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I have a mysterious Heinz 57 Vinegar car..? Yellow tank with. Blue "57" but larger than the Atlas Car. Blue "Heinz Vinegars" (also larger than the Atlac car. Brown Flat with white Text "H.J. Heinz Co. 203" No small print 'Dim Data'
It appears to be pad printed, So I dont think it was custom.? Its not close enough to the Atlas or E&C cars to be a variation.? And it does not seem detailed enough to be an NSE/NCS release..?
Does anyone know the origin of this version?
Email me for a pic (last time I tried attaching a photo it didnt seem to work.) ~Ian
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Hi Ian,
You do mean the car is physically the same and just the painting/printing is different, correct? Because there are two different versions. The one as you describe and the other with the blue flat and dimensional data. I was sure I had both versions but I can only find the blue flat version right now.
I was also sure George had both cars pictured on his site but I only see the blue flat version there too.
Does it say "Atlas Austria" on the bottom?
Doug
In a message dated 3/23/2019 11:44:10 AM Central Standard Time, learmoia@... writes:
I have a mysterious Heinz 57 Vinegar car..?
Yellow tank with.
Blue "57" but larger than the Atlas Car.
Blue "Heinz Vinegars" (also larger than the Atlac car.
Brown Flat with white Text "H.J. Heinz Co. 203"
No small print 'Dim Data'
It appears to be pad printed, So I dont think it was custom.? Its not close enough to the Atlas or E&C cars to be a variation.? And it does not seem detailed enough to be an NSE/NCS release..?
Does anyone know the origin of this version?
Email me for a pic (last time I tried attaching a photo it didnt seem to work.)
~Ian
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Yes 2 schemes of the same car..? Both have Atlas Austria on the under frame
Trying to attach a pic.. Not sure if it will go through.
?~Ian
On Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 12:14 Douglas Gosha via Groups.Io <dgosha= [email protected]> wrote:
Hi Ian,
You do mean the car is physically the same and just the painting/printing is different, correct? Because there are two different versions. The one as you describe and the other with the blue flat and dimensional data. I was sure I had both versions but I can only find the blue flat version right now.
I was also sure George had both cars pictured on his site but I only see the blue flat version there too.
Does it say "Atlas Austria" on the bottom?
Doug
In a message dated 3/23/2019 11:44:10 AM Central Standard Time, learmoia@... writes:
I have a mysterious Heinz 57 Vinegar car..?
Yellow tank with.
Blue "57" but larger than the Atlas Car.
Blue "Heinz Vinegars" (also larger than the Atlac car.
Brown Flat with white Text "H.J. Heinz Co. 203"
No small print 'Dim Data'
It appears to be pad printed, So I dont think it was custom.? Its not close enough to the Atlas or E&C cars to be a variation.? And it does not seem detailed enough to be an NSE/NCS release..?
Does anyone know the origin of this version?
Email me for a pic (last time I tried attaching a photo it didnt seem to work.)
~Ian
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Actually that worked.? Interesting, I’ve never seen the yellow and blue scheme, mine is all boxcar brown.
Cheers,
Martin Sent from a mobile device, may contain typos
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On Mar 23, 2019, at 6:44 PM, learmoia < learmoia@...> wrote: Yes 2 schemes of the same car..? Both have Atlas Austria on the under frame
Trying to attach a pic.. Not sure if it will go through.
?~Ian On Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 12:14 Douglas Gosha via Groups.Io <dgosha= [email protected]> wrote:
Hi Ian,
You do mean the car is physically the same and just the painting/printing is different, correct? Because there are two different versions. The one as you describe and the other with the blue flat and dimensional data. I was sure I had both versions but I can only find the blue flat version right now.
I was also sure George had both cars pictured on his site but I only see the blue flat version there too.
Does it say "Atlas Austria" on the bottom?
Doug
In a message dated 3/23/2019 11:44:10 AM Central Standard Time, learmoia@... writes:
I have a mysterious Heinz 57 Vinegar car..?
Yellow tank with.
Blue "57" but larger than the Atlas Car.
Blue "Heinz Vinegars" (also larger than the Atlac car.
Brown Flat with white Text "H.J. Heinz Co. 203"
No small print 'Dim Data'
It appears to be pad printed, So I dont think it was custom.? Its not close enough to the Atlas or E&C cars to be a variation.? And it does not seem detailed enough to be an NSE/NCS release..?
Does anyone know the origin of this version?
Email me for a pic (last time I tried attaching a photo it didnt seem to work.)
~Ian
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Marty, yours is a Heinz scheme all brown?
~Ian
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Yes, I’ll try to find it and post a pic if there’s any interest? Sent from a mobile device, may contain typos
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On Mar 23, 2019, at 8:03 PM, learmoia < learmoia@...> wrote: Marty, yours is a Heinz scheme all brown?
~Ian
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Sure, I'd like to see it.. Here are my 5..?
On Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 19:44 Martin Landry < 914four@...> wrote: Yes, I’ll try to find it and post a pic if there’s any interest? Sent from a mobile device, may contain typos Marty, yours is a Heinz scheme all brown?
~Ian
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Question concerning the Heinz vinegar car?? I remember this car with Atlas's first offerings back in the 60's but when did the prototype car get removed from service ? Such a unique looking car and surprise the vinegar wasn't hauled in a standard style to car ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Rick
On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 5:44 PM, Martin Landry <914four@...> wrote: Yes, I’ll try to find it and post a pic if there’s any interest? Sent from a mobile device, may contain typos Marty, yours is a Heinz scheme all brown?
~Ian
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( hauled in a standard style tank car)_
On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 9:10 PM, guitarrick_c1812 via Groups.Io <guitarrick_c1812@...> wrote: Question concerning the Heinz vinegar car?? I remember this car with Atlas's first offerings back in the 60's but when did the prototype car get removed from service ? Such a unique looking car and surprise the vinegar wasn't hauled in a standard style to car ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Rick On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 5:44 PM, Martin Landry <914four@...> wrote: Yes, I’ll try to find it and post a pic if there’s any interest? Sent from a mobile device, may contain typos Marty, yours is a Heinz scheme all brown?
~Ian
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Vinegar couldn't be carried in a metal tank car because vinegar is acidic and the reaction with the metal would ruin the vinegar. Nowadays of course, they could spray the interior with some kind of liner so it wouldn't affect the vinegar but they had nothing in those days.
Doug
In a message dated 3/23/2019 11:14:33 PM Central Standard Time, guitarrick_c1812@... writes:
( hauled in a standard style tank car)_
On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 9:10 PM, guitarrick_c1812 via Groups.Io
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Question concerning the Heinz vinegar car??
I remember this car with Atlas's first offerings back in the 60's but when did the prototype car get removed from service ? Such a unique looking car and surprise the vinegar wasn't hauled in a standard style to car ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Rick
On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 5:44 PM, Martin Landry
<914four@...> wrote:
Yes, I’ll try to find it and post a pic if there’s any interest?
Sent from a mobile device, may contain typos
Marty, yours is a Heinz scheme all brown?
~Ian
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Rick, do you remember seeing both version of the car back then? The yellow on a blue flat with dimensional data on the flat, and the yellow on a brown flat without the data? I know I have seen both and
I thought I had both of them but I can't find the brown flat version.
Doug_._,_._,_
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I remember seeing the brown flat but can't say for certain if it had dimensional data on it or not ? The blue Flat doesn't look prototypically correct to me even though it was a offering from Atlas at the time. Most flats were painted black or brown at the time and can't see a railroad and/or customer paying ?extra cost to paint a run of cars blue. I could be completely wrong but history shows most the the time businesses run with what they got. Use the paints they have on hand. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Rick
On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 9:39 PM, Douglas Gosha via Groups.Io <dgosha@...> wrote:
Rick, do you remember seeing both version of the car back then? The yellow on a blue flat with dimensional data on the flat, and the yellow on a brown flat without the data? I know I have seen both and
I thought I had both of them but I can't find the brown flat version.
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I looked at the A1g site. There are pics of the blue car as the original Atlas car. Then there are pics of the E-R models by Roco of a newer run. This car has a brown flat with no reporting marks.
I have both models somewhere but only remember there was a second run. I don't remember who did the second run. It must have been E-R. I will try to find my model to see if the E-R car says Atlas on the bottom.
Chuck Seemann? ?Aurora, Colorado
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Chuck and all,
My copy of the E-R/Roco version of this car has the "Atlas" ground out and the "Austria" remaining.? I just checked.
From the images on the A1G site, you can see that I don't have the #200 with a brown flat car.?? So this is a mystery, to me anyway...
Cheers,
George your list-owner
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The E&C car pictured looks more black than brown (to me).. for sure more brown than the car I have, and the lettering is different on the flat and tank.
~Ian
I looked at the A1g site. There are pics of the blue car as the original Atlas car. Then there are pics of the E-R models by Roco of a newer run. This car has a brown flat with no reporting marks.
I have both models somewhere but only remember there was a second run. I don't remember who did the second run. It must have been E-R. I will try to find my model to see if the E-R car says Atlas on the bottom.
Chuck Seemann? ?Aurora, Colorado
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I ran an Ebay search for "vinegar" and learned 2 things: 1: Ebay seems to be blocking visibility of completed listings on the website. 2: Atlas made a second run of Vinegar cars in the 1990s? (based on the jewel case cradle color and label) -- The car I have is from this '2nd run' In this case, each car had 2 numbers,the cars come in the medium size jewel case commonly used from Mid 1980s-today for larger Covered Hoppers and the TOFC cars,? Also the cars have a white cradle.
I found: Heinz ATL 3051 #203 and ATL 3052 #204 and Milwaukee ATL 3053 #10 and ATL 3054 #16
~Ian
On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 8:28 PM learmoia via Groups.Io <learmoia= [email protected]> wrote: The E&C car pictured looks more black than brown (to me).. for sure more brown than the car I have, and the lettering is different on the flat and tank.
~Ian
I looked at the A1g site. There are pics of the blue car as the original Atlas car. Then there are pics of the E-R models by Roco of a newer run. This car has a brown flat with no reporting marks.
I have both models somewhere but only remember there was a second run. I don't remember who did the second run. It must have been E-R. I will try to find my model to see if the E-R car says Atlas on the bottom.
Chuck Seemann? ?Aurora, Colorado
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I have attached?4 photos: Micro Trains for the NSE, road #227, it looks like they use the Atlas/Roco tank and their flat car, all most the same blue as Atlas. Roco/E-R road #200 dark blue almost looks like black on the flat car. Atlas road #204, box car red/mineral brown. And Atlas road #208 blue flat car, a lighter blue than the Roco E-R blue. At the swap meets I have seen this car with a slight varying of the blue.?
Michael Bishop
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Two data points...
First, the Micro-Trains release doesn't use the Roco tooling.? It's their standard 45000/045 body style with a resin tank literally taped to the car.? I have the N Scale Collector/N Scale Enthusiast 2016 Author Car and I just looked at it.? (And let the factory air out... well, actually I'd done that already.)
Second, despite having mentioned it on the A1G page for the vinegar tank cars, I completely forgot about the short-lived re-release of the car that Atlas did.? I only have "in the 1980s" as the timeframe which means someone (i.e., me, your list owner) is going to have to look through a lot of magazines to see if Atlas advertised this rerun.? There are no records of it on TroveStar and I don't own any of these re-releases.? That's unlike the E-R Models cars, where I do have all four.
Oh, one other unintended consequence of this discussion?? Two members left the group!? Was it something we said...?
Cheers,
George (your list-owner)
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I noticed Paul Dickdash left. I always hope it's not a health issue causing it.
Doug
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Oh, one other unintended consequence of this discussion?? Two members left the group!? Was it something we said...?
Cheers,
George (your list-owner)
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Those photos are very interesting. I must go to the basement and see what I have. I think I have Atlas #1 and Atlas #2, not the E-R. Eyeballs are better than memory.
Is this a place to ask about other than Atlas such as Minitrix, AHM and Arnold-Rapido? If I am going to find the vinegar car i think I will have other questions.
Also there was an N scale guide by a man who lived near Johnstown, PA. It came out in the 80s or so. Does anyone remember this?
Chuck Seemann? ?Aurora, Colorado
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