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I think it's completely BS that you have to install an enormous several hundred meg program (that barely works) and another several hundred meg SQL server, and then use a beta add-on "just" to edit colors, graphics, or fonts in Core3. Why hasn't Crestron created either a stand-alone Theme Editor program or incorporated this into VTPro by now?

Anyone who claims that Core3 is production worthy, I would strongly disagree with them based on this alone. It is completely unacceptable to have to use beta software (ie: only on Labs) to make design changes to a production worthy technology. If you can't download a theme editor from their normal software server, then it isn't production worthy... conversely, if you can't change fonts, or colors on Core3 using production software, then Core3 isn't production software either. How long has Core3 been "released" now and the full set of tools that we need are still not in release status?

Sorry for the rant, but I'm getting sick of hearing "just install almost a Gig of bloatware plus some beta software so you can change the font from arial to <new font>". It's frustrating at this point, and nothing has changed in over a year.

-Jason


--- In Crestron@..., Neil Dorin <neildorin@> wrote:

If you have access to labs you can activate the theme editor in Studio and its super easy to add fonts to themes.

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-05-07, at 1:29 PM, Tray Schaeffer <trayschaeffer@> wrote:

"I'm a doctor, not a bricklayer." ... I loves me some StarTrek :)

Tray

From: Chip
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 2:59 PM
To: Crestron@...
Subject: [Crestron] Re: Add Fonts to Core3 Project?

"Dammit Jim, I'm a coder - not a graphic designer!"

If only I could make my company *not* sell Core 3...errr..."SMART OBJECT" panels... I so would.

- Chip

--- In mailto:Crestron%40yahoogroups.com, "blcsnd" <joshjx@> wrote:

But at the moment you can user the fonts provided by the themes or create a graphics for the object with the text and font you need instead.

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Doug,

I thought I had prefaced what I said adequately as to not be a personal
attack. I was stating what Neil and Nathan said - to be "certified" you
should be well versed in ALL aspects of Crestron programming. Just because
you don't do very much commercial is no excuse to not know RoomView. I will
include myself in the same blanket statement as well and I'm not pointing
you out in particular. For the record I do about 90% commercial. But I am
certified and have been for years. If I didn't know how to do a PAD8 or
Sonnex background music system or I didn't know how to program a Crestron
thermostat or some other aspect that is primarily residential, then I
shouldn't be certified either. When someone carries the "certified"
designation it should mean something and IMO (my opinion, not everyone has
to agree), if someone doesn't understand RoomView they shouldn't be
certified. By the same token if someone can't program a DMPS they shouldn't
be certified. If someone can't program a piece that is primarily
residential (insert equipment here), they shouldn't be certified.

There was no attack meant on Doug personally. It was more of a blanket
statement that someone certified should be well versed in ALL aspects of
Crestron programming.

Patrick

--- In Crestron@... <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'Crestron%40yahoogroups.com');>, Nathan Hesson <nhesson@...> wrote:

I agree with Neil completely.

My own opinion is that asking for help on a certification test only

lessens

the validity of the test. I do nearly 100% resi. I've never deployed
RoomView (in any version) in my life. BUT, I know what it does and what
it's useful for. I follow information about the DMPS line of gear even
though I'll probably NEVER see a single part in my line of work. At the

end

of the day, that type of research, knowledge, and understanding makes me

a

more valuable programmer.

Perhaps Patrick's response was not worded well but he isn't wrong. If you
aren't well versed in what Crestron has to offer (in all product lines),
why should you be certified? There's a reason the test has both

residential

and commercial aspects to it. I myself struggled with the commercial side
(largely because I was over thinking it) and I know plenty of commercial
guys that had the same problem with the resi side of the test.

At the end of the day, it's your test. The irony is, if you hadn't said

you

were looking for help on your test, you probably would have gotten some
helpful info without the grief.

My $0.02

-Nathan


On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 7:33 PM, Neil Dorin <neildorin@...> wrote:

Not to add fuel to the fire but on some level I agree with Patrick.
Certification should be hard to obtain and you should have to prove

your

capability in all faculties and applications in our industry.

That being said, it's not practically possible to accomplish that for
virtually anyone. This is not an industry where you can walk in off the
street and get into. You typically have to work for a dealer who is in

a

certain market segment and learn that way. You often only get exposed

to

one market.

When I did my certification exam I had only done one commercial system
that was more like a home theatre than a boardroom. However, I put in

the

hard work and due diligence to understand the commercial aspects and

scope

of the test because I knew that I needed to understand in order to be
certified.

What I would ask is that anyone taking their exam needs to respect the
process those of us already certified went through and only ask

conceptual

questions. We'll be happy to answer.

Ask us how and why roomview is used and what the application for panel

to

help desk messaging might be. Once you can grasp an understanding of

this

it will be easier for you to figure out how to accomplish it on your

own.

I won't spoon feed you the questions because the most important part of
learning is to know how to formulate a question to get the answer you

need.

Don't be afraid to tell us what you already understand and what you are
confused or curious about. If you ask I, and I'm sure others will

gladly

answer.

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-05-12, at 8:06 PM, Geoffrey Reynolds <greynlds@...> wrote:

In the future, if you've got a problem with someone, reply to them

off

the

list, or ask a moderator to step in. The bottom line is that Patrick
simply offered his opinion which he's allowed to do here - IMO he did
nothing wrong (note that that doesn't mean that I share his opinion).
Personal attacks are not allowed here, period. As far as deleting the
thread, you may be able to delete your posts, but only moderators can
delete other people's posts.

Geoff

On Sunday, May 12, 2013, doug4684 wrote:

**


Geoff,

I usually get great responses on this message board and in general
everyone is usually helpful. Patrick was the exception and I was

really

put

off by his comments.

I'm just going to delete this entire thread. Nothing in this message
thread is helpful to the overall community.

Thanks,
Doug

--- In Crestron@... <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',

'Crestron%40yahoogroups.com');> <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',

'Crestron%40yahoogroups.com');>, Geoffrey Reynolds <greynlds@>

wrote:

Personal attacks are not allowed on this forum. Attack the post,

NOT

the

poster.

Patrick - there's no reason to assume that everyone posting here

works

on

commercial projects. There are a lot of residential guys here too.

Geoff (donning his moderator hat)

On Sunday, May 12, 2013, doug4684 wrote:

**


Patrick,

Take what I am about to say in the most helpful manner possible -

you're

an ass and what you wrote was in fact very rude.

I had a long response written explaining that I'm a resi guy and

that

I'm

learning Roomview strictly for the certification exam, blah blah

blah,

but

I decided it wasn't worth my time to reply to your pretentious

response to

my simple question. It's disappointing to know that guys like you

decide to

put down fellow programmers rather than simply not reply or take

the 2

minutes to point someone in the right direction.

Doug

--- In Crestron@... <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',

'Crestron%40yahoogroups.com');>, Phil Bridges <gravityhammer@>

wrote:

Are you saying that people that have only done residential

systems

shouldn't be certified?


On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Pat B <PATB93@> wrote:

**


Doug - please take what I say in the most helpful manner.

Definitely

not

trying to be rude, but trying to make sure that "being

certified"

still

carries weight and has some meaning.

There was one thing you said that really stood out.


"I've never done a roomview system before"

Roomview is a staple of commercial programming. IMO, "never done

roomview"

= shouldn't be able to be certified whether a test is passed or

not.

Go out and do a roomview system. Figure out how it works. If you

had

done

a roomview system the answer to this question would be trivial.

Then

come

back next year and try for the certification.

Thanks,

Patrick


--- In Crestron@... <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',

'Crestron%40yahoogroups.com');>, "doug4684" <doug@> wrote:

Hi everyone,

I'm working on the new certification test and basically one of

If you have access to labs you can activate the theme editor in Studio and its super easy to add fonts to themes.

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-05-07, at 1:29 PM, Tray Schaeffer <trayschaeffer@...> wrote:

"I'm a doctor, not a bricklayer." ... I loves me some StarTrek :)

Tray

From: Chip
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 2:59 PM
To: Crestron@...
Subject: [Crestron] Re: Add Fonts to Core3 Project?

"Dammit Jim, I'm a coder - not a graphic designer!"

If only I could make my company *not* sell Core 3...errr..."SMART OBJECT" panels... I so would.

- Chip

--- In mailto:Crestron%40yahoogroups.com, "blcsnd" <joshjx@> wrote:

But at the moment you can user the fonts provided by the themes or create a graphics for the object with the text and font you need instead.

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Friday I went to a job customer had the Mini running the APP. he used to
have regular Ipad but changed and he type in all the info in the app and
running without any problems. I might say I did love how good it feels the
app in a mini!!! Ill upload a photo later!

--
*Jesus Tossas*
*
*
*Technology Architect, Audio Engineer, Programmer*
*
*
*787-329-3944*
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I was just informed that I job I am going switched from HDX to realpresence and it sounds like I will be running into this same issue. Have you found a solution.

--- In Crestron@..., Neil Dorin <neildorin@> wrote:

Just replied to your big post....

No RS-232 yet. Use IR

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-04-22, at 10:01 AM, "timfauser" <tsfauser@> wrote:

Anyone have a working example of the remote control codes for Polycoms RealPresence Codec?

The controls for home, menu, up, down, and the rest are not working for me. Box keeps spitting back "command not recognized".

Right now I'm just using the HDX Crestron module and it works for everything except the basic remote codes.

The integrator manual talks about third party IR code frequency, # of pulses, and a parity that changes from odd to even depending on the command, but not how to send these commands via 232.

Any help would be great.

Thanks
Tim F

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I found a problem last week with the 7.4 version of the VOIP module as it relates to the speed dial numbers. I found a work-around with Crestron's help and the bug has been passed along for a fix in the 7.5 version when it comes out. If anyone else has found this issue as well please email me offline and I'll tell you how to correct the problem.

Thanks,

Patrick

I agree with Neil completely.

My own opinion is that asking for help on a certification test only lessens
the validity of the test. I do nearly 100% resi. I've never deployed
RoomView (in any version) in my life. BUT, I know what it does and what
it's useful for. I follow information about the DMPS line of gear even
though I'll probably NEVER see a single part in my line of work. At the end
of the day, that type of research, knowledge, and understanding makes me a
more valuable programmer.

Perhaps Patrick's response was not worded well but he isn't wrong. If you
aren't well versed in what Crestron has to offer (in all product lines),
why should you be certified? There's a reason the test has both residential
and commercial aspects to it. I myself struggled with the commercial side
(largely because I was over thinking it) and I know plenty of commercial
guys that had the same problem with the resi side of the test.

At the end of the day, it's your test. The irony is, if you hadn't said you
were looking for help on your test, you probably would have gotten some
helpful info without the grief.

My $0.02

-Nathan


On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 7:33 PM, Neil Dorin <neildorin@...> wrote:

Not to add fuel to the fire but on some level I agree with Patrick.
Certification should be hard to obtain and you should have to prove your
capability in all faculties and applications in our industry.

That being said, it's not practically possible to accomplish that for
virtually anyone. This is not an industry where you can walk in off the
street and get into. You typically have to work for a dealer who is in a
certain market segment and learn that way. You often only get exposed to
one market.

When I did my certification exam I had only done one commercial system
that was more like a home theatre than a boardroom. However, I put in the
hard work and due diligence to understand the commercial aspects and scope
of the test because I knew that I needed to understand in order to be
certified.

What I would ask is that anyone taking their exam needs to respect the
process those of us already certified went through and only ask conceptual
questions. We'll be happy to answer.

Ask us how and why roomview is used and what the application for panel to
help desk messaging might be. Once you can grasp an understanding of this
it will be easier for you to figure out how to accomplish it on your own.

I won't spoon feed you the questions because the most important part of
learning is to know how to formulate a question to get the answer you need.
Don't be afraid to tell us what you already understand and what you are
confused or curious about. If you ask I, and I'm sure others will gladly
answer.

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-05-12, at 8:06 PM, Geoffrey Reynolds <greynlds@...> wrote:

In the future, if you've got a problem with someone, reply to them off

the

list, or ask a moderator to step in. The bottom line is that Patrick
simply offered his opinion which he's allowed to do here - IMO he did
nothing wrong (note that that doesn't mean that I share his opinion).
Personal attacks are not allowed here, period. As far as deleting the
thread, you may be able to delete your posts, but only moderators can
delete other people's posts.

Geoff

On Sunday, May 12, 2013, doug4684 wrote:

**


Geoff,

I usually get great responses on this message board and in general
everyone is usually helpful. Patrick was the exception and I was really

put

off by his comments.

I'm just going to delete this entire thread. Nothing in this message
thread is helpful to the overall community.

Thanks,
Doug

--- In Crestron@... <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'Crestron%40yahoogroups.com');>, Geoffrey Reynolds <greynlds@>

wrote:

Personal attacks are not allowed on this forum. Attack the post, NOT

the

poster.

Patrick - there's no reason to assume that everyone posting here works

on

commercial projects. There are a lot of residential guys here too.

Geoff (donning his moderator hat)

On Sunday, May 12, 2013, doug4684 wrote:

**


Patrick,

Take what I am about to say in the most helpful manner possible -

you're

an ass and what you wrote was in fact very rude.

I had a long response written explaining that I'm a resi guy and that

I'm

learning Roomview strictly for the certification exam, blah blah blah,

but

I decided it wasn't worth my time to reply to your pretentious

response to

my simple question. It's disappointing to know that guys like you

decide to

put down fellow programmers rather than simply not reply or take the 2
minutes to point someone in the right direction.

Doug

--- In Crestron@... <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',

'Crestron%40yahoogroups.com');>, Phil Bridges <gravityhammer@> wrote:

Are you saying that people that have only done residential systems
shouldn't be certified?


On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Pat B <PATB93@> wrote:

**


Doug - please take what I say in the most helpful manner.

Definitely

not

trying to be rude, but trying to make sure that "being certified"

still

carries weight and has some meaning.

There was one thing you said that really stood out.


"I've never done a roomview system before"

Roomview is a staple of commercial programming. IMO, "never done

roomview"

= shouldn't be able to be certified whether a test is passed or

not.

Go out and do a roomview system. Figure out how it works. If you

had

done

a roomview system the answer to this question would be trivial.

Then

come

back next year and try for the certification.

Thanks,

Patrick


--- In Crestron@... <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',

'Crestron%40yahoogroups.com');>, "doug4684" <doug@> wrote:

Hi everyone,

I'm working on the new certification test and basically one of

the

programs you have to be able to message back and forth from a V12
touchpanel to the helpdesk. I'm just wondering if anyone has any

experience

integrating this in a touchpanel. I'm not quite sure where to

start.

I've

never done a roomview system before. Is that functionality built

into

the

roomview software/module.

If someone could point me in the right direction to get started,

it

would be a big help. I need to learn this stuff so I'm not looking

for

a

completed program, just some general help/tips to get started.

Thanks!

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Check out the Files area for useful modules, documents, and drivers.

A contact list of Crestron dealers and programmers can be found in the

Database area.

Yahoo!
Groups Links

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Check out the Files area for useful modules, documents, and drivers.

A contact list of Crestron dealers and programmers can be found in the
Database area.
Yahoo!
Groups Links

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Okay so far I have tried all the options:

1. initialize the processor
2. upload a blank program
3. unplug & replug ethernet and cresnet
4. reload of the program.

The Internal memory of processor is about 2432 KB. My program size for zip
file is 1,016 KB and .spz is about 75 KB.

Total Signal names in my program are just shy of 1K. I don't believe that
my program is too big for it to actually handle and in residential,
programs are way bigger.

I tried the same program on a different AV2 without any hiccup. It has the
same firmware and same memory size.

Any other ideas perhaps?

I am sorry if this thread is getting dragged along too far.



------------------------------------




Check out the Files area for useful modules, documents, and drivers.

A contact list of Crestron dealers and programmers can be found in the
Database area.
Yahoo!
Groups Links

With more than around 250 modules of either Level Control or On-Off Control, we find out some problem in the 'Send Name' logic (not sure if problem was solve with version 7.4). If not too late or too hard, try to replace 7.2 modules in your program by the Biamp AudiaFlex v3 (TA).zip posted in the Files section. They was design to handle up to 2000 controls on the same Biamp processor and have been intensively tested with succes with 1101 controls and RS-232 at 38400/8/1/N.
Just tie together 'Timed_Out' and 'Send_Next', don't use (comment out) 'Name_Timed_out' and 'Get_Next_Name' and pulse Get_next_Name a few second after reboot.
We also used 7.4 version with less than 250 controls without problem.

AD

--- In Crestron@..., "Oliver" <oliver@> wrote:

Subject line says it all. I have to revisit a job tomorrow where we have Biamp controlled serially (7.2 vintage modules). This was a new install last year. After some months of it being in operation, the client is finding that after some days of not using the system, when they next try to use it, all control of Biamp has quit and they've taken to rebooting the Crestron processor (Rack2) and this gets it back.

I'm looking at the program now and I see that it's connected to a C2-COM3 card in the rack 2. Isn't there some lingering lockup problem using this card? Could this be a symptom? Turns out I do have a spare Slot4 ports unused, so I could easily switch.

Thanks in advance for any advice

OP

Okay so far I have tried all the options:

1. initialize the processor
2. upload a blank program
3. unplug & replug ethernet and cresnet
4. reload of the program.

The Internal memory of processor is about 2432 KB. My program size for zip file is 1,016 KB and .spz is about 75 KB.

Total Signal names in my program are just shy of 1K. I don't believe that my program is too big for it to actually handle and in residential, programs are way bigger.

I tried the same program on a different AV2 without any hiccup. It has the same firmware and same memory size.

Any other ideas perhaps?

I am sorry if this thread is getting dragged along too far.