Re: Question on the Synoptic Gospel problem - an academic Quagmire
Hello Ray,
WOW!!!!!!!!!?what a response to my question. I have read your three and half page explanation of document Q several times and I now have a full understanding of the theory.I agree with you that the theory does not change any of ?my Christian beliefs and I doubt that there is or was this hypothetical Document Q.?
I also read the two academic papers attached to your email. They are very complicated and I although I gained an impression of the arguments I certainly would not pass any examination on their contents.After reading these articles I again read your three and a half page explanation of document Q to clarify my thoughts.
The whole exercise has reinforced to me that?a little knowledge is dangerous thing.?I don’t remember where I read about document Q but obviously I did not really understand what the theory of document Q was all about.
?Your explanation raises another question that I will submit separately to avoid confusion. As always, thanks for all the work you have done in preparing your response.
?Blessings ,
?Ian
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THE SYNOPTIC GOSPEL PROBLEM
– AN ACADEMIC QUAGMIRE G’day all, Although U3A Class R09
is on hiatus over Term 2, 2022, the discussion forum and website are still
open.? Please feel free to comment on or
ask anything.? This email addresses the following query: QUESTION FROM A
PARTICIPANT:
We don’t know who actually wrote the synoptic gospels whether it
was the disciples themselves or their scribes. Some books I have read written
by bible scholars refer to a hypothetical document “Q”.? This mystery document is supposed to be the
first ever written account of the synoptic gospels and these accounts have been
copied,? translated and modified down through the ages. Whether the theory
is that there were three documents “Q “, one for each disciple, or just one, I
am not sure.? I would appreciate your opinion on how the very first accounts
of each of the synoptic gospels have been identified and your thoughts on a
document or documents “Q”
Further to the preliminary answer provided a week or so ago, I have attached a 3-1/2 page PDF response (with lots of graphics) entitled "What About Q.pdf".
In addition, two academic papers are attached for those who may want to look deeper.?
- “The Lost?Gospel Of Q—Fact Or Fantasy?” by Dr. Eta Linnemann - educated among the very heart of the beast that originated this heresy (for that's what it is), she rebelled against the theory and gives a cogent discussion in this lengthy paper.? For the record, she published a shorter paper in the Biblical Archaeology Review that despite my membership I was unable to download.
- “The
Gospel of Q: A Public Domain Translation” by Dr. Mark Mattison.? This academic paper on the pro-Q side saves you from wading through all the convoluted jargon and gives you a look in English at what the Q-source issue is all about.
I really enjoyed doing this research.? Thanks heaps for the question.? I hope that I've answered your query okay.
Blessings,
Ray? Tutor U3A E09
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Re: Question on "tribulation for ten days" in Revelation 2:10 (Smyrna)
Thank you, Ray, for the detailed reply - it gives greater depth to my understanding of the passage - appreciated.
I also asked my pastor and his conclusion was similar to yours, except that he used the Daniel 1:12 passage mentioned by Barclay.
I feel blessed that l can apply to two such knowledgeable sources for help with further understanding the Scriptures.
Re further study topics later in the year, is Isaiah too big an undertaking? It is a big ask, l daresay.
Enjoy the rest of this rather damp week Christine
Hi Christine,
Thanks for the great
question.? As usual, I'll provide the answer you asked for as well as a
lot of additional information that makes the point. Details are included in the attached PDF.
First, "ten days" likely
has little or nothing to do with the spiritual meaning of the number ten.?
As you'll see, there is nothing "ordinally perfect" in the various
explanations of the "ten" which commentators have long debated.
There are four general
explanations (and a host of best-forgotten other ones which I've omitted):
- Noted Scottish theologian Wiliam
Barclay wrote,?“The expression?ten days?is not
to be taken literally; it is the normal Greek expression for a short time.”??This is confirmed in Thayer's
Greek Lexicon: G1176 deka; (1) a primary number;
ten; (2) i.e., to last a short time: Revelation 2:10; cf. Daniel 1:12, 14; Numbers
11:19.
? ? - The plain text indicates that Jesus
was warning certain Smyrnaeans that they would be imprisoned for ten days.? Prison then was for those awaiting trial and execution,
not for rehabilitation.? They could
expect tribulation because of this satanic persecution, but their pain was
measured and limited by God and their reward for being faithful until death is
the victor’s crown (stephanos) of (eternal) life.
Please refer to the attached PDF for further information.
? ? - Some commentators (Clarke) think
that Jesus was using “prophetic days,” where each day corresponds to a
year.? Hence, they read the term to mean “ten
years of tribulation.”
Please refer to the attached PDF for analysis.??
? ? - The next theory about “ten years”
posits that Jesus meant persecution over the reign of ten Roman Emperors, from
Nero through Diocletian. This theory was set
out in John Foxe’s highly influential Acts and Monuments aka Book of
Martyrs (1563) and is still popular today.
Please refer to the attached PDF for analysis and table setting out the Ten Roman Persecutions.
Conclusion:?
There is no compelling reason to think
that Jesus was giving a coded message about the length of Domitian’s
persecution or ten emperors or whatever.?
It seems most likely that He said what He meant, that Christians are not promised to be kept from persecution, but we will
be kept through persecution and it will be for a limited time (that we can
endure). Blessings,
Ray
U3A R09 Tutor
Hi Ray
Thank you for the good wishes for Mothers' Day.
Question re church at Smyrna :
Rev 2:10
'...Behold, the devil is about to cast some of you into prison, so that you will be tested, and you will have tribulation for ten days.'
Please, Ray, what is your understanding of the significance of 'ten days'?
I understand that in Hebrew this number represents numerical perfection but does that have bearing in this context?
You may well have commented on this when covering Revelation in semester 2 2019, but l was unable to attend R09 at that time.
Thanks for your ever readiness to give interesting and helpful responses to our queries
Christine
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Question on the Synoptic Gospel problem - an academic Quagmire
THE SYNOPTIC GOSPEL PROBLEM
– AN ACADEMIC QUAGMIRE
G’day all,
Although U3A Class R09
is on hiatus over Term 2, 2022, the discussion forum and website are still
open.? Please feel free to comment on or
ask anything.? This email addresses the following query:
QUESTION FROM A
PARTICIPANT:
We don’t know who actually wrote the synoptic gospels whether it
was the disciples themselves or their scribes. Some books I have read written
by bible scholars refer to a hypothetical document “Q”.? This mystery document is supposed to be the
first ever written account of the synoptic gospels and these accounts have been
copied,? translated and modified down through the ages. Whether the theory
is that there were three documents “Q “, one for each disciple, or just one, I
am not sure.?
I would appreciate your opinion on how the very first accounts
of each of the synoptic gospels have been identified and your thoughts on a
document or documents “Q”
Further to the preliminary answer provided a week or so ago, I have attached a 3-1/2 page PDF response (with lots of graphics) entitled "What About Q.pdf".
In addition, two academic papers are attached for those who may want to look deeper.?
- “The Lost?Gospel Of Q—Fact Or Fantasy?” by Dr. Eta Linnemann - educated among the very heart of the beast that originated this heresy (for that's what it is), she rebelled against the theory and gives a cogent discussion in this lengthy paper.? For the record, she published a shorter paper in the Biblical Archaeology Review that despite my membership I was unable to download.
- “The
Gospel of Q: A Public Domain Translation” by Dr. Mark Mattison.? This academic paper on the pro-Q side saves you from wading through all the convoluted jargon and gives you a look in English at what the Q-source issue is all about.
I really enjoyed doing this research.? Thanks heaps for the question.? I hope that I've answered your query okay.
Blessings,
Ray? Tutor U3A E09
|
Re: Q&A: Why Jesus linked John with Mary at the Cross
Hi Merlene,
Thanks for your feedback on the Mothers' Day email about Mary.?
In the many years that I've attended church, no one ever brought up how closely related the Galileans (including Jesus) were.? Knowing that can add a dimension or two to our scriptural understanding... if only to show us how much most people in our modern world have lost.? Perhaps there's a real lesson there for congregations that want to survive the coming hard(er) times.
Blessings,
Ray
On Tuesday, 10 May 2022, 03:40:16 pm AEST, Merlene <merlene@...> wrote:
Hi Ray,
?
Thank you for continuing to “feed” us with gems from the Bible.
?
I’ve never considered the reason why Jesus chose John rather than his
half-brothers, to take over the role of caring for his mother. As you so aptly
pointed out, John was the only person who could do it. Like your surmise, I
believe John was given a long life because he was faithful to Jesus’ charge to
care for Mary. As long as she was alive, John would also be alive.
?
I was very moved by your email, and thank you for the time you give to us
to expand such things.
Blessings to you and all,
Merlene
From: Ray via groups.io
Sent: Friday, May 6, 2022 1:51 PM
Subject: [b4uc] Q&A: Why Jesus linked John with Mary at the
Cross
While
the U3A course R09 "What the Bible is about" is on hiatus, our discussion board
is still available to discuss biblical issues. As we approach Mother's Day,
a
question came up in the course of some emails that I'd like to share with you.
Question
Why did Jesus give
custodianship of His mother, Mary, to his disciple John, instead of to his
brother(s)?
One
of the "throw-away" facts included in the New Testament that tends to pass
without analysis is John 19:26-27 where Jesus, on the cusp of death on the
Cross, directed the Apostle John, His (first) cousin, to take of His mother,
Mary, despite the fact that Mary had at least four living sons per Matthew
13:55.?
John, as the youngest of the Twelve, would likely have been younger than at
least some, if not all, of Mary's sons.
The
Roman Catholic Church doesn't have a problem with this since they declared Mary
ever-virgin (this is a topic in itself) and assigned Jesus' half-brothers to a
mother or mothers other than Mary, either a sister of Mary or an earlier wife or
wives of Joseph. However, with their focus on sola scriptura (the Bible
as the sole authority), the Protestant reformers recognized that scripture only
required belief in the virgin birth, but was silent on perpetual
virginity.? Some early reformers like Luther and Zwingli who had been
Catholic priests held on to the idea of perpetual virginity, but Protestantism
largely rejects it.
I'll
address this question from the scriptural (Protestant)
perspective.
John
19:26-27 states, "When Jesus
therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to
His mother, 'Woman, behold your son!'? Then He said to
the disciple, 'Behold your mother!' And from that hour that disciple took her to
his own home."
|
English (KJV) |
Strong's |
Greek Root |
Tense | |
mother
|
g3384
|
μ?τηρ
尘ē迟ē谤
|
1)?????
a mother
2)?????
metaphor. the source of something
| |
behold
|
g2400
|
?δο?
idou
|
behold, see,
lo
| |
son!
|
g5207
|
υ???
huios
|
1)???
a son
???? d)?????
in a wider sense, a descendant, one of the
posterity of any one of,
??????????
1)?????
the children of Israel
??????????
2)?????
sons of Abraham
???? e)?? used to describe one who depends on
another or is his follower
??????????
1)?????
a pupil
3)????
son of God
????? b)???
used to describe those who are born again (Lk.
20:36) and of angels and of Jesus Christ
????? c)????
of those whom God esteems as sons, whom he loves,
protects and benefits above others
???????????
1)?????
in the OT used of the Jews
???????????
2)?????
in the NT of Christians
???????????
3)?????
those whose character God, as a loving father,
shapes by chastisements (Heb. 12:5-8)
????? d)??? those who revere God as their father,
the pious worshippers of God, those who in character and life resemble
God, those who are governed by the Spirit of God, repose the same calm and
joyful trust in God that children do in their parents (Rom. 8:14, Gal.
3:26 ), and hereafter in the blessedness and glory of the life eternal
will openly wear this dignity of the sons of God. A term used preeminently
of Jesus Christ, as enjoying the supreme love of God, united to him in
affectionate intimacy, privy to his saving councils, obedient to the
Father's will in all his acts
|
Rationale
The majority of Protestant commentators suggest Jesus,
Mary's first-born son, established the relationship re-alignments noted in John
19:26-27 because none of Mary’s other sons were Christians at the time.? As
an aside, this is supported by the Bible Codes, where equidistant letter
sequence (ELS) codes that underlay Isaiah 53 (a prophecy of His trial and
crucifixion) include all names noted in the New Testament to be present at the
crucifixion but exclude the names of His brethren James, Joses, Simon, and Judas
(Jude) (Matthew 13:55).
Mary was
already a widow; it is probable from reading the Gospels that Joseph was no
longer living and that Jesus her firstborn had been her primary support.?
Thus from the Cross Jesus was transferring His duty to maintain His Mother into
the care of John, the only disciple still standing by Him (others would return
later).? This was a tremendous honour to John, as he well knew being
“the disciple whom Jesus loved.”? “Hearken
unto thy father that begat thee, and despise not thy mother when she is
old.” (Proverb 23:22)
In addition,
Jesus’ brothers were not as yet believers and thus were not suitable for
assuming Jesus’ role.? Furthermore, although at least James and Jude became
believers after the Resurrection (see the Books of James and Jude and 2 John
1:4), James was to be murdered well before Mary’s death.? Witness the
prophecy of Isaiah 51:18, “There is none to guide her among all the sons whom
she hath brought forth; neither is there any that taketh her by the hand of all
the sons that she hath brought up.”
In the end,
Mary stayed in John’s house, first in Jerusalem and later in Ephesus, as may be
observed in the Second Epistle of John, which is a loving letter from John to
his “mother”, the Elect Lady in Ephesus.? “Grace be with you, mercy, and
peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the
Father, in truth and love.” (2 John 1:3)? What comfort these words
would have been to Mary, reminding her of God’s special gift to her those many
years ago, but also reminding her of her duty to posterity.
While some
speculate that Jesus knew that John would be the only disciple (or brother) to
live longer than Mary, may I speculate that perhaps his caring role for Mary was
the reason why he lived so long?? In brief, without Jesus’ act spelled out
in John 19:26-27, the full New Testament Canon would not have been complete, and
2 John could not have been written.
Please enjoy your
Mothers' Day 2022 this Sunday,
Blessings,
Ray
Ray Sarlin, Tutor U3A
R09
|
Re: Q&A: Why Jesus linked John with Mary at the Cross
Hi Ray,
?
Thank you for continuing to “feed” us with gems from the Bible.
?
I’ve never considered the reason why Jesus chose John rather than his
half-brothers, to take over the role of caring for his mother. As you so aptly
pointed out, John was the only person who could do it. Like your surmise, I
believe John was given a long life because he was faithful to Jesus’ charge to
care for Mary. As long as she was alive, John would also be alive.
?
I was very moved by your email, and thank you for the time you give to us
to expand such things.
Blessings to you and all,
Merlene
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From: Ray via groups.io
Sent: Friday, May 6, 2022 1:51 PM
Subject: [b4uc] Q&A: Why Jesus linked John with Mary at the
Cross
?
While
the U3A course R09 "What the Bible is about" is on hiatus, our discussion board
is still available to discuss biblical issues. As we approach Mother's Day,
a
question came up in the course of some emails that I'd like to share with you.
Question
Why did Jesus give
custodianship of His mother, Mary, to his disciple John, instead of to his
brother(s)?
One
of the "throw-away" facts included in the New Testament that tends to pass
without analysis is John 19:26-27 where Jesus, on the cusp of death on the
Cross, directed the Apostle John, His (first) cousin, to take of His mother,
Mary, despite the fact that Mary had at least four living sons per Matthew
13:55.?
John, as the youngest of the Twelve, would likely have been younger than at
least some, if not all, of Mary's sons.
The
Roman Catholic Church doesn't have a problem with this since they declared Mary
ever-virgin (this is a topic in itself) and assigned Jesus' half-brothers to a
mother or mothers other than Mary, either a sister of Mary or an earlier wife or
wives of Joseph. However, with their focus on sola scriptura (the Bible
as the sole authority), the Protestant reformers recognized that scripture only
required belief in the virgin birth, but was silent on perpetual
virginity.? Some early reformers like Luther and Zwingli who had been
Catholic priests held on to the idea of perpetual virginity, but Protestantism
largely rejects it.
I'll
address this question from the scriptural (Protestant)
perspective.
John
19:26-27 states, "When Jesus
therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to
His mother, 'Woman, behold your son!'? Then He said to
the disciple, 'Behold your mother!' And from that hour that disciple took her to
his own home."
|
English (KJV) |
Strong's |
Greek Root |
Tense |
|
mother
|
g3384
|
μ?τηρ
尘ē迟ē谤
|
1)?????
a mother
2)?????
metaphor. the source of something
|
|
behold
|
g2400
|
?δο?
idou
|
behold, see,
lo
|
|
son!
|
g5207
|
υ???
huios
|
1)???
a son
???? d)?????
in a wider sense, a descendant, one of the
posterity of any one of,
??????????
1)?????
the children of Israel
??????????
2)?????
sons of Abraham
???? e)?? used to describe one who depends on
another or is his follower
??????????
1)?????
a pupil
3)????
son of God
????? b)???
used to describe those who are born again (Lk.
20:36) and of angels and of Jesus Christ
????? c)????
of those whom God esteems as sons, whom he loves,
protects and benefits above others
???????????
1)?????
in the OT used of the Jews
???????????
2)?????
in the NT of Christians
???????????
3)?????
those whose character God, as a loving father,
shapes by chastisements (Heb. 12:5-8)
????? d)??? those who revere God as their father,
the pious worshippers of God, those who in character and life resemble
God, those who are governed by the Spirit of God, repose the same calm and
joyful trust in God that children do in their parents (Rom. 8:14, Gal.
3:26 ), and hereafter in the blessedness and glory of the life eternal
will openly wear this dignity of the sons of God. A term used preeminently
of Jesus Christ, as enjoying the supreme love of God, united to him in
affectionate intimacy, privy to his saving councils, obedient to the
Father's will in all his acts
|
Rationale
The majority of Protestant commentators suggest Jesus,
Mary's first-born son, established the relationship re-alignments noted in John
19:26-27 because none of Mary’s other sons were Christians at the time.? As
an aside, this is supported by the Bible Codes, where equidistant letter
sequence (ELS) codes that underlay Isaiah 53 (a prophecy of His trial and
crucifixion) include all names noted in the New Testament to be present at the
crucifixion but exclude the names of His brethren James, Joses, Simon, and Judas
(Jude) (Matthew 13:55).
Mary was
already a widow; it is probable from reading the Gospels that Joseph was no
longer living and that Jesus her firstborn had been her primary support.?
Thus from the Cross Jesus was transferring His duty to maintain His Mother into
the care of John, the only disciple still standing by Him (others would return
later).? This was a tremendous honour to John, as he well knew being
“the disciple whom Jesus loved.”? “Hearken
unto thy father that begat thee, and despise not thy mother when she is
old.” (Proverb 23:22)
In addition,
Jesus’ brothers were not as yet believers and thus were not suitable for
assuming Jesus’ role.? Furthermore, although at least James and Jude became
believers after the Resurrection (see the Books of James and Jude and 2 John
1:4), James was to be murdered well before Mary’s death.? Witness the
prophecy of Isaiah 51:18, “There is none to guide her among all the sons whom
she hath brought forth; neither is there any that taketh her by the hand of all
the sons that she hath brought up.”
In the end,
Mary stayed in John’s house, first in Jerusalem and later in Ephesus, as may be
observed in the Second Epistle of John, which is a loving letter from John to
his “mother”, the Elect Lady in Ephesus.? “Grace be with you, mercy, and
peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the
Father, in truth and love.” (2 John 1:3)? What comfort these words
would have been to Mary, reminding her of God’s special gift to her those many
years ago, but also reminding her of her duty to posterity.
While some
speculate that Jesus knew that John would be the only disciple (or brother) to
live longer than Mary, may I speculate that perhaps his caring role for Mary was
the reason why he lived so long?? In brief, without Jesus’ act spelled out
in John 19:26-27, the full New Testament Canon would not have been complete, and
2 John could not have been written.
Please enjoy your
Mothers' Day 2022 this Sunday,
Blessings,
Ray
Ray Sarlin, Tutor U3A
R09
|
Question on "tribulation for ten days" in Revelation 2:10 (Smyrna)
Hi Christine,
Thanks for the great
question.? As usual, I'll provide the answer you asked for as well as a
lot of additional information that makes the point. Details are included in the attached PDF.
First, "ten days" likely
has little or nothing to do with the spiritual meaning of the number ten.?
As you'll see, there is nothing "ordinally perfect" in the various
explanations of the "ten" which commentators have long debated.
There are four general
explanations (and a host of best-forgotten other ones which I've omitted):
- Noted Scottish theologian Wiliam
Barclay wrote,?“The expression?ten days?is not
to be taken literally; it is the normal Greek expression for a short time.”??This is confirmed in Thayer's
Greek Lexicon: G1176 deka; (1) a primary number;
ten; (2) i.e., to last a short time: Revelation 2:10; cf. Daniel 1:12, 14; Numbers
11:19.
? ? - The plain text indicates that Jesus
was warning certain Smyrnaeans that they would be imprisoned for ten days.? Prison then was for those awaiting trial and execution,
not for rehabilitation.? They could
expect tribulation because of this satanic persecution, but their pain was
measured and limited by God and their reward for being faithful until death is
the victor’s crown (stephanos) of (eternal) life.
Please refer to the attached PDF for further information.
? ? - Some commentators (Clarke) think
that Jesus was using “prophetic days,” where each day corresponds to a
year.? Hence, they read the term to mean “ten
years of tribulation.”
Please refer to the attached PDF for analysis.??
? ? - The next theory about “ten years”
posits that Jesus meant persecution over the reign of ten Roman Emperors, from
Nero through Diocletian. This theory was set
out in John Foxe’s highly influential Acts and Monuments aka Book of
Martyrs (1563) and is still popular today.
Please refer to the attached PDF for analysis and table setting out the Ten Roman Persecutions.
Conclusion:?
There is no compelling reason to think
that Jesus was giving a coded message about the length of Domitian’s
persecution or ten emperors or whatever.?
It seems most likely that He said what He meant, that Christians are not promised to be kept from persecution, but we will
be kept through persecution and it will be for a limited time (that we can
endure). Blessings,
Ray
U3A R09 Tutor
On Monday, 9 May 2022, 03:15:27 pm AEST, Christine <cjmcfadyen46@...> wrote:
Hi Ray
Thank you for the good wishes for Mothers' Day.
Question re church at Smyrna :
Rev 2:10
'...Behold, the devil is about to cast some of you into prison, so that you will be tested, and you will have tribulation for ten days.'
Please, Ray, what is your understanding of the significance of 'ten days'?
I understand that in Hebrew this number represents numerical perfection but does that have bearing in this context?
You may well have commented on this when covering Revelation in semester 2 2019, but l was unable to attend R09 at that time.
Thanks for your ever readiness to give interesting and helpful responses to our queries
Christine
|
Hi Ray
Thank you for the good wishes for Mothers' Day.
Question re church at Smyrna :
Rev 2:10
'...Behold, the devil is about to cast some of you into prison, so that you will be tested, and you will have tribulation for ten days.'
Please, Ray, what is your understanding of the significance of 'ten days'?
I understand that in Hebrew this number represents numerical perfection but does that have bearing in this context?
You may well have commented on this when covering Revelation in semester 2 2019, but l was unable to attend R09 at that time.
Thanks for your ever readiness to give interesting and helpful responses to our queries
Christine
|
Q&A: Why Jesus linked John with Mary at the Cross
While the U3A course R09 "What the Bible is about" is on hiatus, our discussion board is still available to discuss biblical issues. As we approach Mother's Day, a?question came up in the course of some emails that I'd like to share with you.? QuestionWhy?did Jesus give custodianship of His mother, Mary, to his disciple John, instead of to his brother(s)?
One of the "throw-away" facts included in the New Testament that tends to pass without analysis is John 19:26-27 where Jesus, on the cusp of death on the Cross, directed the Apostle John, His (first) cousin, to take of His mother, Mary, despite the fact that Mary had at least four living sons per Matthew?13:55.? John, as the youngest of the Twelve, would likely have been younger than at least some, if not all, of Mary's sons.
The Roman Catholic Church doesn't have a problem with this since they declared Mary ever-virgin (this is a topic in itself) and assigned Jesus' half-brothers to a mother or mothers other than Mary, either a sister of Mary or an earlier wife or wives of Joseph. However, with their focus on sola scriptura (the Bible as the sole authority), the Protestant reformers recognized that scripture only required belief in the virgin birth, but was silent on perpetual virginity.? Some early reformers like Luther and Zwingli who had been Catholic priests held on to the idea of perpetual virginity, but Protestantism largely rejects it.
I'll address this question from the scriptural (Protestant) perspective. John 19:26-27 states, "When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, 'Woman, behold your son!'??Then He said to the disciple, 'Behold your mother!' And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home."
|
English (KJV)
|
Strong's
|
Greek Root
|
Tense
|
|
mother
|
g3384
|
μ?τηρ
尘ē迟ē谤
|
1)????? a mother 2)????? metaphor. the source of something
|
|
behold
|
g2400
|
?δο?
idou
|
behold, see,
lo
|
|
son!
|
g5207
|
υ???
huios
|
1)? ??a son ? ? ?d)?????
in a wider
sense, a descendant, one of the posterity of any one of, ? ? ? ? ? ?1)?????
the children
of Israel ? ? ? ? ? ?2)?????
sons of
Abraham ? ? ?e) ??used to describe one who depends on another or is
his follower ? ? ? ? ? ?1)?????
a pupil 3)? ? ?son of God ? ? ? b)? ??used to
describe those who are born again (Lk. 20:36) and of angels and of Jesus
Christ ? ? ? c)? ? ?of those
whom God esteems as sons, whom he loves, protects and benefits above others ? ? ? ? ? ? 1)?????
in the OT
used of the Jews ? ? ? ? ? ? 2)?????
in the NT of
Christians ? ? ? ? ? ? 3)?????
those whose
character God, as a loving father, shapes by chastisements (Heb. 12:5-8) ? ? ? d) ?? those who revere God as their father, the pious
worshippers of God, those who in character and life resemble God, those who
are governed by the Spirit of God, repose the same calm and joyful trust in
God that children do in their parents (Rom. 8:14, Gal. 3:26 ), and hereafter
in the blessedness and glory of the life eternal will openly wear this
dignity of the sons of God. A term used preeminently of Jesus Christ, as
enjoying the supreme love of God, united to him in affectionate intimacy,
privy to his saving councils, obedient to the Father's will in all his acts
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Rationale
The majority of Protestant commentators suggest Jesus, Mary's first-born son, established the relationship re-alignments noted in John
19:26-27 because none of Mary’s other sons were Christians at the time.? As an aside, this is supported by the Bible Codes, where equidistant letter sequence (ELS) codes that underlay Isaiah 53 (a prophecy of His trial and crucifixion) include all names noted in the New Testament to be present at the crucifixion but exclude the names of His brethren James, Joses, Simon, and Judas (Jude) (Matthew 13:55).
Mary was already a widow; it is
probable from reading the Gospels that Joseph was no longer living and that
Jesus her firstborn had been her primary support.? Thus from the Cross Jesus was transferring
His duty to maintain His Mother into the care of John, the only disciple still
standing by Him (others would return later).?
This was a tremendous honour to John, as he well knew being “the disciple whom Jesus loved.”? “Hearken unto thy
father that begat thee, and despise not thy mother when she is old.”
(Proverb 23:22)
In addition, Jesus’ brothers were not
as yet believers and thus were not suitable for assuming Jesus’ role.? Furthermore, although at least James and Jude
became believers after the Resurrection (see the Books of James and Jude and 2 John
1:4), James was to be murdered well before Mary’s death.? Witness the prophecy of Isaiah 51:18, “There is none to guide her among all the
sons whom she hath brought forth; neither is there any that taketh her by the
hand of all the sons that she hath brought up.”
In the end, Mary stayed in John’s
house, first in Jerusalem and later in Ephesus, as may be observed in the
Second Epistle of John, which is a loving letter from John to his “mother”, the
Elect Lady in Ephesus.? “Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from
God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth
and love.” (2 John 1:3)? What comfort
these words would have been to Mary, reminding her of God’s special gift to her
those many years ago, but also reminding her of her duty to posterity.
While some speculate that Jesus knew
that John would be the only disciple (or brother) to live longer than Mary, may
I speculate that perhaps his caring role for Mary was the reason why he lived
so long?? In brief, without Jesus’ act spelled
out in John 19:26-27, the full New Testament Canon would not have been
complete, and 2 John could not have been written. Please enjoy your Mothers' Day 2022 this Sunday,
Blessings,
Ray Ray Sarlin, Tutor U3A R09
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Thank you Ray,
I will await your detailed response with interest. I should have referred to the Apostles Mathew Mark (for Peter) and Luke (although they are disciples) but please don’t spend too much of your valuable time on your more detailed response. I obviously had my wires crossed and?should have understood that the?theoretical?“Q” is not the original of the synoptic gospels. However, I have always been intrigued as to how the assumed earliest known versions of the synoptic gospels were dated. Yes, as you say the synoptic gospels could have been written by?Matthew, Mark (for Peter), and Luke (for Paul).
?Blessings,
?Ian
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Hi Ian,
I'll put together a briefing paper on this topic.? Please allow me a few days.
For the record, no one suggests that "Q" is the original of the synoptic gospels.? It is a 1900-era German supposition that a single Greek source document was compiled from original Hebrew versions and early Greek drafts of the individual synoptic gospels.? The theory postulates that the author(s) of Matthew and Luke drew upon two sources, the earliest completed gospel (Mark) and "Q", when writing their documents.? The theory attempts to account for the overlap of the sayings and activities of Jesus in the three gospels.? A key point in the Q theory is that Greek versions of all three synoptic gospels were COMPLETED around AD 50 when ample eyewitnesses were available to validate them.
Of course, the overlap (and differences) can also be explained by the Apostles being eye-witnesses to the ministry of Jesus.? 
The theory is loosely based on harmonization of the synoptic gospels whereby some material is common to all gospels (Q), some is unique to Matthew (M) or Luke (L), and some is shared between Matthew and Luke only (ML). Matthew contains about 92% of Mark's content while Luke has about 58% of Mark.
By the way, the Q theory does not negate Matthew, Mark (for Peter), and Luke (for Paul) as the principal authors of the gospels that bear their names.
That said, there are now a number of different twists on the Q (two source) theory.? I'll try to include the more prevalent ones in the paper.
Blessings,
Ray
On Thursday, 28 April 2022, 03:06:57 pm AEST, Ian < imurray8@...> wrote:
Hi Ray,
We don’t know who actually wrote the synoptic gospels whether it was the disciples themselves or their scribes. Some books? I have read written by bible scholars refer to a hypothetical document “Q”.This mystery document is supposed to be the first ever written account of the synoptic gospels and these accounts have been copied,? translated and modified down through the ages. Whether the theory is that there were three documents “Q “, one for each disciple, or just one, I am not sure.
I would appreciate your opinion on how the very first accounts of each of the synoptic gospels have been identified and your thoughts on a document or documents “Q”
Blessings,
Ian
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Good morning to Ray and R09ers
Thanks, Ian, for giving Ray that topic. I hadn't previously heard of Q (except as the enigmatic, sinister Star Trek character).?
It's marvellous how, often despite only orts,? scraps and fragments of earliest documents surviving and then with human intervention trying to make their own sense of them, God's Word continues, strong, living, effective.
And, Ray, thank you for your overview answer. We are blessed to have you as our tutor
Also, Ian, l mislaid your contact details a long while back and consequently l haven't as yet sent you that dvd about the Turin shroud. If you're still interested, send your address to cjmcfadyen46@... and l'll post?it to you. It's fascinating, compelling, heavily researched. l'd love it to be authentic.?
And, Merlene, apologies for not replying to your email? of late last term - if l omit to take immediate action, the forgettery kicks in. I trust you had a most very wonderful and satisfying catch-up with your family. And also that it's not so long an interval before the next one.
Looking forward, Ray, to your mini thesis on Q
Happy Friday, everyone Christine
Hi Ian,
I'll put together a briefing paper on this topic.? Please allow me a few days.
For the record, no one suggests that "Q" is the original of the synoptic gospels.? It is a 1900-era German supposition that a single Greek source document was compiled from original Hebrew versions and early Greek drafts of the individual synoptic gospels.? The theory postulates that the author(s) of Matthew and Luke drew upon two sources, the earliest completed gospel (Mark) and "Q", when writing their documents.? The theory attempts to account for the overlap of the sayings and activities of Jesus in the three gospels.? A key point in the Q theory is that Greek versions of all three synoptic gospels were COMPLETED around AD 50 when ample eyewitnesses were available to validate them.
Of course, the overlap (and differences) can also be explained by the Apostles being eye-witnesses to the ministry of Jesus.?
The theory is loosely based on harmonization of the synoptic gospels whereby some material is common to all gospels (Q), some is unique to Matthew (M) or Luke (L), and some is shared between Matthew and Luke only (ML). Matthew contains about 92% of Mark's content while Luke has about 58% of Mark.
By the way, the Q theory does not negate Matthew, Mark (for Peter), and Luke (for Paul) as the principal authors of the gospels that bear their names.
That said, there are now a number of different twists on the Q (two source) theory.? I'll try to include the more prevalent ones in the paper.
Blessings,
Ray
On Thursday, 28 April 2022, 03:06:57 pm AEST, Ian < imurray8@...> wrote:
Hi Ray,
We don’t know who actually wrote the synoptic gospels whether it was the disciples themselves or their scribes. Some books? I have read written by bible scholars refer to a hypothetical document “Q”.This mystery document is supposed to be the first ever written account of the synoptic gospels and these accounts have been copied,? translated and modified down through the ages. Whether the theory is that there were three documents “Q “, one for each disciple, or just one, I am not sure.
I would appreciate your opinion on how the very first accounts of each of the synoptic gospels have been identified and your thoughts on a document or documents “Q”
Blessings,
Ian
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Hi Ian,
I'll put together a briefing paper on this topic.? Please allow me a few days.
For the record, no one suggests that "Q" is the original of the synoptic gospels.? It is a 1900-era German supposition that a single Greek source document was compiled from original Hebrew versions and early Greek drafts of the individual synoptic gospels.? The theory postulates that the author(s) of Matthew and Luke drew upon two sources, the earliest completed gospel (Mark) and "Q", when writing their documents.? The theory attempts to account for the overlap of the sayings and activities of Jesus in the three gospels.? A key point in the Q theory is that Greek versions of all three synoptic gospels were COMPLETED around AD 50 when ample eyewitnesses were available to validate them.
Of course, the overlap (and differences) can also be explained by the Apostles being eye-witnesses to the ministry of Jesus.?
The theory is loosely based on harmonization of the synoptic gospels whereby some material is common to all gospels (Q), some is unique to Matthew (M) or Luke (L), and some is shared between Matthew and Luke only (ML). Matthew contains about 92% of Mark's content while Luke has about 58% of Mark.
By the way, the Q theory does not negate Matthew, Mark (for Peter), and Luke (for Paul) as the principal authors of the gospels that bear their names.
That said, there are now a number of different twists on the Q (two source) theory.? I'll try to include the more prevalent ones in the paper.
Blessings,
Ray
On Thursday, 28 April 2022, 03:06:57 pm AEST, Ian <imurray8@...> wrote:
Hi Ray,
We don’t know who actually wrote the synoptic gospels whether it was the disciples themselves or their scribes. Some books? I have read written by bible scholars refer to a hypothetical document “Q”.This mystery document is supposed to be the first ever written account of the synoptic gospels and these accounts have been copied,? translated and modified down through the ages. Whether the theory is that there were three documents “Q “, one for each disciple, or just one, I am not sure.
I would appreciate your opinion on how the very first accounts of each of the synoptic gospels have been identified and your thoughts on a document or documents “Q”
Blessings,
Ian
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Hi Ray,
We don’t know who actually wrote the synoptic gospels whether it was the disciples themselves or their scribes. Some books I have read written by bible scholars refer to a hypothetical document “Q”.This mystery document is supposed to be the first ever written account of the synoptic gospels and these accounts have been copied, translated and modified down through the ages. Whether the theory is that there were three documents “Q “, one for each disciple, or just one, I am not sure.
I would appreciate your opinion on how the very first accounts of each of the synoptic gospels have been identified and your thoughts on a document or documents “Q”
Blessings,
Ian
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Re: U3A Course R09 (What the Bible is about) Term 2, 2022 Enrolments
Hi Ian and Margaret,
Thanks for your email.? I will notify you as Term 3 approaches.
In the meantime, please keep your questions and comments coming.? They are always appreciated.
Thanks for your participation and support.
Blessings,
Ray
On Saturday, 16 April 2022, 03:40:29 pm AEST, Ian <imurray8@...> wrote:
Hello Ray,
Margaret and I were enrolled in term 2 and are very disappointed that your class cannot continue for this term.Thursday is the best day for us and we hope that the class will continue in term 3 either face to face or on zoom. At least we have the your notes to peruse. Many thanks for all the hard work you put into the presentations.
?Blessings,
Hi Linda,
These are great ideas for serious consideration.? Thank you very much.? The only one that I'm not keen on is Facebook as I harbour a visceral dislike for Big Tech, which I consider satanic; but that doesn't really relate to Australia.? But all four are worthy ideas.
I also wish you a Blessed Easter!? He is Risen!
Blessings,
Ray
Hi Dear Ray,? Sincere apologies? for my late? ? re- enrollment? this? second semester , I've been on a bit of a roller coaster .? I too am saddened to read of the lack of interest . ?I? certainly hope and pray that interested scholars are guided to your most valuable classes.? I truly? would love to continue with your classes.? ?They enrich and feed my Biblical knowledge and depth of understanding with every class. , I am happy with in person and if possible via? zoom? when in transit to Drs. Just an? few ideas,?? maybe an interview or ad on the 96.5 radio channel? , Some mature aged? Christian groups might appreciate the depth? of? extra? Bible research and history? ?? Christian aged care facilities probably,? if zoom classes were available as well . Christian Facebook groups ,?? ?Wishes for a Blessed Easter weekend and prayers for a? much needed breakthrough for no's? Stay well. On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 at 15:36, Peter W Ray ?
The current time on Thursdays is good for me – but I could also fit in a Monday or Friday about the same time or a little earlier. ?
Kind regards ? Peter ?
?
Thanks for your kind words.?? Per your suggestion, I have emailed everyone from last term but with just six days to go I felt it important to respect U3A's procedures.? Despite this being a Zoom class, it falls under their ambit.? Still, good idea, I'll keep an eye on U3A enrollments. Over the past few terms, a number of potential enrollees have indicated that the Thursday date was the deal-breaker for them.? Are there better days or times to hold the course from your perspective? On Friday, 15 April 2022, 01:29:49 pm AEST, Peter W <pwo33029@...> wrote: Ray I am saddened to hear that you have found it necessary to cancel Term 2, due to a lack of enrolments. If? you have not already done so, would it be worthwhile e-mailing all the Term 2 people in case some may have simply ‘forgotten’ to re-enrol? Kind regards – and thanks for all the wonderful Bible ‘adventures’ you have taken us through Peter From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray via ?
Less than a week away from commencing our Term 2 classes for U3A course R09?What the Bible is About - An Informed Appreciation of the Bible, enrolment is below the minimum required to hold the course.? This has unfortunately happened to many of the U3A courses. As a result, I am saddened to announce that the course will not be held for Term 2, which commences next week. At present, I intend to resume classes in Term 3 2022 which runs from 11 July to 16 September, possibly resuming face-to-face (F2F) classes or in a mixed F2F/Zoom mode.? With your permission, I'll keep your email addresses so that I can keep you informed at that time. Since 2017, we have covered 52 of the 66 books of the Bible.? That's nearly 80%, and I have materials drafted or prepared for most of the remainder.??Please email me with any suggestions that might support the revival of R09.? I'm especially interested in any ideas on repackaging or marketing the course to help attract new enrollees and revive the interest that you and so many others have shown over the past five years. Thank you for your interest in R09.? It's been a real blessing to me.
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Hi Frank and Bev,
Thanks for your email.? I will notify you when Term 3 approaches.
Please don't feel guilty about not enrolling.? Life happens to us all, especially as we get that little bit older.? I always appreciated your participation.
Blessings,
Ray
On Saturday, 16 April 2022, 10:33:06 am AEST, Frank and Bev <frankmole@...> wrote:
Hi Ray,
Sorry to hear no term two.
Bev & I feel guilty as we did not re enroll.?
We certainly enjoyed the classes, They gave us a clearer understanding of the passages.t?
We have had a few distractions. health wise, and lots of Drs &rehab visists ,always seemed to be on Thursdays. .
?Also my sister is now in a dementia ward & we visit as often as possible..?
Would you please enroll us for term 3.
Unfortunately Thurs is now no longer suitable.& .I attend? Ray Bignills Economics class? 2pm Tues so that is not suitable..?
Any other time is OK
Thanks for your efforts with the classes,?
Frank & Bev Mole
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Subject: [b4uc] U3A Course R09 (What the Bible is about) Term 2, 2022 Enrolments
Less than a week away from commencing our Term 2 classes for U3A course R09?What the Bible is About - An Informed Appreciation of the Bible, enrolment is below the minimum required to hold the course.? This has unfortunately happened to many of the U3A courses.
As a result, I am saddened to announce that the course will not be held for Term 2, which commences next week.
At present, I intend to resume classes in Term 3 2022 which runs from 11 July to 16 September, possibly resuming face-to-face (F2F) classes or in a mixed F2F/Zoom mode.? With your permission, I'll keep your email addresses so that I can keep you informed at that time.
Since 2017, we have covered 52 of the 66 books of the Bible.? That's nearly 80%, and I have materials drafted or prepared for most of the remainder.??Please email me with any suggestions that might support the revival of R09.? I'm especially interested in any ideas on repackaging or marketing the course to help attract new enrollees and revive the interest that you and so many others have shown over the past five years.
Thank you for your interest in R09.? It's been a real blessing to me.
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U3A Course R09 (What the Bible is about) Q&A on Mark 16:9-20
G’day all,
Although U3A Class R09
is on hiatus over Term 2, 2022, the discussion forum and website are still
open.? Please feel free to comment on or
ask anything Bible-related.? For example, last Sunday
one of the participants sent an email with the following:
QUESTION FROM A PARTICIPANT:
Even if the class doesn't resume this term, are you still available
for comment on queries?
One I've meant to run past you for weeks concerns the final
verses of Mark's gospel and Pawson's comments on these in his Unlocking the
Bible.? No problem, though, if you want/need a break from this aspect of
your class as well.
ANSWER:
You ask two
questions, a general one about the ending of Mark and a more specific one about
David Pawson’s comments on it.? I’ll
address the latter first.
I love David
Pawson, consider him perhaps the finest Bible teacher of the modern era, and
rely heavily upon his work.? I owned and studied a
complete set of his VHS tapes including the entire “Unlocking the Bible”
series.? That said, there are a few
things that I disagree with, and one is the ending of Mark.? He accepted as fact that Mark’s gospel
finishes at Mark 16:8 in the middle of a sentence with the strange phrase, “for
they were afraid of….”? He then
identified at least three possible reasons why this might be: (1) Mark intended
to end thusly; (2) Mark was interrupted and never finished; and (3) the ending
was lost in some way.
He further goes
on to mention that other endings have been added, a shorter version (which first
appears in the late fourth century A.D. and most commentators readily dismiss)
and the longer version of Mark 16:9-20 that appears in most English Bibles
today and which most commentators acknowledge, to quote Pawson, “does reflect
what the early church believed….”?
[THE ANSWER NOW INCLUDES 3-1/2 PAGES OF DETAILS IN THE ATTACHED PDF.] TOPIC HEADINGS INCLUDE: The primary argument against Mark 16:9-20
Documentary evidence for the authenticity of Mark 16:9-20 Structural
evidence for the inspiration of Mark 16:9-20 Structural
evidence for the inclusion of Mark 16:9-20 with the Gospel of Mark
I’m
sure that anyone who has read this far will appreciate that I will restrict this section to note
that Panin demonstrates that not only was Mark 16:9-20 necessary to complete
Mark’s gospel and end on a note of hope rather than despair, but it is
consistent structurally and gematrically with the verses that precede it.? There is no human explanation for the
incredible and precise fit.
Conclusion
This
answer only lightly touches on evidence regarding the authenticity of Mark
16:9-20, but even from this cursory examination, it would seem apparent that
these 12 verses were in the original but were expurgated from the corrupt
Alexandrian codices (this topic I could prattle on about for hours) that form
the foundation for most modern English versions of the New Testament.
So
that’s where I disagree with David Pawson.?
His reasoning why Mark’s gospel finishes at Mark 16:8
errors in its underlying assumption that Westcott and Hort were correct in promoting
the Alexandrian codices as the “earliest and most reliable” versions of the New
Testament.? One hundred and forty years
after that assumption was made, they are no longer seen as reliable, and three
fragments of Mark (?45, ?88, and ?137) dated to before they
were allegedly written are probably earlier than the codices which cannot trace
their provenance until at least some 1,000 years later.
Thanks for the questions.
Blessings,
Ray
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Re: U3A Course R09 (What the Bible is about) Term 2, 2022 Enrolments
Hi Ray,
?
It was with a sad heart when I logged into my emails and there wasn’t the
usual R09 Bible course Reminder email from you that the lesson will start in an
hour! But qué sera, sera – whatever will be, will be – the future certainly
isn’t for us to see.? I look forward to seeing your reminder email on
Thursday 14 July, telling us your Term 3 class will be starting in an
hour.
?
It would be a challenging project to embark on Bible study on “today”. I
can’t recall ever reading or listening to any sermon in the past where this has
been addressed seriously. Interesting.
?
Blessings,
Merlene
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Hi Merlene,
?
Thanks for your kind words.
?
You raise an interesting point about what the
Bible says about the specific time we are living in.? I have always been
comfortable understanding what the Bible says about the "times" we are living
in, but I've never thought much about anything that it has to say about the
"time" we are currently in.? I'm usually put off by the focus on the event
for which no one knows the date and time but the Father.? In a real sense,
we are living in two "times" that the Bible speaks to:
?
(1) our day-to-day existence in an imperfect
world now awaiting an election between two incompetent political parties with a
pre-ordained outcome if Labor wins that is different from the preordained
outcome if the Coalition does.? Everybody intuitively knows what will
happen if one side or the other wins, but few care enough to think or talk about
it; consequently the parties take turns winning and losing.? Labor runs up
the national debt, the Coalition (usually) works it off, rinse, repeat.?
And of course "political correctness," sigh.? The Bible is full of little
interludes like this (good leader, bad leader); it seems to be the human
condition.
?
(2) Internationally, the world is recasting
itself into a tyrannical global elitist dictatorship on the one side and a
tyrannical Communist hegemonic dictatorship on the other side. Interestingly,
Russia is caught in the middle.? The concept of "democracy" will be largely
forgotten within a few years. The resultant two sides will face off until
something happens and there is a one world government (which the Bible
predicts), years of chaos happen, and Jesus comes again.? Hooray!
?
Based on what you said, Merlene, it may be
interesting to do a Biblical study on today.? I'll take that under
advisement.
?
Thanks also for your comments on dates and
times and formats.? Understood.
?
Blessings,
?
Ray
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On Friday, 15 April 2022, 02:58:09 pm AEST, Merlene
<merlene@...> wrote:
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Hi Ray,
?
Like Peter, I am saddened to hear that your Thursday Bible classes will be
cancelled for Term 2 due to lack of enrolments. I find that so difficult to
comprehend in these difficult times, when we need them more than ever. What does
the Bible say about what is happening now? I’m sure there are many passages that
could give us guidelines. Unfortunately I am not well versed nor knowledgeable
in the scriptures to find the answers.
?
Re different times or days. Thursdays at 10:45 was an ideal time and day
for me. Wednesdays are completely out due to other U3A classes; Mondays and
Fridays are days I mostly migrate to and from the Gold Coast, so mornings would
definitely be out – maybe Monday afternoons, but not always possible. I do not
intend to attend face-2-face classes in the foreseeable future, especially now
that Masks are not mandatory. We need masks more than ever with Covid cases
rising, and we are in the most vulnerable group. I’m too scared to venture out
amongst people who don’t consider the health and welfare of older people and
show their disrespect for us in these challenging times. Scary at times.
?
Let’s pray that others in the class remember to re-enrol so that those of
us that are committed to learning more of the Bible are able to do so.
Blessings,
Merlene
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Subject: Re: [b4uc] U3A Course R09 (What the Bible is about) Term 2,
2022 Enrolments
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Hi Peter,
?
Thanks for your kind words.?
?
Per your suggestion, I have emailed everyone from last term but
with just six days to go I felt it important to respect U3A's procedures.?
Despite this being a Zoom class, it falls under their ambit.? Still, good
idea, I'll keep an eye on U3A enrollments.
?
Over the past few terms, a number of potential enrollees have
indicated that the Thursday date was the deal-breaker for them.? Are there
better days or times to hold the course from your perspective?
?
Blessings,
Ray
?
Sent: Friday,
15 April 2022 1:07 PM
To: [email protected]; Wayne Weiler
<wineducation@...>; Marian Plant <rplant7@...>
Subject: [b4uc] U3A Course R09 (What the Bible is about) Term
2, 2022 Enrolments
Good day all,
Less than a week away from
commencing our Term 2 classes for U3A course R09 What the Bible is About - An
Informed Appreciation of the Bible, enrolment is below the minimum required
to hold the course.? This has unfortunately happened to many of the U3A
courses.
As a result, I am saddened to
announce that the course will not be held for Term 2, which commences next
week.
At present, I intend to resume
classes in Term 3 2022 which runs from 11 July to 16 September, possibly
resuming face-to-face (F2F) classes or in a mixed F2F/Zoom mode.? With your
permission, I'll keep your email addresses so that I can keep you informed at
that time.
Since 2017, we have covered 52
of the 66 books of the Bible.? That's nearly 80%, and I have materials
drafted or prepared for most of the remainder.? Please email me with any
suggestions that might support the revival of R09.? I'm especially
interested in any ideas on repackaging or marketing the course to help attract
new enrollees and revive the interest that you and so many others have shown
over the past five years.
Thank you for your interest in
R09.? It's been a real blessing to me.
Ray Sarlin
U3A R09
Tutor._,_
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Re: U3A Course R09 (What the Bible is about) Term 2, 2022 Enrolments
Hello Ray,
Margaret and I were enrolled in term 2 and are very disappointed that your class cannot continue for this term.Thursday is the best day for us and we hope that the class will continue in term 3 either face to face or on zoom. At least we have the your notes to peruse. Many thanks for all the hard work you put into the presentations.
?Blessings,
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Hi Linda,
These are great ideas for serious consideration.? Thank you very much.? The only one that I'm not keen on is Facebook as I harbour a visceral dislike for Big Tech, which I consider satanic; but that doesn't really relate to Australia.? But all four are worthy ideas.
I also wish you a Blessed Easter!? He is Risen!
Blessings,
Ray
Hi Dear Ray,? Sincere apologies? for my late? ? re- enrollment? this? second semester , I've been on a bit of a roller coaster .? I too am saddened to read of the lack of interest . ?I? certainly hope and pray that interested scholars are guided to your most valuable classes.? I truly? would love to continue with your classes.? ?They enrich and feed my Biblical knowledge and depth of understanding with every class. , I am happy with in person and if possible via? zoom? when in transit to Drs. Just an? few ideas,?? maybe an interview or ad on the 96.5 radio channel? , Some mature aged? Christian groups might appreciate the depth? of? extra? Bible research and history? ?? Christian aged care facilities probably,? if zoom classes were available as well . Christian Facebook groups ,?? ?Wishes for a Blessed Easter weekend and prayers for a? much needed breakthrough for no's? Stay well. On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 at 15:36, Peter W Ray ?
The current time on Thursdays is good for me – but I could also fit in a Monday or Friday about the same time or a little earlier. ?
Kind regards ? Peter ?
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Thanks for your kind words.?? Per your suggestion, I have emailed everyone from last term but with just six days to go I felt it important to respect U3A's procedures.? Despite this being a Zoom class, it falls under their ambit.? Still, good idea, I'll keep an eye on U3A enrollments. Over the past few terms, a number of potential enrollees have indicated that the Thursday date was the deal-breaker for them.? Are there better days or times to hold the course from your perspective? On Friday, 15 April 2022, 01:29:49 pm AEST, Peter W <pwo33029@...> wrote: Ray I am saddened to hear that you have found it necessary to cancel Term 2, due to a lack of enrolments. If? you have not already done so, would it be worthwhile e-mailing all the Term 2 people in case some may have simply ‘forgotten’ to re-enrol? Kind regards – and thanks for all the wonderful Bible ‘adventures’ you have taken us through Peter From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray via ?
Less than a week away from commencing our Term 2 classes for U3A course R09?What the Bible is About - An Informed Appreciation of the Bible, enrolment is below the minimum required to hold the course.? This has unfortunately happened to many of the U3A courses. As a result, I am saddened to announce that the course will not be held for Term 2, which commences next week. At present, I intend to resume classes in Term 3 2022 which runs from 11 July to 16 September, possibly resuming face-to-face (F2F) classes or in a mixed F2F/Zoom mode.? With your permission, I'll keep your email addresses so that I can keep you informed at that time. Since 2017, we have covered 52 of the 66 books of the Bible.? That's nearly 80%, and I have materials drafted or prepared for most of the remainder.??Please email me with any suggestions that might support the revival of R09.? I'm especially interested in any ideas on repackaging or marketing the course to help attract new enrollees and revive the interest that you and so many others have shown over the past five years. Thank you for your interest in R09.? It's been a real blessing to me.
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Re: U3A Course R09 (What the Bible is about) Term 2, 2022 Enrolments
Hi Ray,
Sorry to hear no term two.
Bev & I feel guilty as we did not re enroll.?
We certainly enjoyed the classes, They gave us a clearer understanding of the passages.t?
We have had a few distractions. health wise, and lots of Drs &rehab visists ,always seemed to be on Thursdays. .
?Also my sister is now in a dementia ward & we visit as often as possible..?
Would you please enroll us for term 3.
Unfortunately Thurs is now no longer suitable.& .I attend? Ray Bignills Economics class? 2pm Tues so that is not suitable..?
Any other time is OK
Thanks for your efforts with the classes,?
Frank & Bev Mole
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Subject: [b4uc] U3A Course R09 (What the Bible is about) Term 2, 2022 Enrolments
Less than a week away from commencing our Term 2 classes for U3A course R09?What the Bible is About - An Informed Appreciation of the Bible, enrolment is below the minimum required to hold the course.? This has unfortunately happened to many of the U3A courses.
As a result, I am saddened to announce that the course will not be held for Term 2, which commences next week.
At present, I intend to resume classes in Term 3 2022 which runs from 11 July to 16 September, possibly resuming face-to-face (F2F) classes or in a mixed F2F/Zoom mode.? With your permission, I'll keep your email addresses so that I can keep you informed at that time.
Since 2017, we have covered 52 of the 66 books of the Bible.? That's nearly 80%, and I have materials drafted or prepared for most of the remainder.??Please email me with any suggestions that might support the revival of R09.? I'm especially interested in any ideas on repackaging or marketing the course to help attract new enrollees and revive the interest that you and so many others have shown over the past five years.
Thank you for your interest in R09.? It's been a real blessing to me.
Blessings,
Ray
Ray Sarlin
U3A R09 Tutor
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Re: U3A Course R09 (What the Bible is about) Term 2, 2022 Enrolments
Cont. Easter Blessings and wishes to?? Dear Ray and Dear fellow classmates.
Another radio station for consideration? is the " Vision? Radio" station . Both stations? have Christian promotions and interviews.,? ?One of the newer? Churches? that came to my area was advertised over the radio. Answered prayers and "Anticipation". Blessings.
On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 at 16:51, Linda via groups.io <linfordlinda@...> wrote: Hi Dear Ray,? Sincere apologies? for my late? ? re- enrollment? this? second semester , I've been on a bit of a roller coaster .? I too am saddened to read of the lack of interest . ?I? certainly hope and pray that interested scholars are guided to your most valuable classes.? I truly? would love to continue with your classes.? ?They enrich and feed my Biblical knowledge and depth of understanding with every class. , I am happy with in person and if possible via? zoom? when in transit to Drs. Just an? few ideas,?? maybe an interview or ad on the 96.5 radio channel? , Some mature aged? Christian groups might appreciate the depth? of? extra? Bible research and history? ?? Christian aged care facilities probably,? if zoom classes were available as well . Christian Facebook groups ,?? ?Wishes for a Blessed Easter weekend and prayers for a? much needed breakthrough for no's? Stay well. On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 at 15:36, Peter W <pwo33029@...> wrote: Ray ? The current time on Thursdays is good for me – but I could also fit in a Monday or Friday about the same time or a little earlier. ? Kind regards ? Peter ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray via groups.io
Sent: Friday, 15 April 2022 1:43 PM
To: [email protected]; 'Wayne Weiler' <wineducation@...>; 'Marian Plant' <rplant7@...>
Subject: Re: [b4uc] U3A Course R09 (What the Bible is about) Term 2, 2022 Enrolments ? Thanks for your kind words.?? Per your suggestion, I have emailed everyone from last term but with just six days to go I felt it important to respect U3A's procedures.? Despite this being a Zoom class, it falls under their ambit.? Still, good idea, I'll keep an eye on U3A enrollments. Over the past few terms, a number of potential enrollees have indicated that the Thursday date was the deal-breaker for them.? Are there better days or times to hold the course from your perspective? On Friday, 15 April 2022, 01:29:49 pm AEST, Peter W <pwo33029@...> wrote: Ray I am saddened to hear that you have found it necessary to cancel Term 2, due to a lack of enrolments. If? you have not already done so, would it be worthwhile e-mailing all the Term 2 people in case some may have simply ‘forgotten’ to re-enrol? Kind regards – and thanks for all the wonderful Bible ‘adventures’ you have taken us through Peter From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray via groups.io ? Less than a week away from commencing our Term 2 classes for U3A course R09?What the Bible is About - An Informed Appreciation of the Bible, enrolment is below the minimum required to hold the course.? This has unfortunately happened to many of the U3A courses. As a result, I am saddened to announce that the course will not be held for Term 2, which commences next week. At present, I intend to resume classes in Term 3 2022 which runs from 11 July to 16 September, possibly resuming face-to-face (F2F) classes or in a mixed F2F/Zoom mode.? With your permission, I'll keep your email addresses so that I can keep you informed at that time. Since 2017, we have covered 52 of the 66 books of the Bible.? That's nearly 80%, and I have materials drafted or prepared for most of the remainder.??Please email me with any suggestions that might support the revival of R09.? I'm especially interested in any ideas on repackaging or marketing the course to help attract new enrollees and revive the interest that you and so many others have shown over the past five years. Thank you for your interest in R09.? It's been a real blessing to me.
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Re: U3A Course R09 (What the Bible is about) Term 2, 2022 Enrolments
Hi Linda,
These are great ideas for serious consideration.? Thank you very much.? The only one that I'm not keen on is Facebook as I harbour a visceral dislike for Big Tech, which I consider satanic; but that doesn't really relate to Australia.? But all four are worthy ideas.
I also wish you a Blessed Easter!? He is Risen!
Blessings,
Ray
On Friday, 15 April 2022, 04:51:24 pm AEST, Linda via groups.io <linfordlinda@...> wrote:
Hi Dear Ray,? Sincere apologies? for my late? ? re- enrollment? this? second semester , I've been on a bit of a roller coaster .? I too am saddened to read of the lack of interest . ?I? certainly hope and pray that interested scholars are guided to your most valuable classes.? I truly? would love to continue with your classes.? ?They enrich and feed my Biblical knowledge and depth of understanding with every class. , I am happy with in person and if possible via? zoom? when in transit to Drs. Just an? few ideas,?? maybe an interview or ad on the 96.5 radio channel? , Some mature aged? Christian groups might appreciate the depth? of? extra? Bible research and history? ?? Christian aged care facilities probably,? if zoom classes were available as well . Christian Facebook groups ,?? ?Wishes for a Blessed Easter weekend and prayers for a? much needed breakthrough for no's? Stay well.
On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 at 15:36, Peter W <pwo33029@...> wrote: Ray ? The current time on Thursdays is good for me – but I could also fit in a Monday or Friday about the same time or a little earlier. ? Kind regards ? Peter ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray via groups.io
Sent: Friday, 15 April 2022 1:43 PM
To: [email protected]; 'Wayne Weiler' <wineducation@...>; 'Marian Plant' <rplant7@...>
Subject: Re: [b4uc] U3A Course R09 (What the Bible is about) Term 2, 2022 Enrolments ? Thanks for your kind words.?? Per your suggestion, I have emailed everyone from last term but with just six days to go I felt it important to respect U3A's procedures.? Despite this being a Zoom class, it falls under their ambit.? Still, good idea, I'll keep an eye on U3A enrollments. Over the past few terms, a number of potential enrollees have indicated that the Thursday date was the deal-breaker for them.? Are there better days or times to hold the course from your perspective? On Friday, 15 April 2022, 01:29:49 pm AEST, Peter W <pwo33029@...> wrote: Ray I am saddened to hear that you have found it necessary to cancel Term 2, due to a lack of enrolments. If? you have not already done so, would it be worthwhile e-mailing all the Term 2 people in case some may have simply ‘forgotten’ to re-enrol? Kind regards – and thanks for all the wonderful Bible ‘adventures’ you have taken us through Peter From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray via groups.io ? Less than a week away from commencing our Term 2 classes for U3A course R09?What the Bible is About - An Informed Appreciation of the Bible, enrolment is below the minimum required to hold the course.? This has unfortunately happened to many of the U3A courses. As a result, I am saddened to announce that the course will not be held for Term 2, which commences next week. At present, I intend to resume classes in Term 3 2022 which runs from 11 July to 16 September, possibly resuming face-to-face (F2F) classes or in a mixed F2F/Zoom mode.? With your permission, I'll keep your email addresses so that I can keep you informed at that time. Since 2017, we have covered 52 of the 66 books of the Bible.? That's nearly 80%, and I have materials drafted or prepared for most of the remainder.??Please email me with any suggestions that might support the revival of R09.? I'm especially interested in any ideas on repackaging or marketing the course to help attract new enrollees and revive the interest that you and so many others have shown over the past five years. Thank you for your interest in R09.? It's been a real blessing to me.
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Merlene