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Long95209

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Re: Mantua 4-6-0 Prototypes

Karen M Miller

#118

It's okay looking but missing a smoke stack and a tender. I got it for free from a friend who was modernizing his fleet.
Donovan

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From: J Dam
To: "yardbirdtrains@..."
Sent: Sun, December 2, 2012 9:02:29 PM
Subject: Re: [yardbirdtrains] Mantua 4-6-0 Prototypes

I could picture that 4-6-0 as a good re-modernize kitbash, a free lance railway, a BTTF 3 steamer or a good start for a On30 kit bash. Being the spirit of '76 and if paint and all is near mint, I say leave it alone for any type of repaint and so on.

From: Mike Bauers
To: "yardbirdtrains@..."
Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [yardbirdtrains] Mantua 4-6-0 Prototypes

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That 4-6-0 was in active duty on the Seirra Railroad (I think my spelling is wrong) up to today and was used as a movie prop in every RR scheme you can dream up.

The Milwaukee Road still had several branch lines with rather light bridges that were operated with a fleet of 4-6-0's into the 60's.

But there it gets to be different 4-6-0's. While the Milw was using Ten Wheelers, they were very similar to the taller Ten Wheelers just like the AHM Rogers built 4-6-0's, AHM named as the Casey Jones. But with different tenders and no fancy clerestory on the cab roof.

There were a number of roads running that Mantua type of 4-6-0 in tourist operations by the 60's-70's .

How about a revenue generating tourist or special run operation with that 4-6-0?

Label it for whatever road and operate it as a special.

There was a sister to the Mantua 4-6-0 that was rebuilt for special company event trains and as the trains became more and more popular, that steam engine got a wood box encased diesel control stand and two ornatedly decorated F-7 cabless B units between it and the train to do the actual hauling of the train. The lovingly cared for steamer made smoke and noise for the show trains and most people thought the two F-7B's behind it were just generator units for the long passenger train.

Mike Bauers

On Dec 2, 2012, at 3:21 PM, "Karen M" <mailto:kmmpjm%40sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> I was given a Mantua 4-6-0 in the Spirit of '76 yesterday and am wishing to repaint it. I wish to know of any railroads that had them in the late 1940's or early 1950's and/or what other schemes Mantua/Tyco had for them.
>

Re: Mantua 4-6-0 Prototypes

#117

I could picture that 4-6-0 as a good re-modernize kitbash, a free lance railway, a BTTF 3 steamer or a good start for a On30 kit bash. Being the spirit of '76 and if paint and all is near mint, I say leave it alone for any type of repaint and so on.

From: Mike Bauers
To: "yardbirdtrains@..."
Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [yardbirdtrains] Mantua 4-6-0 Prototypes

That 4-6-0 was in active duty on the Seirra Railroad (I think my spelling is wrong) up to today and was used as a movie prop in every RR scheme you can dream up.

The Milwaukee Road still had several branch lines with rather light bridges that were operated with a fleet of 4-6-0's into the 60's.

But there it gets to be different 4-6-0's. While the Milw was using Ten Wheelers, they were very similar to the taller Ten Wheelers just like the AHM Rogers built 4-6-0's, AHM named as the Casey Jones. But with different tenders and no fancy clerestory on the cab roof.

There were a number of roads running that Mantua type of 4-6-0 in tourist operations by the 60's-70's .

How about a revenue generating tourist or special run operation with that 4-6-0?

Label it for whatever road and operate it as a special.

There was a sister to the Mantua 4-6-0 that was rebuilt for special company event trains and as the trains became more and more popular, that steam engine got a wood box encased diesel control stand and two ornatedly decorated F-7 cabless B units between it and the train to do the actual hauling of the train. The lovingly cared for steamer made smoke and noise for the show trains and most people thought the two F-7B's behind it were just generator units for the long passenger train.

Mike Bauers

On Dec 2, 2012, at 3:21 PM, "Karen M" <mailto:kmmpjm%40sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> I was given a Mantua 4-6-0 in the Spirit of '76 yesterday and am wishing to repaint it. I wish to know of any railroads that had them in the late 1940's or early 1950's and/or what other schemes Mantua/Tyco had for them.
>

Re: Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash

lnnrr

#116

To give the appearance of a black loco and yet light enough to let
detail show up nicely, I use Rustoleum Automobile Grey Primer.
It's flat, durable, weathers easily. Where I am going to add
lettering decals, I use Future or some gloss over the primer.
Then a coat of DullCoat over decals and weathering.
Suits me. Your milage may vary, as the ad says.
Chuck Peck

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--- In yardbirdtrains@..., "Rob" <rrdeffinger@...> wrote:

I started a new album of a Ft Smith & Western RR, later Columbus & Greenville RR 2-8-2 that I am kitbashing.  Started with an IHC 0-8-0 that I got off Ebay cheap because the front pilot was broken.
I striped everything off the boiler, and added new domes, walkways, piping, stack, new cab, brakes, lead and trailing trucks, scratchbuilt boiler backhead, etc.
Still working on the trailing truck, have to grind off the sides so it doesn't hit the drivers.
Can't decide on the boiler color.  Had it dark pullman green, but it seemed too dark. So I tried a lighter Great Northern green, but that might be too light. It looks like the phototypes boiler was just basic black. I wanted it so the piping showed up better.
Any opinions of the color?
Still have more to do.
Bob D.

Re: Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash

Long95209

#115

Bob ! That's one to kick around , why not Dark Gray , lighter grey , almost chalky on the piping and details ? It's a shame to cover up the details ? Henry H.

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--- In yardbirdtrains@..., Karen M Miller <kmmpjm@...> wrote:

I've seen some color pictures of UP steam locomotives with a lighter grey color
painted. Maybe this will help.


Donovan




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From: Rob <rrdeffinger@...>
To: yardbirdtrains@...
Sent: Sun, December 2, 2012 6:55:42 PM
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash


I started a new album of a Ft Smith & Western RR, later Columbus & Greenville RR
2-8-2 that I am kitbashing.  Started with an IHC 0-8-0 that I got off Ebay cheap
because the front pilot was broken.
I striped everything off the boiler, and added new domes, walkways, piping,
stack, new cab, brakes, lead and trailing trucks, scratchbuilt boiler backhead,
etc.

Still working on the trailing truck, have to grind off the sides so it doesn't
hit the drivers.
Can't decide on the boiler color.  Had it dark pullman green, but it seemed too
dark. So I tried a lighter Great Northern green, but that might be too light. It
looks like the phototypes boiler was just basic black. I wanted it so the piping
showed up better.
Any opinions of the color?
Still have more to do.
Bob D.

Re: Mantua 4-6-0 Prototypes

Long95209

#114

High Noon , Back to the Future , Casey Jones Petticoat Junction [hoterville cannonball !] tv shows , yep Sierra RR no. 3 Rogers 1897 !! Still active , recently overhauled at a cost of 2 million bucks and change . About an hour up the road in Jamestown Ca. How about Clinchfield # 1 ? SP had tons of TW classes for light branch lines , one WAS running in Texas but was sidelined because a cylinder blew out ? MDC made some SP/UP types ? B%O ran some in Western PA , but they didn't look light in weight . Some ten wheelers were used on CNW , even one semi-streamlined for "400" service on the UP of Michigan ! Some of New York Central's ten wheelers in Canada ran out the clock for NYC steam . Any more ideas ?  Henry H.

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--- In yardbirdtrains@..., Mike Bauers <mwbauers55@...> wrote:

That 4-6-0 was in active duty on the Seirra Railroad (I think my spelling is wrong) up to today and was used as a movie prop in every RR scheme you can dream up.

The Milwaukee Road still had several branch lines with rather light bridges that were operated with a fleet of 4-6-0's into the 60's.

But there it gets to be different 4-6-0's. While the Milw was using Ten Wheelers, they were very similar to the taller Ten Wheelers just like the AHM Rogers built 4-6-0's, AHM named as the Casey Jones. But with different tenders and no fancy clerestory on the cab roof.

There were a number of roads running that Mantua type of 4-6-0 in tourist operations by the 60's-70's .

How about a revenue generating tourist or special run operation with that 4-6-0?

Label it for whatever road and operate it as a special.

There was a sister to the Mantua 4-6-0 that was rebuilt for special company event trains and as the trains became more and more popular, that steam engine got a wood box encased diesel control stand and two ornatedly decorated F-7 cabless B units between it and the train to do the actual hauling of the train. The lovingly cared for steamer made smoke and noise for the show trains and most people thought the two F-7B's behind it were just generator units for the long passenger train.

Mike Bauers
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 2, 2012, at 3:21 PM, "Karen M" <kmmpjm@...> wrote:

I was given a Mantua 4-6-0 in the Spirit of '76 yesterday and am wishing to repaint it. I wish to know of any railroads that had them in the late 1940's or early 1950's and/or what other schemes Mantua/Tyco had for them.

Re: Mantua 4-6-0 Prototypes

Karen M Miller

#113

Thanks for the help. I'll have to post a finished model picture.
Donovan

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From: Mike Bauers
To: "yardbirdtrains@..."
Sent: Sun, December 2, 2012 3:57:13 PM
Subject: Re: [yardbirdtrains] Mantua 4-6-0 Prototypes

That 4-6-0 was in active duty on the Seirra Railroad (I think my spelling is wrong) up to today and was used as a movie prop in every RR scheme you can dream up.

The Milwaukee Road still had several branch lines with rather light bridges that were operated with a fleet of 4-6-0's into the 60's.

But there it gets to be different 4-6-0's. While the Milw was using Ten Wheelers, they were very similar to the taller Ten Wheelers just like the AHM Rogers built 4-6-0's, AHM named as the Casey Jones. But with different tenders and no fancy clerestory on the cab roof.

There were a number of roads running that Mantua type of 4-6-0 in tourist operations by the 60's-70's .

How about a revenue generating tourist or special run operation with that 4-6-0?

Label it for whatever road and operate it as a special.

There was a sister to the Mantua 4-6-0 that was rebuilt for special company event trains and as the trains became more and more popular, that steam engine got a wood box encased diesel control stand and two ornatedly decorated F-7 cabless B units between it and the train to do the actual hauling of the train. The lovingly cared for steamer made smoke and noise for the show trains and most people thought the two F-7B's behind it were just generator units for the long passenger train.

Mike Bauers

On Dec 2, 2012, at 3:21 PM, "Karen M" <kmmpjm@...> wrote:

> I was given a Mantua 4-6-0 in the Spirit of '76 yesterday and am wishing to repaint it. I wish to know of any railroads that had them in the late 1940's or early 1950's and/or what other schemes Mantua/Tyco had for them.
>

Re: Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash

Karen M Miller

#112

I've seen some color pictures of UP steam locomotives with a lighter grey color painted. Maybe this will help.

Donovan

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From: Rob
To: yardbirdtrains@...
Sent: Sun, December 2, 2012 6:55:42 PM
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash

I started a new album of a Ft Smith & Western RR, later Columbus & Greenville RR 2-8-2 that I am kitbashing. Started with an IHC 0-8-0 that I got off Ebay cheap because the front pilot was broken.
I striped everything off the boiler, and added new domes, walkways, piping, stack, new cab, brakes, lead and trailing trucks, scratchbuilt boiler backhead, etc.
Still working on the trailing truck, have to grind off the sides so it doesn't hit the drivers.
Can't decide on the boiler color. Had it dark pullman green, but it seemed too dark. So I tried a lighter Great Northern green, but that might be too light. It looks like the phototypes boiler was just basic black. I wanted it so the piping showed up better.
Any opinions of the color?
Still have more to do.
Bob D.

Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash

#111

I started a new album of a Ft Smith & Western RR, later Columbus & Greenville RR 2-8-2 that I am kitbashing.  Started with an IHC 0-8-0 that I got off Ebay cheap because the front pilot was broken.
I striped everything off the boiler, and added new domes, walkways, piping, stack, new cab, brakes, lead and trailing trucks, scratchbuilt boiler backhead, etc.
Still working on the trailing truck, have to grind off the sides so it doesn't hit the drivers.
Can't decide on the boiler color.  Had it dark pullman green, but it seemed too dark. So I tried a lighter Great Northern green, but that might be too light. It looks like the phototypes boiler was just basic black. I wanted it so the piping showed up better.
Any opinions of the color?
Still have more to do.
Bob D.

Re: Mantua 4-6-0 Prototypes

#110

That 4-6-0 was in active duty on the Seirra Railroad (I think my spelling is wrong) up to today and was used as a movie prop in every RR scheme you can dream up.

The Milwaukee Road still had several branch lines with rather light bridges that were operated with a fleet of 4-6-0's into the 60's.

But there it gets to be different 4-6-0's. While the Milw was using Ten Wheelers, they were very similar to the taller Ten Wheelers just like the AHM Rogers built 4-6-0's, AHM named as the Casey Jones. But with different tenders and no fancy clerestory on the cab roof.

There were a number of roads running that Mantua type of 4-6-0 in tourist operations by the 60's-70's .

How about a revenue generating tourist or special run operation with that 4-6-0?

Label it for whatever road and operate it as a special.

There was a sister to the Mantua 4-6-0 that was rebuilt for special company event trains and as the trains became more and more popular, that steam engine got a wood box encased diesel control stand and two ornatedly decorated F-7 cabless B units between it and the train to do the actual hauling of the train. The lovingly cared for steamer made smoke and noise for the show trains and most people thought the two F-7B's behind it were just generator units for the long passenger train.

Mike Bauers

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On Dec 2, 2012, at 3:21 PM, "Karen M" <kmmpjm@...> wrote:

I was given a Mantua 4-6-0 in the Spirit of '76 yesterday and am wishing to repaint it. I wish to know of any railroads that had them in the late 1940's or early 1950's and/or what other schemes Mantua/Tyco had for them.

Mantua 4-6-0 Prototypes

Karen M

#109

I was given a Mantua 4-6-0 in the Spirit of '76 yesterday and am wishing to repaint it. I wish to know of any railroads that had them in the late 1940's or early 1950's and/or what other schemes Mantua/Tyco had for them.

Welcome back to our newest member

Long95209

#108

Welcome back to sidecar201@... . Make yourself to home . Henry H. moderator

Re: Closing collection

#107

Jim,

So sorry to see you go. I've learned a lot from your postings and your projects. I just wish muscle relaxers or something of the sort could help ease your discomfort. Heck, even acupuncture/pressure might be worth a shot at this point. It seems there should be some pain management regimen that would give you some relief. I've found muscle relaxers to be occasionally helpful with chronic IBS pain.

Nelson

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--- In yardbirdtrains@..., Jim Heckard <jimheck@...> wrote:


        To all members,

                             Unless some medical doctors come up with a
cure for Levatore Ani Syndrome or I kick the bucket I won't be doing to
much with vintage trains. My collection will be shared with my two
children at such time I can no longer enjoyed looking at them. NOTHING
IS FOR SALE.. I might pop in on sight once one in a while but
researching items and building  new pieces will be out of the question.
Nice knowing everyone. Keep up the good work.


Jim H

Re: H10 tender work

Long95209

#106

Sweet setup ! Those Athearn Buckeyes are getting scarce also ? Nice work Ray .  Henry H.

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--- In yardbirdtrains@..., Ray Marinaccio <raymarinaccio@...> wrote:

Thanks Henry,
??I used the Athearn metal Buckeye trucks on my Hobbyline/Simms Berkshire.
--- On Sat, 12/1/12, Long95209 <long95209@...> wrote:

From: Long95209 <long95209@...>
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] H10 tender work
To: yardbirdtrains@...
Date: Saturday, December 1, 2012, 8:56 AM

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Nice work Mr. Ray . I will need to review when I engage my next project . This fix is much better than the old one I did with a HObbyline tender and PSC Buckeyes ! There was , and is a price difference there . THE PSC's as always , nice product , but not ever cheap ! Thanks for sharing with us Ray . Henry H.

Re: Mantua 2-8-2 mikado Ideas

#105

Talking about combining a Mantua 2-8-2 chassis with the Pacific "Wagontop" boiler, there's a nice one on Ebay right now. Looks like a fairly recent kit bash with what I believe are some Yardbird parts: the retrofit gear tower and valve gear. Copy and paste this address:

?http://www.ebay.com/itm/HO-1-87-Vintage-Mantua-2-8-4-Steam-Locomotive-and-Tender-L-N-1965-/170950156860?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item27cd6c623c

Jeff

jppellas@...

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-----Original Message-----
From: John Hagen
To: yardbirdtrains
Sent: Sat, Dec 1, 2012 1:26 pm
Subject: RE: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Mantua 2-8-2 Mikado Ideas

Thanks to both Chuck and Dennis.

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The castings made by Don Stromberg always had a very nice finish on them. He used metal molds that featured very smooth surfaces and the alloy he used picked up the finish very well. Plus, for diesel work I found them to be easy to solder as long as one was careful to not use too much heat.

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Don and his wife Dolores were good people and a joy to spend time with. When he passed back in 1988 or there about model railroading lost one of it’s best.

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John Hagen

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From: yardbirdtrains@... [mailto:yardbirdtrains@...] On Behalf Of Dennis Kunkel
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 10:51 PM
To: yardbirdtrains@...
Subject: Re: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Mantua 2-8-2 Mikado Ideas

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I have both the Heavy and Light Cary boilers in zinc alloy. The smokebox fronts are different diameters and a slightly different design. The Light smokebox front is approximately 0.94 inches in diameter, and the Heavy smokebox front is approximately 1.02 in diameter.? The Light smokebox front appears to be Cal-Scale part number 190-243, and the Heavy smokebox front appears to be Cary part number 13-114.

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Dennis K

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From: lnnrr <lnnrr@...>
To: yardbirdtrains@...
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 7:48 PM
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Mantua 2-8-2 Mikado Ideas

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John, I just checked a lead version with cab, no running boards.
Smokebox diameter varied from 1.015 to 1.030. The smokebox front
was 1.025/1.035 inch.
Boiler was very clean, no flash. Either high quality casting with
post-production work or a prior owner made it ready to use.
Hope this helps.
Chuck Peck
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>
>
> Does anyone have a heavy mike boiler in their possession? I’d like to get the smoke box diameter if possible for a project I’m about to begin as soon as I get one of them “Round-to-its.” While I’m not positive I think the loco I’m doing has a bit of a larger dia. Smoke box than a light. I have a few Athearn lights now but I want to know if I have to start searching for a heavy Cary. And I would want one of the lead antimony versions made by Don Stromberg. I actually like working with that alloy.
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> John Hagen
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Re: Closing collection

lnnrr

#104

Jim, I (we) recognize the painful neccessity of your decision.
Thank you so much for your participation and contributions to
this group. I and I believe many others have learned much from
what you have shared with us here. No doubt you have given much
consideration to your decisions. Without crystal balls that actually
work, we often question the wisdom of such decisions in our own
lives. Hope and faith have to be our friends as we steer
uncertain tides of life.
Many of us will remember you, your patient efforts, and your
friendship in our small community. We will welcome every time
you are able to pop in and say hello.
You will be in my prayers,
Chuck Peck

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--- In yardbirdtrains@..., Jim Heckard <jimheck@...> wrote:


        To all members,

                             Unless some medical doctors come up with a
cure for Levatore Ani Syndrome or I kick the bucket I won't be doing to
much with vintage trains. My collection will be shared with my two
children at such time I can no longer enjoyed looking at them. NOTHING
IS FOR SALE.. I might pop in on sight once one in a while but
researching items and building  new pieces will be out of the question.
Nice knowing everyone. Keep up the good work.


Jim H

Re: mr index articles

#103

Thank you for the links for somereason I couldn't find it a few weeks back I had no problem,getting old I guess
               Alan

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--- In yardbirdtrains@..., "Alan" <albyrno@...> wrote:

 Does anyone know if the index of mr magazines is still active,I used to be able to find when and which issue articles were published and then track down an issue for reference but today I was unable to find magazine index.Maybe they dropped this as the DVD came out.
 Alan

Re: Closing collection

#102

my thoughts and prayers will be with you always, hope to hear from timee to time!!!!!

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From: Jim Heckard
To: yardbirdtrains@...
Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 1:44 PM
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Closing collection

To all members,

Unless some medical doctors come up with a
cure for Levatore Ani Syndrome or I kick the bucket I won't be doing to
much with vintage trains. My collection will be shared with my two
children at such time I can no longer enjoyed looking at them. NOTHING
IS FOR SALE.. I might pop in on sight once one in a while but
researching items and building new pieces will be out of the question.
Nice knowing everyone. Keep up the good work.

Jim H

Re: Closing collection

#101

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Jim,

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I am so sorry to hear this. I understand your decision based upon your discomfort caused by this very painful syndrome and I will most certainly honor your desire concerning your collection.

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Sharing your collection with your children is a wonderful thing to do.

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Anytime you can “pop in” to the will be appreciated by myself and many, many others. Your collection and the descriptions of your rebuilding of the pieces that make up your collection have been treasured by all.

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I wish you the best my friend.

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John Hagen

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From: yardbirdtrains@... [mailto:yardbirdtrains@...] On Behalf Of Jim Heckard
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 3:45 PM
To: yardbirdtrains@...
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Closing collection

?

To all members,

Unless some medical doctors come up with a
cure for Levatore Ani Syndrome or I kick the bucket I won't be doing to
much with vintage trains. My collection will be shared with my two
children at such time I can no longer enjoyed looking at them. NOTHING
IS FOR SALE.. I might pop in on sight once one in a while but
researching items and building new pieces will be out of the question.
Nice knowing everyone. Keep up the good work.

Jim H

Re: Closing collection

#100

Sorry to hear this Jim! At least you have someone to pass your collection down and will be enjoyed!

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From: Jim Heckard
To: yardbirdtrains@...
Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 4:44 PM
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Closing collection

To all members,

Unless some medical doctors come up with a
cure for Levatore Ani Syndrome or I kick the bucket I won't be doing to
much with vintage trains. My collection will be shared with my two
children at such time I can no longer enjoyed looking at them. NOTHING
IS FOR SALE.. I might pop in on sight once one in a while but
researching items and building new pieces will be out of the question.
Nice knowing everyone. Keep up the good work.

Jim H