On Mon, Aug 26, 2024 at 17:23, PF Anderson

<pfa@...> wrote:

Hi, all,?

This question is going to come in two parts.?

1) Is there an appliance store in town that includes *installation* of dishwashers??

2) I have been told by a repairman (but not one that inspires confidence) that the reason the dishwashers fail is because I am not using the officially approved soap from Cascade (which is because Cascade doesn't offer a scent-free variety and my household includes folk with?epipen-worthy fragrance allergies). So I'd appreciate either options for scent-free dishwasher packets that are better than "Seventh Generation", or a dishwasher recommendation that can cope with cheap gritty soap packets?

And here's the vent.?

I know the?soap isn't the problem this time, because the start button is sticking and the repair dude said it needs a new circuit board,?which would?cost more than buying a new washer. I figure I might as well see if anyone has helpful thoughts for the other problem before I try to buy a new?one.?

I've had horrific experiences buying from several (most recently Menard's and Maytag direct, previously Lowe's and Home Depot), and my patience with this is well past its expiration date. I buy the?dishwasher, I add installation, they schedule?delivery, then they show up and say there is no installation in my area.? I've lived here 26 years, and have had to replace the dishwasher 5 times. I used to be able to arrange installation, but the last two times I've tried to buy a new dishwasher, I've run into problems with that part, and it's a huge HUGE hassle. I'm a person with disabilities, and they expect to leave the dishwasher in my driveway and have me sort it out later. I tried that once, and the second time I tried returning it to the warehouse (after which it took several MONTHS to be reimbursed).?

The dishwasher that needs a new circuit board is a Maytag that was purchased in February 2019 with a 10-year-warranty, but I don't know that I want to fight the battle to try to get them to honor the warranty. Honestly, right now, I'm so fed up with Maytag, I wouldn't be happy with a replacement if they gave it to me for free. However, my son and I both have disabilities that make it basically impossible for us to do dishes by hand, so I need to find a solution. I'm kind of at my wit's end. I've spent a lot of hours over the past year trying to find a solution.?

Thoughts? THANK YOU in advance!?

/PF /Patricia /Pat?

--

PF Anderson, pfa@...
Emerging Technologies Informationist, University of Michigan?

ORCID:?0000-0001-6348-2324

Pronouns: all pronouns acceptable

My working hours may not be your working hours. Please do not feel obligated to reply outside of your work schedule.

The University of Michigan is located on the traditional territory of the Anishinaabe people.? In 1817, the Ojibwe, Odawa, and Bodewadami Nations made the largest single land transfer to the University of Michigan.? This was offered ceremonially as a gift through the Treaty at the Foot of the Rapids so that their children could be educated.? Through these words of acknowledgement, their contemporary and ancestral ties to the land and their contributions to the University are renewed and reaffirmed.

On Aug 26, 2024, at 5:23?PM, PF Anderson via groups.io <pfa@...> wrote:

?

Hi, all,?

This question is going to come in two parts.?

1) Is there an appliance store in town that includes *installation* of dishwashers??

2) I have been told by a repairman (but not one that inspires confidence) that the reason the dishwashers fail is because I am not using the officially approved soap from Cascade (which is because Cascade doesn't offer a scent-free variety and my household includes folk with?epipen-worthy fragrance allergies). So I'd appreciate either options for scent-free dishwasher packets that are better than "Seventh Generation", or a dishwasher recommendation that can cope with cheap gritty soap packets?

And here's the vent.?

I know the?soap isn't the problem this time, because the start button is sticking and the repair dude said it needs a new circuit board,?which would?cost more than buying a new washer. I figure I might as well see if anyone has helpful thoughts for the other problem before I try to buy a new?one.?

I've had horrific experiences buying from several (most recently Menard's and Maytag direct, previously Lowe's and Home Depot), and my patience with this is well past its expiration date. I buy the?dishwasher, I add installation, they schedule?delivery, then they show up and say there is no installation in my area.? I've lived here 26 years, and have had to replace the dishwasher 5 times. I used to be able to arrange installation, but the last two times I've tried to buy a new dishwasher, I've run into problems with that part, and it's a huge HUGE hassle. I'm a person with disabilities, and they expect to leave the dishwasher in my driveway and have me sort it out later. I tried that once, and the second time I tried returning it to the warehouse (after which it took several MONTHS to be reimbursed).?

The dishwasher that needs a new circuit board is a Maytag that was purchased in February 2019 with a 10-year-warranty, but I don't know that I want to fight the battle to try to get them to honor the warranty. Honestly, right now, I'm so fed up with Maytag, I wouldn't be happy with a replacement if they gave it to me for free. However, my son and I both have disabilities that make it basically impossible for us to do dishes by hand, so I need to find a solution. I'm kind of at my wit's end. I've spent a lot of hours over the past year trying to find a solution.?

Thoughts? THANK YOU in advance!?

/PF /Patricia /Pat?

--

PF Anderson, pfa@...
Emerging Technologies Informationist, University of Michigan?

ORCID:?0000-0001-6348-2324

Pronouns: all pronouns acceptable

My working hours may not be your working hours. Please do not feel obligated to reply outside of your work schedule.

The University of Michigan is located on the traditional territory of the Anishinaabe people.? In 1817, the Ojibwe, Odawa, and Bodewadami Nations made the largest single land transfer to the University of Michigan.? This was offered ceremonially as a gift through the Treaty at the Foot of the Rapids so that their children could be educated.? Through these words of acknowledgement, their contemporary and ancestral ties to the land and their contributions to the University are renewed and reaffirmed.

On 08/26/2024 6:04 PM EDT Mark Dobbie <mark.a.dobbie@...> wrote:

?

?

1. We’ve gotten great service from Heydlauff’s on this particular appliance and others. They show up when they say they’re going to.?

?

2. Dishwashers break a lot. I promise it’s not your soap. ??♂??

?

On Aug 26, 2024, at 5:23?PM, PF Anderson via groups.io <pfa@...> wrote:

Hi, all,?

?

This question is going to come in two parts.?

?

1) Is there an appliance store in town that includes *installation* of dishwashers??

?

2) I have been told by a repairman (but not one that inspires confidence) that the reason the dishwashers fail is because I am not using the officially approved soap from Cascade (which is because Cascade doesn't offer a scent-free variety and my household includes folk with?epipen-worthy fragrance allergies). So I'd appreciate either options for scent-free dishwasher packets that are better than "Seventh Generation", or a dishwasher recommendation that can cope with cheap gritty soap packets?

?

And here's the vent.?

?

I know the?soap isn't the problem this time, because the start button is sticking and the repair dude said it needs a new circuit board,?which would?cost more than buying a new washer. I figure I might as well see if anyone has helpful thoughts for the other problem before I try to buy a new?one.?

?

I've had horrific experiences buying from several (most recently Menard's and Maytag direct, previously Lowe's and Home Depot), and my patience with this is well past its expiration date. I buy the?dishwasher, I add installation, they schedule?delivery, then they show up and say there is no installation in my area.? I've lived here 26 years, and have had to replace the dishwasher 5 times. I used to be able to arrange installation, but the last two times I've tried to buy a new dishwasher, I've run into problems with that part, and it's a huge HUGE hassle. I'm a person with disabilities, and they expect to leave the dishwasher in my driveway and have me sort it out later. I tried that once, and the second time I tried returning it to the warehouse (after which it took several MONTHS to be reimbursed).?

?

The dishwasher that needs a new circuit board is a Maytag that was purchased in February 2019 with a 10-year-warranty, but I don't know that I want to fight the battle to try to get them to honor the warranty. Honestly, right now, I'm so fed up with Maytag, I wouldn't be happy with a replacement if they gave it to me for free. However, my son and I both have disabilities that make it basically impossible for us to do dishes by hand, so I need to find a solution. I'm kind of at my wit's end. I've spent a lot of hours over the past year trying to find a solution.?

?

Thoughts? THANK YOU in advance!?

?

/PF /Patricia /Pat?

?

--

PF Anderson, pfa@...
Emerging Technologies Informationist, University of Michigan?

ORCID:?0000-0001-6348-2324

Pronouns: all pronouns acceptable

My working hours may not be your working hours. Please do not feel obligated to reply outside of your work schedule.

The University of Michigan is located on the traditional territory of the Anishinaabe people.? In 1817, the Ojibwe, Odawa, and Bodewadami Nations made the largest single land transfer to the University of Michigan.? This was offered ceremonially as a gift through the Treaty at the Foot of the Rapids so that their children could be educated.? Through these words of acknowledgement, their contemporary and ancestral ties to the land and their contributions to the University are renewed and reaffirmed.

On Aug 26, 2024, at 5:23?PM, PF Anderson via groups.io <pfa@...> wrote:

?

Hi, all,?

This question is going to come in two parts.?

1) Is there an appliance store in town that includes *installation* of dishwashers??

2) I have been told by a repairman (but not one that inspires confidence) that the reason the dishwashers fail is because I am not using the officially approved soap from Cascade (which is because Cascade doesn't offer a scent-free variety and my household includes folk with?epipen-worthy fragrance allergies). So I'd appreciate either options for scent-free dishwasher packets that are better than "Seventh Generation", or a dishwasher recommendation that can cope with cheap gritty soap packets?

And here's the vent.?

I know the?soap isn't the problem this time, because the start button is sticking and the repair dude said it needs a new circuit board,?which would?cost more than buying a new washer. I figure I might as well see if anyone has helpful thoughts for the other problem before I try to buy a new?one.?

I've had horrific experiences buying from several (most recently Menard's and Maytag direct, previously Lowe's and Home Depot), and my patience with this is well past its expiration date. I buy the?dishwasher, I add installation, they schedule?delivery, then they show up and say there is no installation in my area.? I've lived here 26 years, and have had to replace the dishwasher 5 times. I used to be able to arrange installation, but the last two times I've tried to buy a new dishwasher, I've run into problems with that part, and it's a huge HUGE hassle. I'm a person with disabilities, and they expect to leave the dishwasher in my driveway and have me sort it out later. I tried that once, and the second time I tried returning it to the warehouse (after which it took several MONTHS to be reimbursed).?

The dishwasher that needs a new circuit board is a Maytag that was purchased in February 2019 with a 10-year-warranty, but I don't know that I want to fight the battle to try to get them to honor the warranty. Honestly, right now, I'm so fed up with Maytag, I wouldn't be happy with a replacement if they gave it to me for free. However, my son and I both have disabilities that make it basically impossible for us to do dishes by hand, so I need to find a solution. I'm kind of at my wit's end. I've spent a lot of hours over the past year trying to find a solution.?

Thoughts? THANK YOU in advance!?

/PF /Patricia /Pat?

--

PF Anderson, pfa@...
Emerging Technologies Informationist, University of Michigan?

ORCID:?0000-0001-6348-2324

Pronouns: all pronouns acceptable

My working hours may not be your working hours. Please do not feel obligated to reply outside of your work schedule.

The University of Michigan is located on the traditional territory of the Anishinaabe people.? In 1817, the Ojibwe, Odawa, and Bodewadami Nations made the largest single land transfer to the University of Michigan.? This was offered ceremonially as a gift through the Treaty at the Foot of the Rapids so that their children could be educated.? Through these words of acknowledgement, their contemporary and ancestral ties to the land and their contributions to the University are renewed and reaffirmed.

Hi, all,?

?

This question is going to come in two parts.?

?

1) Is there an appliance store in town that includes *installation* of dishwashers??

?

2) I have been told by a repairman (but not one that inspires confidence) that the reason the dishwashers fail is because I am not using the officially approved soap from Cascade (which is because Cascade doesn't offer a scent-free variety and my household includes folk with?epipen-worthy fragrance allergies). So I'd appreciate either options for scent-free dishwasher packets that are better than "Seventh Generation", or a dishwasher recommendation that can cope with cheap gritty soap packets?

?

And here's the vent.?

?

I know the?soap isn't the problem this time, because the start button is sticking and the repair dude said it needs a new circuit board,?which would?cost more than buying a new washer. I figure I might as well see if anyone has helpful thoughts for the other problem before I try to buy a new?one.?

?

I've had horrific experiences buying from several (most recently Menard's and Maytag direct, previously Lowe's and Home Depot), and my patience with this is well past its expiration date. I buy the?dishwasher, I add installation, they schedule?delivery, then they show up and say there is no installation in my area.? I've lived here 26 years, and have had to replace the dishwasher 5 times. I used to be able to arrange installation, but the last two times I've tried to buy a new dishwasher, I've run into problems with that part, and it's a huge HUGE hassle. I'm a person with disabilities, and they expect to leave the dishwasher in my driveway and have me sort it out later. I tried that once, and the second time I tried returning it to the warehouse (after which it took several MONTHS to be reimbursed).?

?

The dishwasher that needs a new circuit board is a Maytag that was purchased in February 2019 with a 10-year-warranty, but I don't know that I want to fight the battle to try to get them to honor the warranty. Honestly, right now, I'm so fed up with Maytag, I wouldn't be happy with a replacement if they gave it to me for free. However, my son and I both have disabilities that make it basically impossible for us to do dishes by hand, so I need to find a solution. I'm kind of at my wit's end. I've spent a lot of hours over the past year trying to find a solution.?

?

Thoughts? THANK YOU in advance!?

?

/PF /Patricia /Pat?

?

--

PF Anderson, pfa@...
Emerging Technologies Informationist, University of Michigan?

ORCID:?0000-0001-6348-2324

Pronouns: all pronouns acceptable

My working hours may not be your working hours. Please do not feel obligated to reply outside of your work schedule.

The University of Michigan is located on the traditional territory of the Anishinaabe people.? In 1817, the Ojibwe, Odawa, and Bodewadami Nations made the largest single land transfer to the University of Michigan.? This was offered ceremonially as a gift through the Treaty at the Foot of the Rapids so that their children could be educated.? Through these words of acknowledgement, their contemporary and ancestral ties to the land and their contributions to the University are renewed and reaffirmed.

On 08/26/2024 6:04 PM EDT Mark Dobbie <mark.a.dobbie@...> wrote:

?

?

1. We’ve gotten great service from Heydlauff’s on this particular appliance and others. They show up when they say they’re going to.?

?

2. Dishwashers break a lot. I promise it’s not your soap. ??♂??

?

On Aug 26, 2024, at 5:23?PM, PF Anderson via groups.io <pfa@...> wrote:

Hi, all,?

?

This question is going to come in two parts.?

?

1) Is there an appliance store in town that includes *installation* of dishwashers??

?

2) I have been told by a repairman (but not one that inspires confidence) that the reason the dishwashers fail is because I am not using the officially approved soap from Cascade (which is because Cascade doesn't offer a scent-free variety and my household includes folk with?epipen-worthy fragrance allergies). So I'd appreciate either options for scent-free dishwasher packets that are better than "Seventh Generation", or a dishwasher recommendation that can cope with cheap gritty soap packets?

?

And here's the vent.?

?

I know the?soap isn't the problem this time, because the start button is sticking and the repair dude said it needs a new circuit board,?which would?cost more than buying a new washer. I figure I might as well see if anyone has helpful thoughts for the other problem before I try to buy a new?one.?

?

I've had horrific experiences buying from several (most recently Menard's and Maytag direct, previously Lowe's and Home Depot), and my patience with this is well past its expiration date. I buy the?dishwasher, I add installation, they schedule?delivery, then they show up and say there is no installation in my area.? I've lived here 26 years, and have had to replace the dishwasher 5 times. I used to be able to arrange installation, but the last two times I've tried to buy a new dishwasher, I've run into problems with that part, and it's a huge HUGE hassle. I'm a person with disabilities, and they expect to leave the dishwasher in my driveway and have me sort it out later. I tried that once, and the second time I tried returning it to the warehouse (after which it took several MONTHS to be reimbursed).?

?

The dishwasher that needs a new circuit board is a Maytag that was purchased in February 2019 with a 10-year-warranty, but I don't know that I want to fight the battle to try to get them to honor the warranty. Honestly, right now, I'm so fed up with Maytag, I wouldn't be happy with a replacement if they gave it to me for free. However, my son and I both have disabilities that make it basically impossible for us to do dishes by hand, so I need to find a solution. I'm kind of at my wit's end. I've spent a lot of hours over the past year trying to find a solution.?

?

Thoughts? THANK YOU in advance!?

?

/PF /Patricia /Pat?

?

--

PF Anderson, pfa@...
Emerging Technologies Informationist, University of Michigan?

ORCID:?0000-0001-6348-2324

Pronouns: all pronouns acceptable

My working hours may not be your working hours. Please do not feel obligated to reply outside of your work schedule.

The University of Michigan is located on the traditional territory of the Anishinaabe people.? In 1817, the Ojibwe, Odawa, and Bodewadami Nations made the largest single land transfer to the University of Michigan.? This was offered ceremonially as a gift through the Treaty at the Foot of the Rapids so that their children could be educated.? Through these words of acknowledgement, their contemporary and ancestral ties to the land and their contributions to the University are renewed and reaffirmed.

On Aug 26, 2024, at 7:04?PM, dan freidus via groups.io <freidus@...> wrote:

?

I've seen that but also noted that despite calling it "free & clear" Cascade does say that it's lemon-scented.

Dan

On Mon, Aug 26, 2024 at 6:20?PM mneuliep <Martin@...> wrote:

Cascade Free & Clear ActionPacs is Wirecutter’s top pick for dishwasher detergent.

On Aug 26, 2024, at 5:23?PM, PF Anderson via <pfa=[email protected]> wrote:

?

Hi, all,?

This question is going to come in two parts.?

1) Is there an appliance store in town that includes *installation* of dishwashers??

2) I have been told by a repairman (but not one that inspires confidence) that the reason the dishwashers fail is because I am not using the officially approved soap from Cascade (which is because Cascade doesn't offer a scent-free variety and my household includes folk with?epipen-worthy fragrance allergies). So I'd appreciate either options for scent-free dishwasher packets that are better than "Seventh Generation", or a dishwasher recommendation that can cope with cheap gritty soap packets?

And here's the vent.?

I know the?soap isn't the problem this time, because the start button is sticking and the repair dude said it needs a new circuit board,?which would?cost more than buying a new washer. I figure I might as well see if anyone has helpful thoughts for the other problem before I try to buy a new?one.?

I've had horrific experiences buying from several (most recently Menard's and Maytag direct, previously Lowe's and Home Depot), and my patience with this is well past its expiration date. I buy the?dishwasher, I add installation, they schedule?delivery, then they show up and say there is no installation in my area.? I've lived here 26 years, and have had to replace the dishwasher 5 times. I used to be able to arrange installation, but the last two times I've tried to buy a new dishwasher, I've run into problems with that part, and it's a huge HUGE hassle. I'm a person with disabilities, and they expect to leave the dishwasher in my driveway and have me sort it out later. I tried that once, and the second time I tried returning it to the warehouse (after which it took several MONTHS to be reimbursed).?

The dishwasher that needs a new circuit board is a Maytag that was purchased in February 2019 with a 10-year-warranty, but I don't know that I want to fight the battle to try to get them to honor the warranty. Honestly, right now, I'm so fed up with Maytag, I wouldn't be happy with a replacement if they gave it to me for free. However, my son and I both have disabilities that make it basically impossible for us to do dishes by hand, so I need to find a solution. I'm kind of at my wit's end. I've spent a lot of hours over the past year trying to find a solution.?

Thoughts? THANK YOU in advance!?

/PF /Patricia /Pat?

--

PF Anderson, pfa@...
Emerging Technologies Informationist, University of Michigan?

ORCID:?0000-0001-6348-2324

Pronouns: all pronouns acceptable

My working hours may not be your working hours. Please do not feel obligated to reply outside of your work schedule.

The University of Michigan is located on the traditional territory of the Anishinaabe people.? In 1817, the Ojibwe, Odawa, and Bodewadami Nations made the largest single land transfer to the University of Michigan.? This was offered ceremonially as a gift through the Treaty at the Foot of the Rapids so that their children could be educated.? Through these words of acknowledgement, their contemporary and ancestral ties to the land and their contributions to the University are renewed and reaffirmed.

On Aug 26, 2024, at 7:25?PM, mneuliep <Martin@...> wrote:

?

True although they claim “no heavy perfumes”.

On Aug 26, 2024, at 7:04?PM, dan freidus via groups.io <freidus@...> wrote:

?

I've seen that but also noted that despite calling it "free & clear" Cascade does say that it's lemon-scented.

Dan

On Mon, Aug 26, 2024 at 6:20?PM mneuliep <Martin@...> wrote:

Cascade Free & Clear ActionPacs is Wirecutter’s top pick for dishwasher detergent.

On Aug 26, 2024, at 5:23?PM, PF Anderson via <pfa=[email protected]> wrote:

?

Hi, all,?

This question is going to come in two parts.?

1) Is there an appliance store in town that includes *installation* of dishwashers??

2) I have been told by a repairman (but not one that inspires confidence) that the reason the dishwashers fail is because I am not using the officially approved soap from Cascade (which is because Cascade doesn't offer a scent-free variety and my household includes folk with?epipen-worthy fragrance allergies). So I'd appreciate either options for scent-free dishwasher packets that are better than "Seventh Generation", or a dishwasher recommendation that can cope with cheap gritty soap packets?

And here's the vent.?

I know the?soap isn't the problem this time, because the start button is sticking and the repair dude said it needs a new circuit board,?which would?cost more than buying a new washer. I figure I might as well see if anyone has helpful thoughts for the other problem before I try to buy a new?one.?

I've had horrific experiences buying from several (most recently Menard's and Maytag direct, previously Lowe's and Home Depot), and my patience with this is well past its expiration date. I buy the?dishwasher, I add installation, they schedule?delivery, then they show up and say there is no installation in my area.? I've lived here 26 years, and have had to replace the dishwasher 5 times. I used to be able to arrange installation, but the last two times I've tried to buy a new dishwasher, I've run into problems with that part, and it's a huge HUGE hassle. I'm a person with disabilities, and they expect to leave the dishwasher in my driveway and have me sort it out later. I tried that once, and the second time I tried returning it to the warehouse (after which it took several MONTHS to be reimbursed).?

The dishwasher that needs a new circuit board is a Maytag that was purchased in February 2019 with a 10-year-warranty, but I don't know that I want to fight the battle to try to get them to honor the warranty. Honestly, right now, I'm so fed up with Maytag, I wouldn't be happy with a replacement if they gave it to me for free. However, my son and I both have disabilities that make it basically impossible for us to do dishes by hand, so I need to find a solution. I'm kind of at my wit's end. I've spent a lot of hours over the past year trying to find a solution.?

Thoughts? THANK YOU in advance!?

/PF /Patricia /Pat?

--

PF Anderson, pfa@...
Emerging Technologies Informationist, University of Michigan?

ORCID:?0000-0001-6348-2324

Pronouns: all pronouns acceptable

My working hours may not be your working hours. Please do not feel obligated to reply outside of your work schedule.

The University of Michigan is located on the traditional territory of the Anishinaabe people.? In 1817, the Ojibwe, Odawa, and Bodewadami Nations made the largest single land transfer to the University of Michigan.? This was offered ceremonially as a gift through the Treaty at the Foot of the Rapids so that their children could be educated.? Through these words of acknowledgement, their contemporary and ancestral ties to the land and their contributions to the University are renewed and reaffirmed.

On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 9:58 AM, Dan Pritts

<danno@...> wrote:

Another vote for big George’s, although I haven’t been 100% satisfied with their installers. ?

The topic came up on Reddit /r/AnnArbor within the last week as well. Big George had mixed reviews. ?Heydlauff had a few positive votes and no negatives ?that I remember.?

And yes, you’re right, a different brand of soap did not break your circuit board.?

Sent from phone, please excuse typos and/or brevity

On Aug 26, 2024, at 7:25?PM, mneuliep <Martin@...> wrote:

?

True although they claim “no heavy perfumes”.

On Aug 26, 2024, at 7:04?PM, dan freidus via groups.io <freidus@...> wrote:

?

I've seen that but also noted that despite calling it "free & clear" Cascade does say that it's lemon-scented.

Dan

On Mon, Aug 26, 2024 at 6:20?PM mneuliep <Martin@...> wrote:

Cascade Free & Clear ActionPacs is Wirecutter’s top pick for dishwasher detergent.

On Aug 26, 2024, at 5:23?PM, PF Anderson via <pfa=[email protected]> wrote:

?

Hi, all,?

This question is going to come in two parts.?

1) Is there an appliance store in town that includes *installation* of dishwashers??

2) I have been told by a repairman (but not one that inspires confidence) that the reason the dishwashers fail is because I am not using the officially approved soap from Cascade (which is because Cascade doesn't offer a scent-free variety and my household includes folk with?epipen-worthy fragrance allergies). So I'd appreciate either options for scent-free dishwasher packets that are better than "Seventh Generation", or a dishwasher recommendation that can cope with cheap gritty soap packets?

And here's the vent.?

I know the?soap isn't the problem this time, because the start button is sticking and the repair dude said it needs a new circuit board,?which would?cost more than buying a new washer. I figure I might as well see if anyone has helpful thoughts for the other problem before I try to buy a new?one.?

I've had horrific experiences buying from several (most recently Menard's and Maytag direct, previously Lowe's and Home Depot), and my patience with this is well past its expiration date. I buy the?dishwasher, I add installation, they schedule?delivery, then they show up and say there is no installation in my area.? I've lived here 26 years, and have had to replace the dishwasher 5 times. I used to be able to arrange installation, but the last two times I've tried to buy a new dishwasher, I've run into problems with that part, and it's a huge HUGE hassle. I'm a person with disabilities, and they expect to leave the dishwasher in my driveway and have me sort it out later. I tried that once, and the second time I tried returning it to the warehouse (after which it took several MONTHS to be reimbursed).?

The dishwasher that needs a new circuit board is a Maytag that was purchased in February 2019 with a 10-year-warranty, but I don't know that I want to fight the battle to try to get them to honor the warranty. Honestly, right now, I'm so fed up with Maytag, I wouldn't be happy with a replacement if they gave it to me for free. However, my son and I both have disabilities that make it basically impossible for us to do dishes by hand, so I need to find a solution. I'm kind of at my wit's end. I've spent a lot of hours over the past year trying to find a solution.?

Thoughts? THANK YOU in advance!?

/PF /Patricia /Pat?

--

PF Anderson, pfa@...
Emerging Technologies Informationist, University of Michigan?

ORCID:?0000-0001-6348-2324

Pronouns: all pronouns acceptable

My working hours may not be your working hours. Please do not feel obligated to reply outside of your work schedule.

The University of Michigan is located on the traditional territory of the Anishinaabe people.? In 1817, the Ojibwe, Odawa, and Bodewadami Nations made the largest single land transfer to the University of Michigan.? This was offered ceremonially as a gift through the Treaty at the Foot of the Rapids so that their children could be educated.? Through these words of acknowledgement, their contemporary and ancestral ties to the land and their contributions to the University are renewed and reaffirmed.

On Aug 30, 2024, at 7:12?AM, Mike Fried via groups.io <mikefried@...> wrote:

?Have you considered that there is something wrong with the electricity coming into your house - power surges or drops causing the dishwasher failures? I suggest that you contact DTE and have them check it out.?

On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 9:58 AM, Dan Pritts

<danno@...> wrote:

Another vote for big George’s, although I haven’t been 100% satisfied with their installers. ?

The topic came up on Reddit /r/AnnArbor within the last week as well. Big George had mixed reviews. ?Heydlauff had a few positive votes and no negatives ?that I remember.?

And yes, you’re right, a different brand of soap did not break your circuit board.?

Sent from phone, please excuse typos and/or brevity

On Aug 26, 2024, at 7:25?PM, mneuliep <Martin@...> wrote:

?

True although they claim “no heavy perfumes”.

On Aug 26, 2024, at 7:04?PM, dan freidus via groups.io <freidus@...> wrote:

?

I've seen that but also noted that despite calling it "free & clear" Cascade does say that it's lemon-scented.

Dan

On Mon, Aug 26, 2024 at 6:20?PM mneuliep <Martin@...> wrote:

Cascade Free & Clear ActionPacs is Wirecutter’s top pick for dishwasher detergent.

On Aug 26, 2024, at 5:23?PM, PF Anderson via <pfa=[email protected]> wrote:

?

Hi, all,?

This question is going to come in two parts.?

1) Is there an appliance store in town that includes *installation* of dishwashers??

2) I have been told by a repairman (but not one that inspires confidence) that the reason the dishwashers fail is because I am not using the officially approved soap from Cascade (which is because Cascade doesn't offer a scent-free variety and my household includes folk with?epipen-worthy fragrance allergies). So I'd appreciate either options for scent-free dishwasher packets that are better than "Seventh Generation", or a dishwasher recommendation that can cope with cheap gritty soap packets?

And here's the vent.?

I know the?soap isn't the problem this time, because the start button is sticking and the repair dude said it needs a new circuit board,?which would?cost more than buying a new washer. I figure I might as well see if anyone has helpful thoughts for the other problem before I try to buy a new?one.?

I've had horrific experiences buying from several (most recently Menard's and Maytag direct, previously Lowe's and Home Depot), and my patience with this is well past its expiration date. I buy the?dishwasher, I add installation, they schedule?delivery, then they show up and say there is no installation in my area.? I've lived here 26 years, and have had to replace the dishwasher 5 times. I used to be able to arrange installation, but the last two times I've tried to buy a new dishwasher, I've run into problems with that part, and it's a huge HUGE hassle. I'm a person with disabilities, and they expect to leave the dishwasher in my driveway and have me sort it out later. I tried that once, and the second time I tried returning it to the warehouse (after which it took several MONTHS to be reimbursed).?

The dishwasher that needs a new circuit board is a Maytag that was purchased in February 2019 with a 10-year-warranty, but I don't know that I want to fight the battle to try to get them to honor the warranty. Honestly, right now, I'm so fed up with Maytag, I wouldn't be happy with a replacement if they gave it to me for free. However, my son and I both have disabilities that make it basically impossible for us to do dishes by hand, so I need to find a solution. I'm kind of at my wit's end. I've spent a lot of hours over the past year trying to find a solution.?

Thoughts? THANK YOU in advance!?

/PF /Patricia /Pat?

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Thanks to everyone for all the suggestions and information! I am supplying a collation and synopsis.?

* Appliance Store Recommendations

ABC Warehouse, <>
AJ Madison, <>
Big George's, <> / 3 votes for, 2 maybes
Heydlauff’s, <> / 4 votes for, none opposed

* Dishwasher Repair Recommendations (for our stuck start button)

1) Heydlauff's Service department is the old "Master Tech Appliance Service" ?(734) 662-0641 .? Ask them to send John.
2) Try a can of circuit cleaner from the hardware store. Spray the switch and the door sensor. Clean soap scum from the door gasket.?
3) Power surges or drops may cause dishwasher failures. Check with DTE. Homeowners insurance may provide a free Ting device, which will report on low voltage events. State Farm offered a free Ting device

* Dishwasher Recommendations

Bosch - 3
Kenmore - 1
Miele - 1
And, yes, some had good experiences with their Maytag (I had a Kenmore twice before the Maytag.)

* Dishwasher Soap Recommendations

Cascade Free & Clear ActionPacs?

REPLY: Unfortunately this is not scent free. We've already tried it. I repeat, I have an a epi-pen worthy fragrance allergy. Fragrance-light just means I'll only get somewhat?sick. I don't want to get sick each time I have to do dishes. I sometimes have anaphylaxis while riding the bus from folk wearing scents, and earlier this week while walking the dog. Someone with heavy perfume parked near where we were walking and opened their car door. I never even saw them. I was 2 blocks from home, and it took me an hour to get home. I had to sit down for a long time before I could walk again. The reaction lasted through the next day.I've always felt safe outdoors. Not so much now. Honestly, if anyone uses dishwasher pods that are truly unscented and they like them, would you please give me a single sample to try? I hate buying a pack of 40, 60, 80, 120 and not being able to use them.?

On Fri, Aug 30, 2024 at 1:59?PM Edward Vielmetti <edward.vielmetti@...> wrote:

I have State Farm and they offered a free Ting device. It's
never alerted on any in-house wiring faults for me, but it
might for you, and if nothing else it's free peace of mind.



It may also be available other ways through other insurance companies,
but that's what I know.

Ed

On Fri, Aug 30, 2024 at 12:21?PM Spencer W. Thomas via
<spencer=[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Your homeowners insurance may provide you with a free Ting device, which will report on low voltage events.
>
> =Spencer
>
>
> On Aug 30, 2024, at 7:12?AM, Mike Fried via <mikefried=[email protected]> wrote:
>
> ?Have you considered that there is something wrong with the electricity coming into your house - power surges or drops causing the dishwasher failures? I suggest that you contact DTE and have them check it out.
>
> Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer
>
> On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 9:58 AM, Dan Pritts
> <danno@...> wrote:
> Another vote for big George’s, although I haven’t been 100% satisfied with their installers.
>
> The topic came up on Reddit /r/AnnArbor within the last week as well. Big George had mixed reviews.? Heydlauff had a few positive votes and no negatives? that I remember.
>
> And yes, you’re right, a different brand of soap did not break your circuit board.
>
> Sent from phone, please excuse typos and/or brevity
>
> On Aug 26, 2024, at 7:25?PM, mneuliep <Martin@...> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> True although they claim “no heavy perfumes”.
>
> On Aug 26, 2024, at 7:04?PM, dan freidus via <freidus=[email protected]> wrote:
>
> ?
> I've seen that but also noted that despite calling it "free & clear" Cascade does say that it's lemon-scented.
>
> Dan
>
> On Mon, Aug 26, 2024 at 6:20?PM mneuliep <Martin@...> wrote:
>
> Cascade Free & Clear ActionPacs is Wirecutter’s top pick for dishwasher detergent.
>
> On Aug 26, 2024, at 5:23?PM, PF Anderson via <pfa=[email protected]> wrote:
>
> ?
> Hi, all,
>
> This question is going to come in two parts.
>
> 1) Is there an appliance store in town that includes *installation* of dishwashers?
>
> 2) I have been told by a repairman (but not one that inspires confidence) that the reason the dishwashers fail is because I am not using the officially approved soap from Cascade (which is because Cascade doesn't offer a scent-free variety and my household includes folk with epipen-worthy fragrance allergies). So I'd appreciate either options for scent-free dishwasher packets that are better than "Seventh Generation", or a dishwasher recommendation that can cope with cheap gritty soap packets?
>
> And here's the vent.
>
> I know the soap isn't the problem this time, because the start button is sticking and the repair dude said it needs a new circuit board, which would cost more than buying a new washer. I figure I might as well see if anyone has helpful thoughts for the other problem before I try to buy a new one.
>
> I've had horrific experiences buying from several (most recently Menard's and Maytag direct, previously Lowe's and Home Depot), and my patience with this is well past its expiration date. I buy the dishwasher, I add installation, they schedule delivery, then they show up and say there is no installation in my area.? I've lived here 26 years, and have had to replace the dishwasher 5 times. I used to be able to arrange installation, but the last two times I've tried to buy a new dishwasher, I've run into problems with that part, and it's a huge HUGE hassle. I'm a person with disabilities, and they expect to leave the dishwasher in my driveway and have me sort it out later. I tried that once, and the second time I tried returning it to the warehouse (after which it took several MONTHS to be reimbursed).
>
> The dishwasher that needs a new circuit board is a Maytag that was purchased in February 2019 with a 10-year-warranty, but I don't know that I want to fight the battle to try to get them to honor the warranty. Honestly, right now, I'm so fed up with Maytag, I wouldn't be happy with a replacement if they gave it to me for free. However, my son and I both have disabilities that make it basically impossible for us to do dishes by hand, so I need to find a solution. I'm kind of at my wit's end. I've spent a lot of hours over the past year trying to find a solution.
>
> Thoughts? THANK YOU in advance!
>
> /PF /Patricia /Pat
>
> --
> PF Anderson, pfa@...
> Emerging Technologies Informationist, University of Michigan
>
> ORCID: 0000-0001-6348-2324
> Hear my name
> Pronouns: all pronouns acceptable
> My working hours may not be your working hours. Please do not feel obligated to reply outside of your work schedule.
> The University of Michigan is located on the traditional territory of the Anishinaabe people.? In 1817, the Ojibwe, Odawa, and Bodewadami Nations made the largest single land transfer to the University of Michigan.? This was offered ceremonially as a gift through the Treaty at the Foot of the Rapids so that their children could be educated.? Through these words of acknowledgement, their contemporary and ancestral ties to the land and their contributions to the University are renewed and reaffirmed.
>
>



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PF Anderson, pfa@...
Emerging Technologies Informationist, University of Michigan?

ORCID:?0000-0001-6348-2324

Pronouns: all pronouns acceptable

My working hours may not be your working hours. Please do not feel obligated to reply outside of your work schedule.

The University of Michigan is located on the traditional territory of the Anishinaabe people.? In 1817, the Ojibwe, Odawa, and Bodewadami Nations made the largest single land transfer to the University of Michigan.? This was offered ceremonially as a gift through the Treaty at the Foot of the Rapids so that their children could be educated.? Through these words of acknowledgement, their contemporary and ancestral ties to the land and their contributions to the University are renewed and reaffirmed.