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Hi Linley

Family Search has a Frank Herbert GIFFORD son of George William GIFFORD born 1837 in Willingham, Cambridgeshire and died 1880 in Brighton.?

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A Frank?Herbert GIFFORD, 40,? was convicted in 1885 of theft in Woolwich, stealing tools from a printer and pawning them- he'd printed up address cards for himself - ex 9th Lancers, foreman at the Woolwich dockyards (which I think were the British naval dockyards.) He claimed sunstroke in India had led him to drink!?

Then in 1886, living in Long Acre, Covent Garden, London - obtaining money by deception from the Charity Organisation. He said he was from Leeds, Yorkshire, claimed to be Sergeant Harry COX with a wife and five children, unemployed, starving... so they found him work and gave him money, then his wife died and he spent all his money on funeral expenses, then he turned up with a broken arm...? He'd got hold of Harry COX's papers by writing to the War Office as J GIFFORD saying he wanted to employ him but enlisted in the name of Frank Herbert GIFFORD but was constantly on the default list (presume that means he was constantly in trouble?)?

Then in 1886 Frank Herbert GIFFORD of no fixed abode was convicted of stealing a parcel from a tram in York - he was 49 so that would give a birthdate of around 1837/39 (no mention of military career then)?

Makes me wonder if he really was Frank Herbert??

Best of luck - that looks like a very complicated search!

Jane?

Chasing W(H)ELDRAKE/DRICK, WELDRAKE/DRICK - any variation, anywhere, anytime?

On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 at 21:28, Lynley Chapman via <lynleybrian54=[email protected]> wrote:

Hello listers,

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I am trying to find out more about Frank Herbert GIFFORD.? He married my gt gt grandfather's sister Hannah MORRISON on August 10th 1863 in Brighton, Sussex.? I do not have a birth date for him so he was possibly born before civil registration.

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On his marriage certificate he states his occupation as a Corporal 9th Lancers and his father named as George William GIFFORD, Gentleman.

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Hannah and Frank had their first daughter named Louisa Annie.? She was baptised on July 3rd 1864 in Brighton and Frank's occupation is "Officer".

Their second daughter Minnie Bertha was born on 12th March 1871 in Brighton.

A third daughter was born on 24th December 1873 in Brighton with Frank's occupation recorded as Commercial Traveller.

A son, named Frank Charles GIFFORD was born on 14th July 1876 in Brighton, his father's occupation was recorded as Commercial Clerk.

Around 1878? the relationship between Hannah and Frank broke down.? There is a possible marriage for a Frank Herbert GIFFORD to Emily HOW in Canterbury, Kent in 1879, June quarter vol 2a, pg 1139

Hannah remarried in 1882 to Joseph DRISCOLL in Brighton.

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UK newspapers list several? reports regarding Frank Herbert GIFFORD and many link to his pride in being in 9th Lancers and serving in India.

His last UK newspaper record is from Yorl, Yorkshire in 1888 when he did time for theft.

However there are two newspaper reports from a Toronto newspaper in August 1889 for wife beating and again mention is made of his military career.

On Familysearch there is a marriage record in Toronto in July 1889.? His parents are recorded as George Edward and Louise Charlotte GIFFORD, Frank's occupation Surgeon.??? So this may not be the man I am interested in.?

I cannot find a death record for FH GIFFORD in England or in Canada.

I have not found any confirmed UK census records for Frank.

2 of Frank's daughters emigrated to Canada in 1888.? Hannah did not die until 1909 in Brighton.

Any help would be gratefully appreciated.? Thank you

Lynley Chapman

Whitby, New Zealand