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Re: Off Topic - killing laptops - any advice?

 

use smcFanControl on the mac and crank the fans up to get rid of the heat.

run "Repair Disk Permissions" using Disk Utility on the mac, you would be
surprised at the weird problems that will fix.



On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 10:42 AM, oldspunky <paul@...>wrote:

**


For the past 5 or 6 years the laptops I use for program development have
been dying (about 1 a year). I have tried Toshiba, Lenovo, HP, and
Panasonic Toughbooks. So this time I tried a Mac Powerbook (with VMware
Fusion and Windows 7. Now the Mac is getting clunky too.

I am probably overloading them, but when I have several copies of Simpl
Windows, Vtpro-e, Autocad, xpanel, Toolbox, and probably a Clearone or
Biamp configuration file (and perhaps Photoshop) all open at the same time
the laptops get pretty hot. Unfortunately I usually need all those things
when working on a program or bringing up a system.

I do a lot of my programming on the road so using a desktop is probably
not an option.

I have been using Radioshack fans and they seem to help, but my Mac is
still getting hot enough to fry eggs or my hands. Any ideas? Or should I
just accept this and budget a new laptop (and software) every year or so.?

Thanks,
Paul



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Re: Cross Point connected to multiple Equipment

jgreenink16
 

I was about to call hogwash on that, but as it turns out, my disconnect_all actually connects to DiscFromC. I find that one very handy, and probably the one he wants. I find that much easier than trying to remember which device was connected previously.

--- In Crestron@..., "Witmarquzot" <tdurrant420@...> wrote:

Your welcome.

I think almost everyone in the group has gone through that problem(or similar).
Also, the InUse signal does not always stay high, it has a tendency to go low for a couple of waves(at least in my experience) when connecting a new controller to an equipment cross point. I use a ROS and an AND to make sure that it stays high until the inuse has gone low for X seconds.

I doubt you will need this info, but stay away from DiscAll. It will reek nothing but havoc on a system. Good if you want to break the system, but I have yet to find a good use for it.

--- In Crestron@..., Tim F <tsfauser@> wrote:

Thanks,

I was doing Disc EC.?? I figured it would reset everything before reconnecting.?? 1, to 101.??



________________________________
From: Witmarquzot <tdurrant420@>
To: Crestron@...
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 8:03 PM
Subject: [Crestron] Re: Cross Point connected to multiple Equipment


??
If you are using Disconnect only, it only Disconnects the numbers it the equipment/controller values.
For EX:
E:100
C:1
Disconnect
Connect
Disconnects E100 and C1
Then connects E100 and C1

If you use DiscFromC it will disconnect all the equipment from the selected controller. This should give you the result you are looking for.

For Ex:
E:101
C:1
DiscFromC
Connect
Disconnect all Equipment from C1
Then connect E101 and C1

--- In Crestron@..., "timfauser" <tsfauser@> wrote:

Trying to get a better grasp on cross points by testing on my home system (fyi, wife is annoyed).

I have my equipment connection routing going into a Serial/ Analog One Shot that has disconnect running running on the out and connect on the out*.

Somehow when I connect to Equipment crosspoint 101d, and press join 45 on Control crosspoint 1d, I see the signal come out Equipment cross point 100d (was connected to) AND 101d. If I reboot the processor it will only come out the first I connect to, but it never seems to loose connection when I try to move to a different piece of gear.

How is this possible, and what am I missing. Quickly my wife is looking for the granite rolling pin.

Thanks
Tim F



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C2N-TFM Showing up as "UNSUPPORTED DEVICE"

 

I am setting up the network on a system I'm about to upload to. Running through the devices when discovering, it pulls up an error for the C2N-TFM. It says "Unsupported Device". It will let me keep going, but any idea what this means?

The processor is a CP2E and I am programming this system in SB.


Re: Send Email / Dyn DNS

Raph Paf
 

I've you set the dns server on your processor?

--- In Crestron@..., "Bobis" <msnsugerpurjo@...> wrote:

Trying mail.com setup as below, with my account.
but get error -3

Do I have to get a Pro account? Not just the free version?

If i need to change port, is it possible with this module?

Regards
Joel

--- In Crestron@..., Jeremy Weatherford <xidus.net@> wrote:

FYI, you will get ISPs that block outgoing SMTP connections to
anything except their own servers, especially in residential
environments. Mailhop providers will typically provide you with
alternate port numbers that are less likely to be blocked by ISPs.

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:34 AM, jbudz1977 <jbudz1977@> wrote:
Super tip, thanks!

Just tested and it works great with the following settings:

From: ?username@ (as assigned during the sign up)
Server: ?smtp.mail.com
User Login Name: ?username@
Password: ?the password



--- In Crestron@..., "slip.cougan" <slip.cougan@> wrote:

Try www.mail.com
Works with Crestron SendMail great.
g



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Multiple running clocks and dates in the same system.

 

Hi!

I'm programming a system that has some special needs. User need to be able to simulate light scenarios of different GPS positions and dates. User must be able to configure the conditions:
-GPS coordinates
-Time from 0-100% of Sunrise and from 100%to0% of Sunset
-Date of simulation.

For example:
-One room could be running lights emulating the sun in YEMEN in 3rd august, calculating the sunrise and sunset for that GPS coordinates and that date.
-While another room could be running lights emulation sun in South Italy on 3th september.

There are 16 different spaces.

I can perform almost all the tasks with timers, pasts, offsets and astronomical clock... but I've not a clear way of programming two spaces running at different dates just using one TOD$.
I may create a simpl+ module that modifies TOD$ creating several TOD$s based on days/months delay... any better idea? It's my only clue for the moment.

Thanks for your advices ;)


Re: Global Cache

nevahdun
 

--- In Crestron@..., "goofy_1562" <jon@...> wrote:

Hi All

I don't suppose anyone would have a module for a Global Cache device, or could point me in the right direction to read up on integrating the 6 port IR version into a Crestron system. Never used one before...

Cheers Jon


Re: Send Email / Dyn DNS

Bobis
 

Trying mail.com setup as below, with my account.
but get error -3

Do I have to get a Pro account? Not just the free version?

If i need to change port, is it possible with this module?

Regards
Joel

--- In Crestron@..., Jeremy Weatherford <xidus.net@...> wrote:

FYI, you will get ISPs that block outgoing SMTP connections to
anything except their own servers, especially in residential
environments. Mailhop providers will typically provide you with
alternate port numbers that are less likely to be blocked by ISPs.

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:34 AM, jbudz1977 <jbudz1977@...> wrote:
Super tip, thanks!

Just tested and it works great with the following settings:

From: ?username@... (as assigned during the sign up)
Server: ?smtp.mail.com
User Login Name: ?username@...
Password: ?the password



--- In Crestron@..., "slip.cougan" <slip.cougan@> wrote:

Try www.mail.com
Works with Crestron SendMail great.
g



------------------------------------



Check out the Files area for useful modules, documents, and drivers.

A contact list of Crestron dealers and programmers can be found in the Database area.
Yahoo! Groups Links




--
Jeremy Weatherford


Global Cache

goofy_1562
 

Hi All

I don't suppose anyone would have a module for a Global Cache device, or could point me in the right direction to read up on integrating the 6 port IR version into a Crestron system. Never used one before...

Cheers Jon


Re: Cross Point connected to multiple Equipment

Witmarquzot
 

Your welcome.

I think almost everyone in the group has gone through that problem(or similar).
Also, the InUse signal does not always stay high, it has a tendency to go low for a couple of waves(at least in my experience) when connecting a new controller to an equipment cross point. I use a ROS and an AND to make sure that it stays high until the inuse has gone low for X seconds.

I doubt you will need this info, but stay away from DiscAll. It will reek nothing but havoc on a system. Good if you want to break the system, but I have yet to find a good use for it.

--- In Crestron@..., Tim F <tsfauser@...> wrote:

Thanks,

I was doing Disc EC.?? I figured it would reset everything before reconnecting.?? 1, to 101.??



________________________________
From: Witmarquzot <tdurrant420@...>
To: Crestron@...
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 8:03 PM
Subject: [Crestron] Re: Cross Point connected to multiple Equipment


??
If you are using Disconnect only, it only Disconnects the numbers it the equipment/controller values.
For EX:
E:100
C:1
Disconnect
Connect
Disconnects E100 and C1
Then connects E100 and C1

If you use DiscFromC it will disconnect all the equipment from the selected controller. This should give you the result you are looking for.

For Ex:
E:101
C:1
DiscFromC
Connect
Disconnect all Equipment from C1
Then connect E101 and C1

--- In Crestron@..., "timfauser" <tsfauser@> wrote:

Trying to get a better grasp on cross points by testing on my home system (fyi, wife is annoyed).

I have my equipment connection routing going into a Serial/ Analog One Shot that has disconnect running running on the out and connect on the out*.

Somehow when I connect to Equipment crosspoint 101d, and press join 45 on Control crosspoint 1d, I see the signal come out Equipment cross point 100d (was connected to) AND 101d. If I reboot the processor it will only come out the first I connect to, but it never seems to loose connection when I try to move to a different piece of gear.

How is this possible, and what am I missing. Quickly my wife is looking for the granite rolling pin.

Thanks
Tim F



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Re: Polycom QDX6000

 

I was working on one last Friday and spent two hours on tech support with Polycom. The bottom line is that I ran into the EXACT same problem you did. I didn't have any luck and I used both the included 'pass-thru' cable supplied, and without it.

I ALSO did not get component video output to work on the unit at all. Polycom is advance replacing a unit which should arrive tomorrow (Monday, 4/23/12) and I will be trying it again in-house instead of on-site.

The protocols API is available from their support website, but the bottom line is that it is identical for IR control to the HDX series units. So, using the Crestron provided HDX module, at the very least, you should have IR control functionality.

I did not have this control, I did not EVER get this control... So, I will see again on Monday what occurs, but I would love any insight that you, or anyone else gets, in this regard.

I will first hook it up with a known good cable with only pins 2, 3, and 5 connected. I know that sometimes over-pinning a serial cable with some products can mess things up. So, I'll go from there.

At least Polycom was willing to spend over an hour (!!!) on the phone troubleshooting this product.

It just scares me what getting the VTC to actually work will be like considering the headache with this part of the setup.

--- In Crestron@..., "stranded" <strandedyahoo@...> wrote:

Has anyone been able to control a QDX6000? It's definitely supposed to be RS232 controllable after firmware 4.0, but I haven't been able to get it to work. It will not respond to anything on its com port at all. I have set the com port for control and hooked up to the thing like any other Polycom and no joy. I am thinking I might have a bad unit. I talked to tech support and was told I needed a special cable as referenced in the API. we made that cable on-site only to find out it had actually come with the unit. The cable made no difference. Plus, according to the documentation that cable is only for "pass thru" mode.

I'm going to call tech support again today but I was hoping someone here could push me in the right direction.

Thanks


Re: Just posted Insteon lighting & thermostat control modules that I developed

 

Bumping an old topic, but wanted to see how your experience has been if you are still using them with the Insteon products. I have a number of residential properties which clamor for some lighting control but aren't up for the pricing of Lutron.

I would love to put this in, and was thinking of using your module (which looks excellent), but wanted a bit more information about your specific setup and your involvement with it.

I was also thinking about doing this with my new home.

I saw that you recommend the filters, at about 25 bucks each I could certainly throw a half dozen in... But, I was thinking that this may end up controlling 100+ switches in my home when completed, connected to a Pro2.

Wanted to know what hardware you were using, because it sounds like you are using this...


For 80 bucks, that's an inexpensive way to gain lighting control.

Likewise, wanted to know what else may be necessary. I am just registering with the Insteon forums, and I really have no need for advanced functionality beyond 'basic' dimming right now. Even the two-way aspect isn't a big deal to me. But, gaining power line control over lighting for 80 bucks plus a few dimmers in a theater would be a cost concious option to even a Grafik Eye and would be pretty exciting to add to the mix if it is quick and reliable.

Would love more thoughts and discussion on this, or other lighting control options which are reasonably priced and expandable.

--- In Crestron@..., "Nason Tackett" <nason@...> wrote:

I developed these modules for my own house and tested and perfected them over the past 2 years. They work well and offer polling so that your touch panel stays in sync with the current levels. Also, there is a module for controlling/polling the Insteon/Venstar thermostat. Included is an example program and touch screen to see how to use the modules. Let me know if you have any questions.


Re: Cross Point connected to multiple Equipment

Tim F
 

Thanks,

I was doing Disc EC.? I figured it would reset everything before reconnecting.? 1, to 101.?



________________________________
From: Witmarquzot <tdurrant420@...>
To: Crestron@...
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 8:03 PM
Subject: [Crestron] Re: Cross Point connected to multiple Equipment


?
If you are using Disconnect only, it only Disconnects the numbers it the equipment/controller values.
For EX:
E:100
C:1
Disconnect
Connect
Disconnects E100 and C1
Then connects E100 and C1

If you use DiscFromC it will disconnect all the equipment from the selected controller. This should give you the result you are looking for.

For Ex:
E:101
C:1
DiscFromC
Connect
Disconnect all Equipment from C1
Then connect E101 and C1

--- In Crestron@..., "timfauser" <tsfauser@...> wrote:

Trying to get a better grasp on cross points by testing on my home system (fyi, wife is annoyed).

I have my equipment connection routing going into a Serial/ Analog One Shot that has disconnect running running on the out and connect on the out*.

Somehow when I connect to Equipment crosspoint 101d, and press join 45 on Control crosspoint 1d, I see the signal come out Equipment cross point 100d (was connected to) AND 101d. If I reboot the processor it will only come out the first I connect to, but it never seems to loose connection when I try to move to a different piece of gear.

How is this possible, and what am I missing. Quickly my wife is looking for the granite rolling pin.

Thanks
Tim F



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: Cross Point connected to multiple Equipment

Witmarquzot
 

If you are using Disconnect only, it only Disconnects the numbers it the equipment/controller values.
For EX:
E:100
C:1
Disconnect
Connect
Disconnects E100 and C1
Then connects E100 and C1


If you use DiscFromC it will disconnect all the equipment from the selected controller. This should give you the result you are looking for.

For Ex:
E:101
C:1
DiscFromC
Connect
Disconnect all Equipment from C1
Then connect E101 and C1

--- In Crestron@..., "timfauser" <tsfauser@...> wrote:

Trying to get a better grasp on cross points by testing on my home system (fyi, wife is annoyed).

I have my equipment connection routing going into a Serial/ Analog One Shot that has disconnect running running on the out and connect on the out*.

Somehow when I connect to Equipment crosspoint 101d, and press join 45 on Control crosspoint 1d, I see the signal come out Equipment cross point 100d (was connected to) AND 101d. If I reboot the processor it will only come out the first I connect to, but it never seems to loose connection when I try to move to a different piece of gear.

How is this possible, and what am I missing. Quickly my wife is looking for the granite rolling pin.

Thanks
Tim F


Re: Sort of OT: Seamless WiFi roaming?

Tim
 

HP has a great offering as well. They bought Colubris 2 years ago. Colubris developed the first multiple SSID system. Best part of HP is that most of the Hardware has a lifetime warranty. I've installed hundreds of Colubris/HP Access Points and seen very few issues. Even if you have issues it's easy to get warranty replacement(they use next day shipping). I've got over 50 APs at one location and roaming between them works very well.

Tim

--- In Crestron@..., "floyd1212" <floyd1212@...> wrote:

I guess this isn't really OT since networking and WiFi seems to be half of what we all do these days...

I'm looking for a wireless system (WAPs and controller) that can solve the "sticky WAP" syndrome where a wireless device will hang on to a weak WAP until it has totally lost signal before moving to a new, stronger WAP.

It seems that most of the controllers out there, like Ruckus and others, make configuring an array of WAPs much easier, potentially even automatic, but they still appear as individual WAPs to the client, setup on different channels with the same SSID. Am I correct?

The only thing I have come across that claims to solve this problem is from Meru (and Pakedge, which appears to re-badge the Meru product) with their "Virtual Cell" technology, but I haven't used either system yet. Does anyone have any experience with the Meru or Pakedge controllers, or is there something else out there that works like it?

Thanks,

-David


Cross Point connected to multiple Equipment

timfauser
 

Trying to get a better grasp on cross points by testing on my home system (fyi, wife is annoyed).

I have my equipment connection routing going into a Serial/ Analog One Shot that has disconnect running running on the out and connect on the out*.

Somehow when I connect to Equipment crosspoint 101d, and press join 45 on Control crosspoint 1d, I see the signal come out Equipment cross point 100d (was connected to) AND 101d. If I reboot the processor it will only come out the first I connect to, but it never seems to loose connection when I try to move to a different piece of gear.

How is this possible, and what am I missing. Quickly my wife is looking for the granite rolling pin.

Thanks
Tim F


new firmware 4.007.0004

 

Day 0 for Core3 UI?


Re: Insignia NS-42P650A11

 

Old thread but purchased an Insignia 40" LCD for the guestroom today ($349). The IR Codes in the Crestron Library under Insignia did not work, but the Broksonic CTGV-4563TCT (Infrared Control) worked. FYI.

--- In Crestron@..., "h" <web1111a@...> wrote:


try lg ir codes

In the past they have worked for me with a universal remote


--- In Crestron@..., "innoventgroup" <innoventgroup@> wrote:

Hey Jacob,

Unfortuantly, as far as I know, there are no drivers for any of the Insignia TV's. I know that telling you that no driver exists is not helping but I wanted to let you know what I have tried and what the results were.

1. Tried developing my own IR codes, via the learner and the origional remote, with mixed results. I can get the On/Off to work but the volume is all jacked up. I can get the input to work but only as a step through fuction.

2. Tried developing IR codes via the lerner and a harmony one remote. Still nothing more than what was available with the origional remote.

3. Tried using CEC over the DM. Nuttin!!

If you find a solution, please let the rest of us know. At present, my answer to the client is simply, there are no current solutions.

Have Fun,
DAVE

--- In Crestron@..., "jacobbalcit" <jacobtbal@> wrote:

I have a customer that wants to use their existing consumer grade Insignia's with a DM system. I tried to talk to Insignia to see if they had discrete IR commands for power and input select, but after 5 minutes of trying to explain the difference from a discrete command and a universal remote code I gave up. And waiting to hear from the engineering department in a week doesnt really help...the lady was really nice though!

With that said, I assume there are no published discrete IR commands for these TVs? If they are out there and anyone knows of them I'd really appreciate the help!

Thanks,
Jacob


Re: Sort of OT: Seamless WiFi roaming?

 

I can't say how the devices "see" the wireless network but Cisco Lightweight Access Points (LWAPs) with a Cisco Wireless LAN Controller (WLC) have always worked beautifully as long as the RF site survey and configuration is done correctly.

In one project I was even able to use a TPMC-8X in the elevator (one of the corners was kind of iffy, though)

I think one of the keys is since the WLC has "birds-eye" view of the network whereas autonomous APs are only aware of their immediate surroundings some tricks can be pulled to "encourage" a device to associate with and then roam to a specific access point.

Also, with a WLC/WDS in play the authentication/authorization is handed off as well when the device roams from one AP to another so there's not the delay in making the client reauthenticate with a new AP.

I'm running older Cisco autonomous APs at home with WDS and TPMC-8Xes (x2) plus a few iPod touches and laptops and the roaming is seamless. Bonus is on the Crestron SSID (where I'm using MAC authentication instead of LEAP all of the APs use a common RADIUS server for MAC Address authentication so if I add or remove a device it only needs to be done one place.

Lincoln

--
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Sr. Systems Architect
ControlWorks Consulting, LLC
V: 440.449.1100 x1107 F: 440.449.1106 I:
Crestron Authorized Independent Programmer

-----Original Message-----
From: Crestron@... [mailto:Crestron@...] On Behalf Of floyd1212
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 5:18 PM
To: Crestron@...
Subject: [Crestron] Sort of OT: Seamless WiFi roaming?

I guess this isn't really OT since networking and WiFi seems to be half of what we all do these days...

I'm looking for a wireless system (WAPs and controller) that can solve the "sticky WAP" syndrome where a wireless device will hang on to a weak WAP until it has totally lost signal before moving to a new, stronger WAP.

It seems that most of the controllers out there, like Ruckus and others, make configuring an array of WAPs much easier, potentially even automatic, but they still appear as individual WAPs to the client, setup on different channels with the same SSID. Am I correct?

The only thing I have come across that claims to solve this problem is from Meru (and Pakedge, which appears to re-badge the Meru product) with their "Virtual Cell" technology, but I haven't used either system yet. Does anyone have any experience with the Meru or Pakedge controllers, or is there something else out there that works like it?

Thanks,

-David



------------------------------------



Check out the Files area for useful modules, documents, and drivers.

A contact list of Crestron dealers and programmers can be found in the Database area.
Yahoo! Groups Links


Sort of OT: Seamless WiFi roaming?

 

I guess this isn't really OT since networking and WiFi seems to be half of what we all do these days...

I'm looking for a wireless system (WAPs and controller) that can solve the "sticky WAP" syndrome where a wireless device will hang on to a weak WAP until it has totally lost signal before moving to a new, stronger WAP.

It seems that most of the controllers out there, like Ruckus and others, make configuring an array of WAPs much easier, potentially even automatic, but they still appear as individual WAPs to the client, setup on different channels with the same SSID. Am I correct?

The only thing I have come across that claims to solve this problem is from Meru (and Pakedge, which appears to re-badge the Meru product) with their "Virtual Cell" technology, but I haven't used either system yet. Does anyone have any experience with the Meru or Pakedge controllers, or is there something else out there that works like it?

Thanks,

-David


Re: Protocol rant...

 

I remember many years ago on a CNMS, I had a system that had an 8 bit checksum. The fun part - the each byte was expressed not only as it's ascii counterpart, but reversed (i.e. instead of sending the single byte &#92;xAB, you had to send the 2 characters "B" then "A"). I remember doing something elaborate with a TXA, sending the string to a symbol that took each byte and spit it out as a readable string, then to an OP103 to parse things apart, remove the spaces that the previous symbol injected, flip the analogs around to another TXA to generate the real string. Fun stuff. Today, SIMPL+, screw doing that in SIMPL.

--- In Crestron@..., Eric Walters <sentry07@...> wrote:

Thank you for participating in this week's "Can It Be Done In SIMPL"
challenge. Stay tuned for next week's challenge.

On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Kool-Aid Drinker <
crug@...> wrote:

Nice. I ended up using the same number of symbols for a basic version,
but saved a crap-ton on digital signals.

Four SUB$ also looks better in terms of when to send the checksum (if
you're into that whole automatic send thing). Currently, I'm sending
it 1 tick after the string arrives, having no easy way to tell when
processing is done. Adding SAW pulses to the outputs of the SUB$ would
let you determine the last character was processed.


On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 11:04:22 -0700, Eric Walters <sentry07@...>
wrote:

If you want less moving parts, 4 SUB$ in 2 pairs will break your string
into even and odd bytes. One SUB$ with parameters (1,1) goes into a STOA,
the other SUB$ with parameters (2,100) feed the other set of SUB$. So when
you get a string in, it hits one pair of SUB$. They push one byte into
your
logic, and the rest of the string to the other set. They push one byte
into
logic and the rest of the string back to the first two. I had gotten that
far and put in the ATODs, XORs, and DTOAs to do the XOR logic, but the
SUB$
were getting too much priority over the XOR logic and nothing was getting
calculated.

On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Kool-Aid Drinker <
crug@...
wrote:
Yup. It expects the string to be checksummmed to arrive whole, and
then deals however many bytes are in that serial signal.

Having the string arrive in pieces would require extra logic, but
should be do-able.

Basic idea is: SIO and INIT break the string into analog bytes, TOGGLE
and ABUFs sort them into even and odd, ATOD decomposes the bytes, XORs
do the deed, DFFs keeps the running total, DTOA, ATOS, blah blah blah.

On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 08:03:57 -0000, "Chip" <cfm@...> wrote:


Did that account for messages of varying lengths?

- Chip


--- In Crestron@..., Kool-Aid Drinker <crug@> wrote:

Only took 51 symbols for a basic version of the checksum that started
the thread.

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Check out the Files area for useful modules, documents, and drivers.

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Database area.
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Groups Links