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Re: PAD8 alternatives

 

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Coming in on the conversation late ¨C but going from a PAD8 to a Q-Sys core/Tesira/ etc is wildly overkill and has rack space/heat dissipation/power consumptions/boot time issues to consider.

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Last time I redid the analog side of my house I considered stacking some SoundStructures via OBAM (at the time the cheapest used DSP that supported a respectable matrix size) and it would have required double the rack space, I think 5 or 6 times the power, taken an extra 2 minutes to boot, thrown off a ton of heat, and required a lot more effort to program to work as a matrix router (rather than a mixer)

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In the end I went with a Autopatch (AMX) 48X48 stereo matrix ¨C not quite full ¨C that¡¯s 4RU, boots in about 20 seconds and takes care of the ¡°only allow one source to be routed to each output at any given time¡± on its own, uses relatively little power and throws off next to no perceptible heat.

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Boot time is probably not the most significant issue for a large part of the audience ¨C for me it is because the matrix is only powered on when something needs analog audio so it spends probably 20 hours a day off on average; longer boot times would discourage the energy/heat conservation that that allows

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Lincoln King-Cliby, CTS, DMC-E-4K/T/D
Commercial Market Director
Sr. Systems Architect | Crestron Certified Master Programmer (Diamond)
ControlWorks Consulting, LLC
Direct: (+1)440.771.4807 | Cleveland: (+1)440.449.1100? | Boston: (+1)508.695.0188 | DC: (+1)202.381.9070? | Fax: (+1)440.449.1106
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Daniel Portugal
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 11:35 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [crestron] PAD8 alternatives

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Why not just get a regular DSP like Biamp Tesira Forte, QSC Qsys, Crestron's Avia that way you can program/configure them to your liking?
Might even work with an older Polycom Vortex/SoundStructure, ClearOne 880s/Converge.


Re: PAD8 alternatives

 

I know that it's not a preamp, but what about the Director series from Audio Control?

Yes, it has built in amplification, but are you going to find a better multi-channel amplifier for residential?
It's rated at 100W, doubles to 200W at 4ohms, and doubles again to 400W when bridged.
That's what a real amp should do.

It has up to 8 pairs of analog inputs with loop outputs, 2 digital inputs, 2 digital outputs, and up to 8 pairs of speaker outputs.
Also, it has speaker profiles, crossovers, graphic EQs, and parametric EQs.
The Crestron module is already built and downloadable from their website.

If you need to send the DA sources to surround zones or a landscape amp, just use the digital outputs.

Audio Control is a great company, and it's built just north of Seattle, WA.

Just my 2 cents,
Brian


Re: Control Processor Programming Slots #crestron

 

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Each program slot functions with a large degree of independence from other program slots; beyond that it¡¯s a largely philosophical choice.

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Most of my systems in the real world are running everything in one program slot while I have some where it has made sense to cleave functionality for modularity, problem isolation, etc. For example, I have a group of meeting rooms where the main room logic is in one slot and is the same across all rooms, broadcast control logic is in another slot also the same across all rooms but if needed can be changed on the fly without disrupting the meeting in progress, and AV control is in a 3rd slot because no two of the rooms have the same equipment, let alone capabilities, etc.

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In my home system I have physically separate processors, generally running one program per processor (PRO3 ¨C everything except lighting, security, access control, CP3 ¨C Lighting and security, RMC3 ¨C Access control) but think I¡¯m about due for a rewrite of everything and am thinking about putting the routing hardware logic (e.g. DM, Autopatch) in a different slot than the UI logic for a greater level of abstraction, likewise thinking about putting the CNX keypads and other temperature probes in a separate slot to cut down the chatter when I¡¯m looking at things in Debugger ¨C this wouldn¡¯t be a concern at all in a ¡°real¡± project, but I¡¯m poking at things in debugger often enough at home that having 20 temperatures and a handful of ambient light levels updating every few seconds (and having to disable debugging for those) gets obnoxious.

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In my own system all of the processors wind up getting ¡°crumbs¡± of programs loaded for the quick ¡°I wonder if this will do what I think it will/should¡± test from time to time

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Lincoln King-Cliby, CTS, DMC-E-4K/T/D
Commercial Market Director
Sr. Systems Architect | Crestron Certified Master Programmer (Diamond)
ControlWorks Consulting, LLC
Direct: (+1)440.771.4807 | Cleveland: (+1)440.449.1100? | Boston: (+1)508.695.0188 | DC: (+1)202.381.9070? | Fax: (+1)440.449.1106
Crestron Services Provider | Biamp Authorized Independent Programmers | Extron Qualified Independent Programmer

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sharan Suvarna via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 9:40 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [crestron] Control Processor Programming Slots #crestron #crestron

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Hey Guys,

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I need? some help in understanding the programming slots capacity in a control processors, like how the work load, memory, execution flow, etc... of a control processor is distributed among the 10 programming slots.??

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Here is situation I am facing and I have the following devices to control from the control processor.

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1. QSC core 110f and Netmax for audio

2. Nest Thermostat

3. HAI security controller

4. Enttec ODE for DMX lights

5. Lutron for lights and switches

6. Crestron Shades

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Here some of the devices need to have continuous polling from the control process to make sure is connected to the control processor like the QSC core 110f, Netmax, HAI security etc....

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Now what's the best way to program this ? like split the functionality among multiple programming slots ? QSC Core 110f in - Slot 1, Netmax in - Slot 2, etc..... Or is it better to dump all those functionality into one programming slot and keep rest of the programming slots empty.

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I want to know how will this effect the performance of the control processor.

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Thank You.


Re: 2N API commands

 

Your string is going to look more like this (on an system with no auth):

GET /api/switch/ctrl?switch=1&action=on HTTP /1.1\nHost: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx\n\n

xxx = IP address


Re: PAD8 alternatives

 

Yeah, we have used Biamp, BSS, etc., but it feels like overkill to use a DSP as a matrix, especially in a residential application.? the PAD8 was just so simple.?


Re: Samsung QE series & Samsung IP Display v1.3 driver #samsung

 

I'm definitely using UserAttribute_1...


Re: PAD8 alternatives

 

Why not just get a regular DSP like Biamp Tesira Forte, QSC Qsys, Crestron's Avia that way you can program/configure them to your liking?
Might even work with an older Polycom Vortex/SoundStructure, ClearOne 880s/Converge.


Topics in Home Automation - New Article Published in Residential Tech Today Magazine

 

My latest article, "The Integration of Weather Data into the Smart Home with the Tempest Weather System by WeatherFlow¡± is being published by the good folks at Residential Tech Today Magazine on their web site.? The article looks at the new Tempest Weather System and the integration of weather data into the smart home.? For Crestron programmers the article includes a link to a driver I wrote for integration of the Tempest Weather System into a Crestron smart home system.

You can find the full article here:?


For those interested in earlier articles that I've written, you can find those here:


For those interested in additional content I've written, you can find my blog here:


I hope you find the information useful.

Thanks


Sonos S2 on TSW-xx60 Touch Panels

 

Am I correct that a client with three Sonos Ports, running S2, WILL NOT be able to use the native Sonos app from TSW-1060 touch Panel?
Thanks.
-Mark


Re: 2N API commands

 

We have the license. If you had a program to open and could share strings that would be awesome.

Thank you!


Re: Samsung QE series & Samsung IP Display v1.3 driver #samsung

 

I've just had a look on drivers.io for any other Samsung drivers.
All are dated 09/29/2020 & ver?3.0.000.0021 except three which are ver?2.09.001.0015 dated 09/10/202.

I've had a look at the 2.09.001.0015?dat file for these:
{"displayName":"You Tube is supported","id":"SupportsYouTube","value":false},
{"displayName":"You Tube Tv is supported","id":"SupportsYouTubeTv","value":false},
{"displayName":"Netflix is supported","id":"SupportsNetflix","value":false},
{"displayName":"Hulu is supported","id":"SupportsHulu","value":false},
{"displayName":"Directv Now is supported","id":"SupportsDirectvNow","value":false},
{"displayName":"Amazon Video is supported","id":"SupportsAmazonVideo","value":false},
{"displayName":"Playstation Vue is supported","id":"SupportsPlaystationVue","value":false},
{"displayName":"Sling Tv is supported","id":"SupportsSlingTv","value":false}

This is very disappointing. So the old 1.3 driver has support for the services I need for the client but the driver offers no feedback apart from power.
The new driver has feedback but does not allow the services I need.
And people wonder why Control4 are doing so well!!
-s


Re: Samsung QE series & Samsung IP Display v1.3 driver #samsung

 

thanks, not in junk/spam of both emails. I clicked the resend verification email twice already 1 hour ago. I guess I'll contact support directly.


PAD8 alternatives

 

Has anyone come across a good PAD8 alternative?? It is nice to use our choice of amps with something like the pad8.? Updates with digital and optical inputs would be nice.? Please don't say Zektor, we've had so many failures with those.?


Re: Samsung QE series & Samsung IP Display v1.3 driver #samsung

 
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Check your spam/junk.
Mine always end up there despite marking them as not junk.
Once you can get in it's pretty straightforward getting the driver.
As you can see not always straightforward getting them working.
-s


Re: Control Processor Programming Slots #crestron

 

At one point I was told, that the processor manages the load dynamically, and assigns the resources based on the needs.?

In our systems we have something like that:
Slot 1 - UI interfacing, RoomView Interfacing, AV routing (Although, I'd like to put AV routing into separate slot)
Slot 2 - DSP
Slot 3 - lighting
Slot 4 - lecture capture

Advantage is that UI interface always behaves exactly the same, I rarely have to modify anything. Over the summer, we replaced the Echo360 with Cattura classroom capture devices. It only required to modify Slot 4 code. And once tested, the same code could be uploaded to different classrooms.?
Slot 1 program takes the button press from the UI (like Capture stop), and sends it to slot 4. Than the program in slot 4 takes that signal, turns it into the API command and controls the device....

Another advantage is that you can restart any of the programs, without restarting the main one, so if you upload slot3, slot 1 keeps running, so user does not even know anything happened.


Re: Samsung QE series & Samsung IP Display v1.3 driver #samsung

 

hi,? sry for this, but can anyone tell me how to get the driver you're using, I also want to get rid of the connection message. But when I register an account on drivers.creston.io, I never get the activation mail, regardlessof the email I use.

thanks.?


Re: Samsung QE series & Samsung IP Display v1.3 driver #samsung

 

So some progress at last.
After seeing the Provided MACAddress is not valid I simply assigned the MAC address to all the Attribute inputs.
I'll figure out which attribute is the MAC later.
The driver has now connected and I have control over many aspects.
Stuff not working:
* TV input
* Media Apps


Re: How accurate are C2N-RTHS? #c2n-rths

 

The main thing I believe that reflects that accuracy of these sensors is how closely coupled the DS18B20 is to the metal plate on the front of the sensor.? It can be position quite far from the plate and cause it to be very slow to respond to temperature changes.

The main issue I have with mine is the temperature it reading is sometimes get stuck in a mode that read a temperature much much higher than ambient. I should note that this is only the outdoor sensor and not the indoor sensor.?? I have seen it read a temperature as high as 150F when the outdoor temperature is more like 90F.? Of course sunlight falling on the sensor will also greatly increase its temperature.? When it gets in this mode, it will stay this way until I pull the thermostat off the wall to reset it.? Then it reads normally again.

The issue may condensation related.? But I think the issue is firmware related.? Otherwise when the condensation dries out, it should start reading normally again.

I normally use my Davis Weather station to read temperature as it is much more accurate and is not affected by sunlight shining on it. It is only an issue for me in the winter time although it can occur anytime in the year.? I have a dual fuel heating system.? I use the outdoor sensor to lock out my heat pump with the temperature gets too high or too low and switch over to propane instead.? My system continues to work when it starts reading too high but I land up burning very expensive propane when it happens.

Steve

On 9/30/20 8:34 AM, Slip Cougan via groups.io wrote:
Thanks Steve,

Some of these sensors are a good few years old and sending them back to Crestron is probably not worth it.
As stated I did do a very "un-scientific" test with my polystyrene box and did not bother with any form of circulation but figured the inside would reach a pretty ambient temperature overnight.

As I said I'm not too bothered about this and will live with it.
I was just curious on other people's experience.

Cheers for getting back.
-s





Re: Modbus

 

I would request to the HVAC company to add bacnet to their system.? It will make your life infinitely easier.


Re: 2N API commands

 

In general you need the API license first to allow integration.? There is also an API page where you can turn off authorization which makes things easier.? After that test it in a browser first and when that is successful, move on to crestron.? I would have to dig into my archives further for details, but that will get you started.