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Re: Im back to building my zbend modules
Randall Smidt
Stu, the emergency circuit is rarely used. I think only one group has actually used it. It was envisioned for very large layouts. Not sure about the appendix, but i'll double-check with Rob as well.
Send me an e-mail off-list if you could. I have a question for you about NTS 2007 in Detroit. Thanks, Randy Smidt Washington, DC Z-Bend track cgwcnw <ksonta@...> wrote: After a few months off due to work, I now have some free time to work on my modules. Started to build the wire harnesses for the electrical and came across a small problem. The zbend manual states that the emergency stop circuit detection is covered in the appendix and I cannot find it online. Was this ever published? is it necessary?.... I am using the sugesstion of Rob allbritton for the additional lines. The only one not used is the loopback pins 20 and 21. Are these even necessary? |
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Re: Imp back to building my Z-Bend modules
SJ-BAZ man
They are only used for DCC installations, connecting all the modules in
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series, primarily for large shows. Normally closed switches are connected in series so that any one button can shut down they entire layout or controlled section. NCE DCC systems support Emergency Off on each Cab already and, with the advent of electronic circuit breakers, most layouts are already protected in sections. At least the BAZ BoyZ and GirlZ modules are. Jeff SF Bay Area Z modules -----Original Message-----
From: Z-Bend_Track@... [mailto:Z-Bend_Track@...]On Behalf Of cgwcnw Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 5:34 PM To: Z-Bend_Track@... Subject: [Z-Bend_Track] Im back to building my zbend modules After a few months off due to work, I now have some free time to work on my modules. Started to build the wire harnesses for the electrical and came across a small problem. The zbend manual states that the emergency stop circuit detection is covered in the appendix and I cannot find it online. Was this ever published? is it necessary?.... I am using the sugesstion of Rob allbritton for the additional lines. The only one not used is the loopback pins 20 and 21. Are these even necessary? |
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Im back to building my zbend modules
After a few months off due to work, I now have some free time to work on my modules.
Started to build the wire harnesses for the electrical and came across a small problem. The zbend manual states that the emergency stop circuit detection is covered in the appendix and I cannot find it online. Was this ever published? is it necessary?.... I am using the sugesstion of Rob allbritton for the additional lines. The only one not used is the loopback pins 20 and 21. Are these even necessary? |
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Re: Bill K.
To Bill,Well said..perfectly said, Bill H! Bill K, Once in a while one notices that something is missing, something that used to be fun and interesting, even exciting, and your posts, your wisdom, and your wit are definitely missed by myself. You always had a way of making the most complex or odd detail seem simple. Thank you so much for all you have done, and here's to your return to the Z community. Merry Christmas! John |
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Bill K.
To Bill,
You are the one who caused me to sign off my messages with Bill, El Toro, CA. I needed to differentiate my irrelevant messages from yours and the many other Bills who are into model railroading. May I wish you a truly Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. We all miss your posts and we wait for you to return with all the gusto and energy that you have been giving to the ZBend group for all these many years. During the past few weeks we, the ZoCal group, have been working furiously to complete a set of modules for the January 2007 train show in Anaheim. With Lajos Thek's help we are able to show the ingenuity of your basic design. A base structure for building what ever you wish but still be a part of a greater modular structure. (I bet that you never envisioned sausage shaped end modules. Lajos has a great sense of humor) May the new year bring you actively back into our world of running trains much to the amazement of a large contingent of people who do not yet realize that Z scale will soon dominate their lives. I personally want to thank you for creating something that lets me enjoy watching the little kids, 5 and under, who come running up with wide eyed wonder at the little trains. Looking forward to meeting you at the 2008 National Train Show in Anaheim. By then we will have Lajo's other modules completed. All we need are a few more new members in our ZoCal Zbend group. Take care and be well soon. Your friend, Bill El Toro, CA |
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Re: Wire harness help
Jeff Merrill
Robin,
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The extension cord someone must have referenced is likely a computer parallel printer port cable which is 25 pins. However, they are too small of a conductor for the power feeds, often only 30 gauge or smaller, only enough for <<1 Amp. You should have good cables for the module interconnects so distributed power to further modules is not comprimised. But you can use small conductor wire feeders from this bus (e.g. either end of the module where these Z-bend cables terminate) to the track. #26 is more than enough for track feeders but #22 is recomended anyway, a common hook-up wire size. Jeff SF Bay Area Z ----- Original Message ----
From: Robin <robinchris@...> To: Z-Bend_Track@... Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2006 1:21:52 PM Subject: [Z-Bend_Track] Re: Wire harness help Michael, Where is the list of items for the harnesses posted? Is it in a file on this forum? Another question: Some one mentioned that an option would be to buy an "extension cord" with the pin wiring and just cut the thing in half. Thereby reducing the time for soldering. Is this possible and what would be the "extension cord" to buy? I know these questions illustrate how much I do not understand about computer, electronic equipment and what pin connector can fit to another. A case in point: My husband and I want to remove the wireless router from our computer setup, but are afraid we won't get the wires pluged back into the correct spaces and then end up with a non-functioning computer. Sad, silly, but true. So thank you for your patience and help. Thanks, Robin --- In Z-Bend_Track@ yahoogroups. com, Michael Hilliard <mchwilton@. ..> wrote: < ics.com/> , a supplier Bill K. used. For a end module, instead of the single male/female connector, you could just use separate ones wired accordingly and just plug the wires into a single 6 terminal block under the module. This reduces the parts needing to be gathered. I don't have the double hoods or the PCB's for end or power harnesses, or the instructions for them, just for the thru modules. shipped directly to you, just send a check for $85.25, enough parts for 10 thru module harnesses. You'll have to separate the parts into kits yourself for your various members. I believe I'll have enough for 3 extra kits out of my latest order if you'd like them @ $15/kit, including wire + actual shipping, I "think" it would fit into a flat rate priority mail box. LMK, otherwise I'll place another order for next week to sell just kits to you. says that I actually need 1 1/2 straight through kits per T module and Ihave two T's in the making. I also need an end module harness. So I guess Ineed 3 straight through and one end harness kit. Can do?send you a copy, OK?get the 18ga speaker wire from Walmart, $8.96/100'. Only differance isit is both copper/gold color with a white stripe on one wire. Can stillfilled doout a fewforms and headed through the doors to retirement.ever at the hand.before youleave."shortly. IFrom thevery start, it was never my intention to make any profit ...and theneverIndid....and won't start now. It was just a z-friendly effort tohelp model trainpeople find parts they probably didn't know where to buy.Shack (or Dick fordaysinahead.a "bagging" the modulethehas moved on |
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Re: Wire harness help
Hi Robin and all,
We had a Tri-State Z Scalers meet today and I did a demonstration of how to install the assembled cables. I assembled 6 sets this week for our local group and 4 kits bagged up. Loren, your kits will be in the mail Monday. More ZBT info. soon. I'm exausted now. Here we go again, I posted this a couple weeks ago, however updated now... Below is a parts list sent by Bill K. a while back. I placed a order to make 10 sets of wiring harnesses last night. All the parts came from , except the 18ga wire, which I got 600' from Walmart for $53.76 + tax, plenty for 10 modules. The All Electronics order totaled $85.25 for everything else including shipping. So under $150 you can get enough parts & wire for 10 modules. From All Electronics, prices are for 10 or more parts in most cases: SKU DESCRIPTION QTY PRICE DB-25H DB25 HOOD 40PCS $0.29/EA DB-25S D-SUB CONNECTOR, 25PIN FEMALE 20PCS $0.55/EA DB-25P D-SUB CONNECTOR, 25 PIN MALE 20PCS $0.50/EA SLT-38 3/8" DIA. SPLIT LOOM TUBING 42FT $0.15/FT CSI-3 INSULATED STAPLE 0.3" DIA. (BOX/100) 2 $3.50/BOX ****LCL-2 1/2" DIA. CUSHIONED LOOP CLAMP 40 $0.20/EA (see below) TB-17 17.5 AMP FEED-THROUGH TERM STRIP 10 $1.55/EA HUG-14B 1/4" HS TUBE, BLACK, 4' PIECE 1 $1.90/EA HUG-14R 1/4" HS TUBE, RED, 4' PIECE 1 $1.90/EA HUG-14W 1/4" HS TUBE, WHITE, 4' PIECE 1 $1.90/EA ****LCL-2 1/2" DIA. CUSHIONED LOOP CLAMP DISCONTINUED, I bought the last 9 they had left. Home Depot sells the same clamps for $1.25 for a 2pk, they also sell plastic clamps that will work as well, I think for $1.75 for a 12pk. Besides the parts above you will also need and not included in the kits I provide, per kit: 4pcs. #4 x 1/2" screws (for the terminal blocks) 4pcs. #10 x 1/2" screws (for the cable clamps) 4 sets of 3/4" - 1" square velcro (to hold the cables in place when in transit) Michael Hilliard Wilton, CT USA Robin <robinchris@...> wrote: Michael, Where is the list of items for the harnesses posted? Is it in a file on this forum? Another question: Some one mentioned that an option would be to buy an "extension cord" with the pin wiring and just cut the thing in half. Thereby reducing the time for soldering. Is this possible and what would be the "extension cord" to buy? I know these questions illustrate how much I do not understand about computer, electronic equipment and what pin connector can fit to another. A case in point: My husband and I want to remove the wireless router from our computer setup, but are afraid we won't get the wires pluged back into the correct spaces and then end up with a non-functioning computer. Sad, silly, but true. So thank you for your patience and help. Thanks, Robin --- In Z-Bend_Track@..., Michael Hilliard <mchwilton@...> wrote: <> , a supplier Bill K. used. For a end module, instead of the single male/female connector, you could just use separate ones wired accordingly and just plug the wires into a single 6 terminal block under the module. This reduces the parts needing to be gathered. I don't have the double hoods or the PCB's for end or power harnesses, or the instructions for them, just for the thru modules. shipped directly to you, just send a check for $85.25, enough parts for 10 thru module harnesses. You'll have to separate the parts into kits yourself for your various members. I believe I'll have enough for 3 extra kits out of my latest order if you'd like them @ $15/kit, including wire + actual shipping, I "think" it would fit into a flat rate priority mail box. LMK, otherwise I'll place another order for next week to sell just kits to you. says that I actually need 1 1/2 straight through kits per T module and Ihave two T's in the making. I also need an end module harness. So I guess Ineed 3 straight through and one end harness kit. Can do?send you a copy, OK?get the 18ga speaker wire from Walmart, $8.96/100'. Only differance isit is both copper/gold color with a white stripe on one wire. Can stillfilled doout a fewforms and headed through the doors to retirement.ever at the hand.before youleave."shortly. IFrom thevery start, it was never my intention to make any profit ...and theneverIndid....and won't start now. It was just a z-friendly effort tohelp model trainpeople find parts they probably didn't know where to buy.Shack (or Dick fordaysinahead.a "bagging" the modulethehas moved on |
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Re: Wire harness help
Robin
Michael,
Where is the list of items for the harnesses posted? Is it in a file on this forum? Another question: Some one mentioned that an option would be to buy an "extension cord" with the pin wiring and just cut the thing in half. Thereby reducing the time for soldering. Is this possible and what would be the "extension cord" to buy? I know these questions illustrate how much I do not understand about computer, electronic equipment and what pin connector can fit to another. A case in point: My husband and I want to remove the wireless router from our computer setup, but are afraid we won't get the wires pluged back into the correct spaces and then end up with a non-functioning computer. Sad, silly, but true. So thank you for your patience and help. Thanks, Robin --- In Z-Bend_Track@..., Michael Hilliard <mchwilton@...> wrote: <> , a supplier Bill K. used. For a end module, instead of the single male/female connector, you could just use separate ones wired accordingly and just plug the wires into a single 6 terminal block under the module. This reduces the parts needing to be gathered. I don't have the double hoods or the PCB's for end or power harnesses, or the instructions for them, just for the thru modules. shipped directly to you, just send a check for $85.25, enough parts for 10 thru module harnesses. You'll have to separate the parts into kits yourself for your various members. I believe I'll have enough for 3 extra kits out of my latest order if you'd like them @ $15/kit, including wire + actual shipping, I "think" it would fit into a flat rate priority mail box. LMK, otherwise I'll place another order for next week to sell just kits to you. says that I actually need 1 1/2 straight through kits per T module and Ihave two T's in the making. I also need an end module harness. So I guess Ineed 3 straight through and one end harness kit. Can do?send you a copy, OK?get the 18ga speaker wire from Walmart, $8.96/100'. Only differance isit is both copper/gold color with a white stripe on one wire. Can stillfilled doout a fewforms and headed through the doors to retirement.ever at the hand.before youleave."shortly. IFrom thevery start, it was never my intention to make any profit ...and theneverIndid....and won't start now. It was just a z-friendly effort tohelp model trainpeople find parts they probably didn't know where to buy.Shack (or Dick fordaysinahead.a "bagging" the modulethehas moved on |
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New file uploaded to Z-Bend_Track
Hello,
This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the Z-Bend_Track group. File : /ZBendTrackInstruct.pdf Uploaded by : mchwilton <mchwilton@...> Description : Full Module Wiring Harness Instructions You can access this file at the URL: To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: Regards, mchwilton <mchwilton@...> |
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Re: Wire harness help
Jeff Merrill
Sounds fine. You figured out the power tap too :) Pin 20-21 are for the EMO, designed for shows but more for NTS. Since we use DCC, we have the remote EMO. Wiring specs that we use are: Inner, Outer and ACC. For module extensions based on large or multiple spurs or turnouts using blocks, I supply the Raw full DCC on pins 22-23. This way you get the full 5 Amps compared to the 0.5A for the Inner track feed. Pins 24-25 you can use for intermodule stuff. These 4 pins (21-25) are user defined. Since Rob does have the 22-23 wiring yet, you won't see the Wye's 5 Amp raw feed. Nic's module wiring includes this so if you connected to his module, you would have it to feed an electronic circuit breaker to feed you module's Inner mainline, AutoReverser and spurs. Use an EB3 from NCE. But for now, just wire it all together but do it to terminal strip so you can add the circuit breaker later.
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The flexible point is how to connect each end's connectors. There has to be a bus from one end to the other, each side of the module. This can be from the Z-bend connectors attaching to a terminal strip at each end with the bus running between or, you can put one terminal strip in the middle and connect long Z-bend cables to it along with track feeders. Messy and croweded that way. I use the 12-10 terminal strips from Halted, R&D Electronics or even Rat Schak. These are white, have holes for the wires and are not the classic black terminal strips with the screws that need spade lugs. Jeff ----- Original Message ----
From: Matthew Petach <mpetach@...> To: Z-Bend_Track@... Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:38:13 AM Subject: Re: [Z-Bend_Track] Re: Wire harness help So far so good on the ones I'm cranking out. Do we follow the wiring exactly as laid out in the Z-Bend_Track_Manual_2004.pdf document, or are there any variations I should be aware of when wiring up the module? I've made up 3 double-ended connectors, one for my mini-turnaround, one for the balloon module, and one for feeding power into the modules. I just wanted to make sure it's OK to follow the spec exactly as it's laid out, including the emergency power-off feeders on pins 20 and 21... Thanks! Matt ----- Original Message ---- From: Jeff Merrill <sj-baz-man@...> To: Z-Bend_Track@... Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 5:31:18 PM Subject: Re: [Z-Bend_Track] Re: Wire harness help There's no way I can make 10 before then. I just got back from Europe Monday nite, have to finish my modules for a test run this weekend, go see my Mom (just out of Psych ward) and finish up for the show on Xgiving weekend. Week end after, I have to go to the San Diego show but since I am driving, that's Thursday 1/30 - Monday 2/4. Maybe after. Bill's PC bds are the best way to go. If you can at least get the PC bds, the connectors, wire and soldering are easy. The local surplus place has the red/black zip cord which I prefer over Bill's clear speaker wire (one copper, one tinned wire visible thru clear jacket). Jeff ----- Original Message ---- From: Michael Hilliard <mchwilton@...> To: Z-Bend_Track@... Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:03:08 PM Subject: Re: [Z-Bend_Track] Re: Wire harness help Hi, Jeff, if you can make 10 within 2 weeks, the Tri-State Z Scalers will buy them <seriously>. We need them for our Dec. meet and for a major train show in Jan. If not, I plan to order parts tomorrow (Tues. or Wed.) for the Tri-State Z Scalers, I'd be happy to order enough parts for CZM as well (less wire, wire is heavy to ship) as long as you let me know ASAP and I'll ship your parts at cost + acual shipping. I plan to get the 18ga speaker wire from Walmart, $8.96/100'. Only differance is it is both copper/gold color with a white stripe on one wire. Can still use the ZBT instructions, just think gold and white stripe when assembling instead of gold and silver. This seems to be the best price without buying 1000's of ft. at a time. The parts will not be as cheap as Bill K's., as I'm not buying by the 100 or 1000 parts at a time. Having spoke to Bill K. recently, I don't think we can get cables/kits from him at this time. It's not that he doesn't want to help us, he just can't at this time. If you'll notice on the zbendtrack website, the link to cables is still there, but the link doesn't work anymore. Luckily I have printed out instructions on how to assemble them that I can copy for you. I also have a complete parts list as well. I just can't help with end & power cables yet, just thru module wiring at this point. I'm not offering to assemble cables for you now, just get the parts. LMK, I actually hope you can help Jeff, if not, my offer is open for the CZM. All Z BeZt, Michael Hilliard 39 Old Huckleberry Rd. Wilton, CT 06897 ph. 203-762-2476 Jeff Merrill <sj-baz-man@sbcgloba l.net> wrote: If not, I'd be happy to help make some up or help get parts at cost + mailing. Jeff ----- Original Message ---- From: Robin <robinchris@kalama. com> To: Z-Bend_Track@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 12:30:21 PM Subject: [Z-Bend_Track] Re: Wire harness help Some CZM members are making their first modules and need wiring harneses. Are the kits with instructions still available for purchase? Thanks, Robin --- In Z-Bend_Track@ yahoogroups. com, zbendtrack@. .. wrote: out a few forms and headed through the doors to retirement.ever at the office. "You've got to finish this and that project before youleave" ...or worse..."here' s another special project we'd like to have you dobefore you leave."shortly. From the very start, it was never my intention to make any profit ...and Inever did....and won't start now. It was just a z-friendly effort tohelp model train people find parts they probably didn't know where to buy.Shack (or Dick Smith). But you probably wouldn't like the price much as mine.I've been buying in multiples of 100 (or more) and with only one shippingcharge to your door it was cheaper to get the stuff from me.letters. What started out as Fun and a Favor turned into a Factory operation. Inmy N scale days, everyone knew how to solder, but not so in Z as I foundout. Charging 5 bucks per hour for my soldering time didn't help much either (allmy own train time was spent soldering for others because I priced my timetoo cheap). But after two miles (4.7 kilometers) of soldered cables and fiveyears, I just got tired. Sorry. I've got some modules I'm dying to build in thedays ahead.a "bagging" operation and make up bagged "sets of parts" available (at cost) ina number of ways/outlets complete with printed instructions. And hope to atleast get most of my parts costs out.sources so anyone can get the same components I buy, directly, at the "oneeach" price. I'm pretty careful and picky on what I've been buying to insure zeroproblems when it all plugs together, and over years of use.the module shells andhas moved on power connector Yahoo! Groups Links ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Compare mortgage rates for today. Get up to 5 free quotes. Www2.nextag.com Yahoo! Groups Links |
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Re: Wire harness help
I posted the parts list, prices, etc. for All Electronics <> , a supplier Bill K. used. For a end module, instead of the single male/female connector, you could just use separate ones wired accordingly and just plug the wires into a single 6 terminal block under the module. This reduces the parts needing to be gathered. I don't have the double hoods or the PCB's for end or power harnesses, or the instructions for them, just for the thru modules.
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If you'd prefer me to order the parts for you and have them shipped directly to you, just send a check for $85.25, enough parts for 10 thru module harnesses. You'll have to separate the parts into kits yourself for your various members. I believe I'll have enough for 3 extra kits out of my latest order if you'd like them @ $15/kit, including wire + actual shipping, I "think" it would fit into a flat rate priority mail box. LMK, otherwise I'll place another order for next week to sell just kits to you. Michael Hilliard Loren Snyder <ljsnyder@...> wrote: MIchael, I need some harness kits also if it isn't too late. I believe Brad says that I actually need 1 1/2 straight through kits per T module and I have two T's in the making. I also need an end module harness. So I guess I need 3 straight through and one end harness kit. Can do? Loren PS. I have the instructions for the harness kits Robin, so I'll send you a copy, OK? -------Original Message-------
From: Robin Date: 11/14/06 17:43:09 To: Z-Bend_Track@... Subject: [Z-Bend_Track] Re: Wire harness help You are so right about the wire. We can get that here for cheap. We just don't have a good source for the parts and could use some group purchase to reduce cost and make sure we get the right things. Also, if someone could send us a copy of the instructions. I was disapointed to see that all those nice photos and instructions were not working on the website. CZM could use 6 harness kits for the straight through modules. We also want 1 for an end module eventually. Thanks, Robin --- In Z-Bend_Track@..., Michael Hilliard <mchwilton@...> wrote: will buy them <seriously>. We need them for our Dec. meet and for a major train show in Jan. Tri-State Z Scalers, I'd be happy to order enough parts for CZM as well (less wire, wire is heavy to ship) as long as you let me know ASAP and I'll ship your parts at cost + acual shipping. I plan to get the 18ga speaker wire from Walmart, $8.96/100'. Only differance is it is both copper/gold color with a white stripe on one wire. Can still use the ZBT instructions, just think gold and white stripe when assembling instead of gold and silver. This seems to be the best price without buying 1000's of ft. at a time. The parts will not be as cheap as Bill K's., as I'm not buying by the 100 or 1000 parts at a time. cables/kits from him at this time. It's not that he doesn't want to help us, he just can't at this time. If you'll notice on the zbendtrack website, the link to cables is still there, but the link doesn't work anymore. Luckily I have printed out instructions on how to assemble them that I can copy for you. I also have a complete parts list as well. I just can't help with end & power cables yet, just thru module wiring at this point. I'm not offering to assemble cables for you now, just get the parts. for the CZM. All Z BeZt, parts at cost + mailing. In my Nfoundscale days, everyone knew how to solder, but not so in Z as I out. Charging(all5 bucks per hour for my soldering time didn't help much either my owntimetrain time was spent soldering for others because I priced my too cheap).inBut after two miles (4.7 kilometers) of soldered cables and fiveyears, I justgot tired. Sorry. I've got some modules I'm dying to build in thedaysahead.a "bagging" a number oftheways/outlets complete with printed instructions. And hope to atleast get most ofmy parts costs out.sources so shells andpower connector Yahoo! Groups Links |
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Re: Wire harness help
There are detailed instructions available beyond the 2004 manual. They were posted with the cable kits, but luckily I printed them out before they were taken off the net. I'd be happy to snail-mail these if anyone sends thier address off list.
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Below is a parts list sent by Bill K. a while back. I placed a order to make 10 sets of wiring harnesses last night. All the parts came from , except the 18ga wire, which I got 600' from Walmart for $53.76 + tax, plenty for 10 modules. The All Electronics order totaled $85.25 for everything else including shipping. So under $150 you can get enough parts & wire for 10 modules. From All Electronics, prices are for 10 or more parts in most cases: SKU DESCRIPTION QTY PRICE DB-25H DB25 HOOD 40PCS $0.29/EA DB-25S D-SUB CONNECTOR, 25PIN FEMALE 20PCS $0.55/EA DB-25P D-SUB CONNECTOR, 25 PIN MALE 20PCS $0.50/EA SLT-38 3/8" DIA. SPLIT LOOM TUBING 42FT $0.15/FT CSI-3 INSULATED STAPLE 0.3" DIA. (BOX/100) 2 $3.50/BOX LCL-2 1/2" DIA. CUSHIONED LOOP CLAMP 40 $0.20/EA TB-17 17.5 AMP FEED-THROUGH TERM STRIP 10 $1.55/EA HUG-14B 1/4" HS TUBE, BLACK, 4' PIECE 1 $1.90/EA HUG-14R 1/4" HS TUBE, RED, 4' PIECE 1 $1.90/EA HUG-14W 1/4" HS TUBE, WHITE, 4' PIECE 1 $1.90/EA HUG-34B 3/4" HS TUBE, BLACK, 4' PEICE 1 $3.15/EA I hope this helps people get started making thier own wiring harnesses. I plan to offer "kits" for $15 each +actual shipping. I'll "assemble" them for you for an additional $20 each (as I have time, I'm probably going to have to assemble them for all the Tri-State Z Scalers first). I will also include assembly & installation instructions where appropriate. All Z best, Michael Hilliard 39 Old Huckleberry Rd. Wilton, CT 06897 203-762-2476 Matthew Petach <mpetach@...> wrote: So far so good on the ones I'm cranking out. Do we follow the wiring exactly as laid out in the Z-Bend_Track_Manual_2004.pdf document, or are there any variations I should be aware of when wiring up the module? I've made up 3 double-ended connectors, one for my mini-turnaround, one for the balloon module, and one for feeding power into the modules. I just wanted to make sure it's OK to follow the spec exactly as it's laid out, including the emergency power-off feeders on pins 20 and 21... Thanks! Matt ----- Original Message ----
From: Jeff Merrill To: Z-Bend_Track@... Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 5:31:18 PM Subject: Re: [Z-Bend_Track] Re: Wire harness help There's no way I can make 10 before then. I just got back from Europe Monday nite, have to finish my modules for a test run this weekend, go see my Mom (just out of Psych ward) and finish up for the show on Xgiving weekend. Week end after, I have to go to the San Diego show but since I am driving, that's Thursday 1/30 - Monday 2/4. Maybe after. Bill's PC bds are the best way to go. If you can at least get the PC bds, the connectors, wire and soldering are easy. The local surplus place has the red/black zip cord which I prefer over Bill's clear speaker wire (one copper, one tinned wire visible thru clear jacket). Jeff ----- Original Message ---- From: Michael Hilliard To: Z-Bend_Track@... Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:03:08 PM Subject: Re: [Z-Bend_Track] Re: Wire harness help Hi, Jeff, if you can make 10 within 2 weeks, the Tri-State Z Scalers will buy them . We need them for our Dec. meet and for a major train show in Jan. If not, I plan to order parts tomorrow (Tues. or Wed.) for the Tri-State Z Scalers, I'd be happy to order enough parts for CZM as well (less wire, wire is heavy to ship) as long as you let me know ASAP and I'll ship your parts at cost + acual shipping. I plan to get the 18ga speaker wire from Walmart, $8.96/100'. Only differance is it is both copper/gold color with a white stripe on one wire. Can still use the ZBT instructions, just think gold and white stripe when assembling instead of gold and silver. This seems to be the best price without buying 1000's of ft. at a time. The parts will not be as cheap as Bill K's., as I'm not buying by the 100 or 1000 parts at a time. Having spoke to Bill K. recently, I don't think we can get cables/kits from him at this time. It's not that he doesn't want to help us, he just can't at this time. If you'll notice on the zbendtrack website, the link to cables is still there, but the link doesn't work anymore. Luckily I have printed out instructions on how to assemble them that I can copy for you. I also have a complete parts list as well. I just can't help with end & power cables yet, just thru module wiring at this point. I'm not offering to assemble cables for you now, just get the parts. LMK, I actually hope you can help Jeff, if not, my offer is open for the CZM. All Z BeZt, Michael Hilliard 39 Old Huckleberry Rd. Wilton, CT 06897 ph. 203-762-2476 Jeff Merrill wrote: If not, I'd be happy to help make some up or help get parts at cost + mailing. Jeff ----- Original Message ---- From: Robin To: Z-Bend_Track@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 12:30:21 PM Subject: [Z-Bend_Track] Re: Wire harness help Some CZM members are making their first modules and need wiring harneses. Are the kits with instructions still available for purchase? Thanks, Robin --- In Z-Bend_Track@ yahoogroups. com, zbendtrack@. .. wrote: out a few forms and headed through the doors to retirement.ever at the office. "You've got to finish this and that project before youleave" ...or worse..."here' s another special project we'd like to have you dobefore you leave."shortly. From the very start, it was never my intention to make any profit ...and Inever did....and won't start now. It was just a z-friendly effort tohelp model train people find parts they probably didn't know where to buy.Shack (or Dick Smith). But you probably wouldn't like the price much as mine.I've been buying in multiples of 100 (or more) and with only one shippingcharge to your door it was cheaper to get the stuff from me.letters. What started out as Fun and a Favor turned into a Factory operation. Inmy N scale days, everyone knew how to solder, but not so in Z as I foundout. Charging 5 bucks per hour for my soldering time didn't help much either (allmy own train time was spent soldering for others because I priced my timetoo cheap). But after two miles (4.7 kilometers) of soldered cables and fiveyears, I just got tired. Sorry. I've got some modules I'm dying to build in thedays ahead.a "bagging" operation and make up bagged "sets of parts" available (at cost) ina number of ways/outlets complete with printed instructions. And hope to atleast get most of my parts costs out.sources so anyone can get the same components I buy, directly, at the "oneeach" price. I'm pretty careful and picky on what I've been buying to insure zeroproblems when it all plugs together, and over years of use.the module shells andhas moved on power connector Yahoo! Groups Links ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Compare mortgage rates for today. Get up to 5 free quotes. Www2.nextag.com Yahoo! Groups Links |
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There are detailed instructions available beyond the 2004 manual. They were posted with the cable kits, but luckily I printed them out before they were taken off the net. I'd be happy to snail-mail these if anyone sends thier address off list.
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Below is a parts list sent by Bill K. a while back. I placed a order to make 10 sets of wiring harnesses last night. All the parts came from , except the 18ga wire, which I got 600' from Walmart for $53.76 + tax, plenty for 10 modules. The All Electronics order totaled $85.25 for everything else including shipping. So under $150 you can get enough parts & wire for 10 modules. From All Electronics, prices are for 10 or more parts in most cases: SKU DESCRIPTION QTY PRICE DB-25H DB25 HOOD 40PCS $0.29/EA DB-25S D-SUB CONNECTOR, 25PIN FEMALE 20PCS $0.55/EA DB-25P D-SUB CONNECTOR, 25 PIN MALE 20PCS $0.50/EA SLT-38 3/8" DIA. SPLIT LOOM TUBING 42FT $0.15/FT CSI-3 INSULATED STAPLE 0.3" DIA. (BOX/100) 2 $3.50/BOX LCL-2 1/2" DIA. CUSHIONED LOOP CLAMP 40 $0.20/EA TB-17 17.5 AMP FEED-THROUGH TERM STRIP 10 $1.55/EA HUG-14B 1/4" HS TUBE, BLACK, 4' PIECE 1 $1.90/EA HUG-14R 1/4" HS TUBE, RED, 4' PIECE 1 $1.90/EA HUG-14W 1/4" HS TUBE, WHITE, 4' PIECE 1 $1.90/EA HUG-34B 3/4" HS TUBE, BLACK, 4' PEICE 1 $3.15/EA I hope this helps people get started making thier own wiring harnesses. I plan to offer "kits" for $15 each +actual shipping. I'll "assemble" them for you for an additional $20 each (as I have time, I'm probably going to have to assemble them for all the Tri-State Z Scalers first). I will also include assembly & installation instructions where appropriate. All Z best, Michael Hilliard 39 Old Huckleberry Rd. Wilton, CT 06897 203-762-2476 Matthew Petach <mpetach@...> wrote: So far so good on the ones I'm cranking out. Do we follow the wiring exactly as laid out in the Z-Bend_Track_Manual_2004.pdf document, or are there any variations I should be aware of when wiring up the module? I've made up 3 double-ended connectors, one for my mini-turnaround, one for the balloon module, and one for feeding power into the modules. I just wanted to make sure it's OK to follow the spec exactly as it's laid out, including the emergency power-off feeders on pins 20 and 21... Thanks! Matt ----- Original Message ----
From: Jeff Merrill To: Z-Bend_Track@... Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 5:31:18 PM Subject: Re: [Z-Bend_Track] Re: Wire harness help There's no way I can make 10 before then. I just got back from Europe Monday nite, have to finish my modules for a test run this weekend, go see my Mom (just out of Psych ward) and finish up for the show on Xgiving weekend. Week end after, I have to go to the San Diego show but since I am driving, that's Thursday 1/30 - Monday 2/4. Maybe after. Bill's PC bds are the best way to go. If you can at least get the PC bds, the connectors, wire and soldering are easy. The local surplus place has the red/black zip cord which I prefer over Bill's clear speaker wire (one copper, one tinned wire visible thru clear jacket). Jeff ----- Original Message ---- From: Michael Hilliard To: Z-Bend_Track@... Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:03:08 PM Subject: Re: [Z-Bend_Track] Re: Wire harness help Hi, Jeff, if you can make 10 within 2 weeks, the Tri-State Z Scalers will buy them . We need them for our Dec. meet and for a major train show in Jan. If not, I plan to order parts tomorrow (Tues. or Wed.) for the Tri-State Z Scalers, I'd be happy to order enough parts for CZM as well (less wire, wire is heavy to ship) as long as you let me know ASAP and I'll ship your parts at cost + acual shipping. I plan to get the 18ga speaker wire from Walmart, $8.96/100'. Only differance is it is both copper/gold color with a white stripe on one wire. Can still use the ZBT instructions, just think gold and white stripe when assembling instead of gold and silver. This seems to be the best price without buying 1000's of ft. at a time. The parts will not be as cheap as Bill K's., as I'm not buying by the 100 or 1000 parts at a time. Having spoke to Bill K. recently, I don't think we can get cables/kits from him at this time. It's not that he doesn't want to help us, he just can't at this time. If you'll notice on the zbendtrack website, the link to cables is still there, but the link doesn't work anymore. Luckily I have printed out instructions on how to assemble them that I can copy for you. I also have a complete parts list as well. I just can't help with end & power cables yet, just thru module wiring at this point. I'm not offering to assemble cables for you now, just get the parts. LMK, I actually hope you can help Jeff, if not, my offer is open for the CZM. All Z BeZt, Michael Hilliard 39 Old Huckleberry Rd. Wilton, CT 06897 ph. 203-762-2476 Jeff Merrill wrote: If not, I'd be happy to help make some up or help get parts at cost + mailing. Jeff ----- Original Message ---- From: Robin To: Z-Bend_Track@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 12:30:21 PM Subject: [Z-Bend_Track] Re: Wire harness help Some CZM members are making their first modules and need wiring harneses. Are the kits with instructions still available for purchase? Thanks, Robin --- In Z-Bend_Track@ yahoogroups. com, zbendtrack@. .. wrote: out a few forms and headed through the doors to retirement.ever at the office. "You've got to finish this and that project before youleave" ...or worse..."here' s another special project we'd like to have you dobefore you leave."shortly. From the very start, it was never my intention to make any profit ...and Inever did....and won't start now. It was just a z-friendly effort tohelp model train people find parts they probably didn't know where to buy.Shack (or Dick Smith). But you probably wouldn't like the price much as mine.I've been buying in multiples of 100 (or more) and with only one shippingcharge to your door it was cheaper to get the stuff from me.letters. What started out as Fun and a Favor turned into a Factory operation. Inmy N scale days, everyone knew how to solder, but not so in Z as I foundout. Charging 5 bucks per hour for my soldering time didn't help much either (allmy own train time was spent soldering for others because I priced my timetoo cheap). But after two miles (4.7 kilometers) of soldered cables and fiveyears, I just got tired. Sorry. I've got some modules I'm dying to build in thedays ahead.a "bagging" operation and make up bagged "sets of parts" available (at cost) ina number of ways/outlets complete with printed instructions. And hope to atleast get most of my parts costs out.sources so anyone can get the same components I buy, directly, at the "oneeach" price. I'm pretty careful and picky on what I've been buying to insure zeroproblems when it all plugs together, and over years of use.the module shells andhas moved on power connector Yahoo! Groups Links ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Compare mortgage rates for today. Get up to 5 free quotes. Www2.nextag.com Yahoo! Groups Links |
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So far so good on the ones I'm cranking out. Do we follow the
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wiring exactly as laid out in the Z-Bend_Track_Manual_2004.pdf document, or are there any variations I should be aware of when wiring up the module? I've made up 3 double-ended connectors, one for my mini-turnaround, one for the balloon module, and one for feeding power into the modules. I just wanted to make sure it's OK to follow the spec exactly as it's laid out, including the emergency power-off feeders on pins 20 and 21... Thanks! Matt ----- Original Message ----
From: Jeff Merrill <sj-baz-man@...> To: Z-Bend_Track@... Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 5:31:18 PM Subject: Re: [Z-Bend_Track] Re: Wire harness help There's no way I can make 10 before then. I just got back from Europe Monday nite, have to finish my modules for a test run this weekend, go see my Mom (just out of Psych ward) and finish up for the show on Xgiving weekend. Week end after, I have to go to the San Diego show but since I am driving, that's Thursday 1/30 - Monday 2/4. Maybe after. Bill's PC bds are the best way to go. If you can at least get the PC bds, the connectors, wire and soldering are easy. The local surplus place has the red/black zip cord which I prefer over Bill's clear speaker wire (one copper, one tinned wire visible thru clear jacket). Jeff ----- Original Message ---- From: Michael Hilliard <mchwilton@...> To: Z-Bend_Track@... Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:03:08 PM Subject: Re: [Z-Bend_Track] Re: Wire harness help Hi, Jeff, if you can make 10 within 2 weeks, the Tri-State Z Scalers will buy them <seriously>. We need them for our Dec. meet and for a major train show in Jan. If not, I plan to order parts tomorrow (Tues. or Wed.) for the Tri-State Z Scalers, I'd be happy to order enough parts for CZM as well (less wire, wire is heavy to ship) as long as you let me know ASAP and I'll ship your parts at cost + acual shipping. I plan to get the 18ga speaker wire from Walmart, $8.96/100'. Only differance is it is both copper/gold color with a white stripe on one wire. Can still use the ZBT instructions, just think gold and white stripe when assembling instead of gold and silver. This seems to be the best price without buying 1000's of ft. at a time. The parts will not be as cheap as Bill K's., as I'm not buying by the 100 or 1000 parts at a time. Having spoke to Bill K. recently, I don't think we can get cables/kits from him at this time. It's not that he doesn't want to help us, he just can't at this time. If you'll notice on the zbendtrack website, the link to cables is still there, but the link doesn't work anymore. Luckily I have printed out instructions on how to assemble them that I can copy for you. I also have a complete parts list as well. I just can't help with end & power cables yet, just thru module wiring at this point. I'm not offering to assemble cables for you now, just get the parts. LMK, I actually hope you can help Jeff, if not, my offer is open for the CZM. All Z BeZt, Michael Hilliard 39 Old Huckleberry Rd. Wilton, CT 06897 ph. 203-762-2476 Jeff Merrill <sj-baz-man@sbcgloba l.net> wrote: If not, I'd be happy to help make some up or help get parts at cost + mailing. Jeff ----- Original Message ---- From: Robin <robinchris@kalama. com> To: Z-Bend_Track@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 12:30:21 PM Subject: [Z-Bend_Track] Re: Wire harness help Some CZM members are making their first modules and need wiring harneses. Are the kits with instructions still available for purchase? Thanks, Robin --- In Z-Bend_Track@ yahoogroups. com, zbendtrack@. .. wrote: out a few forms and headed through the doors to retirement.ever at the office. "You've got to finish this and that project before youleave" ...or worse..."here' s another special project we'd like to have you dobefore you leave."shortly. From the very start, it was never my intention to make any profit ...and Inever did....and won't start now. It was just a z-friendly effort tohelp model train people find parts they probably didn't know where to buy.Shack (or Dick Smith). But you probably wouldn't like the price much as mine.I've been buying in multiples of 100 (or more) and with only one shippingcharge to your door it was cheaper to get the stuff from me.letters. What started out as Fun and a Favor turned into a Factory operation. Inmy N scale days, everyone knew how to solder, but not so in Z as I foundout. Charging 5 bucks per hour for my soldering time didn't help much either (allmy own train time was spent soldering for others because I priced my timetoo cheap). But after two miles (4.7 kilometers) of soldered cables and fiveyears, I just got tired. Sorry. I've got some modules I'm dying to build in thedays ahead.a "bagging" operation and make up bagged "sets of parts" available (at cost) ina number of ways/outlets complete with printed instructions. And hope to atleast get most of my parts costs out.sources so anyone can get the same components I buy, directly, at the "oneeach" price. I'm pretty careful and picky on what I've been buying to insure zeroproblems when it all plugs together, and over years of use.the module shells andhas moved on [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]power connector [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Compare mortgage rates for today. Get up to 5 free quotes. Www2.nextag.com |
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The D 25 pin connectors are about $0.60 each at the surplus store: Halted
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Specialties in Santa Clara (and 2 other local regional locations but SC has the largest inventory). All new. Connectors: 25-gen006.htm (for the Female). Click D Sub in the title to return to the D-Sub folder, go down two for the Male) You need 2 males. 2 females per thru module, 1 male and 1 female for end modules. Wire: ed--1000--2445-1000-wir104.htm You can get by the foot or shorter roll. (This is good stuff, not the crap from Rat Schack, theirs melts really easy) You need 3 lengths per connector: Inner, Outer and Acc, about 12" - 18" each if you put terminal strips on each end. You need 4 connectors on a thru module, X 3 wire pairs = 12 lengths x 12" - 18" or 12 - 18 feet per thru module, just for the connectors. You also need to bus from one end to the other. Power is carried thru out the modules with these bus wires, not the track ! 3 pairs per side = 6 lengths times say 4' = another 24 feet. Terminal strips to "splice each connector to the bus: One 6 pin per connector. Halted: 2-grn075.htm Jeff -----Original Message-----
From: Z-Bend_Track@... [mailto:Z-Bend_Track@...]On Behalf Of Robin Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 6:42 PM To: Z-Bend_Track@... Subject: [Z-Bend_Track] Re: Wire harness help I'm assuming that no one is going to make these harnesses for us. Putting them together is our responsibility. I just would appreciate some help in getting some parts to do it with. It looks like we may be getting to a larger number of parts to order and maybe a benefit to a group purchase. Again, any help is appreciated. 6 straight throughs and 1 end module for CZM plus what Loren needs. I'm thinking that us CZM folks can get together for a harness assembly party! Or should I say Partey! Sure, modelers do know how to party they just keep it to scale. Thanks, Robin --- In Z-Bend_Track@..., Jeff Merrill <sj-baz-man@...> wrote: > > There's no way I can make 10 before then. I just got back from Europe Monday nite, have to finish my modules for a test run this weekend, go see my Mom (just out of Psych ward) and finish up for the show on Xgiving weekend. Week end after, I have to go to the San Diego show but since I am driving, that's Thursday 1/30 - Monday 2/4. > > Maybe after. Bill's PC bds are the best way to go. If you can at least get the PC bds, the connectors, wire and soldering are easy. The local surplus place has the red/black zip cord which I prefer over Bill's clear speaker wire (one copper, one tinned wire visible thru clear jacket). > > Jeff > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Michael Hilliard <mchwilton@...> > To: Z-Bend_Track@... > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:03:08 PM > Subject: Re: [Z-Bend_Track] Re: Wire harness help > > Hi, > > Jeff, if you can make 10 within 2 weeks, the Tri-State Z Scalers will buy them <seriously>. We need them for our Dec. meet and for a major train show in Jan. > > If not, I plan to order parts tomorrow (Tues. or Wed.) for the Tri- State Z Scalers, I'd be happy to order enough parts for CZM as well (less wire, wire is heavy to ship) as long as you let me know ASAP and I'll ship your parts at cost + acual shipping. I plan to get the 18ga speaker wire from Walmart, $8.96/100'. Only differance is it is both copper/gold color with a white stripe on one wire. Can still use the ZBT instructions, just think gold and white stripe when assembling instead of gold and silver. This seems to be the best price without buying 1000's of ft. at a time. The parts will not be as cheap as Bill K's., as I'm not buying by the 100 or 1000 parts at a time. > > Having spoke to Bill K. recently, I don't think we can get cables/kits from him at this time. It's not that he doesn't want to help us, he just can't at this time. If you'll notice on the zbendtrack website, the link to cables is still there, but the link doesn't work anymore. Luckily I have printed out instructions on how to assemble them that I can copy for you. I also have a complete parts list as well. I just can't help with end & power cables yet, just thru module wiring at this point. I'm not offering to assemble cables for you now, just get the parts. > > LMK, I actually hope you can help Jeff, if not, my offer is open for the CZM. All Z BeZt, > > Michael Hilliard > 39 Old Huckleberry Rd. > Wilton, CT 06897 > ph. 203-762-2476 > > > > Jeff Merrill <sj-baz-man@sbcgloba l.net> wrote: > If not, I'd be happy to help make some up or help get parts at cost + mailing. > > Jeff > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Robin <robinchris@kalama. com> > To: Z-Bend_Track@ yahoogroups. com > Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 12:30:21 PM > Subject: [Z-Bend_Track] Re: Wire harness help > > Some CZM members are making their first modules and need wiring > harneses. Are the kits with instructions still available for > purchase? > > Thanks, > Robin > > --- In Z-Bend_Track@ yahoogroups. com, zbendtrack@ .. wrote: > > > > Stu: > > > > There has been a short delay..... > > > > I always thought when you retired from a company, you just filled > out a few > > forms and headed through the doors to retirement. > > > > Oh no. > > > > For the last 4 weeks I've worked harder, and longer hours, than > ever at the > > office. "You've got to finish this and that project before you > leave" ...or > > worse..."here' s another special project we'd like to have you do > before you > > leave." > > > > Well, Friday is my last day. So I'll have more train time very > shortly. > > > > Cables? I have over $800 in "stuff" for cable assemblies on hand. > From the > > very start, it was never my intention to make any profit ...and I > never > > did....and won't start now. It was just a z-friendly effort to > help model train > > people find parts they probably didn't know where to buy. > > > > Actually, any ZBT cable can be built up with one stop at Radio > Shack (or Dick > > Smith). But you probably wouldn't like the price much as mine. > I've been > > buying in multiples of 100 (or more) and with only one shipping > charge to your > > door it was cheaper to get the stuff from me. > > > > Its five years of soldering that was my undoing. Too many "F" > letters. What > > started out as Fun and a Favor turned into a Factory operation. In > my N > > scale days, everyone knew how to solder, but not so in Z as I found > out. Charging > > 5 bucks per hour for my soldering time didn't help much either (all > my own > > train time was spent soldering for others because I priced my time > too cheap). > > But after two miles (4.7 kilometers) of soldered cables and five > years, I just > > got tired. Sorry. I've got some modules I'm dying to build in the > days > > ahead. > > > > What I plan to do is to get the entire family involved in > a "bagging" > > operation and make up bagged "sets of parts" available (at cost) in > a number of > > ways/outlets complete with printed instructions. And hope to at > least get most of > > my parts costs out. > > > > But the extra workload at the office derailed me and that goal. > > > > Patience, please. One of my goals is to publish all my parts > sources so > > anyone can get the same components I buy, directly, at the "one > each" price. I'm > > pretty careful and picky on what I've been buying to insure zero > problems when > > it all plugs together, and over years of use. > > > > Bill Kronenberger > > Houston > > > > > > > I understand the gentleman who was making the cable harness for > the module > > > has moved on > > > in this endevor. Does anyone have a list for part numbers for the > shells and > > > power connector > > > shell from digikey, mouser or the like. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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Wish me luck--I bought 8 female, 8 male DB25 wire-wrap
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plugs from HSC this past weekend, and will be upstairs tonight wiring them into cables for the modules. Hopefully I'll have some still unburned fingers come this weekend. :D Tracks are laid, picked up ballast on Sunday from Rob, will get some ballast down (avoiding the switches of course!), and will get at least some rudimentary scenery down. But my running before was all with clip leads on the rails themselves, so I need to get the wiring taken care of before I start on the scenery end of things. ^_^; Matt ----- Original Message ----
From: Jeff Merrill <sj-baz-man@...> To: Z-Bend_Track@... Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 5:31:18 PM Subject: Re: [Z-Bend_Track] Re: Wire harness help There's no way I can make 10 before then. I just got back from Europe Monday nite, have to finish my modules for a test run this weekend, go see my Mom (just out of Psych ward) and finish up for the show on Xgiving weekend. Week end after, I have to go to the San Diego show but since I am driving, that's Thursday 1/30 - Monday 2/4. Maybe after. Bill's PC bds are the best way to go. If you can at least get the PC bds, the connectors, wire and soldering are easy. The local surplus place has the red/black zip cord which I prefer over Bill's clear speaker wire (one copper, one tinned wire visible thru clear jacket). Jeff ----- Original Message ---- From: Michael Hilliard <mchwilton@...> To: Z-Bend_Track@... Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:03:08 PM Subject: Re: [Z-Bend_Track] Re: Wire harness help Hi, Jeff, if you can make 10 within 2 weeks, the Tri-State Z Scalers will buy them <seriously>. We need them for our Dec. meet and for a major train show in Jan. If not, I plan to order parts tomorrow (Tues. or Wed.) for the Tri-State Z Scalers, I'd be happy to order enough parts for CZM as well (less wire, wire is heavy to ship) as long as you let me know ASAP and I'll ship your parts at cost + acual shipping. I plan to get the 18ga speaker wire from Walmart, $8.96/100'. Only differance is it is both copper/gold color with a white stripe on one wire. Can still use the ZBT instructions, just think gold and white stripe when assembling instead of gold and silver. This seems to be the best price without buying 1000's of ft. at a time. The parts will not be as cheap as Bill K's., as I'm not buying by the 100 or 1000 parts at a time. Having spoke to Bill K. recently, I don't think we can get cables/kits from him at this time. It's not that he doesn't want to help us, he just can't at this time. If you'll notice on the zbendtrack website, the link to cables is still there, but the link doesn't work anymore. Luckily I have printed out instructions on how to assemble them that I can copy for you. I also have a complete parts list as well. I just can't help with end & power cables yet, just thru module wiring at this point. I'm not offering to assemble cables for you now, just get the parts. LMK, I actually hope you can help Jeff, if not, my offer is open for the CZM. All Z BeZt, Michael Hilliard 39 Old Huckleberry Rd. Wilton, CT 06897 ph. 203-762-2476 Jeff Merrill <sj-baz-man@sbcgloba l.net> wrote: If not, I'd be happy to help make some up or help get parts at cost + mailing. Jeff ----- Original Message ---- From: Robin <robinchris@kalama. com> To: Z-Bend_Track@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 12:30:21 PM Subject: [Z-Bend_Track] Re: Wire harness help Some CZM members are making their first modules and need wiring harneses. Are the kits with instructions still available for purchase? Thanks, Robin --- In Z-Bend_Track@ yahoogroups. com, zbendtrack@. .. wrote: out a few forms and headed through the doors to retirement.ever at the office. "You've got to finish this and that project before youleave" ...or worse..."here' s another special project we'd like to have you dobefore you leave."shortly. From the very start, it was never my intention to make any profit ...and Inever did....and won't start now. It was just a z-friendly effort tohelp model train people find parts they probably didn't know where to buy.Shack (or Dick Smith). But you probably wouldn't like the price much as mine.I've been buying in multiples of 100 (or more) and with only one shippingcharge to your door it was cheaper to get the stuff from me.letters. What started out as Fun and a Favor turned into a Factory operation. Inmy N scale days, everyone knew how to solder, but not so in Z as I foundout. Charging 5 bucks per hour for my soldering time didn't help much either (allmy own train time was spent soldering for others because I priced my timetoo cheap). But after two miles (4.7 kilometers) of soldered cables and fiveyears, I just got tired. Sorry. I've got some modules I'm dying to build in thedays ahead.a "bagging" operation and make up bagged "sets of parts" available (at cost) ina number of ways/outlets complete with printed instructions. And hope to atleast get most of my parts costs out.sources so anyone can get the same components I buy, directly, at the "oneeach" price. I'm pretty careful and picky on what I've been buying to insure zeroproblems when it all plugs together, and over years of use.the module shells andhas moved on [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]power connector Yahoo! Groups Links ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. |
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Re: Wire harness help
Robin
I'm assuming that no one is going to make these harnesses for us.
Putting them together is our responsibility. I just would appreciate some help in getting some parts to do it with. It looks like we may be getting to a larger number of parts to order and maybe a benefit to a group purchase. Again, any help is appreciated. 6 straight throughs and 1 end module for CZM plus what Loren needs. I'm thinking that us CZM folks can get together for a harness assembly party! Or should I say Partey! Sure, modelers do know how to party they just keep it to scale. Thanks, Robin --- In Z-Bend_Track@..., Jeff Merrill <sj-baz-man@...> wrote: Europe Monday nite, have to finish my modules for a test run this weekend, go see my Mom (just out of Psych ward) and finish up for the show on Xgiving weekend. Week end after, I have to go to the San Diego show but since I am driving, that's Thursday 1/30 - Monday 2/4. least get the PC bds, the connectors, wire and soldering are easy. The local surplus place has the red/black zip cord which I prefer over Bill's clear speaker wire (one copper, one tinned wire visible thru clear jacket). will buy them <seriously>. We need them for our Dec. meet and for a major train show in Jan. State Z Scalers, I'd be happy to order enough parts for CZM as well (less wire, wire is heavy to ship) as long as you let me know ASAP and I'll ship your parts at cost + acual shipping. I plan to get the 18ga speaker wire from Walmart, $8.96/100'. Only differance is it is both copper/gold color with a white stripe on one wire. Can still use the ZBT instructions, just think gold and white stripe when assembling instead of gold and silver. This seems to be the best price without buying 1000's of ft. at a time. The parts will not be as cheap as Bill K's., as I'm not buying by the 100 or 1000 parts at a time. cables/kits from him at this time. It's not that he doesn't want to help us, he just can't at this time. If you'll notice on the zbendtrack website, the link to cables is still there, but the link doesn't work anymore. Luckily I have printed out instructions on how to assemble them that I can copy for you. I also have a complete parts list as well. I just can't help with end & power cables yet, just thru module wiring at this point. I'm not offering to assemble cables for you now, just get the parts. for the CZM. All Z BeZt, + mailing. In my Nfoundscale days, everyone knew how to solder, but not so in Z as I out. Charging(all5 bucks per hour for my soldering time didn't help much either my owntimetrain time was spent soldering for others because I priced my too cheap).inBut after two miles (4.7 kilometers) of soldered cables and fiveyears, I justgot tired. Sorry. I've got some modules I'm dying to build in thedaysahead.a "bagging" a number oftheways/outlets complete with printed instructions. And hope to atleast get most ofmy parts costs out.sources so shells andpower connector |
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Re: Wire harness help
Loren Snyder
MIchael,
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I need some harness kits also if it isn't too late. I believe Brad says that I actually need 1 1/2 straight through kits per T module and I have two T's in the making. I also need an end module harness. So I guess I need 3 straight through and one end harness kit. Can do? Loren PS. I have the instructions for the harness kits Robin, so I'll send you a copy, OK? -------Original Message-------
From: Robin Date: 11/14/06 17:43:09 To: Z-Bend_Track@... Subject: [Z-Bend_Track] Re: Wire harness help You are so right about the wire. We can get that here for cheap. We just don't have a good source for the parts and could use some group purchase to reduce cost and make sure we get the right things. Also, if someone could send us a copy of the instructions. I was disapointed to see that all those nice photos and instructions were not working on the website. CZM could use 6 harness kits for the straight through modules. We also want 1 for an end module eventually. Thanks, Robin --- In Z-Bend_Track@..., Michael Hilliard <mchwilton@...> wrote: will buy them <seriously>. We need them for our Dec. meet and for a major train show in Jan. Tri-State Z Scalers, I'd be happy to order enough parts for CZM as well (less wire, wire is heavy to ship) as long as you let me know ASAP and I'll ship your parts at cost + acual shipping. I plan to get the 18ga speaker wire from Walmart, $8.96/100'. Only differance is it is both copper/gold color with a white stripe on one wire. Can still use the ZBT instructions, just think gold and white stripe when assembling instead of gold and silver. This seems to be the best price without buying 1000's of ft. at a time. The parts will not be as cheap as Bill K's., as I'm not buying by the 100 or 1000 parts at a time. cables/kits from him at this time. It's not that he doesn't want to help us, he just can't at this time. If you'll notice on the zbendtrack website, the link to cables is still there, but the link doesn't work anymore. Luckily I have printed out instructions on how to assemble them that I can copy for you. I also have a complete parts list as well. I just can't help with end & power cables yet, just thru module wiring at this point. I'm not offering to assemble cables for you now, just get the parts. for the CZM. All Z BeZt, parts at cost + mailing. In my Nfoundscale days, everyone knew how to solder, but not so in Z as I out. Charging(all5 bucks per hour for my soldering time didn't help much either my owntimetrain time was spent soldering for others because I priced my too cheap).inBut after two miles (4.7 kilometers) of soldered cables and fiveyears, I justgot tired. Sorry. I've got some modules I'm dying to build in thedaysahead.a "bagging" a number oftheways/outlets complete with printed instructions. And hope to atleast get most ofmy parts costs out.sources so shells andpower connector Yahoo! Groups Links |
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