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Re: The Bible versus Scientific Evidence


 

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Hi Marlene,
I referred back to Creation ministries website for questions and answers re your mail. It is worth a look if you have not seen it before,
regards Carol Mc


On 13 Sep 2020, at 23:21, Ray via groups.io <ray.sarlin@...> wrote:

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G'day everyone,

Thanks, Merlene, for posing come interesting and challenging questions.? I'm also interested in seeing what inputs this email generates.

My initial thought is to make a few simple observations, which I hope will be helpful.

Twenty years is a very long time in politics and science. Bryan Sykes' "Seven (European) Daughters of Eve" are now at least ten, and a current argument in genetics is that perhaps there should be just two: Finnish and non-Finnish.? No kidding.? And, by the way, the count on "Daughters of Eve" worldwide is now up to 29 or so.? As mentioned, twenty years is a long time in science.? In the unlikely case that anyone is interested, my eldest female ancestress is Tara (mitochondrial Haplogroup T) and I am half-Finnish; hopefully, thousands of mad scientists aren't skulking about waiting to dissect me.

This brings up my main caution.? Many serious scientists now disavow Darwin's Theory of Evolution, which over 150 years has failed to stand in many ways.? For example, no matter how old the earth is (and limitless time is a precondition for the theory), there's no evidence whatsoever of macro-evolution (between species) even as micro-evolution (evolution - including by natural selection - within a species) is well-proven.? After all, evolution from a molecule into a human being is scientifically impossible given all that we know today about things like, well, DNA.

A related caution is that atheistic Science cannot explain life or the universe, just as Creationists cannot scientifically prove that God exists. The same sets of facts can be interpreted differently depending upon the interpreter's presuppositions and assumptions, so it's a reasonable idea to consider our own pre-suppositions. For example, one of my personal beliefs is that there is no conflict between the Bible and Science, which goes to the heart of Merlene's question.

Finally, the brilliant Blaise Pascal once opined that "Reason's last step is the recognition that there are an infinite number of things which are beyond it."? Believe it or not, there is a possibility that we won't solve all of the issues that Merlene raised in this forum, but it should be fun trying.

Hoping to hear from y'all, I remain

Very truly yours,

Ray

P.S. Blessings.




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On Sunday, 13 September 2020, 03:52:46 pm AEST, Merlene <merlene@...> wrote:


Hi Ray and all Fellow Students,
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A couple of weeks ago I promised I would ask a question that has always remained unanswered, seeking Ray’s and the Group’s comments.? It is very lengthy, for which I apologise, but it is so complex a subject I couldn’t compress it further.
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How many times have you been faced with the situation of trying to convince people to believe the words of the Bible when the scientific evidence seems to prove otherwise – especially with regard to the Beginnings of Man.

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I am not an historian and these are very, very rough time frames.?

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1.?????? Time in the Bible starts around 6,000 BC.? But it is well documented that there was life on earth at least 46,000 thousand years ago (Aboriginal evidence, as an example).

2.?????? The Bible states that God created the world, then animals, then man (Adam and Eve).? This fact is now under attack from the Darwinian theory;? the theory of evolution, something no one would be foolish enough to dispute.

3.?????? It is known that the Ice Age occurred about 12-12,000 years ago, causing the distinction of many animals and possibly mankind.? But the Bible puts life (our world) starting only 8,000 thousand years ago (6,000bc + 2,000ad years).

4.?????? Assuming Bible times put the age of our world around 8,000 thousand years old, this cannot be correct.? Geological evidence suggests an age of millions of years.

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My question to Ray and the Group is:? How can we reconcile the Bible with Science considering the above facts and data?

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My hypothesis

1.?????? Although the Bible says God created the World in “6” days, I believe the six days do not refer to six literal days as we understand “days” but a timeframe of Six (plus resting day of 7).? Within this timeframe animals and some form of humans existed – we are talking about LONG timeframes.

2.?????? The theory of evolution cannot be disputed, but somehow this has to be reconciled with the Bible.? See Note 3.??

3.?????? After the Ice Age few animals survived, but there is CONSIDERABLE evidence of their existence, including some form of mankind.? And this is where I believe the Darwinian Theory of Evolution is “king”;? there were creatures that science calls Man, but I don’t believe Theory of Evolution PROVES that they WERE actual the beginnings of humans – a totally different species – Refer*

4.?????? After almost everything was wiped out during the Ice Age, is it possible that our Bible starts sometime AFTER – a new and different world was created, massaged by God.? Evolution starts with creatures in the deep (sea), then land, air, etc. to God’s creation of Man, in His image (somehow!!)

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Recently I came across The Seven Daughters of Eve by Bryan Sykes, Professor of human genetics at Oxford University, a leading world authority on DNA and human evolution.? ?In 1994 he was called in to examine the frozen remains of a man trapped in glacial ice in northern Italy, purportedly pre Ice Age.

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He took 3? hair samples a purported human? from remote Himalayan kingdom of Bhutan which were from the miogi, the Bhutanese yeti. Two of the hairs from DNA analysis, eventually were identified as hairs from a known species of bear.? The third remained a mystery.

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From an article published in 2010, he stated it’s now possible to get a very good DNA signal from a single hair.? This paper contained details of the DNA sequence from another human species, Homo neanderthalensis, the Neanderthals, widely thought to be extinct.

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He says we can trace our maternal line back 45,000 years (similar to Aboriginal belief) and starts with the first scientific evidence of the survival of apemen into modern times.

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The Seven Daughters of Eve[1] is a 2001 book by Bryan Sykes that presents the science of human mitochondrial genetics to a general audience. Sykes explains the principles of genetics and human evolution, the particularities of mitochondrial DNA, and analyses of ancient DNA to genetically link modern humans to prehistoric ancestors.

Following the developments of mitochondrial genetics, Sykes traces back human migrations, discusses the "out of Africa theory" and casts serious doubt upon Thor Heyerdahl's theory of the Peruvian origin of the Polynesians, which opposed the theory of their origin in Indonesia. He also describes the use of mitochondrial DNA in identifying the remains of Emperor Nicholas II of Russia, and in assessing the genetic makeup of modern Europe.

The title of the book comes from one of the principal achievements of mitochondrial genetics, which is the classification of all modern Europeans into seven groups, the mitochondrial haplogroups. Each haplogroup is defined by a set of characteristic mutations on the mitochondrial genome, and can be traced along a person's maternal line to a specific prehistoric woman. Sykes refers to these women as "clan mothers", though these women did not all live concurrently. All these women in turn shared a common maternal ancestor, the Mitochondrial Eve.

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His book goes on to explain in great detail how blood samples taken from different people from different countries over different time frames confirm his theories above.

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Sorry for the length of this email raising issues of the Bible’s account of beginnings of mankind versus scientific evidence and findings, but this is a topic which seems to me cannot ever be reconciled, in spite of all our latest technological achievements.

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Cheers,

Merlene

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