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Hi Ray and fellow RO9ers, Can anyone provide a short, simple definition of Replacement Theology and problems that may arise if following this school of thought?
Re the narrative of the Rich Man and Lazarus, Drs David Jeremiah and Chuck Missler, amongst others, including our Ray S, suggest that this is no parable, but that it actually happened. If so, it does shed light for me on problematic passages e.g. Christ's words to the thief on the cross. However, a reason given to exclude the story from parable status is that parables don't use given names - hence the poor man is Lazarus. Why, then, is the chief character not also named??
Furthermore, the narrative would indicate that judgement occurs at the moment of death, not at the resurrection and before ourJudge's Throne? I have some perhaps ideas on this, but would appreciate further thoughts.
PS Is the meaning of Lazarus' name significant in the context of the story?
Look forward eagerly to Ruth part 2.
Keep well, everyone, Christine
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Hi Christine My bible dictionary gives the following explanation: “Dives.( From the Latin for wealth), a term that became attached to the name of the rich man in the parable of Lazarus and the rich man (Luke 16: 19-31) because of its use in the Vulgate, a Latin translation of the Bible”. Peter
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Hi Peter and Christine,
Thanks for both the question and the interesting answer.? This is a great example of the differences between religions that have arisen over several thousand years.? Peter, your bible dictionary is correct but completely Catholic-centered.
The name?Λαζαροσ (Lazaros) is the Greek version of the Hebrew?????? (Eleazar), which means "whom God helped/helps."? It occurs 15 times in the New Testament in connection with two people, the beggar in Luke 16 and the brother of Mary and Martha whom Jesus raised from the dead in John 11.???The meaning of the name
applies to both.
Bible-believing scholars state that named
people were real and parables don’t actually give their characters names.? It’s interesting that Luke 16:20 introduces
the beggar Lazarus by saying, “And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, ….”? This certainly seems to reinforce that
a real person is being discussed.
The Hebrew Eleazar is another interesting
case.? It occurs 74 times in 71 verses,
two times in Matthews’s genealogy and the rest in the OT.? What makes this interesting is where his name
isn’t used, in Genesis 24 where Abraham’s unnamed servant is sent to find a bride for
Isaac.? This is widely seen as a prophecy
of the New Testament with Abraham representing God, Isaac as the Son, the unnamed servant
as the Holy Spirit, and Rebekah as the Son’s bride, the Christians.? Three times the servant bows and worships the
Lord.? Told to go to Abraham’s family to
seek the bride, instead, he goes to a well and prays for the first girl who
provides him water. ?He initiates the
contact.? When she does not just pass his
test (“Give me water”) she obliterates it (she waters his camels as well), he
gives her a nose ring weighing a half-shekel (the temple tax given to
God).? Of course, it also turns out that she is from Abraham's family after all.? Any rate, the whole chapter promotes
the concept that this is prophetic.?? Fair enough, so what?
Well,
it turns out that we find in Genesis 15:2 that if he goes childless, his chief
servant, Eliezer/Eleazor is his heir.?
So, Christine, is the name meaningful?? Thanks to Peter, I can say, "yessir, yessir (or ma'am), three bags full!"
Blessings,
Ray
On Tuesday, 4 August 2020, 11:47:54 am AEST, Peter L <peterlonsdale1@...> wrote:
Hi Christine My bible dictionary gives the following explanation: “Dives.( From the Latin for wealth), a term that became attached to the name of the rich man in the parable of Lazarus and the rich man (Luke 16: 19-31) because of its use in the Vulgate, a Latin translation of the Bible”. Peter
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I intended to include this question with the earlier two: ?Ray, with your extensive, detailed investigations into strengths and weaknesses of various English translations of the Scriptures, could you, please, comment on The Recovery Version?
I've been given a copy by a Christian, who in turn was given it by another Christian! It is disseminated by an American nfp organisation called Bibles for Australia. It's generous of this group to send us free Bibles - they are not to be sold - but l wonder if they are reaching the intended recipients!
This version appears to be linked with a Living Waters church and a Watchman Nee.
Thanks, Christine
Hi Ray and fellow RO9ers, Can anyone provide a short, simple definition of Replacement Theology and problems that may arise if following this school of thought?
Re the narrative of the Rich Man and Lazarus, Drs David Jeremiah and Chuck Missler, amongst others, including our Ray S, suggest that this is no parable, but that it actually happened. If so, it does shed light for me on problematic passages e.g. Christ's words to the thief on the cross. However, a reason given to exclude the story from parable status is that parables don't use given names - hence the poor man is Lazarus. Why, then, is the chief character not also named??
Furthermore, the narrative would indicate that judgement occurs at the moment of death, not at the resurrection and before ourJudge's Throne? I have some perhaps ideas on this, but would appreciate further thoughts.
PS Is the meaning of Lazarus' name significant in the context of the story?
Look forward eagerly to Ruth part 2.
Keep well, everyone, Christine
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Thanks, Peter, I appreciate your?help in answering my question. I wonder, though, whether Dives was intended to be read as a given name, or rather to be understood as an identifying description, which would then lean towards categorisation of the story as parable??
Hi Christine My bible dictionary gives the following explanation: “Dives.( From the Latin for wealth), a term that became attached to the name of the rich man in the parable of Lazarus and the rich man (Luke 16: 19-31) because of its use in the Vulgate, a Latin translation of the Bible”. Peter
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Ray