request - not good. If you need to have more than one station using the same callsign, please use a self-assigned designator. From the rules for Amateur Radio:
§ 97.119 Station identification.
(c) One or more indicators may be included with the call sign. Each indicator must be separated from the call sign by the slant mark (/) or by any suitable word that denotes the slant mark. If an indicator is self-assigned, it must be included before, after, or both before and after, the call sign. No self-assigned indicator may conflict with any other indicator specified by the FCC Rules or with any prefix assigned to another country.
It has become common practice to use a dash followed by a letter or number.
This is sort of a moot point as the radio transmitting the data will identify itself with the MYCALL field. Still, using unique callsigns that conform to the rules is just good practice.
The D-RATS "callsign" can be any eight characters, which allows for tactical callsigns like EOC, Hospital, Shelter or Post 1. This makes it easier on field operators since they won't have to remember which Amateur callsign is at which location.
One thing I ask is PLEEEEEEEEEASE use an Amateur callsign on your D-RATS station unless you have a compelling reason to do so (like a declared emergency).?
Thanks for reading, Patrick (N3TSZ)
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Re: D-RATS & AX25 (9600 baud question)
We're in the same place, then.? I have made a tnc work on d-rats, but cannot make it work on a ratflector.?? ??I don't understand your question about "44 IP".???? ? Dan W4DTO
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Re: D-RATS & AX25 (9600 baud question)
sorry tnc to d-rats only not the ratflector...
The DV dongle is more proof of concept, its the only D-Star item I have access to at this time, so think of it as a radio (to be bought at Christmas!)
Will test tnc again tonight with my fellow packet guy and see if we get anywhere, will report back tomorrow.
Did you see if you ran 44 IP over packet you could easily connect ratflector to network / 44 and put it over radio????
Will test that also..
Cheers
James 2e1avx
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Re: D-RATS & AX25 (9600 baud question)
I had hoped that it could be an easy fix, but I haven't been able to get anywhere with it. ???Everyone we have talked to (including the developer) about it has said that there is not much developing going on with the ratflector app, and they don't seem to see much interest in AX25 on a ratflector.?? I think it would be an extremely useful tool if it could be made to work.? ? James, I just read your email again, and I believe you said you made a TNC work with a ratflector but not with a dongle.? Did you really make a TNC work with a ratflector?? That is what I have had trouble accomplishing.?? ? I don't really see the benefit of connecting a dongle to a ratflector.?? A DVAP, maybe but not sure about a dongle.???? Are you trying to connect a DV-Dongle???? ? My idea was to have a ratflector with a TNC and D-STAR radio connected. ??That would allow both D-STAR and non-D-STAR radios to connect to the ratflector.?? Then, the ratflector could connect to multiple D-RATS nodes, and everyone would be tied together.??? I'm not sure what a DV-Dongle would add to that. ?
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Subject: [d-rats_group] Re: D-RATS & AX25 (9600 baud question)? ? Ok thanks for the reports I will test again too and let you know if i get the same issues.
I did report back on the dv-dongle in the repeater and that DID NOT work either.
Works fine in the d-rats application though
Hopefully this is a really really simple fix **Please*
Cheers
James. 2e1avx
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> I have tried this with both a Kantronics TNC and AGWPE, and I cannot make the AX25 piece work on the ratflector app. ??AX25 seems to work with the DRATS client. ??I think there may be a bug in the ratflector app. ??If it could be made to work I think this would be very useful.
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> Sent from Samsung tablet
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> From: mb7usm <j.preece@...>
> Date: 08/28/2013 8:11 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: d-rats_group@...
> Subject: [d-rats_group] Re: D-RATS & AX25 (9600 baud question)
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> Have you managed to gateway from
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> d-rats---tnc----<radio>--------tnc---ratfelctor---dstar--->>>
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> This si what i am looking to do and then help build a gateway between the digital and analogue worlds so we can exchnage chat and e-mail.
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> Here in the UK most packet (not much about) is 1200 baud, we also run IP over radio using the 44 block.
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> 2 thought processes either using ax25 or running d--rats on the existing ip 44 network (over radio) could work.
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> my ratflector will hook up to the tnc and also the internet ratflector, however whilst trying to connect to my DV dongle it just crahes out.
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> DV dongle works on its own in d-rats though which is sttrange.
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> anyway look forward to hearing from you and on your progress
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> cheers 73 de james / 2e1avx
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Re: D-RATS & AX25 (9600 baud question)
Ok thanks for the reports I will test again too and let you know if i get the same issues.
I did report back on the dv-dongle in the repeater and that DID NOT work either.
Works fine in the d-rats application though
Hopefully this is a really really simple fix **Please*
Cheers
James. 2e1avx
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I have tried this with both a Kantronics TNC and AGWPE, and I cannot make the AX25 piece work on the ratflector app. ??AX25 seems to work with the DRATS client. ??I think there may be a bug in the ratflector app. ??If it could be made to work I think this would be very useful.
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From: mb7usm <j.preece@...>
Date: 08/28/2013 8:11 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: d-rats_group@...
Subject: [d-rats_group] Re: D-RATS & AX25 (9600 baud question)
Have you managed to gateway from
d-rats---tnc----<radio>----<radio>----tnc---ratfelctor---dstar--->>>
This si what i am looking to do and then help build a gateway between the digital and analogue worlds so we can exchnage chat and e-mail.
Here in the UK most packet (not much about) is 1200 baud, we also run IP over radio using the 44 block.
2 thought processes either using ax25 or running d--rats on the existing ip 44 network (over radio) could work.
my ratflector will hook up to the tnc and also the internet ratflector, however whilst trying to connect to my DV dongle it just crahes out.
DV dongle works on its own in d-rats though which is sttrange.
anyway look forward to hearing from you and on your progress
cheers 73 de james / 2e1avx
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Re: D-RATS & AX25 (9600 baud question)
I have tried this with both a Kantronics TNC and AGWPE, and I cannot make the AX25 piece work on the ratflector app. ?AX25 seems to work with the DRATS client. ?I think there may be a bug in the ratflector app. ?If it could be made to work I think this would be very useful.
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Have you managed to gateway from
d-rats---tnc----<radio>----<radio>----tnc---ratfelctor---dstar--->>>
This si what i am looking to do and then help build a gateway between the digital and analogue worlds so we can exchnage chat and e-mail.
Here in the UK most packet (not much about) is 1200 baud, we also run IP over radio using the 44 block.
2 thought processes either using ax25 or running d--rats on the existing ip 44 network (over radio) could work.
my ratflector will hook up to the tnc and also the internet ratflector, however whilst trying to connect to my DV dongle it just crahes out.
DV dongle works on its own in d-rats though which is sttrange.
anyway look forward to hearing from you and on your progress
cheers 73 de james / 2e1avx
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Re: D-RATS & AX25 (9600 baud question)
Have you managed to gateway from
d-rats---tnc----<radio>----<radio>----tnc---ratfelctor---dstar--->>>
This si what i am looking to do and then help build a gateway between the digital and analogue worlds so we can exchnage chat and e-mail.
Here in the UK most packet (not much about) is 1200 baud, we also run IP over radio using the 44 block.
2 thought processes either using ax25 or running d--rats on the existing ip 44 network (over radio) could work.
my ratflector will hook up to the tnc and also the internet ratflector, however whilst trying to connect to my DV dongle it just crahes out.
DV dongle works on its own in d-rats though which is sttrange.
anyway look forward to hearing from you and on your progress
cheers 73 de james / 2e1avx
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D-Rats hot-spot / ratflector and DV dongle query
Hello I am James / 2e1avx / MB6JP
I have been playing with d-ats for the last month or so and love the simplicity..so far and what you can achieve with the software.
I am now looking to stretch the bounderies and have a few additional questions.
Firstly is it possible to have the repeater proxy connected to both rafflector network and a DV dongle and seemlessly pass connections both ways? I ahve been trying today but once the dongle is added everything stops working.
Secondly, I have an existing network of about 10 users on ax25 packet / IP over radio. Last night I tested the TNC / ax25 part of d-rat and got it to transmit.
Is it possible to set up a ratflector outside of the GUI, just on the command line to complement the existing ax25 / IP set up?
Can you point me in the best direction to do this and set up?
I am using a raspberry pi at the moment so want to keep it all command line and small config / space.
Thirdly, moving away from tnc / ax25 if you you ampr.og 44 addressing on radio already (old school) you could set up RATS between IP radio stations.
This would also work on the GHz wi-fi **mesh** networks and give higher speed connections.
The ability to ateway between the analogue world and digital world and be able to exchange chat and mail (maybe files if you wait a week or so hi..) is appealing to me, it would generate a lot of interest and hopefully drive the RATS project forward and combine the 2 technologies and drive the hoby to the next generation.
Sorry for the ramblings hopefully I stayed on topic, please let me know if you ahve any thoughts on this or ideas on the dongle bit?
Thanks for your help and comments
james / 2e1avx / mb6jp
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John and the group,You have swerved into something I have tried to warn users about. You can have the same callsign on more than one instance of D-RATS, but please don't turn them on at the same time. As you can see, the chat operation was unpredictable. Just imagine two (or more) stations trying to respond to a mail transfer request - not good. If you need to have more than one station using the same callsign, please use a self-assigned designator. From the rules for Amateur Radio:
§ 97.119 Station identification.
(c) One or more indicators may be included with the call sign. Each indicator must be separated from the call sign by the slant mark (/) or by any suitable word that denotes the slant mark. If an indicator is self-assigned, it must be included before, after, or both before and after, the call sign. No self-assigned indicator may conflict with any other indicator specified by the FCC Rules or with any prefix assigned to another country.
It has become common practice to use a dash followed by a letter or number.
This is sort of a moot point as the radio transmitting the data will identify itself with the MYCALL field. Still, using unique callsigns that conform to the rules is just good practice.
The D-RATS "callsign" can be any eight characters, which allows for tactical callsigns like EOC, Hospital, Shelter or Post 1. This makes it easier on field operators since they won't have to remember which Amateur callsign is at which location.
One thing I ask is PLEEEEEEEEEASE use an Amateur callsign on your D-RATS station unless you have a compelling reason to do so (like a declared emergency).?
Thanks for reading, Patrick (N3TSZ)
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Re: D-rats not keying ID-51A
Sly, one more thing that puzzled me yesterday morning as I was trying to confirm my settings for you.? I had one instance of D-RATS running on my PC connected
to the 51 (the radio link).? I had another running on the Internet on another PC.? I have a Ratflector that bridges Internet to RF.
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I could see the 51 keying up, but would not receive data from my other station.? I could ping from either and the station lists would update, but no chat data
would pass between.
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I fionally realized that I had both stations with the same callsign in the D=RATS preferences.? I added a -5 to my 51 station and everything worked.? I learned
a lesson that it’s okay to run the same callsign on all of MY d-RATS stations as long as I’m not using more than one.? Most likely, I would be putting a tactical call in the Preferences when actually operating.
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John WB4QDX
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Subject: [d-rats_group] Re: D-rats not keying ID-51A
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OK thanks John for the reply.
After comparing my radio settings to yours looks like I was unaware that the "GPS OUT" setting has to be set to OFF, mine was ON. Everything else was verbatim.
I had followed a setup guide posted several months ago on this group for the 51 and GPS OUT setting was not mentioned thus missed by me. Not sure if ON is factory default but I don't ever remember changing it.
Anyway it works now.
Thx Sly n5gqb
--- In d-rats_group@..., John Davis <wb4qdx@...> wrote:
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> Sly:
> I tested my 51A with the following settings and it worked with D-RATS.
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> ID-31A/51A
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> 9600
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> GPS>GPS TX Mode = OFF, GPS>GPS Auto TX = OFF, GPS>GPS Set>GPS Out = OFF, DV Set>DV Data TX = Auto
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> Don't forget to set the right COM port. Use Device Manager to locate it. Also, make sure only your radio entry is checked in Preferences>Radio.
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> By the way, I have used my 51A for packet and soundcard modes with my KPC-3+ and SignaLink USB with some special cables I made up.
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> Hope this helps.
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> John WB4QDX
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> From: sly [mailto:kapchinskipc@...]
> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 1:08 AM
> To: d-rats_group@...
> Subject: [d-rats_group] D-rats not keying ID-51A
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> Hey all:
> Just getting setup for d-rats. I am using the 51a radio, using the "orange" RT Systems cable. I have the following set correctly in my radio; GPS TX Mode = OFF, GPS Auto TX = OFF, DV Data TX = Auto and baud set to 9600.
> I have set up (in d-rats) the 51a radio in the Preferences/Radio tab using Com 3 and baud of 9600.
> When I start d-rats it shows connected to the 51a. However I cannot get it to transmit when I ping a callsign (ping station feature) or use ping "all stations" to start a conversation. The 51a is selected in the dropdown selection of radios to use, left of
send line/button.
> I realize other station(s) has to be in the "stations" list in order to chat with them first. So where am I going wrong and how do I get other stations propagated into the "stations" section and why will my radio not key up?
> Thx n5gqb Sly
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OK thanks John for the reply.
After comparing my radio settings to yours looks like I was unaware that the "GPS OUT" setting has to be set to OFF, mine was ON. Everything else was verbatim.
I had followed a setup guide posted several months ago on this group for the 51 and GPS OUT setting was not mentioned thus missed by me. Not sure if ON is factory default but I don't ever remember changing it.
Anyway it works now.
Thx Sly n5gqb
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Sly:
I tested my 51A with the following settings and it worked with D-RATS.
ID-31A/51A
9600
GPS>GPS TX Mode = OFF, GPS>GPS Auto TX = OFF, GPS>GPS Set>GPS Out = OFF, DV Set>DV Data TX = Auto
Don't forget to set the right COM port. Use Device Manager to locate it. Also, make sure only your radio entry is checked in Preferences>Radio.
By the way, I have used my 51A for packet and soundcard modes with my KPC-3+ and SignaLink USB with some special cables I made up.
Hope this helps.
John WB4QDX
From: sly [mailto:kapchinskipc@...]
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 1:08 AM
To: d-rats_group@...
Subject: [d-rats_group] D-rats not keying ID-51A
Hey all:
Just getting setup for d-rats. I am using the 51a radio, using the "orange" RT Systems cable. I have the following set correctly in my radio; GPS TX Mode = OFF, GPS Auto TX = OFF, DV Data TX = Auto and baud set to 9600.
I have set up (in d-rats) the 51a radio in the Preferences/Radio tab using Com 3 and baud of 9600.
When I start d-rats it shows connected to the 51a. However I cannot get it to transmit when I ping a callsign (ping station feature) or use ping "all stations" to start a conversation. The 51a is selected in the dropdown selection of radios to use, left of send line/button.
I realize other station(s) has to be in the "stations" list in order to chat with them first. So where am I going wrong and how do I get other stations propagated into the "stations" section and why will my radio not key up?
Thx n5gqb Sly
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Re: D-rats not keying ID-51A
By the way, I was using the orange RT Systems cable as well.
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John WB4QDX
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Subject: [d-rats_group] D-rats not keying ID-51A
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Hey all:
Just getting setup for d-rats. I am using the 51a radio, using the "orange" RT Systems cable. I have the following set correctly in my radio; GPS TX Mode = OFF, GPS Auto TX = OFF, DV Data TX = Auto and baud set to 9600.
I have set up (in d-rats) the 51a radio in the Preferences/Radio tab using Com 3 and baud of 9600.
When I start d-rats it shows connected to the 51a. However I cannot get it to transmit when I ping a callsign (ping station feature) or use ping "all stations" to start a conversation. The 51a is selected in the dropdown selection of radios to use, left of
send line/button.
I realize other station(s) has to be in the "stations" list in order to chat with them first. So where am I going wrong and how do I get other stations propagated into the "stations" section and why will my radio not key up?
Thx n5gqb Sly
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Re: D-rats not keying ID-51A
Sly:
I tested my 51A with the following settings and it worked with D-RATS.
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ID-31A/51A
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9600
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GPS>GPS TX Mode = OFF, GPS>GPS Auto TX = OFF, GPS>GPS Set>GPS Out = OFF, DV Set>DV Data TX = Auto
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Don’t forget to set the right COM port.? Use Device Manager to locate it.? Also, make sure only your radio entry is checked in Preferences>Radio.
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By the way, I have used my 51A for packet and soundcard modes with my KPC-3+? and SignaLink USB with some special cables I made up.
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Hope this helps.
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John WB4QDX
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From: sly [mailto:kapchinskipc@...]
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 1:08 AM
To: d-rats_group@...
Subject: [d-rats_group] D-rats not keying ID-51A
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Hey all:
Just getting setup for d-rats. I am using the 51a radio, using the "orange" RT Systems cable. I have the following set correctly in my radio; GPS TX Mode = OFF, GPS Auto TX = OFF, DV Data TX = Auto and baud set to 9600.
I have set up (in d-rats) the 51a radio in the Preferences/Radio tab using Com 3 and baud of 9600.
When I start d-rats it shows connected to the 51a. However I cannot get it to transmit when I ping a callsign (ping station feature) or use ping "all stations" to start a conversation. The 51a is selected in the dropdown selection of radios to use, left of
send line/button.
I realize other station(s) has to be in the "stations" list in order to chat with them first. So where am I going wrong and how do I get other stations propagated into the "stations" section and why will my radio not key up?
Thx n5gqb Sly
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Dan Ozment
Patrick Connor