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Re: Crestron Home vs. Original Simpl and VT
Just to be clear, we rarely do homes with Crestron Home.
However, it sometimes fits into a project perfectly. A client that lives in a MDU and wants lighting, shades, climate, and few rooms with TVs. The entire system can be programmed ridiculously quick and is very robust. Sure, you could use a program such as Pantech Design's Adapt (absolutely great guys), but you don't get client created schedules or lighting scenes. Also, you don't have to download the drivers with a client's internet connection. I think that it's a complete pain! I typically use FTP to load the latest firmware and "side load" the drivers.? It's way quicker. Download any driver that you want at the office or create your own.? They have an API for that. As for those worried that Crestron is trying to push the programmers out, that makes no sense. Crestron just wants to provide a consistent user experience at all levels of the market. If they wanted to get rid of programmers, would they be pushing for Microsoft Visual Studio to customize Crestron Home? Would they be moving to more open standard programing with HTML5 and C#? In the resi market, how many times have we had to prove to a client that Crestron doesn't suck?? It was just a badly written program! Crestron just realizes that they completely live and also die by the programmers. Let's just be happy that they finally can make a decent handheld remote!!! Can we just dump every TPMC-10, TPMC-8X, TPMC-4X, and TPMC-3X on their doorstep in NJ? |
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Re: Control Processor Programming Slots
#crestron
My advice is to keep everything in 1 slot unless there is a really good reason to use multiple slots, such as many rooms are being controlled from one processor. If you are breaking things up just to do it, IMO you are making your program more complex for no reason. Just my 2?
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Re: PAD8 alternatives
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI think Video-Storm still sell an analog matrix for composite video and stereo audio.? It is easy to control, has a bit more than a pad8 and is very reliable.? Also reasonable $$. ? From: <[email protected]> on behalf of Wyatt J <wyatt@...> ? Has anyone come across a good PAD8 alternative?? It is nice to use our choice of amps with something like the pad8.? Updates with digital and optical inputs would be nice.? Please don't say Zektor, we've had so many failures with those.? |
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Re: Crestron Home vs. Original Simpl and VT
As far as I can tell, Home is just the fuller version of Pyng so I sort of count them as the same thing. Think of Prodigy . . .
Crestron has been trying for years to take us out of the picture with some form of a system that "programs itself". With Home I believe they are trying to capture some of the Savant market with a system that one "configures" rather than "programs". Just like Savant, if you play in the sandbox you are fine. Undoubtedly, also like Savant, at a certain point - no matter how well the old stuff still works - things will lose support and the client will be forced to no longer get updates or improvements without buying new equipment. Or they will need/want to add something that is outside the sandbox and then they are screwed. If I recall their presentation correctly, the Integrator can really just use a sharp installer to configure the system. In that respect Crestron can now compete in that lesser tier that holds URC, RTI, Ctrl4, Savant Studio; the systems anyone can get from CI distributors. ?On 9/28/20, 4:57 PM, "Brad Jenkins" <[email protected] on behalf of brad.jenkins.o12@...> wrote: Hello, Sorry if this has been hashed out before. Curious if anyone is seriously using Crestron Home. I¡¯ve been through System Builder (a long time ago) and really tried to move to Studio and done a little with Pyng. Just taking the temperature to see if anyone believes it will be around for a while, and if there is a good use case for it. Thanks for opining. Brad J |
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Re: Crestron Home vs. Original Simpl and VT
Not totally cloud independent.? From page 14 of the 8525K manual:
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"Crestron Certified Drivers are available for AV receivers, Blu-ray? disc players, cable boxes, displays, pool controllers, projectors, and video servers. The drivers are automatically downloaded into the Crestron Home Setup app from the Crestron cloud." Sure it is going to work if that internet goes out. That would be stupid if it didn't. What I am talking about is 10 years down the road when a client calls me to make a service call to replace a light dimmer, reprogram a button, or replace a TV with a different brand. What then. If we had downloadable databases and the programming can be done without having an internet connection, I could get the client going again. But if Crestron is no longer around or moved on to something else, the client is screwed. I agree with others that for lighting control, Crestron Home works pretty good and that is one of the major areas we use it.? And since you can import the Pyng widgets into your SIMPL program, it makes for an easy lighting interface in your SIMPL program. Steve On 9/29/20 10:52 AM, Brian Matson via groups.io wrote:
Also, it's not cloud based.? It is cloud backed up, but it doesn't run in the cloud.? (Another advantage) |
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Re: PAD8 alternatives
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýComing in on the conversation late ¨C but going from a PAD8 to a Q-Sys core/Tesira/ etc is wildly overkill and has rack space/heat dissipation/power consumptions/boot time issues to consider. ? Last time I redid the analog side of my house I considered stacking some SoundStructures via OBAM (at the time the cheapest used DSP that supported a respectable matrix size) and it would have required double the rack space, I think 5 or 6 times the power, taken an extra 2 minutes to boot, thrown off a ton of heat, and required a lot more effort to program to work as a matrix router (rather than a mixer) ? In the end I went with a Autopatch (AMX) 48X48 stereo matrix ¨C not quite full ¨C that¡¯s 4RU, boots in about 20 seconds and takes care of the ¡°only allow one source to be routed to each output at any given time¡± on its own, uses relatively little power and throws off next to no perceptible heat. ? Boot time is probably not the most significant issue for a large part of the audience ¨C for me it is because the matrix is only powered on when something needs analog audio so it spends probably 20 hours a day off on average; longer boot times would discourage the energy/heat conservation that that allows ? -- Lincoln King-Cliby, CTS, DMC-E-4K/T/D ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Daniel Portugal
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 11:35 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [crestron] PAD8 alternatives ? Why not just get a regular DSP like Biamp Tesira Forte, QSC Qsys, Crestron's Avia that way you can program/configure them to your liking? |
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Re: PAD8 alternatives
I know that it's not a preamp, but what about the Director series from Audio Control?
Yes, it has built in amplification, but are you going to find a better multi-channel amplifier for residential? It's rated at 100W, doubles to 200W at 4ohms, and doubles again to 400W when bridged. That's what a real amp should do. It has up to 8 pairs of analog inputs with loop outputs, 2 digital inputs, 2 digital outputs, and up to 8 pairs of speaker outputs. Also, it has speaker profiles, crossovers, graphic EQs, and parametric EQs. The Crestron module is already built and downloadable from their website. If you need to send the DA sources to surround zones or a landscape amp, just use the digital outputs. Audio Control is a great company, and it's built just north of Seattle, WA. Just my 2 cents, Brian |
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Re: Control Processor Programming Slots
#crestron
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýEach program slot functions with a large degree of independence from other program slots; beyond that it¡¯s a largely philosophical choice. ? Most of my systems in the real world are running everything in one program slot while I have some where it has made sense to cleave functionality for modularity, problem isolation, etc. For example, I have a group of meeting rooms where the main room logic is in one slot and is the same across all rooms, broadcast control logic is in another slot also the same across all rooms but if needed can be changed on the fly without disrupting the meeting in progress, and AV control is in a 3rd slot because no two of the rooms have the same equipment, let alone capabilities, etc. ? In my home system I have physically separate processors, generally running one program per processor (PRO3 ¨C everything except lighting, security, access control, CP3 ¨C Lighting and security, RMC3 ¨C Access control) but think I¡¯m about due for a rewrite of everything and am thinking about putting the routing hardware logic (e.g. DM, Autopatch) in a different slot than the UI logic for a greater level of abstraction, likewise thinking about putting the CNX keypads and other temperature probes in a separate slot to cut down the chatter when I¡¯m looking at things in Debugger ¨C this wouldn¡¯t be a concern at all in a ¡°real¡± project, but I¡¯m poking at things in debugger often enough at home that having 20 temperatures and a handful of ambient light levels updating every few seconds (and having to disable debugging for those) gets obnoxious. ? In my own system all of the processors wind up getting ¡°crumbs¡± of programs loaded for the quick ¡°I wonder if this will do what I think it will/should¡± test from time to time ? -- Lincoln King-Cliby, CTS, DMC-E-4K/T/D ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Sharan Suvarna via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 9:40 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [crestron] Control Processor Programming Slots #crestron #crestron ? Hey Guys, ? I need? some help in understanding the programming slots capacity in a control processors, like how the work load, memory, execution flow, etc... of a control processor is distributed among the 10 programming slots.?? ? ? Here is situation I am facing and I have the following devices to control from the control processor. ? 1. QSC core 110f and Netmax for audio 2. Nest Thermostat 3. HAI security controller 4. Enttec ODE for DMX lights 5. Lutron for lights and switches 6. Crestron Shades ? Here some of the devices need to have continuous polling from the control process to make sure is connected to the control processor like the QSC core 110f, Netmax, HAI security etc.... ? Now what's the best way to program this ? like split the functionality among multiple programming slots ? QSC Core 110f in - Slot 1, Netmax in - Slot 2, etc..... Or is it better to dump all those functionality into one programming slot and keep rest of the programming slots empty. ? I want to know how will this effect the performance of the control processor. ? Thank You. |
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Re: Samsung QE series & Samsung IP Display v1.3 driver
#samsung
I'm definitely using UserAttribute_1...
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Topics in Home Automation - New Article Published in Residential Tech Today Magazine
My latest article, "The Integration of Weather Data into the Smart Home with the Tempest Weather System by WeatherFlow¡± is being published by the good folks at Residential Tech Today Magazine on their web site.? The article looks at the new Tempest Weather System and the integration of weather data into the smart home.? For Crestron programmers the article includes a link to a driver I wrote for integration of the Tempest Weather System into a Crestron smart home system. You can find the full article here:? For those interested in earlier articles that I've written, you can find those here: For those interested in additional content I've written, you can find my blog here: I hope you find the information useful. Thanks |
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Re: Samsung QE series & Samsung IP Display v1.3 driver
#samsung
I've just had a look on drivers.io for any other Samsung drivers.
All are dated 09/29/2020 & ver?3.0.000.0021 except three which are ver?2.09.001.0015 dated 09/10/202. I've had a look at the 2.09.001.0015?dat file for these: {"displayName":"You Tube is supported","id":"SupportsYouTube","value":false}, {"displayName":"You Tube Tv is supported","id":"SupportsYouTubeTv","value":false}, {"displayName":"Netflix is supported","id":"SupportsNetflix","value":false}, {"displayName":"Hulu is supported","id":"SupportsHulu","value":false}, {"displayName":"Directv Now is supported","id":"SupportsDirectvNow","value":false}, {"displayName":"Amazon Video is supported","id":"SupportsAmazonVideo","value":false}, {"displayName":"Playstation Vue is supported","id":"SupportsPlaystationVue","value":false}, {"displayName":"Sling Tv is supported","id":"SupportsSlingTv","value":false} This is very disappointing. So the old 1.3 driver has support for the services I need for the client but the driver offers no feedback apart from power. The new driver has feedback but does not allow the services I need. And people wonder why Control4 are doing so well!! -s |
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Re: Samsung QE series & Samsung IP Display v1.3 driver
#samsung
thanks, not in junk/spam of both emails. I clicked the resend verification email twice already 1 hour ago. I guess I'll contact support directly.
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Re: Samsung QE series & Samsung IP Display v1.3 driver
#samsung
Check your spam/junk.
Mine always end up there despite marking them as not junk. Once you can get in it's pretty straightforward getting the driver. As you can see not always straightforward getting them working. -s |
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Re: Control Processor Programming Slots
#crestron
At one point I was told, that the processor manages the load dynamically, and assigns the resources based on the needs.?
In our systems we have something like that: Slot 1 - UI interfacing, RoomView Interfacing, AV routing (Although, I'd like to put AV routing into separate slot) Slot 2 - DSP Slot 3 - lighting Slot 4 - lecture capture Advantage is that UI interface always behaves exactly the same, I rarely have to modify anything. Over the summer, we replaced the Echo360 with Cattura classroom capture devices. It only required to modify Slot 4 code. And once tested, the same code could be uploaded to different classrooms.? Slot 1 program takes the button press from the UI (like Capture stop), and sends it to slot 4. Than the program in slot 4 takes that signal, turns it into the API command and controls the device.... Another advantage is that you can restart any of the programs, without restarting the main one, so if you upload slot3, slot 1 keeps running, so user does not even know anything happened. |
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