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Re: Alternative to high-end automation

 

A solution that pretty much only works with smartphones or iOS/Android tablets for the user interface isn't a good solution, IMHO.? Dedicated remotes with buttons are needed in many cases.? Will Home Assistant be around in 2, 5, 10 years or disappear like Girder (I realize it wasn't free or open source, but it did support the DIY market) did?? My guess is that Crestron will be around for years.? It's a real dilemma though as the best solutions, like Crestron, don't support the DIY enthusiast market and the DIY enthusiast options (like Home Assistant) have too many compromises.? I get the whole thing about Crestron not wanting their brand name slighted by a sloppy DIY install or their dealers to lose programming business, but the only thing preventing Crestron from being a great solution for the DIY market is unlocking access to the software with the caveat that people are on their own to figure out how to get a system working.? I'm surprised that no really good DIY option has ever really materialized / survived - the Philips Pronto was probably the closest to a really good option, but left the market years ago.

Geoff

On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 10:37 AM Vincen PUJOL via <vincegre=[email protected]> wrote:
Have a look at Home Assistant, I have programmed and setup bunch of AMX systems and more recentrly Crestron ones but now I'm over with these oldies that suffer too much of their history ! I have switched at Home Assistant (everything so much easier, intuitive and adapted at modern needs both in terms of control and UI not even speaking of hardware that is just so generic :-) and even have some system with a Crestron processor just for the DM and a simple program in it to communicate with a basic protocol in IP with Home Assistant to receive commands and sends back feedback !

Re: Alternative to high-end automation

 

Being a dinosaur I still use an ML-600 for my main TV room.? It is just so frigging reliable I've never found the headaches with Crestron's newer remotes worth the effort to migrate to a new remote.? After all these years my original remote is starting to have issues but I have a few spares I purchased on eBay put aside just in case.? Especially for an older person on a budget an ML-600 could be a reliable, cheap, solution that they would feel very comfortable operating.

Hope this helps

Jay

On 4/13/2022 9:24 AM, Tony Golden wrote:
An HR-310 or HR-150 would be a lot easier to use than a TSR-310, especially for older users. It would also be lower cost.


--- Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 11:15 AM, Brad Wykoff wrote:

Thanks all for the quick responses. This is for older folks that would require
a handheld remote over an ipad or any other flat surface interface. May just
need to have them bite the bullet for a RMC4 and TSR-310.
Re: Big Ass Fan integration

 

Thanks Tony.

I don't see a reason that the Hubitat-Crestron code I've written shouldn't work with a Big Ass Fan as long as there is a properly written Hubitat driver for the Big Ass Fan.? I use the driver in my own home with a variety of wall mounted, ceiling fan controllers.? There could be some tweaking of my code needed to make it work but that shouldn't be too hard for me as long as I can work with someone that has a Hubitat and a big ass fan.? There just could be something unique about the json that gets passed back and forth and I would have to tweak my parsing.

The Crestron-Hubitat driver currently supports on/off, auto, and up to 5 speeds for a ceiling fan.

Hope this helps

Jay

On 4/13/2022 8:31 AM, Tony Golden wrote:
I haven't read the entire Hubitat thread, but if the fans can be controlled by Hubitat, Jay Basen's Hubitat modules could probably be used to control them from Crestron.


--- On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 7:28 AM, Jason Melvin wrote:

Oh no, that's a bit of a disaster. The end of that thread on the hubitat forum
indicates the change to the BAF app did change the integration. I'm not finding
much about how they are controlled now.


On Tue, Apr 12, 2022 at 4:41 PM bi0drain <naplesisnotmyhome@...> wrote:



Try sniffing the ios udp, i am curious what you will see


On Tue, Apr 12, 2022 at 3:58 PM Doug Greenhalgh <Doug1369@...> wrote:

So i have a Haiku fan and am trying the 2.1 module in the database, not seeing
anything coming in on the RX line of the UDP/IP connection with 31415 as the
port. this fan is using the BAF app and the fan is on firmware 3.0 according to
the app. commands going to the module seem fine,
ie: <20:f8:5e:63:8c:5c;LIGHT;AUTO;GET> i have checked the mac address in the
BAF app, it is correct, thinking maybe they did break something, if anyone has
any ideas please let me know. I also seen reference to trying a TCP/IP symbol,
i did that and get a 5 on the status which is connection broken remotely if
that sheds any light. also on the module i have tried just putting a 1 on the
enable line and also just driving it high after the program has booted
correctly, didnt seem to matter.
Re: Alternative to high-end automation

 

An HR-310 or HR-150 would be a lot easier to use than a TSR-310, especially for older users. It would also be lower cost.

--- Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 11:15 AM, Brad Wykoff wrote:

Thanks all for the quick responses. This is for older folks that would require
a handheld remote over an ipad or any other flat surface interface. May just
need to have them bite the bullet for a RMC4 and TSR-310.
Re: Alternative to high-end automation

 

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If a touchscreen is not required, you could go for the HR-310 which is much cheaper.

And i?d also go for a used RMC3 as it was already suggested by somebody else.

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Cheers,

Thorsten

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Von: [email protected] <[email protected]> Im Auftrag von Brad Wykoff via groups.io
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. April 2022 17:15
An: [email protected]
Betreff: Re: [crestron] Alternative to high-end automation

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Thanks all for the quick responses. This is for older folks that would require a handheld remote over an ipad or any other flat surface interface. May just need to have them bite the bullet for a RMC4 and TSR-310.

Re: Alternative to high-end automation

 

Thanks all for the quick responses. This is for older folks that would require a handheld remote over an ipad or any other flat surface interface. May just need to have them bite the bullet for a RMC4 and TSR-310.
Re: Alternative to high-end automation

 

Have a look at Home Assistant, I have programmed and setup bunch of AMX systems and more recentrly Crestron ones but now I'm over with these oldies that suffer too much of their history ! I have switched at Home Assistant (everything so much easier, intuitive and adapted at modern needs both in terms of control and UI not even speaking of hardware that is just so generic :-) and even have some system with a Crestron processor just for the DM and a simple program in it to communicate with a basic protocol in IP with Home Assistant to receive commands and sends back feedback !
Re: Big Ass Fan integration

 

I haven't read the entire Hubitat thread, but if the fans can be controlled by Hubitat, Jay Basen's Hubitat modules could probably be used to control them from Crestron.

--- On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 7:28 AM, Jason Melvin wrote:

Oh no, that's a bit of a disaster. The end of that thread on the hubitat forum
indicates the change to the BAF app did change the integration. I'm not finding
much about how they are controlled now.


On Tue, Apr 12, 2022 at 4:41 PM bi0drain <naplesisnotmyhome@...> wrote:



Try sniffing the ios udp, i am curious what you will see


On Tue, Apr 12, 2022 at 3:58 PM Doug Greenhalgh <Doug1369@...> wrote:

So i have a Haiku fan and am trying the 2.1 module in the database, not seeing
anything coming in on the RX line of the UDP/IP connection with 31415 as the
port. this fan is using the BAF app and the fan is on firmware 3.0 according to
the app. commands going to the module seem fine,
ie: <20:f8:5e:63:8c:5c;LIGHT;AUTO;GET> i have checked the mac address in the
BAF app, it is correct, thinking maybe they did break something, if anyone has
any ideas please let me know. I also seen reference to trying a TCP/IP symbol,
i did that and get a 5 on the status which is connection broken remotely if
that sheds any light. also on the module i have tried just putting a 1 on the
enable line and also just driving it high after the program has booted
correctly, didnt seem to matter.
Re: Alternative to high-end automation

 

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I?m both a Crestron and Control4 and don?t find the Control4 significantly cheaper compared to Crestron.

Programming of C4 is much simpler than SIMPL, it?s more configuring than programming and the GUI is fixed ¨C comparable to Crestron Home.

There?s a limited version of the C4 programming environment that can be sold to the client for a small fee. You can do 95% of what the dealer version can do. For instance, new drivers for new equipment can only be added by the dealer version. The rest is more of less the same.

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Cheers,

Thorsten

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Von: [email protected] <[email protected]> Im Auftrag von Brad Wykoff via groups.io
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. April 2022 16:05
An: [email protected]
Betreff: Re: [crestron] Alternative to high-end automation

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So far, I am finding that it is requiring a dealer. I have programmed about every system out there but don't have access to software anymore. I have looked into Control4 and URC Total Control but requires dealer to program.

Re: Alternative to high-end automation

 

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AFAIK any control system that can do IP and serial communications is going to be sold by a dealer. A used 3-series processor and an HR-150 would be a more budget friendly solution.?

Ryan Cunningham?

On Apr 13, 2022, at 7:07 AM, Brad Wykoff via groups.io <bradwykoff@...> wrote:

?So far, I am finding that it is requiring a dealer. I have programmed about every system out there but don't have access to software anymore. I have looked into Control4 and URC Total Control but requires dealer to program.

Re: Alternative to high-end automation

 

So far, I am finding that it is requiring a dealer. I have programmed about every system out there but don't have access to software anymore. I have looked into Control4 and URC Total Control but requires dealer to program.
Re: Alternative to high-end automation

 

Control4 - it does require dealer software but for a quick home theater it¡¯s pretty inexpensive.

On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 8:58 AM Brad Wykoff via <bradwykoff=[email protected]> wrote:
To begin, I have a Crestron System in my house, but I have a friend that I am installing a small theater, but he can't afford Crestron. Any suggestions for an alternative to Crestron due to budget, but needs the capability of either RF or WiFi handheld remote with IP or serial controlled devices.

Re: Calling a C# method from Simpl+

 

Thanks for all the suggestions.
Alternative to high-end automation

 

To begin, I have a Crestron System in my house, but I have a friend that I am installing a small theater, but he can't afford Crestron. Any suggestions for an alternative to Crestron due to budget, but needs the capability of either RF or WiFi handheld remote with IP or serial controlled devices.
Re: <rant> Setting IP addresses on Processors and TouchPanels

 

On Tue, Apr 12, 2022 at 01:33 PM, Daniel Portugal wrote:
what's the hydrogenenable ?
Its for XIO Cloud. Seems to generate unneeded errors so if youre not using it turn it off (HYDROGENENABLE OFF)
Re: Big Ass Fan integration

 

Here is some more info about BAF changing the Haiku fans to the i6 protocol:



mentioning, at least for now, .

also - , which might allow reverse engineering.

?(found from a link )

On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 7:28 AM Jason Melvin via <jwmelvin=[email protected]> wrote:
Oh no, that's a bit of a disaster. The end of that thread on the hubitat?forum indicates the change to the BAF?app did change the integration. I'm not finding much about how they are controlled now.

On Tue, Apr 12, 2022 at 4:41 PM bi0drain <naplesisnotmyhome@...> wrote:

Try sniffing the ios udp, i am curious what you will see


On Tue, Apr 12, 2022 at 3:58 PM Doug Greenhalgh <Doug1369@...> wrote:
So i have a Haiku fan and am trying the 2.1 module in the database, not seeing anything coming in on the RX line of the UDP/IP? connection with 31415 as the port. this fan is using the BAF app and the fan is on firmware 3.0 according to the app. commands going to the module seem fine, ie:?<20:f8:5e:63:8c:5c;LIGHT;AUTO;GET>? ? i have checked the mac address in the BAF app, it is correct, thinking maybe they did break something, if anyone has any ideas please let me know. I also seen reference to trying a TCP/IP symbol, i did that and get a 5 on the status which is connection broken remotely if that sheds any light. also on the module i have tried just putting a 1 on the enable line and also just driving it high after the program has booted correctly, didnt seem to matter.

Re: Big Ass Fan integration

 

Oh no, that's a bit of a disaster. The end of that thread on the hubitat?forum indicates the change to the BAF?app did change the integration. I'm not finding much about how they are controlled now.

On Tue, Apr 12, 2022 at 4:41 PM bi0drain <naplesisnotmyhome@...> wrote:

Try sniffing the ios udp, i am curious what you will see


On Tue, Apr 12, 2022 at 3:58 PM Doug Greenhalgh <Doug1369@...> wrote:
So i have a Haiku fan and am trying the 2.1 module in the database, not seeing anything coming in on the RX line of the UDP/IP? connection with 31415 as the port. this fan is using the BAF app and the fan is on firmware 3.0 according to the app. commands going to the module seem fine, ie:?<20:f8:5e:63:8c:5c;LIGHT;AUTO;GET>? ? i have checked the mac address in the BAF app, it is correct, thinking maybe they did break something, if anyone has any ideas please let me know. I also seen reference to trying a TCP/IP symbol, i did that and get a 5 on the status which is connection broken remotely if that sheds any light. also on the module i have tried just putting a 1 on the enable line and also just driving it high after the program has booted correctly, didnt seem to matter.

Multiple projects on TSW panel #tsw

 

Hi All,

client wants to be able to switch between several interfaces. Not themes, completly different GUIs with different logic.
I think it's not good idea to have all these GUIs in one VTPro project as the progect will become very heavy.
In theory I could add in to the program several touchpanels with own logic and in the touchpanel add several IPIDs. Then I will need to load?desired project.
Does anybody know how to load specific project to TSW using console? I would like to avoid using Toolbox scripts...

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Topics in Home Automation - New Article in Residential Tech Today

 

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My latest article, "Shelly TRV is Smart Home Technology for Homes Heated with Radiators¡± is being published by the good folks at Residential Tech Today Magazine on their web site.

Radiators have been used to heat homes for over 100 years and even today are used in new home construction.?However, it has been challenging, if not impossible, to integrate their operation into a smart home.?The new Shelly TRV is changing that.?This article looks at the features and functionality of the Shelly TRV.?In addition, for Crestron programmers, I have updated the Crestron-Shelly driver suite I've written to support the Shelly TRV.?There is a link to my GitHub included in the article.

You can find the article here:?

For those interested in earlier articles that I've written, you can find those here:

Finally, for those that want to see even more content I've written about smart home technology you can find that here:

Thanks?
Re: Mag250/254

 

I see a file for a Mag254 in file section. Does anyone know if this works for the MAG250 as well? ( I downloaded it to try but we won't be loading for weeks)

Thank you
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