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Re: Cisco Touch 10 Layout
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýFor basic room control I highly endorse the use-the-Touch 10-as-the-UI approach (I have several clients with large deployments in this vein including one where we¡¯ve done a couple hundred rooms in a handful of countries and a few local languages) ¨C not only does it work well and you don¡¯t have to worry about the most complicated part of the UI or keeping up with UI refreshes and improvements but it takes a lot of the UX workload away because Cisco locks you into a relatively rigid framework, so even if you want to reinvent the wheel you can¡¯t really. ? ? For wackier rooms the line is less clear because of that same lack of flexibility (e.g. divisible rooms with multiple codecs, lots of analog controls) and depending on room use cases (is this a room that¡¯s 95% VTC or 5% VTC, for example?) other approaches ?start to make sense, e.g. for a primarily VTC room it may be best to use the Touch 10/Navigator as the primary end user UI but have a real Crestron panel somewhere for more tech/room setup tasks. I¡¯m finding it more and more rarely makes sense to reinvent the VTC UX (Though having said that I do have a project we¡¯re replacing Zoom with WebEx in a dozen or so rooms being build where VTC is less than 1% of the functionality and we¡¯re working with the client on what makes the most sense for the UX. In that case, though, auto join or OBTP and end call are probably the limits of the normal VTC control. ? -- Lincoln King-Cliby, CTS, DMC-E-4K/T/D ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Andrew Linck
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2022 8:32 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [crestron] Cisco Touch 10 Layout ? Before you go spending a lot of time trying to develop a UI that would resemble the layout of a Cisco Touch 10, why not think about using the Cisco Touch 10 as the UI?? |
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Re: Cisco Touch 10 Layout
Before you go spending a lot of time trying to develop a UI that would resemble the layout of a Cisco Touch 10, why not think about using the Cisco Touch 10 as the UI??
My personal experience has been split across two paths: (1) develop a UI (on Crestron) that looks like a Cisco UI... until the Cisco UI changes; or (2) develop In-Room Controls (or whatever Cisco wants to name / brand the 'customized controls' feature available) on a Navigator / Touch 10. With Option (1) you can create very Crestron-customized user interfaces?however you need to be aware that any mimic of a Cisco UI needs managed that it may become out of sync with any Cisco firmware update (and can become a weird conversation between 'user experience' centric audience and 'network security' centric audience). With Option (2) you get no issues with updating Cisco firmware (when the next feature or bugfix is implemented for that system) with the small tradeoff that all user controls now need to fit within the In-Room Control design boundaries.? FWIW I am a huge fan of option 2 and always lead with that if given the chance.? |
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Re: Cisco Touch 10 Layout
Having been through a nightmare of a situation where a client demanded this (or perhaps our sales team sold the concept and painted us into a corner - that seems just as likely) and was then locked into quickly-outdated Cisco software unless they wanted to pay to redevelop the UI with every successive Cisco update, I thought I'd pose the question: with the ease of use and integration of Cisco Touch 10 / Navigator UI extensions with third-party control systems for elements outside Cisco's normal scope of control, is there a reason to develop and deploy a Crestron user interface that emulates Cisco? You may wish to consider letting Cisco drive the bus and having Crestron do what it does best and present the Cisco Touch 10 or Navigator panel as the primary user interface if this is a UC environment that centers around Cisco. These sorts of deployments have been much more successful for us and for our clients long-term than trying to emulate Cisco. Crestron emulations of Cisco do not tend to shine for very long, unless you have a client who is intent on spending their money on Crestron UI updates to keep up with Cisco's pace of development. That's my $.02, anyway.
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Re: Alternative to NAX-8ZSA?
#crestron
+1? I'm also curious what others are doing.? I haven't found any matrix that will work with Crestron Home and writing a custom driver is no small task, unfortunately.? The NAD?CI 980 has a Simpl driver, but is incomplete (no volume control- not sure how one misses that).? They also published the protocol and it doesn't look hard to implement a custom driver.? Again, something that has a driver for CH would be nice.?
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DSP1283 Avia connection problem
Hi All,
I have an old -2019- DSP1283 and having problem with Avia connection. All networking seems fine, there are other Crestron devices in the same subnet. Via Tools or console connection is without problem. The error code is 1803. Any experience? All possible firewall and defender are off btw. |
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Re: Where do you like to have your UI control logic?? SMW or VTP
#poll-notice
Entirely SMW over VTP but with SMW/CH5 then it can be as much as 90% CH5
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Re: OT: What Software/Apps do you use for Tasks manager and Calander?
Lincoln King-ClibyVery easy.? I look at the other device and write it down.? Cancelled? -- just cross it off. |
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Re: OT: What Software/Apps do you use for Tasks manager and Calander?
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýBut how well does it sync with your other devices? ? How do you know if a meeting invite has been accepted or declined? ? Sent from for Windows ? From: Steve Kuehn
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2022 6:21 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [crestron] OT: What Software/Apps do you use for Tasks manager and Calander? ? AT-A-GLANCE #70-035 pocket calendar.? Works without electricity, in bright sun like, never crashes, and never have to worry about it not being compatible with something else.? Paper backup that you can look at years later without having to worry about
not being supported by the current OS.? The only requirement is a pencil or pen.
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Re: OT: What Software/Apps do you use for Tasks manager and Calander?
AT-A-GLANCE #70-035 pocket calendar.? Works without electricity, in bright sun like, never crashes, and never have to worry about it not being compatible with something else.? Paper backup that you can look at years later without having to worry about not being supported by the current OS.? The only requirement is a pencil or pen.
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Re: OT: What Software/Apps do you use for Tasks manager and Calander?
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýOutlook and Outlook ? With the occasional Notepad document for very short term checklists ? From: ckangis
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2022 4:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [crestron] OT: What Software/Apps do you use for Tasks manager and Calander? ? Hi All,
The subject says it. I'm looking for suggestions for what people are liking? TIA! |
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Where do you like to have your UI control logic?? SMW or VTP
#poll-notice
I'm interested in where others like to put their UI control logic - SimplWindows or VTpro
Things like Page Flips, visibility, Feedback status, etc. TIA for your input!!! |
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Re: Duplicating zone question
Good morning.
There are several things to consider that will determine a successful / enjoyable outcome here: 1. Do the two types of loudspeakers have the same impedance rating? If so, each will receive an equal share of the power applied. 2. Is the "sensitivity" rating of the loudspeakers the same (ie: 90db/SPL 1 watt @ 1 meter)? if different, the more sensitive loudspeaker will produce the louder sound level. 3. Will you ALWAYS want the same loudness relationship between the two types of loudspeakers? 4, Some "speaker splitter boxes" provide individual level adjustment and impedance compensation. That might be a benefit to you here. 5. The BEST path would be to use individual outputs on the AAE. Yes, some programming might be required; that might be beneficial (IT DEPENDS). |
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Re: Alternative to NAX-8ZSA?
#crestron
I work for a few dealers that are using amps from AudioControl and Autonomic, which seem to be readily available.
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However, I only work with custom-programmed systems, and don't know if there's a Crestron Home driver available for those amps. --- On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 11:02 AM, David Chramcow wrote: |
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Alternative to NAX-8ZSA?
#crestron
Hello,
Given that the waiting time for the DM-NAX-8ZSA to ship from Crestron is around ~8 months, what would be a reasonable alternative to that solution from a 3rd party for a Crestron Home install? |
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Re: Multiple projects on TSW panel
#tsw
On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 07:57 AM, @johnmax wrote:
Ive used it with multiple processors in a redundancy scenario.?That's a good one. Thanks. |
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Re: Multiple projects on TSW panel
#tsw
On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 11:05 AM, <zac.sparrow@...> wrote:
I have a slight off topic but somewhat related question for you all:Ive used it with multiple processors in a redundancy scenario.? |
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Re: Timer module
#programming
Correct, If that limitation would be an issue then that's where you'd have to separate them out into numerous analogs which is still quite trivial.
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Crestron Service Provider - TBD Enterprises Inc.
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Troy Garner