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Re: Thomas SKINNER/Elizabeth WEBSTER marriage Beverley 1797

 

Sorry John, I don’t know of any Websters

Bill

On 16 Apr 2025, at 8:21?am, John Ellerton via groups.io <johne@...> wrote:

Hello Bill,

Would you by any chance have any connection to a Robert WEBSTER who married widow Ann/e ELLERTON (née BODDY) at Bedale, north Yorkshire, on 1 October 1724. Robert may have been baptised on 16 Mar 1688, Bedale, and his father may have been called John.

That’s enough mays, let’s get back to April …….. if you have no connection would you know of another researcher of the WEBSTER name who may (again) have one?

Thanks.

John.
Re: Thomas SKINNER/Elizabeth WEBSTER marriage Beverley 1797

 

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Sorry John.? No knowledge of those names or any connection to Bedale.

I have confirmed evidence my Robert WEBSTER’s father and grandfather going back into the 1600s.? They were shoemakers, guildsmen and aldermen in Beverley.

Bill

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of John Ellerton via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, 16 April 2025 5:21 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [yorksgen] Thomas SKINNER/Elizabeth WEBSTER marriage Beverley 1797

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Hello Bill,

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Would you by any chance have any connection to a Robert WEBSTER who married widow Ann/e ELLERTON (née BODDY) at Bedale, north Yorkshire, on 1 October 1724. Robert may have been baptised on 16 Mar 1688, Bedale, and his father may have been called John.

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That’s enough mays, let’s get back to April …….. if you have no connection would you know of another researcher of the WEBSTER name who may (again) have one?

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Thanks.

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John.

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Re: Thomas SKINNER/Elizabeth WEBSTER marriage Beverley 1797

 

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Hello Bill,

Would you by any chance have any connection to a Robert WEBSTER who married widow Ann/e ELLERTON (née BODDY) at Bedale, north Yorkshire, on 1 October 1724. Robert may have been baptised on 16 Mar 1688, Bedale, and his father may have been called John.

That’s enough mays, let’s get back to April …….. if you have no connection would you know of another researcher of the WEBSTER name who may (again) have one?

Thanks.

John.
Re: Thomas SKINNER/Elizabeth WEBSTER marriage Beverley 1797

 

I would like to place on record here the error in so many trees regarding the above marriage.

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Elizabeth WEBSTER who married Thomas SKINNER at Beverley on 27 Nov 1797 [England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973], and who had children Barrington 1799 and Richard 1800 SKINNER, was NOT the daughter of Rev Robert WEBSTER and Ann MADDISON of Hull.

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This Elizabeth WEBSTER’s actual marriage was reported in the Hull Packet of 13 Dec 1808, which reads:

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On Tuesday last, at Thornton, by the Reverend Mr MACKERITH, Mr. CLARK, of Castlethorp, near Selby, to Miss WEBSTER, dau of the late Reverend Robert WEBSTER, Rector of Thorpebasset, and Curate of Holy Trinity Church at this place (Hull).

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Elizabeth WEBSTER born Hull 1777, who was the family’s youngest daughter, appears to have remained at home to care, along with her mother, for the orphaned daughter Sarah of her sister Sarah HAWDON who died in childbirth in Newcastle aged only 18 in 1790.

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Why she and CLARK/E married in Thornton Dale remains a mystery.

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Bill Webster

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Re: servant

 

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Hi Ken,

If someone was working solely for a private family, in whatever capacity, he would have been referred to as a Servant, unless he had a skilled trade or a position of authority within the household.? Sometimes, wealthy families would just refer to their servants rather than the footman, valet or ladies maid etc.

Not much help in your case.? But if you can determine whether this person was in a large household or a small one, that will have some bearing on the work he may have done.? If it was a small household, then he was probably a 'jack of all trades' to the master of the house.

Lesley
N Wales

On 13/04/2025 20:29, Ken Harrison via groups.io wrote:

Thank you, Jane; this is useful background.

My man was admitted based on patrimony.

I still wonder how to interpret “servant”.

Ken

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of JA Woodall via groups.io
Sent: April 13, 2025 7:23 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [yorksgen] servant

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Hi Ken

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I have ancestors who were freemen in the medieval period and it was either by trade or patrimony...ie dad was a freeman so could pass it on.?

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This link gives useful info about how, in the 1700s freedom was bought and all kinds of workers were included so that might explain it.?

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Hope that's useful?

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Jane?

Chasing Wheldrake/Wheldrick/Weldrake/Weldrick...any likely variation, any time, anywhere.?

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On Sun, 13 Apr 2025, 12:33 Ken Harrison via , <kenharrison43=[email protected]> wrote:

I know this was explained earlier, but I would appreciate a “refresher”: I have, on the ticket admitting an ancestor as a Freeman of York in 1798, his status given as “servant”.?

Aside from the obvious definition, what status or occupations would be included at that time in that designation?

Ken Harrison

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Re: servant

 

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Thank you, Jane; this is useful background.

My man was admitted based on patrimony.

I still wonder how to interpret “servant”.

Ken

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of JA Woodall via groups.io
Sent: April 13, 2025 7:23 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [yorksgen] servant

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Hi Ken

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I have ancestors who were freemen in the medieval period and it was either by trade or patrimony...ie dad was a freeman so could pass it on.?

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This link gives useful info about how, in the 1700s freedom was bought and all kinds of workers were included so that might explain it.?

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Hope that's useful?

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Jane?

Chasing Wheldrake/Wheldrick/Weldrake/Weldrick...any likely variation, any time, anywhere.?

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On Sun, 13 Apr 2025, 12:33 Ken Harrison via , <kenharrison43=[email protected]> wrote:

I know this was explained earlier, but I would appreciate a “refresher”: I have, on the ticket admitting an ancestor as a Freeman of York in 1798, his status given as “servant”.?

Aside from the obvious definition, what status or occupations would be included at that time in that designation?

Ken Harrison
freemen & apprentices

 

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I would appreciate advice, to further my education, about two documents I have from 1796:

  • list of men admitted as City of York “Freemen by Patrimony” including “Richard Harrison of Hull Servant Son of John Harrison of York Butcher”
  • City of York register of apprentice indentures including “Harrison Richard of Hull Servant Son of John Harrison of York Butcher”

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Studying these documents raises some questions on which I would appreciate advice:

  1. Some of the apprentices listed include the phrase “apprentice to [name]”;? the one above does not.? Does this therefore mean that Richard was apprenticed to his father, and that he was apprenticed as a butcher?
  2. Is there any significance that should be read into the fact that this same Richard was apprenticed and also admitted as a freeman in the same year?
  3. What is the significance of the word “Servant” in the two quotes above?
  4. This Richard is known to have been baptized in York in 1772 and so in 1796 was about age 24.? According to an index, the same John Harrison, butcher, appears to have had a son, Richard, apprenticed in 1784.? It seems unlikely that there were two butchers in York at the same time named John Harrison, each with a son Richard.? If the two Richards are the same, the one in 1784 was about age 12.? What circumstances would support a son being apprenticed at age 12, and then apprenticed a second time to the same master at age 24?? Or have I misinterpreted these two apparent apprenticeships?

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Ken Harrison

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Re: servant

 

Hi Ken

I have ancestors who were freemen in the medieval period and it was either by trade or patrimony...ie dad was a freeman so could pass it on.?

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This link gives useful info about how, in the 1700s freedom was bought and all kinds of workers were included so that might explain it.?

Hope that's useful?

Jane?
Chasing Wheldrake/Wheldrick/Weldrake/Weldrick...any likely variation, any time, anywhere.?

On Sun, 13 Apr 2025, 12:33 Ken Harrison via , <kenharrison43=[email protected]> wrote:

I know this was explained earlier, but I would appreciate a “refresher”: I have, on the ticket admitting an ancestor as a Freeman of York in 1798, his status given as “servant”.?

Aside from the obvious definition, what status or occupations would be included at that time in that designation?

Ken Harrison
servant

 

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I know this was explained earlier, but I would appreciate a “refresher”: I have, on the ticket admitting an ancestor as a Freeman of York in 1798, his status given as “servant”.?

Aside from the obvious definition, what status or occupations would be included at that time in that designation?

Ken Harrison
Re: Quaker records for Woodhouse on Find My Past

 

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Chris, I await your reply with interest. You saying that it could be Wentworth Woodhouse would fit very well as my Ancestor, William ELLIS was a Woodman at the Rockey Building, Wentworth for Lord Stafford!.

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Peter Harris

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Chris Pitt Lewis
Sent: 06 April 2025 18:25
To: [email protected]; chris@...
Subject: Re: [yorksgen] Quaker records for WOODHOUSE on Find My Past

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Peter

I may be able to answer this, at least in part, as I have substantial notes on this family. Unfortunately I am away from home this week so cannot access them and reply properly until next week. They are cousins of a prominent Quaker family who later moved from this area to Leicester and with whom my ancestors have connections. They are well recorded.

From memory I think the Quaker meeting at "Woodhouse" was at Wentworth? Woodhouse.

Someone else may be able to give you a better answer in the meantime.

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From: Peter Harris <peter@...>

Date: 06/04/2025 17:40 (GMT+00:00)

Subject: [yorksgen] Quaker records for WOODHOUSE on Find My Past

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I’ve been looking at some early 18th century Quaker records for Balby MM, In particular at Francis ELLIS who married a Ann WILSON in 1711 & their children (7). From the marriage record Francis was from Dinnington (Yorkshire) & Ann was from Alverton (Derbyshire. Birth records do not show a location of birth!

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These records are from “Woodhouse” and my question is which Woodhouse as there appear to be several in the Yorkshire / Nottinghamshire areas. One near Sheffield which may be the ones shown on Pages headed “Sheffield” there is another at “Wentworth Woodhouse” and then there in one near Mansfield.

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I am trying to see if this family are connected to my Ancestry as Francis & Ann had a Son. William in 1734 who could be the William ELLIS who worked as a Woodman at Wentworth.

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Does anyone have any further information on this?

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Thanks for looking

Peter Harris

Re: Quaker records for Woodhouse on Find My Past

 

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Peter
I may be able to answer this, at least in part, as I have substantial notes on this family. Unfortunately I am away from home this week so cannot access them and reply properly until next week. They are cousins of a prominent Quaker family who later moved from this area to Leicester and with whom my ancestors have connections. They are well recorded.
From memory I think the Quaker meeting at "Woodhouse" was at Wentworth? Woodhouse.
Someone else may be able to give you a better answer in the meantime.


Chris Pitt Lewis?


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From: Peter Harris <peter@...>
Date: 06/04/2025 17:40 (GMT+00:00)
Subject: [yorksgen] Quaker records for WOODHOUSE on Find My Past

I’ve been looking at some early 18th century Quaker records for Balby MM, In particular at Francis ELLIS who married a Ann WILSON in 1711 & their children (7). From the marriage record Francis was from Dinnington (Yorkshire) & Ann was from Alverton (Derbyshire. Birth records do not show a location of birth!

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These records are from “Woodhouse” and my question is which Woodhouse as there appear to be several in the Yorkshire / Nottinghamshire areas. One near Sheffield which may be the ones shown on Pages headed “Sheffield” there is another at “Wentworth Woodhouse” and then there in one near Mansfield.

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I am trying to see if this family are connected to my Ancestry as Francis & Ann had a Son. William in 1734 who could be the William ELLIS who worked as a Woodman at Wentworth.

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Does anyone have any further information on this?

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Thanks for looking

Peter Harris

Quaker records for Woodhouse on Find My Past

 

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I’ve been looking at some early 18th century Quaker records for Balby MM, In particular at Francis ELLIS who married a Ann WILSON in 1711 & their children (7). From the marriage record Francis was from Dinnington (Yorkshire) & Ann was from Alverton (Derbyshire. Birth records do not show a location of birth!

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These records are from “Woodhouse” and my question is which Woodhouse as there appear to be several in the Yorkshire / Nottinghamshire areas. One near Sheffield which may be the ones shown on Pages headed “Sheffield” there is another at “Wentworth Woodhouse” and then there in one near Mansfield.

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I am trying to see if this family are connected to my Ancestry as Francis & Ann had a Son. William in 1734 who could be the William ELLIS who worked as a Woodman at Wentworth.

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Does anyone have any further information on this?

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Thanks for looking

Peter Harris

Locked Yorkshire Surnames List - March update

 

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No surnames submitted this month.

If you have already submitted surnames please check that they are up to date.

Please also check that the email address associated with your surname(s) is correct.

Please advise me by email of any amendments.? I will need to know the surnames affected. Do not submit your entry again.

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Locked Yorkshire Surnames List - January update

 

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New names added this month:

SIEROSLAWSKI

WOODROVE


    
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Hi,


I'm a new member of group


I have an old legal document (thought to be genuine and not something prepared for tourists)


it consists of two sheets (76*57cm) bound by tapes & seals on a heavy paper and deals with parcels of land


and people in the Tadcaster area of York


There are some 20 names on the document none of which have any references to our families


I think my wife purchased it to have it mounted/framed as a wall feature, difficult as two sheets and writing on both sides


Until recently it sat in an archive box, and I've transcribed it to see what it's all about, all very complex and still trying to understand


Am thinking the York Group members will recognise the locations and possibly some of the players involved


Basically, I'm looking to flesh out a story about the document and what might have happened down the track, to be kept so people can read if interested


There are ~ 20 names having varying references & roles and the main ones are




John William CLOUGH


George SWIFT


Richard TOMLINSON


Richard MORLEY


George SAVILE


George ADDINNELL


William HARTLEY


Stephen HARTLEY?


And locations mention include:


Tadcaster, Oxton House, Newton Thyme, Wises Intack, Tadcaster Low Moor


I've attached the WIP Transcription together with a photo of the document and a section of the binding/seals and signatures


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Cheers


Ken Morris


New Farm Brisbane



				
				
				
			

			
				

				

					
						
	
		
			
				
			
		
		

			
				
			
			
				
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Thanks Barry,

Well he was born in 1764 so wouldnt be 1933. I like to able to prove that he is mine and it is hard when there are so many and hard
to prove so far back.?
Again thanks,
Maureen in Oz



				
					
					

					


On 27 Jan 2025, at 7:55?pm, barry woolner via groups.io <barrywoolner@...> wrote:

Hi Maureen, I noticed a couple of trees on ancestry have him dying-one in 1793, and one in 1933. Neither have records, and there is no death on GRO site for 1933 or a few years each way. There are a couple of burials in ancestry, one in? Sowerby in 1827, and another in 1820 at Southowram, both about the right age. There are other similar deaths, too.? ?After completing a search just under deaths for Joseph, I found that there?are quite a number of? people of similar age around Leeds. Barry

From:[email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Maureen Farrer via groups.io <maureenfarrer71@...>
Sent:?27 January 2025 11:28
To:[email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject:?[yorksgen] FARRER
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Hi Listers,

I am looking for two FARRERs in my tree.

lst one William FARRER b.1758 in Horsforth parents Henry FARRER and Sussanah. The last I have of him is paying Land Tax in 1818.
His father died in 1800 and wrote his will in 1795 and Wiliam was mentioned in this will. His mother died in 1818 but had no will.
His uncle (mother’s brother) died in 1826 and he wasnt mentioned in that will and his younger brother Benjamin got Fagley estate
from his uncle in the 1826 will. So I assume he died between 1818 and 1826.

2nd. Joseph FARRER b. 1764 in Bradford from the same family. Again mentioned in his father Henry’s will but nothing else. Not mentioned in
his uncle’s will. I have found a Joseph FARRER death Bradford Cathedral in 1803 saying he was a comber.

I know that you often come across AR and not ER but it my searching our lot are usually ER.

Regards,
Maureen in Oz








					


				
				
				
			

			
			

	

	
			

			

				
					

				
				
			

			

				

					

				

			

			
			
			

			


				
	



		
			
		
			
				
	
		
	

		
			

			
			

			
			
				
				

					

						
							
							

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Hi Maureen, I noticed a couple of trees on ancestry have him dying-one in 1793, and one in 1933. Neither have records, and there is no death on GRO site for 1933 or a few years each way. There are a couple of burials in ancestry, one in? Sowerby in 1827, and
 another in 1820 at Southowram, both about the right age. There are other similar deaths, too.? ?After completing a search just under deaths for Joseph, I found that there?are quite a number of? people of similar age around Leeds. Barry









				
					
					

					




From:[email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Maureen Farrer via groups.io <maureenfarrer71@...>

Sent:?27 January 2025 11:28

To:[email protected] <[email protected]>

Subject:?[yorksgen] FARRER

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Hi Listers,



I am looking for two FARRERs in my tree.



lst one William FARRER b.1758 in Horsforth parents Henry FARRER and Sussanah. The last I have of him is paying Land Tax in 1818.

His father died in 1800 and wrote his will in 1795 and Wiliam was mentioned in this will. His mother died in 1818 but had no will.

His uncle (mother’s brother) died in 1826 and he wasnt mentioned in that will and his younger brother Benjamin got Fagley estate

from his uncle in the 1826 will. So I assume he died between 1818 and 1826.



2nd. Joseph FARRER b. 1764 in Bradford from the same family. Again mentioned in his father Henry’s will but nothing else. Not mentioned in

his uncle’s will. I have found a Joseph FARRER death Bradford Cathedral in 1803 saying he was a comber.



I know that you often come across AR and not ER but it my searching our lot are usually ER.



Regards,

Maureen in Oz


















					


				
				
				
			

			
			

	

	
			

			

				
					

				
				
			

			

				

					

				

			

			
			
			

			


				
	



		
			
		
			
				
	
		
	

		
			

			
			

			
			
				
				

					

						
							
							

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Hi Listers,

I am looking for two FARRERs in my tree.

lst one William FARRER b.1758 in Horsforth parents Henry FARRER and Sussanah. The last I have of him is paying Land Tax in 1818.
His father died in 1800 and wrote his will in 1795 and Wiliam was mentioned in this will. His mother died in 1818 but had no will.
His uncle (mother’s brother) died in 1826 and he wasnt mentioned in that will and his younger brother Benjamin got Fagley estate
from his uncle in the 1826 will. So I assume he died between 1818 and 1826.

2nd. Joseph FARRER b. 1764 in Bradford from the same family. Again mentioned in his father Henry’s will but nothing else. Not mentioned in
his uncle’s will. I have found a Joseph FARRER death Bradford Cathedral in 1803 saying he was a comber.

I know that you often come across AR and not ER but it my searching our lot are usually ER.

Regards,
Maureen in Oz

				
				
				
			

			
			

	

	
			

			

				
					

				
				
			

			

				

					

				

			

			
			
			

			


				
	



		
			
		
			
				
	
		
	

		
			

			
			

			
			
				
				

					

						
							
							
								
									
										
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