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Jennifer Dye

734-709-8502


Re: action requested on Ann Arbor City Council review of streetlights

 

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Hi Jennifer,

Thanks for sharing this! I often struggle to generate a message to send to government representatives, so I'm sharing a generic copy of what I just sent to my councilmembers, with the hope that it might make it faster for others to write their own, given the time sensitivity.

Katherine

SUBJECT: Concern about LED Streetlight Conversion project

BODY:

Hello Councilmembers ___ and ___,

I am a constituent in Ward ___, with an interest and concern about light pollution, which not only affects our ability to enjoy the night sky but also affects wildlife behavior, health, and movement.

I am writing about the current efforts on the part of DTE to replace the streetlight bulbs with LED equivalents. It has come to my attention that the supplemental information recently provided by DTE is not accurate and is misleading, as it is comparing different measurement systems for lumens (specifically visible light vs. total spectrum light output).

Fundamentally, the problem is that the proposed 58W LED replacements will be 300-400% brighter than the IES/ANSI national recommended standards for residential neighborhoods. These IES/ANSI standards are based on the brightness received on the ground, and these are the standards that Ann Arbor should work to meet.

I encourage you to consider postponing any decisions on this matter until accurate information is available for evaluation and constituent voices are heard.

Thank you for your time and consideration,
__YOUR NAME___
YOUR STREET ADDRESS, Ward ___

J Dye wrote on 8/7/2024 10:37 AM:

This came from Michigan Dark Skies. If you are concerned about addressing light pollution in Ann Arbor, you might take some of the proposed actions.

Jennifer

This Thursday, August 8 at 7pm, Ann Arbor City Council will again review the LED streetlight conversion project.? Thanks to your feedback, they postponed the approval and asked staff to renegotiate with DTE.? The materials were posted today, and show that their efforts were unsuccessful.? Instead, DTE persuaded them that 58W LEDs are just as bright as the existing 100W high-pressure sodium (HPS) lights.? This is false and misleading.? The states:

the lumen output with shielding?(5,843 lumens) is the more relevant value for comparison. This lumen output represents a 22% reduction from?the 100W HPS baseline


This statement is false*.? Moreover, we have field data that demonstrates that 58W LEDs are much brighter than existing 100W HPS lights in Ann Arbor, and that the LEDs are 300-400% brighter than the IES/ANSI national recommended standards in residential neighborhoods.? DTE is manipulating the narrative to focus on lumens, whereas the IES/ANSI standards are based on the brightness received on the ground, i.e., footcandles (or lux).? The discussion needs to refocus on getting Ann Arbor compliant with the ANSI standards.? These standards are carefully developed by the lighting industry to consider all uses, including pedestrians, bicycles, cars, etc.

We have 2 Action requests:

- Before the meeting this Thursday night:??we need people to?email the City Council?to again protest the existing plan.? Nothing has changed, except that DTE is misrepresenting the data: ?CityCouncil@...
If you know your Council reps, please also contact them individually --.

- This Thursday, August 8, 7pm:???Is anyone interested in speaking up at the?session?at the start of the meeting?? You can do so by zoom or phone or in-person.? You?must call?734-794-6140?sign up in advance on the day of the meeting.? The item is?, but you don't have to stay for the Council discussion.? The?.? Instructions and call-in numbers are on.? You can also ask for the direct Zoom link. ??

Please let City Council know that you are watching and that you still care about this.? The City should focus on enabling an alternative plan.? Please express concern that nothing has changed since July 15 and feel free to reuse any of the information below in your email to Council.

Many thanks -- let's do it again!


Sally Oey ?(she/her;?)
University of Michigan, Department of Astronomy
323 West Hall,?1085 S. University Ave,?Ann Arbor, MI ?48109-1107
phone: +1-734-936-7885,? fax: +1-734-763-6317


*The 5843 lumen value is the?visible?light output, whereas the value used for the HPS baseline (7486 lumens) is the?total?light output that includes non-visible light (IR and UV).? The comparison is apples to oranges: ?would you read a book by the light of your 1000-W toaster oven?? It outputs a LOT more lumens than your light bulb.? Standard HPS to LED that a standard 100W HPS light should be replaced by a 30-ish W LED. ?

Also, shielding does not change the lumen output, confirming that one can't compare values across columns in the staff memo table.


Jennifer Dye

734-709-8502



action requested on Ann Arbor City Council review of streetlights

 

This came from Michigan Dark Skies. If you are concerned about addressing light pollution in Ann Arbor, you might take some of the proposed actions.

Jennifer

This Thursday, August 8 at 7pm, Ann Arbor City Council will again review the LED streetlight conversion project.? Thanks to your feedback, they postponed the approval and asked staff to renegotiate with DTE.? The materials were posted today, and show that their efforts were unsuccessful.? Instead, DTE persuaded them that 58W LEDs are just as bright as the existing 100W high-pressure sodium (HPS) lights.? This is false and misleading.? The states:

the lumen output with shielding?(5,843 lumens) is the more relevant value for comparison. This lumen output represents a 22% reduction from?the 100W HPS baseline


This statement is false*.? Moreover, we have field data that demonstrates that 58W LEDs are much brighter than existing 100W HPS lights in Ann Arbor, and that the LEDs are 300-400% brighter than the IES/ANSI national recommended standards in residential neighborhoods.? DTE is manipulating the narrative to focus on lumens, whereas the IES/ANSI standards are based on the brightness received on the ground, i.e., footcandles (or lux).? The discussion needs to refocus on getting Ann Arbor compliant with the ANSI standards.? These standards are carefully developed by the lighting industry to consider all uses, including pedestrians, bicycles, cars, etc.

We have 2 Action requests:

- Before the meeting this Thursday night:??we need people to?email the City Council?to again protest the existing plan.? Nothing has changed, except that DTE is misrepresenting the data: ?CityCouncil@...
If you know your Council reps, please also contact them individually --.

- This Thursday, August 8, 7pm:???Is anyone interested in speaking up at the?session?at the start of the meeting?? You can do so by zoom or phone or in-person.? You?must call?734-794-6140?sign up in advance on the day of the meeting.? The item is?, but you don't have to stay for the Council discussion.? The?.? Instructions and call-in numbers are on.? You can also ask for the direct Zoom link. ??

Please let City Council know that you are watching and that you still care about this.? The City should focus on enabling an alternative plan.? Please express concern that nothing has changed since July 15 and feel free to reuse any of the information below in your email to Council.

Many thanks -- let's do it again!


Sally Oey ?(she/her;?)
University of Michigan, Department of Astronomy
323 West Hall,?1085 S. University Ave,?Ann Arbor, MI ?48109-1107
phone: +1-734-936-7885,? fax: +1-734-763-6317


*The 5843 lumen value is the?visible?light output, whereas the value used for the HPS baseline (7486 lumens) is the?total?light output that includes non-visible light (IR and UV).? The comparison is apples to oranges: ?would you read a book by the light of your 1000-W toaster oven?? It outputs a LOT more lumens than your light bulb.? Standard HPS to LED that a standard 100W HPS light should be replaced by a 30-ish W LED. ?

Also, shielding does not change the lumen output, confirming that one can't compare values across columns in the staff memo table.


Jennifer Dye

734-709-8502


Re: Lunch This Wednesday 8/7/2024 11:45am at First Bite on Main

 

IN

--Roger--



On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 1:18?PM Roy Richter via <richter=[email protected]> wrote:
We tried the Broadway Cafe last week, 8 people attended.? The consensus was there was no reason to return given all the other options we have in town.
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Next week, we will return to First Bite (last visit 22 May 2024) downtown on Main street, while we can still easily go downtown.? Please RSVP if you are planning on coming, since seating is somewhat tight here.? You can see the menu in advance at .
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First Bite
108 S. Main Street
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(Picture Courtesy of Annie Warnock via Google)


Re: Lunch This Wednesday 8/7/2024 11:45am at First Bite on Main

 

I plan to be there.


Michael Fried
https://michaelfried.com


On Monday, August 5, 2024 at 01:18:53 PM EDT, Roy Richter via groups.io <richter@...> wrote:


We tried the Broadway Cafe last week, 8 people attended.? The consensus was there was no reason to return given all the other options we have in town.
?
Next week, we will return to First Bite (last visit 22 May 2024) downtown on Main street, while we can still easily go downtown.? Please RSVP if you are planning on coming, since seating is somewhat tight here.? You can see the menu in advance at .
?
First Bite
108 S. Main Street
?
(Picture Courtesy of Annie Warnock via Google)


Re: Lunch This Wednesday 8/7/2024 11:45am at First Bite on Main

 

Hoping to be there for lunch on Wednesday, with
stories of the Farmers Market in Portland Oregon
and the recent conference FOSSY 2024 that I went
to there (heading home now).

Ed

On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 10:18?AM Roy Richter via groups.io
<richter@...> wrote:

We tried the Broadway Cafe last week, 8 people attended. The consensus was there was no reason to return given all the other options we have in town.

Next week, we will return to First Bite (last visit 22 May 2024) downtown on Main street, while we can still easily go downtown. Please RSVP if you are planning on coming, since seating is somewhat tight here. You can see the menu in advance at .

First Bite
108 S. Main Street

(Picture Courtesy of Annie Warnock via Google)


--
Edward Vielmetti +1 734 330 2465
edward.vielmetti@...


Re: Lunch This Wednesday 8/7/2024 11:45am at First Bite on Main

 

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Planning to be there late


On Aug 5, 2024, at 1:18?PM, Roy Richter via groups.io <richter@...> wrote:

?
We tried the Broadway Cafe last week, 8 people attended.? The consensus was there was no reason to return given all the other options we have in town.
?
Next week, we will return to First Bite (last visit 22 May 2024) downtown on Main street, while we can still easily go downtown.? Please RSVP if you are planning on coming, since seating is somewhat tight here.? You can see the menu in advance at .
?
First Bite
108 S. Main Street
<First Bite.jpg>
<First Bite map.jpg>
?
(Picture Courtesy of Annie Warnock via Google)


Re: Lunch This Wednesday 8/7/2024 11:45am at First Bite on Main

 

I plan to attend.

Mike


Lunch This Wednesday 8/7/2024 11:45am at First Bite on Main

 

We tried the Broadway Cafe last week, 8 people attended.? The consensus was there was no reason to return given all the other options we have in town.
?
Next week, we will return to First Bite (last visit 22 May 2024) downtown on Main street, while we can still easily go downtown.? Please RSVP if you are planning on coming, since seating is somewhat tight here.? You can see the menu in advance at .
?
First Bite
108 S. Main Street
?
(Picture Courtesy of Annie Warnock via Google)


Re: Lunch Next Wednesday 7/31/2024 11:45am at Broadway Cafe on Broadway

 

Me too!!

On Wed, Jul 31, 2024, at 8:25 AM, Mike Fried via groups.io wrote:
I wiil be there.?
Mike



On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 9:38 PM, Brian Rice
<berice53@...> wrote:
I plan to be there, too.

On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 9:36?PM dan freidus via <freidus=[email protected]> wrote:
I'll be there.
Dan

On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 4:36?PM Roy Richter via <richter=[email protected]> wrote:
Last week, we met at Madras Masala, 6 people attended.? This week, we go to the Broadway Cafe for the first time.? It is close to the lower intersection of Broadway and Plymouth Rd.? Spencer found, scouted, and recommended this place.? It serves BeeBimBop.
?
Please RSVP if you know your plans.? If you want to see the menu in advance, it is at .
?
1139 Broadway







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-brian rice




Re: Lunch Next Wednesday 7/31/2024 11:45am at Broadway Cafe on Broadway

 

I wiil be there.?
Mike


On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 9:38 PM, Brian Rice
<berice53@...> wrote:
I plan to be there, too.

On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 9:36?PM dan freidus via <freidus=[email protected]> wrote:
I'll be there.
Dan

On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 4:36?PM Roy Richter via <richter=[email protected]> wrote:
Last week, we met at Madras Masala, 6 people attended.? This week, we go to the Broadway Cafe for the first time.? It is close to the lower intersection of Broadway and Plymouth Rd.? Spencer found, scouted, and recommended this place.? It serves BeeBimBop.
?
Please RSVP if you know your plans.? If you want to see the menu in advance, it is at .
?
1139 Broadway



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-brian rice


Re: Lunch Next Wednesday 7/31/2024 11:45am at Broadway Cafe on Broadway

 

I plan to be there, too.


On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 9:36?PM dan freidus via <freidus=[email protected]> wrote:
I'll be there.
Dan

On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 4:36?PM Roy Richter via <richter=[email protected]> wrote:
Last week, we met at Madras Masala, 6 people attended.? This week, we go to the Broadway Cafe for the first time.? It is close to the lower intersection of Broadway and Plymouth Rd.? Spencer found, scouted, and recommended this place.? It serves BeeBimBop.
?
Please RSVP if you know your plans.? If you want to see the menu in advance, it is at .
?
1139 Broadway



--
----
-brian rice


Re: Lunch Next Wednesday 7/31/2024 11:45am at Broadway Cafe on Broadway

 

I'll be there.
Dan

On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 4:36?PM Roy Richter via <richter=[email protected]> wrote:
Last week, we met at Madras Masala, 6 people attended.? This week, we go to the Broadway Cafe for the first time.? It is close to the lower intersection of Broadway and Plymouth Rd.? Spencer found, scouted, and recommended this place.? It serves BeeBimBop.
?
Please RSVP if you know your plans.? If you want to see the menu in advance, it is at .
?
1139 Broadway


Re: Lunch Next Wednesday 7/31/2024 11:45am at Broadway Cafe on Broadway

 

It's been a long time since...looking forward to it!

Ed

On Monday, July 29, 2024 at 04:36:19 PM EDT, Roy Richter via groups.io <richter@...> wrote:


Last week, we met at Madras Masala, 6 people attended.? This week, we go to the Broadway Cafe for the first time.? It is close to the lower intersection of Broadway and Plymouth Rd.? Spencer found, scouted, and recommended this place.? It serves BeeBimBop.
?
Please RSVP if you know your plans.? If you want to see the menu in advance, it is at .
?
1139 Broadway


Re: Lunch Next Wednesday 7/31/2024 11:45am at Broadway Cafe on Broadway

 

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Yes

=Spencer


On Jul 29, 2024, at 4:53?PM, Edward Vielmetti <edward.vielmetti@...> wrote:

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I'll be out of town in Portland Oregon staying
near Portland State University, if anyone has
any Portland area suggestions I'm up for them

On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 4:51?PM RM Rayle via <rmrayle=[email protected]> wrote:
IN

--Roger--



On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 4:36?PM Roy Richter via <richter=[email protected]> wrote:
Last week, we met at Madras Masala, 6 people attended.? This week, we go to the Broadway Cafe for the first time.? It is close to the lower intersection of Broadway and Plymouth Rd.? Spencer found, scouted, and recommended this place.? It serves BeeBimBop.
?
Please RSVP if you know your plans.? If you want to see the menu in advance, it is at .
?
1139 Broadway
<Broadway Cafe Map.jpg>
<Broadway Cafe.jpg>



--
Edward Vielmetti?+1 734 330 2465


Re: Lunch Next Wednesday 7/31/2024 11:45am at Broadway Cafe on Broadway

 

I'll be out of town in Portland Oregon staying
near Portland State University, if anyone has
any Portland area suggestions I'm up for them

On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 4:51?PM RM Rayle via <rmrayle=[email protected]> wrote:
IN

--Roger--



On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 4:36?PM Roy Richter via <richter=[email protected]> wrote:
Last week, we met at Madras Masala, 6 people attended.? This week, we go to the Broadway Cafe for the first time.? It is close to the lower intersection of Broadway and Plymouth Rd.? Spencer found, scouted, and recommended this place.? It serves BeeBimBop.
?
Please RSVP if you know your plans.? If you want to see the menu in advance, it is at .
?
1139 Broadway



--
Edward Vielmetti?+1 734 330 2465


Re: Lunch Next Wednesday 7/31/2024 11:45am at Broadway Cafe on Broadway

 

IN

--Roger--



On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 4:36?PM Roy Richter via <richter=[email protected]> wrote:
Last week, we met at Madras Masala, 6 people attended.? This week, we go to the Broadway Cafe for the first time.? It is close to the lower intersection of Broadway and Plymouth Rd.? Spencer found, scouted, and recommended this place.? It serves BeeBimBop.
?
Please RSVP if you know your plans.? If you want to see the menu in advance, it is at .
?
1139 Broadway


Lunch Next Wednesday 7/31/2024 11:45am at Broadway Cafe on Broadway

 

Last week, we met at Madras Masala, 6 people attended.? This week, we go to the Broadway Cafe for the first time.? It is close to the lower intersection of Broadway and Plymouth Rd.? Spencer found, scouted, and recommended this place.? It serves BeeBimBop.
?
Please RSVP if you know your plans.? If you want to see the menu in advance, it is at .
?
1139 Broadway


DPL librarian positions

 

While there are no librarian positions posted on the website, I spoke with one of the directors yesterday who said that HR is working hard to hire more librarians. We're having a wave of retirements, including the assistant manager at my branch.

Packrat that I am, I have saved copies of several postings, though possibly not all levels. If you, or someone else, is interested, I'd be glad to forward postings.

And I'll mention again the posting for Technical Training Associate and Customer Service Representative (20 hour per week, entry level).


I've griped about DPL, but no more than I have about previous positions I've held.

Jennifer


Jennifer Dye

734-709-8502


Backyard Concert this Friday 7/26

 

You are all invited to a backyard concert on Henry Street at the Packard
end, featuring Chloe Kimes. That block of Henry will be closed, and food
trucks will be available for dinner and dessert. Bring your own chair
and your beverage of choice.

Suggested ticket price is $20/person -- proceeds go to the artist. Venmo
@APlevek (or use the QR code on the poster).

See attached poster for more info.

(I have no association other than being a neighbor and wanting to
support this sort of thing. Unfortunately, I will not be there, as I
will be "working" at the Summer Beer Fest in Ypsilanti.)

=Spencer