Re: Why does SP KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM match RMS?
On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 06:27 AM, Chuck Gelm wrote:
Chuck,
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NAOM is not going to be valid in an HR at all.? Even if YOU have a route in a forwarding record that BPQ try and process and even send to your forwarding partner because his record has that error, the next BBS along the route will not.? Most likely somewhere along the line some BBS will return the "Nowhere to route message" and you end up with an undesired route?? It might even result in matching one element, NOAM, and the message is distributed to hundreds of BBS's across NOAM instead of to PA.? Use a proper route, and teach your users proper routing.
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What is the attraction to using NAOM anywhere in the route, anyway?
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Re: Why does SP KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM match RMS?
Adding
PA.US.NAOM.NOAM
to the HR field of my forwarding neighbor caused the message to forward as hoped.
Next, find out what my neighbor BBS did with it after it arrived. :-|
73, Chuck
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Re: Why does SP KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM match RMS?
On 7/19/24 03:47, John G8BPQ wrote:
BPQMail
checks if a message is to a packet or Internet address when the
message is input. Basically a message is deemed to be an internet
address if the @ field contains a . and the last element of
the address is not a valid packet continent or country code.
NAOM is not a valid continent, so the message is routed to RMS.
There have been some messages asking why NAOM doesn't match NAOM
in the hierarchical routing config. The reason is that the
packet/internet determination is made before the message is passed
to the routing code.
73,
John
Hi, John:
Thank you.
I will add
#WPA.PA
to the HR field of my forwarding neighbor, then try:
SP KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM.NOAM
73, Chuck
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Re: Why does SP KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM match RMS?
BPQMail checks if a message is to a packet or Internet address when
the message is input. Basically a message is deemed to be an
internet address if the @ field contains a . and the last element of
the address is not a valid packet continent or country code. NAOM is
not a valid continent, so the message is routed to RMS.
There have been some messages asking why NAOM doesn't match NAOM in
the hierarchical routing config. The reason is that the
packet/internet determination is made before the message is passed
to the routing code.
73,
John
On 18/07/2024 11:37, Chuck Gelm wrote:
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240718 10:28:20 <NC8Q?????
import /home/pi/kc7mry
240718 10:28:20 >NC8Q????? SP KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM
240718 10:28:20 >NC8Q????? SP KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM
240718 10:28:20 >NC8Q????? OK
240718 10:28:20 ?NC8Q????? Msg 24795 Routing Trace To RMS Via KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM
240718 10:28:20 ?NC8Q????? Routing Trace to RMS Matches BBS RMS
I am trying to send:
SP KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM
WP Update
Original Message
> R:240718/0400Z 3082@K3CLM.#WPA.PA.USA.NOAM
LinBPQ6.0.24
>
...
> On 240717 KC7MRY/U @ KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM zip 17237 John
Mont Alto, PA
> On 240715 KC3RTU/U @ KC3RTU@KB3ICU.#CHBG.PA.USA.NOAM zip
17201 Rob Chambersbug, PA
> On 240714 KC3WUP/U @ KC3WUP@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.USA.NOAM zip
? Jeff Rion Mont Alto,? PA
...
Hi, John:
Hierarchical address:
I think your country code is USA, not US.
I think your continental code is NOAM, not NAOM.
73, Chuck
/ex
To K3CLM.#WPA.PA.USA.NOAM, but BPQ32 prefers to route it via RMS.
I put PA.US.NAOM in the HR (Personals and Directed Bulls) field
for K3CLM, but
BPQ32 still chooses the match RMS.
!
If I 'fix' the hierarchical address, the message is routed
correctly.
Why does SP KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM match
RMS?
73, Chuck
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Re: Why does SP KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM match RMS?
On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 01:35 PM, Chuck Gelm wrote:
I think the default should not be 'send everything not understood to RMS'.
I believe there are two ways for a message to be sent via internet mail from a BBS.
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1.? If you have an ISP configuration in your main BBS configuration then the message will be sent to your ISP for delivery.
2.? To your RMS for delivery.
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I believe the default is to send it to your ISP if configured, then to your RMS connection if it exists, then held due to "Nowhere to Forward."
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Hopefully John will chime in with his comments soon.
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Mark
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Re: Why does SP KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM match RMS?
On 7/18/24 09:43, Jim KY2D wrote:
Two things
to note. At first glance it looks like it goes to RMS
because you have a typo in the HA. The “US.NAOM” should be
“USA.NOAM” at the end. Unless you have a direct path to the
destination system, it won’t match any of the intermediate
stations’ forwarding rules. That makes the KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM
be treated as an internet address and thus is sent to RMS.
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On a second
read, it looks like there’s another issue. The message is
address to … .#WPA.PA.US.NAOM but you state that you put PA.US.NAOM
in the HA forwarding. That’s not a match, again leaving the
addressed to resolve to an internet address and be sent to
RMS.
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73 Jim KY2D.
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240718 10:15:13 ?NC8Q????? Msg 24792 Routing Trace To RMS Via
KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM
240718 10:15:13 ?NC8Q????? Routing Trace to RMS Matches BBS RMS
Hi, Jim:
Thanks.
This is not a typo, I did it that way, but yes, it is a mal-formed
HA. ;-)
I am learning something new about BPQ-BBS HA routing.
I have PA.US.NAOM in the HR field of a forwarding neighbor in
#WPA.PA.USA.NOAM,
So, I was trying to, at least, forward directly into #WPA.
I was expecting to see a HA routing match ~ "depth of
3"<--NAOM.US.PA.
Like:
240618 20:11:01 ?NC8Q????? Msg 23751 Routing Trace To W3PHB Via
W3PHB@W3PHB.#WPA.PA.USA.NOAM
240618 20:11:01 ?NC8Q????? Routing Trace Type P TO W3PHB VIA
W3PHB@W3PHB.#WPA.PA.USA.NOAM Route On WW NA USA PA #WPA
240618 20:11:01 ?NC8Q????? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS K3CLM Depth
5
240618 20:11:01 ?NC8Q????? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS N3MEL Depth
4
240618 20:11:01 ?NC8Q????? Routing Trace HR Best Match is K3CLM
240618 20:11:09 |K3CLM???? Connecting to BBS K3CLM
But, nooooo, with a non-standard/mal-formed HA, there is no mention
of a 'Match', so it went to RMS. :-( Grrrrr.
I still think '*.PA.US.NAOM' is a 'Match' to my K3CLM Forward.
:-|
I assume that a BBS in #WPA.PA.USA.NOAM would not have a forward to
HA: #WPA.PA.USA.NOAM,
thus the message would forward by @CALLSIGN.
Although, now I fear that K3CLM would next send the message to RMS.
Alas!
I think the default should not be 'send everything not understood to
RMS'.
73, Chuck
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Re: Why does SP KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM match RMS?
On 7/18/24 07:55, Mark Taylor wrote:
Probably because BPQ sees the error ( i.e.NAOM) as an
internet address rather than an hierarchical address.
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The clue could be in the forwarding record for the user RMS.
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Hi, Mark:
Thanks.
I (do not / did not) understand
that BPQ-BBS treats a 'no match' as forward via internet.
:-|
Baffling.
I am inserting a small image of my RMS Forward configuration.
73, Chuck
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Re: Why does SP KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM match RMS?
Two things to note. At first glance it looks like it goes to RMS because you have a typo in the HA. The “US.NAOM” should be “USA.NOAM” at the end. Unless you have a direct path to the destination system, it won’t match any of the intermediate stations’ forwarding rules. That makes the KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM be treated as an internet address and thus is sent to RMS. ? On a second read, it looks like there’s another issue. The message is address to … .#WPA.PA.US.NAOM but you state that you put PA.US.NAOM in the HA forwarding. That’s not a match, again leaving the addressed to resolve to an internet address and be sent to RMS. ? 73 Jim KY2D. ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Chuck Gelm
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2024 6:38
To: [email protected]
Subject: [bpq32] Why does SP KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM match RMS?? 240718 10:28:20 <NC8Q????? import /home/pi/kc7mry
240718 10:28:20 >NC8Q????? SP KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM
240718 10:28:20 >NC8Q????? SP KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM
240718 10:28:20 >NC8Q????? OK
240718 10:28:20 ?NC8Q????? Msg 24795 Routing Trace To RMS Via KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM
240718 10:28:20 ?NC8Q????? Routing Trace to RMS Matches BBS RMS
I am trying to send:
SP KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM
WP Update
Original Message
> R:240718/0400Z 3082@K3CLM.#WPA.PA.USA.NOAM LinBPQ6.0.24
>
...
> On 240717 KC7MRY/U @ KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM zip 17237 John Mont Alto, PA
> On 240715 KC3RTU/U @ KC3RTU@KB3ICU.#CHBG.PA.USA.NOAM zip 17201 Rob Chambersbug, PA
> On 240714 KC3WUP/U @ KC3WUP@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.USA.NOAM zip ? Jeff Rion Mont Alto,? PA
...
Hi, John:
Hierarchical address:
I think your country code is USA, not US.
I think your continental code is NOAM, not NAOM.
73, Chuck
/ex
To K3CLM.#WPA.PA.USA.NOAM, but BPQ32 prefers to route it via RMS.
I put PA.US.NAOM in the HR (Personals and Directed Bulls) field for K3CLM, but
BPQ32 still chooses the match RMS.
!
If I 'fix' the hierarchical address, the message is routed correctly.
Why does SP KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM match RMS?
73, Chuck
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Re: Why does SP KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM match RMS?
Probably because BPQ sees the error ( i.e.NAOM) as an internet address rather than an hierarchical address.
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The clue could be in the forwarding record for the user RMS.
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Why does SP KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM match RMS?
240718 10:28:20 <NC8Q????? import
/home/pi/kc7mry
240718 10:28:20 >NC8Q????? SP KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM
240718 10:28:20 >NC8Q????? SP KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM
240718 10:28:20 >NC8Q????? OK
240718 10:28:20 ?NC8Q????? Msg 24795 Routing Trace To RMS Via
KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM
240718 10:28:20 ?NC8Q????? Routing Trace to RMS Matches BBS RMS
I am trying to send:
SP KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM
WP Update
Original Message
> R:240718/0400Z 3082@K3CLM.#WPA.PA.USA.NOAM LinBPQ6.0.24
>
...
> On 240717 KC7MRY/U @ KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM zip 17237 John
Mont Alto, PA
> On 240715 KC3RTU/U @ KC3RTU@KB3ICU.#CHBG.PA.USA.NOAM zip
17201 Rob Chambersbug, PA
> On 240714 KC3WUP/U @ KC3WUP@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.USA.NOAM zip ?
Jeff Rion Mont Alto,? PA
...
Hi, John:
Hierarchical address:
I think your country code is USA, not US.
I think your continental code is NOAM, not NAOM.
73, Chuck
/ex
To K3CLM.#WPA.PA.USA.NOAM, but BPQ32 prefers to route it via RMS.
I put PA.US.NAOM in the HR (Personals and Directed Bulls) field for
K3CLM, but
BPQ32 still chooses the match RMS.
!
If I 'fix' the hierarchical address, the message is routed
correctly.
Why does SP KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM match RMS?
73, Chuck
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Glenn,
Did you set BUSYWAIT in the CONFIG section? I usually use a value of 10 (seconds). This will give up if the channel is busy for 10 seconds and go to whatever you have next.
N9SEO
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Thank you for that information. I had not seen that page before.
Brian N2KGC
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto: [email protected]] On Behalf Of Marc-Andre Alpers (DO4OA) Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2024 12:43 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [bpq32] 6pack in bpq ? Hello Brain! No. SMACK ist only KISS with CRC. Am 17.07.24 um 17:56 schrieb Brian Webster N2KGC via groups.io: For what it’s worth X-Net has a SMACK eprom image for the TNC that
needs to be used when running that node OS. Since X-Net is both NetROM
and FlexNet compatible I assume that SMACK is similar to 6PACK -- Mit freundlichen Grü?en Marc-Andre Alpers DO4OA Verschlüsselte Mails bevorzugt. PGP KeyID: 0x8EBD67E7C6354019 Wenn Du meinst, Privatsph?re ist egal, nur weil Du nichts zu verbergen hast, kannst Du genauso behaupten, Redefreiheit ist egal, nur weil Du nichts zu sagen hast! - Edward Snowden
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On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 12:01 PM, Brian Webster N2KGC wrote:
The one drawback to TNC’s being daisy chained together on a single serial port, is that in one of the TNC’s stops working in the chain, ALL of the TNC’s on that serial port stop working.
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Worth noting is that the speed of the serial port needs to be at least the sum of all the TNC’s serial ports in the daisy chain. This would suggest that your serial port speed should be set to the same as your on air speed because if you had 4 TNC’s in a chain where the serial speed was set to 9600 baud, the computer serial port would have to have a speed of 9600 x 4.
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Brian N2KGC
Yes I agree the "if one goes they all go" is a definite draw back with daisy chain topology.?
But, on the flip side if your running your node on Raspi you can now run a multi channel TNC system with nothing but the built in hardware(/dev/ttyAMA0) UART*.?
No more needing to mess with USB rs232 dongles or HAT's.? And the pi hardware UART can do at least 921,600 baud, so you could build quite a tall stack of TNC's even at 9600 radio speed :)?
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73
Chris K1MAL
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*The pi hardware UART is 3.3v on the GPIO pins. You need to use a max232 chip or breakout board from amazon/ebay to match the pi to the rs232 levels on the tnc.?
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Re: AX.25 protocoll error?
F (Frack)
Default: 500
Possible parameters: 1…15000
?Frack“ is the maximum waiting time between the transmission of a packet and the confirmation by the distant station. (Afterwards a request back will be sent). With “The Firmware“ Frack is implemented as a dynamic “Round Trip Timer“ which adapts to the actual channel activities. The value set with the F-command serves as the start value for the automatism.
The time can be entered directly in seconds. With entries < 16 the value will be multiplied with 100 and then divided by 2. Entries > 15 are directly interpreted as milliseconds (L2-?Round Trip Time“).
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my observation is
frack can be to high
too me it can open a placeholder for injection.
if the injection is a fit the injection can be anything?
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? frack waits and responds to just about anything responding?
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yes frack is an injection invite?
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Ahhh My focus is bring back wampes. ?Thanks for the post OA. N9pno? George Kirn had contact with this data.
On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 11:43?AM Marc-Andre Alpers (DO4OA) via <do4oa= [email protected]> wrote:
Hello Brain!
No. SMACK ist only KISS with CRC.
Am 17.07.24 um 17:56 schrieb Brian Webster N2KGC via :
> For what it’s worth X-Net has a SMACK eprom image for the TNC that needs to be
> used when running that node OS. Since X-Net is both NetROM and FlexNet
> compatible I assume that SMACK is similar to 6PACK
--
Mit freundlichen Grü?en
Marc-Andre Alpers DO4OA
Verschlüsselte Mails bevorzugt. PGP KeyID: 0x8EBD67E7C6354019
Wenn Du meinst, Privatsph?re ist egal, nur weil Du nichts zu verbergen hast,
kannst Du genauso behaupten, Redefreiheit ist egal, nur weil Du nichts zu
sagen hast! - Edward Snowden
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Hello Brain!
No. SMACK ist only KISS with CRC.
Am 17.07.24 um 17:56 schrieb Brian Webster N2KGC via groups.io:
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For what it’s worth X-Net has a SMACK eprom image for the TNC that needs to be used when running that node OS. Since X-Net is both NetROM and FlexNet compatible I assume that SMACK is similar to 6PACK
--
Mit freundlichen Grü?en
Marc-Andre Alpers DO4OA
Verschlüsselte Mails bevorzugt. PGP KeyID: 0x8EBD67E7C6354019
Wenn Du meinst, Privatsph?re ist egal, nur weil Du nichts zu verbergen hast,
kannst Du genauso behaupten, Redefreiheit ist egal, nur weil Du nichts zu
sagen hast! - Edward Snowden
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The one drawback to TNC’s being daisy chained together on a single serial port, is that in one of the TNC’s stops working in the chain, ALL of the TNC’s on that serial port stop working. ? Worth noting is that the speed of the serial port needs to be at least the sum of all the TNC’s serial ports in the daisy chain. This would suggest that your serial port speed should be set to the same as your on air speed because if you had 4 TNC’s in a chain where the serial speed was set to 9600 baud, the computer serial port would have to have a speed of 9600 x 4. ? Brian N2KGC ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris K1MAL via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2024 10:33 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [bpq32] 6pack in bpq ? ? I uploaded the linux source code for the driver, and (the translated) web pages from the old German flexnet site in case anyone wants to take it on.? I found it in archive.org's wayback machine. I also included the 6pack eprom in the zip file. /g/bpq32/files/6pack_info.zip I think the coolest thing about 6pack is the way you can daisy chain TNC's via just their RS232's TX and RX's together in series like a token ring network. Doing this lets lets you run multiple TNC's on one rs232 PC port?
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It would be awesome if we could get the 6Pack features in to sound modem drivers of some sort! Having all AX.25 being able to adapt to the channel loading conditions to maximize channel throughput would really help to improve the network capacities. Since AX.25 is carrier sense protocol, having some features to adapt the packets to the channel traffic load would be great. Being able to do it in a drive and not require a TNC with a special eprom would be fantastic. Anything that makes the AX.25 traffic more efficient is a good thing. ? The rate adaption to the channel traffic load is one of the features I liked about FlexNet. It helps get the most out of a RF channel. John if you can write drivers for soundmodem that can improve all things AX.25 where people can build packet nodes without hardware TNC’s the whole packet ecosystem would greatly benefit. ? For what it’s worth X-Net has a SMACK eprom image for the TNC that needs to be used when running that node OS. Since X-Net is both NetROM and FlexNet compatible I assume that SMACK is similar to 6PACK ? Brian N2KGC ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John G8BPQ
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2024 7:31 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [bpq32] 6pack in bpq ?? Yes, multiple TNCs on a serial port are supported by the BPQKISS EPROM. Although I'd heard of 6pack I'd never looked closely at it. The 6pack protocol, even if not used for controlling? more than one TNC, seems to give the host much better control of channel access, as the channel status (DCD) is passed to the host and PTT timing is controlled by the host. This could improve ax.25 protocol timing and facilitate interlocking ax.25 and other protocols on the same radio. I think it will be worth me looking into adding a 6pack driver to BPQ and 6pack protocol support to QtSoundModem. Thanks, Chris for bringing this to my attention. 73, John ? On 17/07/2024 07:47, Danny Oudendag wrote: This can be done with bpqkiss also.. works great,did run 3 tiny-2 this way on one com port. ? Op 17 jul. 2024 04:33 schreef "Chris K1 MAL via groups.io" <radiochris@...>: I uploaded the linux source code for the driver, and (the translated) web pages from the old German flexnet site in case anyone wants to take it on.? I found it in archive.org's wayback machine. I also included the 6pack eprom in the zip file. I think the coolest thing about 6pack is the way you can daisy chain TNC's via just their RS232's TX and RX's together in series like a token ring network. Doing this lets lets you run multiple TNC's on one rs232 PC port.? ?
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6pack can be setup on the AX.25 Packet LAN as a Token ring with one node being the DAMA master, and all the others slaves. I this is good for busy channels. If someone wants a real challenge the linux kernel space driver would cause an instant kernel panic, but this may be ok now that they have fixed the linux ax.25 kernel space bugs. I have not tested my new setup with 6pack yet. -73 de Chris KQ6UP On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 4:30?AM John G8BPQ via groups.io <john.wiseman@...> wrote:
Yes, multiple TNCs on a serial port are supported by the BPQKISS EPROM.
Although I'd heard of 6pack I'd never looked closely at it. The 6pack protocol, even if not used for controlling more than one TNC, seems to give the host much better control of channel access, as the channel status (DCD) is passed to the host and PTT timing is controlled by the host. This could improve ax.25 protocol timing and facilitate interlocking ax.25 and other protocols on the same radio.
I think it will be worth me looking into adding a 6pack driver to BPQ and 6pack protocol support to QtSoundModem.
Thanks, Chris for bringing this to my attention.
73, John
On 17/07/2024 07:47, Danny Oudendag wrote:
This can be done with bpqkiss also.. works great,did run 3 tiny-2 this way on one com port.
Op 17 jul. 2024 04:33 schreef "Chris K1 MAL via groups.io" <radiochris@...>:
I uploaded the linux source code for the driver, and (the translated) web pages from the old German flexnet site in case anyone wants to take it on.
I found it in archive.org's wayback machine. I also included the 6pack eprom in the zip file.
/g/bpq32/files/6pack_info.zip
I think the coolest thing about 6pack is the way you can daisy chain TNC's via just their RS232's TX and RX's together in series like a token ring network. Doing this lets lets you run multiple TNC's on one rs232 PC port.
73
Chris K1MAL
-- Thanks, Chris Maness
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Yes, multiple TNCs on a serial port are supported by the BPQKISS
EPROM.
Although I'd heard of 6pack I'd never looked closely at it. The
6pack protocol, even if not used for controlling? more than one
TNC, seems to give the host much better control of channel access,
as the channel status (DCD) is passed to the host and PTT timing
is controlled by the host. This could improve ax.25 protocol
timing and facilitate interlocking ax.25 and other protocols on
the same radio.
I think it will be worth me looking into adding a 6pack driver to
BPQ and 6pack protocol support to QtSoundModem.
Thanks, Chris for bringing this to my attention.
73, John
On 17/07/2024 07:47, Danny Oudendag
wrote:
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This can be done with bpqkiss also.. works
great,did run 3 tiny-2 this way on one com port.
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Brian Webster N2KGC
N9PNO