Re: atlas 10" quick change tool post
OXA fits the 7" Mini-lathes. It's not in the apparent sequence you'd expect. It might be more correctly be a 0XA, or zeroXA.
I put one on my HF 7x10, but then traded the 7x10 for a couple of Unimats, and never tried it out.?
Bill in OKC?
William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)
Aphorisms to live by: Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.? SEMPER GUMBY!
Expect in one hand, expectorate in the other. See which one gets full first.
On Wednesday, October 23, 2024 at 11:06:37 AM CDT, DEEJ via groups.io <dgjohnsonstein@...> wrote:
The first letter in each of these designations refers to a size.? For instance, AXA is (as far as I know) the smallest of these style.? Your tool post has to be the right size for the tool holder to to fit on it.? The next larger size is BXA, and then CXA.? The CXA is usually put on quite large lathes.? I thimpfk I have heard of DXA too, but not sure.? Don't know the sizeof OXA.
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Re: atlas 10" quick change tool post
Pretty slick , how's the repeatability ?
thanks for sharing
animal
On 10/23/24 11:40 AM, Ken H wrote:
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I tried this as an experiment just to see if it was a possible way
to make tool holders with less machining and it does in fact work.
I just welded two rods to a piece of heavy steel in place of the
dove tails. While this does work, the time and material cost is
about = to the cost of buying the holders (@ $ 15.00 at that
time). On the other hand if you have the scrap and just love to
work in your shop as opposed to spending money, this is a viable
alternative method. And as is the case in a lot of machining
building a jig/temporary tool is a required step to making a
better tool to then complete a project.
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Ken H in AZ
Knowledge is like manure, it won't do any good unless you spread
it around.
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Re: atlas 10" quick change tool post
No . The larger ya go on the tool post the meatier the tool
holder is with a larger slot . One of my buds runs a one man shop
I think he had 6 or 7 lathes & the big one the tool post is
massive , pretty sure it's larger thatn a pint of milk . When he
puts one of his large drill bits like 2" & up or a 1 1/2 -2"
boring bar in the Mt or boring bar tool holder?? , it's a 2 handed
operation if ya can to get it mounted on the tool post . He has a
shop crane for the heavy things or for when he gets lazy .
animal
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possibly a silly question but do the tool holders for an oxa
for example fit and axa and so on
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Re: atlas 10" quick change tool post
I tried this as an experiment just to see if it was a possible way to make tool holders with less machining and it does in fact work. I just welded two rods to a piece of heavy steel in place of the dove tails. While this does work, the time and material cost is about = to the cost of buying the holders (@ $ 15.00 at that time). On the other hand if you have the scrap and just love to work in your shop as opposed to spending money, this is a viable alternative method. And as is the case in a lot of machining building a jig/temporary tool is a required step to making a better tool to then complete a project.
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Ken H in AZ
Knowledge is like manure, it won't do any good unless you spread it around.
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Re: atlas 10" quick change tool post
I wasn't trying to slam ya , just stating a fact . probably 70 %
maybe more have been at the beginning where ya are . & there's
pretty much 3 results , no tool post , buy one , build one . I'll
add this .
??? I have a Aloras style wedge tool post on my South Bend?
9Alathe . Its a AXA size? . I bought it either from CDCo tools or
CME tools . Had I known about the Multifix style tool post made by
Create tool at the time there would be one of those sitting on my
lathe .
??? ? 134.99 theirs now comes with 7
too holders instead of the 5 tool holders when I bought mine
at $ 198.00 with 5 tool holders
??? ? $ 190.00 with 4
tool holders . If ya hit more at the boom of the pic it takes ya
to a drawing with measurements .
??? like Andre mentioned extra tool holders are pretty darn cheap
on the big A or ebay .
??? Like most things from China if ya buy one from there it's a
very very good idea to dissemble the unit & remove the
manufacturing smeg , especially if ya buy a chuck . which by the
way the Sanou's are very nice chucks . Your probably gonna want to
re-clock the handle anyways . & all 3 above I mentioned come
with a blank piece of flat stock so ya can make it fit yer
compound .
??? The Multifix style gives ya 30 something positions ya can put
the tool holder in without having to loosen the top bolt like on
the Aloras style ..
??? Did ya by chance check out the bottom of yer 4 way post to
see if it had the position holes & is just missing the spring
& detent ball ?
animal
On 10/23/24 3:19 AM, Lbrewer42 via
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Admittedly my post was made hoping to be able to cut out time
sorting through tons of useless data/links to find a succinct
but complete source.? I hate wasting time at the numerous links
typically shown that end up existing to get money from the
adverts on their pages and do very little to inform.
?
For 2 decades I have been doing a lot of online research and
have seen how this scenario, sadly, is becoming the norm.
?
I appreciate your taking the time to reply and give the info
you did.? Thank you :)
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possibly a silly question but do the tool holders for an oxa for example fit and axa and so on
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Please send any list or a link or any way for me to see what you’ve got for sale.
Thanks Jim Irwin
2204 Wheaton Trail Cedar Park, TX 78613 512-294-6331
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Just checking, i have accessories left over from selling my lathe. My question is can i list them here for sale instead of Ebay? I saw the for sale forum and the last thing listed was in 2018. I just don’t want to ?cause problems.?
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Re: atlas 10" quick change tool post
OXA is the smallest being able to work with lathes up to 8"
AXA is for 9 to 12" lathes, and so on?
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To: atlas-craftsman@groups.io <atlas-craftsman@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] atlas 10" quick change tool post
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The first letter in each of these designations refers to a size.? For instance, AXA is (as far as I know) the smallest of these style.? Your tool post has to be the right size for the tool holder to to fit on it.? The next
larger size is BXA, and then CXA.? The CXA is usually put on quite large lathes.? I thimpfk I have heard of DXA too, but not sure.? Don't know the sizeof OXA.
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Re: atlas 10" quick change tool post
The first letter in each of these designations refers to a size.? For instance, AXA is (as far as I know) the smallest of these style.? Your tool post has to be the right size for the tool holder to to fit on it.? The next larger size is BXA, and then CXA.? The CXA is usually put on quite large lathes.? I thimpfk I have heard of DXA too, but not sure.? Don't know the sizeof OXA.
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Re: atlas 10" quick change tool post
Admittedly my post was made hoping to be able to cut out time sorting through tons of useless data/links to find a succinct but complete source.? I hate wasting time at the numerous links typically shown that end up existing to get money from the adverts on their pages and do very little to inform.
?
For 2 decades I have been doing a lot of online research and have seen how this scenario, sadly, is becoming the norm.
?
I appreciate your taking the time to reply and give the info you did.? Thank you :)
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Re: atlas 10" quick change tool post
https://patents.google.com/patent/US1141854A/en
That's?the 1913 patent drawing. They can be used on lathes like the Unimat, and about anything else.?
Bill in OKC?
William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)
Aphorisms to live by: Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.? SEMPER GUMBY!
Expect in one hand, expectorate in the other. See which one gets full first.
On Tuesday, October 22, 2024 at 06:18:37 PM CDT, vt_biketim <tchock59@...> wrote:
Google is your friend here, just highlight? [Norman style vs an ALoris style] from your message and add the word toolpost and then search for images. Pictures def worth a thousand words in this case. There is some confusion in that the Norman patent toolpost and the Van Norman milling machine company sound the same, but are different things. Aloris toolposts?come in different sizes for different sized lathes, denoted OXA, AXA, BXA, CXA. All the knockoffs stick with that nomenclature.
Tim?
Can someone tell this newbie what a "Van Norman style" vs an ALoris style and an AXA is?? I am just starting to look into this subject and wondering where I can find a short, concise, and factual comparison to what to look for.? Thanks!
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Re: atlas 10" quick change tool post
Google is your friend here, just highlight? [Norman style vs an ALoris style] from your message and add the word toolpost and then search for images. Pictures def worth a thousand words in this case. There is some confusion in that the Norman patent toolpost and the Van Norman milling machine company sound the same, but are different things. Aloris toolposts?come in different sizes for different sized lathes, denoted OXA, AXA, BXA, CXA. All the knockoffs stick with that nomenclature.
Tim?
Can someone tell this newbie what a "Van Norman style" vs an ALoris style and an AXA is?? I am just starting to look into this subject and wondering where I can find a short, concise, and factual comparison to what to look for.? Thanks!
?
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Re: atlas 10" quick change tool post
Can someone tell this newbie what a "Van Norman style" vs an ALoris style and an AXA is?? I am just starting to look into this subject and wondering where I can find a short, concise, and factual comparison to what to look for.? Thanks!
?
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Re: Unbranded 10in. Steady rest
I just viewed the 1941 article, thats it, thank you and now i know the accessory number??
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Re: atlas 10" quick change tool post
YA can also buy the tool post without the tool holders from some
places & they make the tool holders . What ever ya do its
gonna cost $ or material or both .
animal
On 10/22/24 9:11 AM, DEEJ via groups.io
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Ah, I had never heard of?Van Norman style QCTP so I chekt it out online.?
Yes, definitely would be easier to make than an Aloris
style QCTP--however,? the ability to change quickly tools,
is hindered by that tightening bolt.? Also, the tool
holder itself (many of them) would eat up a lot of metal
and a lot of time.? In making an Aloris style tool holder
(not the post), you can make several in one go then cut
them up .? There is more initial work on an Aloris style
but the benefits IMNSHO (in my not so humble opinion) FAR
outweigh that extra work.? Besides, most of the work is
simple drilling and tapping.? Cutting the bevels is the
part that is hardest because of the precision needed and
the possibility of breaking a couple bevel cutters.
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Thats interesting I will check this out. By the way where did you view that image?
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Re: atlas 10" quick change tool post
The major advantage to the Van Norman style QCTP? is that it can be made on the lathe. No milling machine? or even milling attachment required. Useful, yes, but not required. ;)
The Aloris style is quite complicated, and requires a well-equipped shop & a skilled metalworker. I'm closer to that now than I was in 2015...
:)
Bill in OKC?
William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)
Aphorisms to live by: Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.? SEMPER GUMBY!
Expect in one hand, expectorate in the other. See which one gets full first.
On Tuesday, October 22, 2024 at 11:11:14 AM CDT, DEEJ via groups.io <dgjohnsonstein@...> wrote:
Ah, I had never heard of?Van Norman style QCTP so I chekt it out online.? Yes, definitely would be easier to make than an Aloris style QCTP--however,? the ability to change quickly tools, is hindered by that tightening bolt.? Also, the tool holder itself (many of them) would eat up a lot of metal and a lot of time.? In making an Aloris style tool holder (not the post), you can make several in one go then cut them up .? There is more initial work on an Aloris style but the benefits IMNSHO (in my not so humble opinion) FAR outweigh that extra work.? Besides, most of the work is simple drilling and tapping.? Cutting the bevels is the part that is hardest because of the precision needed and the possibility of breaking a couple bevel cutters.
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Re: atlas 10" quick change tool post
Ah, I had never heard of?Van Norman style QCTP so I chekt it out online.? Yes, definitely would be easier to make than an Aloris style QCTP--however,? the ability to change quickly tools, is hindered by that tightening bolt.? Also, the tool holder itself (many of them) would eat up a lot of metal and a lot of time.? In making an Aloris style tool holder (not the post), you can make several in one go then cut them up .? There is more initial work on an Aloris style but the benefits IMNSHO (in my not so humble opinion) FAR outweigh that extra work.? Besides, most of the work is simple drilling and tapping.? Cutting the bevels is the part that is hardest because of the precision needed and the possibility of breaking a couple bevel cutters.
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Re: Unbranded 10in. Steady rest
It also appears curious that the 1941 catalog photo shows a steady rest with no cast in casting numbers??? ?Perhaps the early versions did not have the casting numbers ?
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On Oct 22, 2024, at 5:19?AM, mondosmetals <jwrey@...> wrote:
? It certainly is curious that there are no casting numbers, but that is an exact copy of the Atlas 10" lathe steady rest # 10-325A Illustration from 1941 Atlas catalog: <inline.0.part>
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Re: Unbranded 10in. Steady rest
For what it’s worth, my Atlas 10” steady rest has part numbers 10-326B cast in the bottom and 10-326T cast in the top. Also shown is the 1” high riser block I made to use this steady on my Atlas 12” Commercial lathe.
Steve Haskell
Troy, MI
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Bill in OKC too
Ken H
Lbrewer42
Steven H