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Re: Interlogix alternative

 

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We switched to the DSC Power Series Pro Panels. ?Work great, actually nicer than the GE

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On Dec 19, 2019, at 7:08 AM, johnh@... wrote:

I never found HAI to be unreliable at all. Those things are solid and we will miss them. But like you we are in the same boat need need something more custom than Honeywell. Our company owner was holding on to hope that there would be something on the Bosch-Crestron front but it appears they have stopped development so looks like we only have a few options.?


Re: Interlogix alternative

 

I never found HAI to be unreliable at all. Those things are solid and we will miss them. But like you we are in the same boat need need something more custom than Honeywell. Our company owner was holding on to hope that there would be something on the Bosch-Crestron front but it appears they have stopped development so looks like we only have a few options.?


Re: Crestron Certified Drivers - Fire TV 4K CEC - no control

 

I wasn't talking about the 4K stick, I was talking about original Fire TV 4K.? The Roku Ultra blows it out of the water.


Re: Controlled Kettle

 

If you think this is bad...a client once asked me to tie his Toto Washlet into his system so he could flush the toilet with the ML-600 he had in his bathroom.? I calmly explained to him that it made no sense to have to go find the ML-600 when he could just use the wireless toilet remote that was mounted on the wall about 12" away from? him...or when he could just flush it manually when he stood up.? Then I jokingly told him that, if he insisted I integrate the toilet, that I was going to make the toilet flush once every year on my birthday.? He laughed and just said "Ok, I get your point".


Re: Controlled Kettle

 

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I have long said that the movie is a documentary, not a dystopian vision of the future...

On 19 Dec 2019, at 13:17, Lincoln King-Cliby <lincoln@...> wrote:

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I¡¯m afraid we may have passed that point already¡­ there is hope for turning the shift¡­

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To the original question (and what may have been overlooked in some of the replies) there¡¯s a fine line between interfacing with something that¡¯s built to be integrated and bodging integration, especially when you¡¯re talking about something that¡¯s not fail safe or intended for life safety applications.

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If there was a kettle designed to be integrated (I¡¯m not aware of one, but I also don¡¯t drink any warm/hot beverages as a matter of course) it would almost assuredly have a fail-safe design to account for possible failure modes and, also, likely, would be capable of operating on a stand-alone basis ¨C the appliances that play nice with Alexa/Google and are sold via normal retail channels have to fall into this category or the relevant consumer safety organizations would end that now.

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On the other hand, bodging your own integration with a series of valves, relays, etc. for a generic kettle has so many ways to go horribly wrong (relays get stuck open/closed, valve doesn¡¯t open or doesn¡¯t close, etc.) which potentially has a much greater liability exposure.

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This is in the same vein of integrating a thermostat (be it one of Crestron¡¯s, Aprilaire, Honeywell, or any of the other integratable stats) versus just reinventing the stat with a temperature sensor and Crestron programming. If done properly it should ¡°always¡± work but when it doesn¡¯t and the pipes freeze or you run the heater until the indoor temperature is 110 ¡­ it¡¯s not going to be pretty.

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Lincoln

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Lincoln King-Cliby, CTS, DMC-E-4K/T/D
Commercial Market Director
Sr. Systems Architect | Crestron Certified Master Programmer (Platinum)
ControlWorks Consulting, LLC |
D: (+1)440.771.4807 | O: (+1)440.449.1100? | F: (+1)440.449.1106
Crestron Services Provider | Biamp Authorized Independent Programmers | Extron Qualified Independent Programmer

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of ElectricDogs
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 6:09 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [crestron] Controlled Kettle

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We are fast becoming the species depicted in Idiocracy.



On 19 Dec 2019, at 09:11, Bambam_101 <wiredhometechnologies@...> wrote:

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We are rapidly becoming the human species depicted in the movie Wall-E.? Lol

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Re: Crestron Certified Drivers - Fire TV 4K CEC - no control

 

FireTV's do have a few glitches that require reboot from time to time (not related to controlling them).? I have several FireTV 4K's, and I don't notice too big of a speed problem with them.? The Fire Stick is definately slower than the standard FireTV box, are you referring to the stick when doing a comparison, or is Roku that much smoother (even compared to the normal FireTV box)?? Having not used a Roku before, I've not compared them.? It's a shame that Amazon dropped the ADB support, I did not hear about this (that sucks!).

The reason I think the FireTV still has an edge is that you can sideload android .apk's to them still, so they are widely popular for cheap Kodi boxes.? My only problem is they are a bit short on memory.? 8GB doesn't go far when you start installing a bunch of apps or have Kodi installed.? Roku's are very popular, but not very open or flexible to other things with them.? Unless they've changed, they were way more locked down that the alternatives (other than Apple) and so were not popular in the "alternative use" market.? FireTV's problem is they were great when they were released several years ago, but the spec's haven't kept pace.? The newer versions are dopping ethernet ports, and they are trying to add Alexa in instead of making a version with a faster processor or more memory.? I want something similar to the FireTV 4K, but faster, double the memory, and keep the built-in ethernet connector.? They can keep Alexa out of it for all I care, that is not what I want in a streaming box.? I also prefer an actual box that can sit on a shelf or near network connectors, and my AV receiver, and not "hang off the back of the TV from the HDMI connector (waiting to fall out).

I would probably try out an NVidia shield as my next box, just for the openness of it, and I hear they are pretty fast running.? I would hope they have more than 8GB of memory too, and they still allow .apk sideloads.
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Control Systems Designer

Mussetter Programming Services
www.mpsav.com


Re: Controlled Kettle

 

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I¡¯m afraid we may have passed that point already¡­ there is hope for turning the shift¡­

?

To the original question (and what may have been overlooked in some of the replies) there¡¯s a fine line between interfacing with something that¡¯s built to be integrated and bodging integration, especially when you¡¯re talking about something that¡¯s not fail safe or intended for life safety applications.

?

If there was a kettle designed to be integrated (I¡¯m not aware of one, but I also don¡¯t drink any warm/hot beverages as a matter of course) it would almost assuredly have a fail-safe design to account for possible failure modes and, also, likely, would be capable of operating on a stand-alone basis ¨C the appliances that play nice with Alexa/Google and are sold via normal retail channels have to fall into this category or the relevant consumer safety organizations would end that now.

?

On the other hand, bodging your own integration with a series of valves, relays, etc. for a generic kettle has so many ways to go horribly wrong (relays get stuck open/closed, valve doesn¡¯t open or doesn¡¯t close, etc.) which potentially has a much greater liability exposure.

?

This is in the same vein of integrating a thermostat (be it one of Crestron¡¯s, Aprilaire, Honeywell, or any of the other integratable stats) versus just reinventing the stat with a temperature sensor and Crestron programming. If done properly it should ¡°always¡± work but when it doesn¡¯t and the pipes freeze or you run the heater until the indoor temperature is 110 ¡­ it¡¯s not going to be pretty.

?

Lincoln

?

--

Lincoln King-Cliby, CTS, DMC-E-4K/T/D
Commercial Market Director
Sr. Systems Architect | Crestron Certified Master Programmer (Platinum)
ControlWorks Consulting, LLC |
D: (+1)440.771.4807 | O: (+1)440.449.1100? | F: (+1)440.449.1106
Crestron Services Provider | Biamp Authorized Independent Programmers | Extron Qualified Independent Programmer

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of ElectricDogs
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 6:09 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [crestron] Controlled Kettle

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We are fast becoming the species depicted in Idiocracy.



On 19 Dec 2019, at 09:11, Bambam_101 <wiredhometechnologies@...> wrote:

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We are rapidly becoming the human species depicted in the movie Wall-E.? Lol

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Re: Controlled Kettle

 

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We are fast becoming the species depicted in Idiocracy.

On 19 Dec 2019, at 09:11, Bambam_101 <wiredhometechnologies@...> wrote:

We are rapidly becoming the human species depicted in the movie Wall-E.? Lol


Re: Controlled Kettle

 

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Looks as if we have opened a Pandora¡¯s box just in time to find a Kittle! with no control...
With Crestron we can control most anything we can think of.?
Even if it¡¯s not practical Although it¡¯s great to know we can.?

Randy Hanner

On Dec 18, 2019, at 4:25 PM, Crestron_Programmer <s.marszalek11@...> wrote:

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This would be a perfect example of automation gone too far....
Yet you can preheat your oven, start/stop your washing and drying machines with an Alexa skill.?


Re: Controlled Kettle

 

This would be a perfect example of automation gone too far....
Yet you can preheat your oven, start/stop your washing and drying machines with an Alexa skill.?


Re: Controlled Kettle

 

We are rapidly becoming the human species depicted in the movie Wall-E.? Lol


Re: Controlled Kettle

 

Today¡¯s electric kettles include boil dry protection.?

To trigger the push button that is part of most electric kettles you can probably use a SwitchBot with their hub and my IFTTT module. Of course that will cost you more than the price of the kettle ?

But automation is cheap at any price

Jay

On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 10:22 AM Neil Dorin <neildorin@...> wrote:
Gonna build in some mechanism to ensure there¡¯s actually water in the kettle? Or just let it burn the house down...


On Dec 18, 2019, at 10:07 AM, ace plagata via Groups.Io <ace_plagata=[email protected]> wrote:

? Rewire it. Bypass the button, Add it in a relay.?
Program with timer. Just 8mins the relay will open.

Did i answer your question?

Regards,

Ace Plagata


On Wednesday, December 18, 2019, 7:07 PM, Neil Dorin <neildorin@...> wrote:

This would be a perfect example of automation gone too far....


On Dec 18, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Crestron_Programmer <s.marszalek11@...> wrote:

?Does anyone know of a kettle that can be controlled via Crestron?


Re: Controlled Kettle

 

And I thought Starbucks coffee was expensive!


Re: Interlogix alternative

 

+1 for Elk

On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 9:34 AM Neil Dorin <neildorin@...> wrote:
I'm not up to speed on what modules are available for resi these days, but back in my resi days, I was a huge proponent of the ELK M1 Gold panels.? They had a fantastic API that worked via serial or TCP/IP and the alarm panel itself?could be programmed via a PC, so not more hours standing in front of a keypad with a massive manual in hand....

On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 8:45 AM Lincoln King-Cliby <lincoln@...> wrote:

Nevermind¡­ I found the news of Interlogix exiting the alarm business. That is disappointing.

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Lincoln King-Cliby, CTS, DMC-E-4K/T/D
Commercial Market Director
Sr. Systems Architect | Crestron Certified Master Programmer (Platinum)
ControlWorks Consulting, LLC |
D: (+1)440.771.4807 | O: (+1)440.449.1100? | F: (+1)440.449.1106
Crestron Services Provider | Biamp Authorized Independent Programmers | Extron Qualified Independent Programmer

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lincoln King-Cliby
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 10:40 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [crestron] Interlogix alternative

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I don¡¯t do resi but I¡¯m curious what you mean by ¡°no longer an option¡±?

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Though it¡¯s not GE anymore (it¡¯s been part of United Technologies for a few years) everything I¡¯m seeing shows the NetworkX series including the NX- panels and NX-587E ?virtual keypad as still available:

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(I¡¯ve had an NX-8v2 in my house with the 587E for Crestron for longer than I can remember and have been very satisfied with the results)

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Lincoln

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Lincoln King-Cliby, CTS, DMC-E-4K/T/D
Commercial Market Director
Sr. Systems Architect | Crestron Certified Master Programmer (Platinum)
ControlWorks Consulting, LLC |
D: (+1)440.771.4807 | O: (+1)440.449.1100? | F: (+1)440.449.1106
Crestron Services Provider | Biamp Authorized Independent Programmers | Extron Qualified Independent Programmer

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of plareeeiybusse
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 10:07 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [crestron] Interlogix alternative

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For those of you that do Residential, what are your go to security systems now that GE Interlogix is no longer an option?? Our company is partnered with a security company and we work closely with each other.? We have been looking into DSC as an option, but I'm told that the old Powerseries stuff is not the best option and their new Neo series is better but it only support IP control.? I've seen that Control 4 has an integration partnership with DSC and I think if Crestron wants to have any chance at being competitive with their new Home OS3 (or traditional SIMPL programming).? But if there's another option, I'd love to hear it.? I'll mention, we don't work with HAI any more lol, they were so unreliable.


Re: Controlled Kettle

 

Also does anyone have a module to remote control one of those Elon Musk Boring company "Not a Flamethrower"?

I'd like to automate it to fire whenever the engineering team sends out a 100%CD drawing package with "TBD" items in it.

Thanks!
--Kyle Goyer


Re: Controlled Kettle

 

Just let it burn!!!

Place a sensor inside if the water level is low. Make a feedback in your touch screen or make a bell system using the IO of the processor for the sensor. Place the bell in the other relay. You have a 8sw8. Then ?another relay will turn the water faucet that we install earlier. That will replenish the water inside the kettle. With the sensor, it will stop if near full.?

In Addition, use a scheduler to have it hot every morning or in the afternoon or at night your choice.?

Hehehe.


Regards,

Ace Plagata


On Wednesday, December 18, 2019, 8:21 PM, Neil Dorin <neildorin@...> wrote:

Gonna build in some mechanism to ensure there¡¯s actually water in the kettle? Or just let it burn the house down...


On Dec 18, 2019, at 10:07 AM, ace plagata via Groups.Io <ace_plagata@...> wrote:

? Rewire it. Bypass the button, Add it in a relay.?
Program with timer. Just 8mins the relay will open.

Did i answer your question?

Regards,

Ace Plagata


On Wednesday, December 18, 2019, 7:07 PM, Neil Dorin <neildorin@...> wrote:

This would be a perfect example of automation gone too far....


On Dec 18, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Crestron_Programmer <s.marszalek11@...> wrote:

?Does anyone know of a kettle that can be controlled via Crestron?


Re: Controlled Kettle

 

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Gonna build in some mechanism to ensure there¡¯s actually water in the kettle? Or just let it burn the house down...


On Dec 18, 2019, at 10:07 AM, ace plagata via Groups.Io <ace_plagata@...> wrote:

? Rewire it. Bypass the button, Add it in a relay.?
Program with timer. Just 8mins the relay will open.

Did i answer your question?

Regards,

Ace Plagata


On Wednesday, December 18, 2019, 7:07 PM, Neil Dorin <neildorin@...> wrote:

This would be a perfect example of automation gone too far....


On Dec 18, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Crestron_Programmer <s.marszalek11@...> wrote:

?Does anyone know of a kettle that can be controlled via Crestron?


Re: Controlled Kettle

 

Rewire it. Bypass the button, Add it in a relay.?
Program with timer. Just 8mins the relay will open.

Did i answer your question?

Regards,

Ace Plagata


On Wednesday, December 18, 2019, 7:07 PM, Neil Dorin <neildorin@...> wrote:

This would be a perfect example of automation gone too far....


On Dec 18, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Crestron_Programmer <s.marszalek11@...> wrote:

?Does anyone know of a kettle that can be controlled via Crestron?


Re: Interlogix alternative

 

I'm not up to speed on what modules are available for resi these days, but back in my resi days, I was a huge proponent of the ELK M1 Gold panels.? They had a fantastic API that worked via serial or TCP/IP and the alarm panel itself?could be programmed via a PC, so not more hours standing in front of a keypad with a massive manual in hand....


On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 8:45 AM Lincoln King-Cliby <lincoln@...> wrote:

Nevermind¡­ I found the news of Interlogix exiting the alarm business. That is disappointing.

?

--

Lincoln King-Cliby, CTS, DMC-E-4K/T/D
Commercial Market Director
Sr. Systems Architect | Crestron Certified Master Programmer (Platinum)
ControlWorks Consulting, LLC |
D: (+1)440.771.4807 | O: (+1)440.449.1100? | F: (+1)440.449.1106
Crestron Services Provider | Biamp Authorized Independent Programmers | Extron Qualified Independent Programmer

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lincoln King-Cliby
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 10:40 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [crestron] Interlogix alternative

?

I don¡¯t do resi but I¡¯m curious what you mean by ¡°no longer an option¡±?

?

Though it¡¯s not GE anymore (it¡¯s been part of United Technologies for a few years) everything I¡¯m seeing shows the NetworkX series including the NX- panels and NX-587E ?virtual keypad as still available:

?

?

?

(I¡¯ve had an NX-8v2 in my house with the 587E for Crestron for longer than I can remember and have been very satisfied with the results)

?

Lincoln

?

--

Lincoln King-Cliby, CTS, DMC-E-4K/T/D
Commercial Market Director
Sr. Systems Architect | Crestron Certified Master Programmer (Platinum)
ControlWorks Consulting, LLC |
D: (+1)440.771.4807 | O: (+1)440.449.1100? | F: (+1)440.449.1106
Crestron Services Provider | Biamp Authorized Independent Programmers | Extron Qualified Independent Programmer

?

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of plareeeiybusse
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 10:07 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [crestron] Interlogix alternative

?

For those of you that do Residential, what are your go to security systems now that GE Interlogix is no longer an option?? Our company is partnered with a security company and we work closely with each other.? We have been looking into DSC as an option, but I'm told that the old Powerseries stuff is not the best option and their new Neo series is better but it only support IP control.? I've seen that Control 4 has an integration partnership with DSC and I think if Crestron wants to have any chance at being competitive with their new Home OS3 (or traditional SIMPL programming).? But if there's another option, I'd love to hear it.? I'll mention, we don't work with HAI any more lol, they were so unreliable.


Re: Controlled Kettle

 

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This would be a perfect example of automation gone too far....


On Dec 18, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Crestron_Programmer <s.marszalek11@...> wrote:

?Does anyone know of a kettle that can be controlled via Crestron?