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It would be interesting to try and find out the history of my lathe and how it came to be in the uk.? It appears that it was made end of april /beginning of may 1941 (going by the dates on the headstock bearings) so right when America was ramping up the lease lend program during ww2.
?
Was atlas involved in the lease lend?? where lathes sent to the uk?
?
of course the slightly less historical important theory is that an american solder bought it before the americans went to war and then relocated over here after the war sometime
?
many thanks
Coop
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The best historical resource I know of is ?
?
Raymond
?
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Atlas lathes (and their other machine tools) were promoted during WW-II for defense production. ?Simple parts, in a home workshop, let folks contribute to the War Effort and make some money too. ?In some of their period literature they mention exactly these uses. ?And given that the needs for EVERYTHING were so great, the fact that Atlas continued producing much of their product line throughout the war indicates that the government believed that the Atlas machines added value.
?
"In January 1942, the newly created War Production Board assumed responsibility for directing war procurement and production and establishing priorities for military and civilian use of materials and supplies." from
?
As to the specifics of how YOUR lathe came to the UK? ?It is all conjecture, but we know from Tony's site that Atlas machinery did make it to the UK.
?
Charlie
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Here's a link to an interest ca. 1942 article about innovative uses of small machine tools in the war effort in the United States. I suspect the same motivations were in play in the U.K.??
?
Larry F.
?
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I recall lend/lease was already well underway by spring of 1941. We
entered the war by the end of 1941. Lend/lease began, I think, in
the late 30's when the UK entered the war. By 1942, we were sending
massive amounts of equipment and soldiers to the UK to stage for
invasion. A lathe made in spring of 1941, would have taken several
months to find its way to the UK by ship. Assuming the bearing date
is meaningful, I think it is equally possible that the lathe was
part of lend/lease or part of the US Army supply chain. We are known
to leave a lot of equipment behind after a war so that our military
contractors can make more profit resupplying us.
Bearing dates during that period are probably not as certain of an
indicator as one might think. It was obviously? a little chaotic.
Those bearings may not have been immediately used. They could be
replacement bearings too. Atlas would not have been directly
involved in lend/lease, but they were certainly a supplier. The US
government would buy products from manufacturers and lend/lease it
to the UK. You will often find a tag on machine tools made for the
War Dept with some language indicating such. I do not know if that
was required or done because the machinery was not always made to
the same standards as commercial products. I doubt too many people
were actually making parts at home for the war. However, nearly
everything was rationed due to shortages. Having a lathe at home to
make or repair parts not available would make sense.
On 11/21/2024 2:41 AM, hedgesben via
groups.io wrote:
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It would be interesting to try and find out the history of my
lathe and how it came to be in the uk.? It appears that it was
made end of april /beginning of may 1941 (going by the dates on
the headstock bearings) so right when America was ramping up the
lease lend program during ww2.
?
Was atlas involved in the lease lend?? where lathes sent to
the uk?
?
of course the slightly less historical important theory is
that an american solder bought it before the americans went to
war and then relocated over here after the war sometime
?
many thanks
Coop
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The Myford M7-7 was not introduced until 1947 so England.?
I think that is an interesting data point in this discussion
Steve
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On Nov 22, 2024, at 7:25?AM, Mike Poore via groups.io <mpoore10@...> wrote:
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I recall lend/lease was already well underway by spring of 1941. We
entered the war by the end of 1941. Lend/lease began, I think, in
the late 30's when the UK entered the war. By 1942, we were sending
massive amounts of equipment and soldiers to the UK to stage for
invasion. A lathe made in spring of 1941, would have taken several
months to find its way to the UK by ship. Assuming the bearing date
is meaningful, I think it is equally possible that the lathe was
part of lend/lease or part of the US Army supply chain. We are known
to leave a lot of equipment behind after a war so that our military
contractors can make more profit resupplying us.
Bearing dates during that period are probably not as certain of an
indicator as one might think. It was obviously? a little chaotic.
Those bearings may not have been immediately used. They could be
replacement bearings too. Atlas would not have been directly
involved in lend/lease, but they were certainly a supplier. The US
government would buy products from manufacturers and lend/lease it
to the UK. You will often find a tag on machine tools made for the
War Dept with some language indicating such. I do not know if that
was required or done because the machinery was not always made to
the same standards as commercial products. I doubt too many people
were actually making parts at home for the war. However, nearly
everything was rationed due to shortages. Having a lathe at home to
make or repair parts not available would make sense.
On 11/21/2024 2:41 AM, hedgesben via
groups.io wrote:
It would be interesting to try and find out the history of my
lathe and how it came to be in the uk.? It appears that it was
made end of april /beginning of may 1941 (going by the dates on
the headstock bearings) so right when America was ramping up the
lease lend program during ww2.
?
Was atlas involved in the lease lend?? where lathes sent to
the uk?
?
of course the slightly less historical important theory is
that an american solder bought it before the americans went to
war and then relocated over here after the war sometime
?
many thanks
Coop
|
Well, there is this account...
?
?
-Wally
?
?
|
At least 30,000 Harleys were sent over & I believe the bulk
of those ended up in Russia . There's a company in the
Netherlands? ( I think that's where it is? ) that is still selling
OEM HArley parts . Here's the whole story from Wikipedia's eyes ,
interestin read .
On 11/22/24 7:25 AM, Mike Poore via
groups.io wrote:
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Show quoted text
I recall lend/lease was already well underway by spring of 1941.
We entered the war by the end of 1941. Lend/lease began, I think,
in the late 30's when the UK entered the war. By 1942, we were
sending massive amounts of equipment and soldiers to the UK to
stage for invasion. A lathe made in spring of 1941, would have
taken several months to find its way to the UK by ship. Assuming
the bearing date is meaningful, I think it is equally possible
that the lathe was part of lend/lease or part of the US Army
supply chain. We are known to leave a lot of equipment behind
after a war so that our military contractors can make more profit
resupplying us.
Bearing dates during that period are probably not as certain of an
indicator as one might think. It was obviously? a little chaotic.
Those bearings may not have been immediately used. They could be
replacement bearings too. Atlas would not have been directly
involved in lend/lease, but they were certainly a supplier. The US
government would buy products from manufacturers and lend/lease it
to the UK. You will often find a tag on machine tools made for the
War Dept with some language indicating such. I do not know if that
was required or done because the machinery was not always made to
the same standards as commercial products. I doubt too many people
were actually making parts at home for the war. However, nearly
everything was rationed due to shortages. Having a lathe at home
to make or repair parts not available would make sense.
On 11/21/2024 2:41 AM, hedgesben via
groups.io wrote:
It would be interesting to try and find out the history of
my lathe and how it came to be in the uk.? It appears that it
was made end of april /beginning of may 1941 (going by the
dates on the headstock bearings) so right when America was
ramping up the lease lend program during ww2.
?
Was atlas involved in the lease lend?? where lathes sent to
the uk?
?
of course the slightly less historical important theory is
that an american solder bought it before the americans went to
war and then relocated over here after the war sometime
?
many thanks
Coop
|
That is interesting. I was thinking about people making parts at
home in the U.S. It would make more sense for that to happen in the
UK where a large factory is going to be a target for the Germans. It
must have been tough to keep those machines running with constant
blackouts. They used to cut the lights to avoid aiding attacking
aircraft.
On 11/22/2024 1:44 PM, I_am Wally via
groups.io wrote:
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Well, there is this account...
?
?
-Wally
?
?
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There's a bunch of South Bends over in England & I know of at
least one company that was licensed to build South Bends in
Australia . I'm sure there's more .
On 11/22/24 7:40 AM, Steve Bergeron via
groups.io wrote:
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The Myford M7-7 was not introduced until 1947 so England.?
I think that is an interesting data point in this discussion
Steve
On Nov 22, 2024, at 7:25?AM, Mike
Poore via groups.io <mpoore10@...>
wrote:
?
I recall lend/lease was already well underway by spring of
1941. We entered the war by the end of 1941. Lend/lease
began, I think, in the late 30's when the UK entered the
war. By 1942, we were sending massive amounts of equipment
and soldiers to the UK to stage for invasion. A lathe made
in spring of 1941, would have taken several months to find
its way to the UK by ship. Assuming the bearing date is
meaningful, I think it is equally possible that the lathe
was part of lend/lease or part of the US Army supply chain.
We are known to leave a lot of equipment behind after a war
so that our military contractors can make more profit
resupplying us.
Bearing dates during that period are probably not as certain
of an indicator as one might think. It was obviously? a
little chaotic. Those bearings may not have been immediately
used. They could be replacement bearings too. Atlas would
not have been directly involved in lend/lease, but they were
certainly a supplier. The US government would buy products
from manufacturers and lend/lease it to the UK. You will
often find a tag on machine tools made for the War Dept with
some language indicating such. I do not know if that was
required or done because the machinery was not always made
to the same standards as commercial products. I doubt too
many people were actually making parts at home for the war.
However, nearly everything was rationed due to shortages.
Having a lathe at home to make or repair parts not available
would make sense.
On 11/21/2024 2:41 AM,
hedgesben via groups.io wrote:
It would be interesting to try and find out the
history of my lathe and how it came to be in the uk.? It
appears that it was made end of april /beginning of may
1941 (going by the dates on the headstock bearings) so
right when America was ramping up the lease lend program
during ww2.
?
Was atlas involved in the lease lend?? where lathes
sent to the uk?
?
of course the slightly less historical important
theory is that an american solder bought it before the
americans went to war and then relocated over here after
the war sometime
?
many thanks
Coop
|
??? ??? I can imagine getting caught with one of these machines
in? yer house by the wrong person could have very unpleasant
result .
animal
On 11/22/24 7:36 PM, Mike Poore via
groups.io wrote:
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That is interesting. I was thinking about people making parts at
home in the U.S. It would make more sense for that to happen in
the UK where a large factory is going to be a target for the
Germans. It must have been tough to keep those machines running
with constant blackouts. They used to cut the lights to avoid
aiding attacking aircraft.
On 11/22/2024 1:44 PM, I_am Wally via
groups.io wrote:
Well, there is this account...
?
?
-Wally
?
?
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i watched a documentary about it.? lots of places were given false fronts and were windowless so they could run 24 hours a day
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What are you talking about??
Provide some frame of reference, please.?
None of us were in the same room with you when you watched, whatever you watched.
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i watched a documentary about it.? lots of places were given false fronts and were windowless so they could run 24 hours a day
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follow the thread of the conversation and im sure you can follow along it must suck feeling left out
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For those of us that get individual emails, it is hard to follow
the thread unless we logon to the group.
Bruce Monson
bmonson61@...
On 1/17/2025 10:37 AM, hedgesben via
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follow the thread of the conversation and im sure you can
follow along it must suck feeling left out
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Yes, the system has been inconsistent at delivering every message.
For this reason alone, it makes sense to have at least the trailing messages included in a response, so people can get the needed context.?
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follow the thread of the conversation and im sure you can follow along it must suck feeling left out
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A really great reply to an honest concern.? One shouldn't have to dredge up all previous emails to understand what is being said.? It must suck being you.
Fri, Jan 17 at 11:37 AM
follow the thread of the conversation and im sure you can follow along it must suck feeling left out
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for the entitled among you that cant be bothered to read.? Im sure you will be none the wiser as you will still have to read but hey your welcome
t would be interesting to try and find out the history of my lathe and how it came to be in the uk.? It appears that it was made end of april /beginning of may 1941 (going by the dates on the headstock bearings) so right when America was ramping up the lease lend program during ww2.
?
Was atlas involved in the lease lend?? where lathes sent to the uk?
?
of course the slightly less historical important theory is that an american solder bought it before the americans went to war and then relocated over here after the war sometime
?
many thanks
Coop
?
|
The best historical resource I know of is ?
?
Raymond
?
?
|
Atlas lathes (and their other machine tools) were promoted during WW-II for defense production. ?Simple parts, in a home workshop, let folks contribute to the War Effort and make some money too. ?In some of their period literature they mention exactly these uses. ?And given that the needs for EVERYTHING were so great, the fact that Atlas continued producing much of their product line throughout the war indicates that the government believed that the Atlas machines added value.
?
"In January 1942, the newly created War Production Board assumed responsibility for directing war procurement and production and establishing priorities for military and civilian use of materials and supplies." from
?
As to the specifics of how YOUR lathe came to the UK? ?It is all conjecture, but we know from Tony's site that Atlas machinery did make it to the UK.
?
Charlie
?
|
Here's a link to an interest ca. 1942 article about innovative uses of small machine tools in the war effort in the United States. I suspect the same motivations were in play in the U.K.??
?
Larry F.
?
?
|
I recall lend/lease was already well underway by spring of 1941. We entered the war by the end of 1941. Lend/lease began, I think, in the late 30's when the UK entered the war. By 1942, we were sending massive amounts of equipment and soldiers to the UK to stage for invasion. A lathe made in spring of 1941, would have taken several months to find its way to the UK by ship. Assuming the bearing date is meaningful, I think it is equally possible that the lathe was part of lend/lease or part of the US Army supply chain. We are known to leave a lot of equipment behind after a war so that our military contractors can make more profit resupplying us. Bearing dates during that period are probably not as certain of an indicator as one might think. It was obviously? a little chaotic. Those bearings may not have been immediately used. They could be replacement bearings too. Atlas would not have been directly involved in lend/lease, but they were certainly a supplier. The US government would buy products from manufacturers and lend/lease it to the UK. You will often find a tag on machine tools made for the War Dept with some language indicating such. I do not know if that was required or done because the machinery was not always made to the same standards as commercial products. I doubt too many people were actually making parts at home for the war. However, nearly everything was rationed due to shortages. Having a lathe at home to make or repair parts not available would make sense.
On 11/21/2024 2:41 AM, hedgesben via groups.io wrote:
?
?
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Well, there is this account...
?
?
-Wally
?
?
?
|
|
|
At least 30,000 Harleys were sent over & I believe the bulk of those ended up in Russia . There's a company in the Netherlands? ( I think that's where it is? ) that is still selling OEM HArley parts . Here's the whole story from Wikipedia's eyes , interestin read .
On 11/22/24 7:25 AM, Mike Poore via groups.io wrote:
toggle quoted message Show quoted text
?
?
That is interesting. I was thinking about people making parts at home in the U.S. It would make more sense for that to happen in the UK where a large factory is going to be a target for the Germans. It must have been tough to keep those machines running with constant blackouts. They used to cut the lights to avoid aiding attacking aircraft.
On 11/22/2024 1:44 PM, I_am Wally via groups.io wrote:
?
?
There's a bunch of South Bends over in England & I know of at least one company that was licensed to build South Bends in Australia . I'm sure there's more .
On 11/22/24 7:40 AM, Steve Bergeron via groups.io wrote:
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?
?
??? ??? I can imagine getting caught with one of these machines in? yer house by the wrong person could have very unpleasant result .
animal
On 11/22/24 7:36 PM, Mike Poore via groups.io wrote:
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?
?
i watched a documentary about it.? lots of places were given false fronts and were windowless so they could run 24 hours a day
?
What are you talking about??
?
Provide some frame of reference, please.?
?
None of us were in the same room with you when you watched, whatever you watched.
toggle quoted message Show quoted text
?
?
follow the thread of the conversation and im sure you can follow along it must suck feeling left out
?
Yes, the system has been inconsistent at delivering every message.
?
For this reason alone, it makes sense to have at least the trailing messages included in a response, so people can get the needed context.?
?
toggle quoted message Show quoted text
?
?
A really great reply to an honest concern.? One shouldn't have to dredge up all previous emails to understand what is being said.? It must suck being you.
?
?
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Great, thanks for the context. I did a search of my email and only one of the early messages showed up. No idea where the rest have landed.
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for the entitled among you that cant be bothered to read.? Im sure you will be none the wiser as you will still have to read but hey your welcome
t would be interesting to try and find out the history of my lathe and how it came to be in the uk.? It appears that it was made end of april /beginning of may 1941 (going by the dates on the headstock bearings) so right when America was ramping up the
lease lend program during ww2.
?
Was atlas involved in the lease lend?? where lathes sent to the uk?
?
of course the slightly less historical important theory is that an american solder bought it before the americans went to war and then relocated over here after the war sometime
?
many thanks
Coop
?
|
The best historical resource I know of is ?
?
Raymond
?
?
|
Atlas lathes (and their other machine tools) were promoted during WW-II for defense production. ?Simple parts, in a home workshop, let folks contribute to the War Effort and make some money too. ?In some of their period literature they mention exactly
these uses. ?And given that the needs for EVERYTHING were so great, the fact that Atlas continued producing much of their product line throughout the war indicates that the government believed that the Atlas machines added value.
?
"In January 1942, the newly created War Production Board assumed responsibility for directing war procurement and production
and establishing priorities for military and civilian use of materials and supplies." from
?
As to the specifics of how YOUR lathe came to the UK? ?It is all conjecture, but we know from Tony's site that Atlas machinery
did make it to the UK.
?
Charlie
?
|
Here's a link to an interest ca. 1942 article about innovative uses of small machine tools in the war effort in the United States. I suspect the same motivations were in play in the U.K.??
?
Larry F.
?
?
|
I recall lend/lease was already well underway by spring of 1941. We entered the war by the end of 1941. Lend/lease began, I think, in the late 30's when the UK entered the war. By 1942, we were sending massive amounts of
equipment and soldiers to the UK to stage for invasion. A lathe made in spring of 1941, would have taken several months to find its way to the UK by ship. Assuming the bearing date is meaningful, I think it is equally possible that the lathe was part of lend/lease
or part of the US Army supply chain. We are known to leave a lot of equipment behind after a war so that our military contractors can make more profit resupplying us.
Bearing dates during that period are probably not as certain of an indicator as one might think. It was obviously? a little chaotic. Those bearings may not have been immediately used. They could be replacement bearings too. Atlas would not have been directly
involved in lend/lease, but they were certainly a supplier. The US government would buy products from manufacturers and lend/lease it to the UK. You will often find a tag on machine tools made for the War Dept with some language indicating such. I do not know
if that was required or done because the machinery was not always made to the same standards as commercial products. I doubt too many people were actually making parts at home for the war. However, nearly everything was rationed due to shortages. Having a
lathe at home to make or repair parts not available would make sense.
On 11/21/2024 2:41 AM, hedgesben via groups.io wrote:
?
?
|
|
|
Well, there is this account...
?
?
-Wally
?
?
?
|
At least 30,000 Harleys were sent over & I believe the bulk of those ended up in Russia . There's a company in the Netherlands? ( I think that's where it is? ) that is still selling OEM HArley parts . Here's the whole story from Wikipedia's eyes , interestin
read .
On 11/22/24 7:25 AM, Mike Poore via groups.io wrote:
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
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?
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That is interesting. I was thinking about people making parts at home in the U.S. It would make more sense for that to happen in the UK where a large factory is going to be a target for the Germans. It must have been tough
to keep those machines running with constant blackouts. They used to cut the lights to avoid aiding attacking aircraft.
On 11/22/2024 1:44 PM, I_am Wally via groups.io wrote:
?
?
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There's a bunch of South Bends over in England & I know of at least one company that was licensed to build South Bends in Australia . I'm sure there's more .
On 11/22/24 7:40 AM, Steve Bergeron via groups.io wrote:
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??? ??? I can imagine getting caught with one of these machines in? yer house by the wrong person could have very unpleasant result .
animal
On 11/22/24 7:36 PM, Mike Poore via groups.io wrote:
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i watched a documentary about it.? lots of places were given false fronts and were windowless so they could run 24 hours a day
?
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What are you talking about??
?
Provide some frame of reference, please.?
?
None of us were in the same room with you when you watched, whatever you watched.
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
?
?
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follow the thread of the conversation and im sure you can follow along it must suck feeling left out
?
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Yes, the system has been inconsistent at delivering every message.
?
For this reason alone, it makes sense to have at least the trailing messages included in a response, so people can get the needed context.?
?
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
?
?
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A really great reply to an honest concern.? One shouldn't have to dredge up all previous emails to understand what is being said.? It must suck being you.
?
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for those that do get single emails it says what the topic is about right in the subject line so i guess i was being unfair.? If they cant read that they wont manage 15 posts or what ever it was at.?
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charles brady
charles brady