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Re: What is everyone using for IR with VC4?
#vc4
If you have video distribution, many can send IR direct like Binary MoIP and AV Proedge.? Our sales team still prefer Samsung TVs where IP control is a pain, so we still do IR for that.??I have tested the Global Cache IP2IR and it works well.? When possible, we try to use IP controlled devices like Roku.? I have also tested making a processor secondary (slaving) and ESIC to VC4 and can confirm it works.? It comes down to designing around what is available.??
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Re: Matter implementation for Crestron?
I'm not aware of any information at this time, other than?Crestron being a member. "Participant Members contribute to and develop standards they will later adopt and use. Participants can access Alliance Working Groups, are hands-on in developing specifications, and gain early access to draft specifications and testing, with opportunity to develop and get to market faster." |
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Re: Audio Taper
Hi Folks,
human hearing uses logarithmic scale, therefore a logarithmic volume control should be used. The dB scale is logarithmic, therefore does the job well. However, if you want to adjust volume more precisely, you might want to stretch the volume control in the upper range, see the fader on professional mixing consoles like this one: I never thought about this before, will give it? try with the approach from Zac. Best regards Crestronfreak55 |
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Re: What is everyone using for IR with VC4?
#vc4
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýPeople still use IR? (ducks and runs) ? Aside from an EISC or slave (can you slave a 2-series to VC4¡hmm?) an old processor if you have an old fully caffeinated DM-RMC handy (DM-RMC-100, DM-RMC-100-C, DM-RMC-100-S, ....) you can use these for the IO ports even without using DM for video ¨C just connect the Ethernet port to network and make sure you either have it configured to run DHCP or with an appropriate static IP address. ? It¡¯s a little janky but these are the times we¡¯re in and you can use native Crestron IR drivers¡ ? Lincoln ? -- Lincoln King-Cliby, CTS, DMC-E-4K/T/D ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
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Sent: Friday, December 30, 2022 10:03 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [crestron] What is everyone using for IR with VC4? #vc4 ? I have a few projects that I can't get processors for and the only thing holding me back from doing VC4 on them is I need IR. The CEN-IO-IR is back-order as long as the processor is, so what products have y'all had success with for IR? |
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Re: Apple TV 4K, Gen.3 (Latest) video issue
I've seen the issue with AppleTV (and Roku as that goes) not streaming certain content in the past.?
Just had a case a few weeks ago where the Apple TV would have sound but no picture when streaming some Acorn programs -- the picture would appear at the beginning of the steam but very quickly go black.? No DM in this system in this case but there was a Denon receiver and a AVPRO HDMI video balun between the Apple TV and the TV.? My go to fix when this happens is to connect the AppleTV directly to the TV and use either Toslink or ARC to get sound back to the receiver.? The other solution I find that works is replace the balun with a Crestron DM-TX-xxxx and DM-RMC-4KZ-100-C balun system -- it is the only balun system that I have found that works consistently. Probably not a good solution in your case.? But I avoid putting a receiver or active HDMI cable or balun between the source and the TV at all cost -- just have had too many issues with having other devices in the HDMI path. |
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Re: What is everyone using for IR with VC4?
#vc4
I have a VC4 sitting in my office that I've not even hooked up yet. I was planning on using Global Cache IP2IR for this. GC are solid devices - use them a lot. A bit more involved than using Crestron IR drivers though.?
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Re: What is everyone using for IR with VC4?
#vc4
It sounds bad, but several dealers I work with are simply using old 2-series processors for relays and IR ports. Global Cache is another option, but programming and troubleshooting is a LOT simpler with a Crestron device.
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What is everyone using for IR with VC4?
#vc4
I have a few projects that I can't get processors for and the only thing holding me back from doing VC4 on them is I need IR. The CEN-IO-IR is back-order as long as the processor is, so what products have y'all had success with for IR?
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Re: Apple TV 4K, Gen.3 (Latest) video issue
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýHi, ? i had to hook up an old 1.4 projector while waiting for our final showroom device and wasn?t able to play anything with a ATV 4K connected to the system (Trinnov Altitude32 preprocessor, then madVR Envy video processor, then projector). I wasn?t able to get anything to work with the ATV, other than displaying that it?s not allowed due to HDCP issues. ? I tried everything from factory reset, buying a second one for cross-checking, going for fixed low resolution settings, etc. Nothing worked, except adding the HDFury Linker. ? Cheers, Thorsten ? Von: [email protected] <[email protected]> Im Auftrag von Geoffrey Reynolds ? I don't think you're doing anything stupid or ignorant here.? In cases where you get a black screen with subtitles that are visible, the ATV clearly isn't sending 1080P / 4K / HDR to a device that can't handle those formats or you would be getting nothing at all on the screen.? The problem could be that some apps require a certain HDCP level for some content and the older display doesn't meet the requirements - the suggestion of adding an HDFury device into the mix could very likely solve that. ? IIRC, you're located reasonably near me.? I've got several HDFury devices around that I'm not currently using.? If you would like to try one or more of them out to see if they'll solve the problem, let me know.? IIRC, I have an Integral, Linker, Vertex, and Vertex2 - I would need to double check on the Vertex.? I also have a Maestro TX/RX pair, but I can't recommend it as I had lots of problems with it. ? Geoff ? On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 2:46 PM ckangis <chris@...> wrote:
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Re: Sony VPL-VW695ES projector with RS-232 control
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýHi Chris, ? responding to the list since you didn?t reply to me after sending the protocol description to you: Did my email went out to you (or probably being stuck in SPAM?)? ? Cheers, Thorsten ? Von: [email protected] <[email protected]> Im Auftrag von ckangis ? Thorsten, |
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Re: Audio Taper
Actually, my client is a fully fledged audio engineer and electronics engineer who regularly operates similar venues (a stadium in this case).
Bose is handling back of house and function spaces. The lowest tenderer won in every aspect of the AV installation. My client is trying to give the owner what they actually need. Thanks for the init/equ idea - way faster than doing it in S+! -- Cheers Phil |
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Re: Apple TV 4K, Gen.3 (Latest) video issue
I don't think you're doing anything stupid or ignorant here.? In cases where you get a black screen with subtitles that are visible, the ATV clearly isn't sending 1080P / 4K / HDR to a device that can't handle those formats or you would be getting nothing at all on the screen.? The problem could be that some apps require a certain HDCP level for some content and the older display doesn't meet the requirements - the suggestion of adding an HDFury device into the mix could very likely solve that. IIRC, you're located reasonably near me.? I've got several HDFury devices around that I'm not currently using.? If you would like to try one or more of them out to see if they'll solve the problem, let me know.? IIRC, I have an Integral, Linker, Vertex, and Vertex2 - I would need to double check on the Vertex.? I also have a Maestro TX/RX pair, but I can't recommend it as I had lots of problems with it. Geoff On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 2:46 PM ckangis <chris@...> wrote: In my setup(~10y/o), ATV - Older Denon AVR? - Epson Projector.? |
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Re: Apple TV 4K, Gen.3 (Latest) video issue
In my setup(~10y/o), ATV - Older Denon AVR? - Epson Projector.?
If the issues were device wide, i.e. No Video for anything, I'd say that this is my older setup, but since the problems only arise with certain content, I'm primarily blaming Apple/Services... 1. Even when I don't get what I'm expecting (cant watch movie), I still sometimes get a black screen WITH subtitles, which I see as video vs no video 2. If the ATV is set to 720p/SDR, it shouldn't try to deliver a different format. 3. If it is trying to deliver a different/unsupported format, why isn't it a universal issue, instead of an issue only with certain content...This seems to tell me that the issue is the ATV changing (or getting confused) the format based on the content. We're going to try factory defaulting the ATV to see if that resolves things. if these conditions still happen after that, I agree that it is likely an interaction between the ATV and the system. I'll take the blame when I do something stupid or ignorant, but on this I would still put the blame elsewhere... |
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Re: Apple TV 4K, Gen.3 (Latest) video issue
That sounds like a problem with the streaming app rather than the device itself. Geoff On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 1:11 PM MSTC <kol.mstc@...> wrote:
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Re: Apple TV 4K, Gen.3 (Latest) video issue
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI cannot get video on Prime Video ¡°The Peripheral¡±, something went wrong message, but sometimes it is playing and I can get a brief flash on video that blanks but sound still works.? AppleTV 4K, Sony 950H, not sure about the 1M cable.? I ran through settings on ATV from 4K Dolby Vision down to 720P, none of them work.? Weird thing is that is the only show that has that problem, everything else seems to work just fine. ? From: <[email protected]> on behalf of Geoffrey Reynolds <greynlds@...> ? I'm pretty confident that Apple has done a fairly good job of getting this functionality correct, meaning that "should" and "will" are interchangeable in this case.? They would have a lot of unhappy customers using AppleTV 4K models on 1080P or lesser displays if they screwed this up and the device was trying to send 4K or HDR to displays that can't handle it.? Is there anything between the AppleTV and the display in this case that could be messing with things?? The culprit could be an AVR or even Crestron DM gear sending the wrong EDID info back to the AppleTV. ? Geoff ? On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 11:23 AM ckangis <chris@...> wrote:
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Re: Audio Taper
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýThe decibel SPL is basically the change that is detectable by the human ear/brain . . .? In practice there is a whole bunch of volume knob that is too quiet to hear in a real world environment, so we will set the lower limit to maybe -40 and the upper limit anywhere from 0 to maybe +20.? Although the specific numbers will vary per application, the basic idea is that there are maybe only 50 ¨C 60 steps involved in adjusting the volume of a system in increments that are actually detectable by the listener.? Bose ESP maximum is -60 to +12, so 72 [1dB] steps. ? So, the quickest way (process time) to do this is to use ASCALEL to get the desired number of steps while still showing full scale on the slider/gauge, then use EQU to get a digital representing each step and an INIT to send out the level that corresponds to each step.? You can use the formula, in conjunction with the data from Bose about any scaling they may apply internally or in the Crestron module(what?), to figure out what the value for each of the INIT outputs should be.? Really easy, really quick response, and the customer will get what they asked for.? Don¡¯t forget to go to the site and test with SPL meter to ensure that 1dB change on control element is actually 1dB change in SPL. ? That said, the utility of such a thing is negligible in a commercial sound system so the eventual result will be ¡°set it here at such-and-such time¡±, which in a cheaper system would be commonly implemented with tape and or sharpie marks for the staff to rely on.? ? /* does ¡°Demanding Client¡± = ¡°Poser that read a thread using audio taper potentiometers versus linear taper¡±?? Hmmm . . .? You could probably just tell them that is already handled internally in the Bose system (it is Bose, after all)*/ ? From: <[email protected]> on behalf of Phil Moore <phil@...> ? Hi All, |
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Re: Apple TV 4K, Gen.3 (Latest) video issue
I'm pretty confident that Apple has done a fairly good job of getting this functionality correct, meaning that "should" and "will" are interchangeable in this case.? They would have a lot of unhappy customers using AppleTV 4K models on 1080P or lesser displays if they screwed this up and the device was trying to send 4K or HDR to displays that can't handle it.? Is there anything between the AppleTV and the display in this case that could be messing with things?? The culprit could be an AVR or even Crestron DM gear sending the wrong EDID info back to the AppleTV. Geoff On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 11:23 AM ckangis <chris@...> wrote: On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 11:45 AM, Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: |
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Re: Apple TV 4K, Gen.3 (Latest) video issue
On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 11:45 AM, Geoffrey Reynolds wrote:
If the Apple TV is configured for 720P/SDR, it should (will) not try to send higher resolutions and/or HDR.*Should Not* are the operative words... Limbert, That's likely what is going on...But it shouldn't. It's one of my biggest pet peeves with the digital age...for various reasons, things beyond our control don't work right, and we are required to fix them even though we have no way to do it...:( |
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Re: Apple TV 4K, Gen.3 (Latest) video issue
Geof is right, maybe there is something with the content, try to see if there are any differences in the format (4K HDR, HD, FULL HD)? of the content you are trying to reproduce, for example: 4K Movie = OK Full HD Movie = OK 4K HDR = OK 4K Dolby vision?= black screen Limbert On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 12:21 PM ckangis <chris@...> wrote: Thanks guys! |
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