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Hi - I'm able to use the Data Filer under Windows 10, but my PC is not my computer of choice, so I wanted to try and get the Data Filer running on my Mac (under Monterrey). The file attached on this site looked promising: QY DataFiler for MACOSX.zip???Report File?QY DataFiler for MACOSX
But unfortunately, when opened that disk images generate the message "The disk you attached was not readable by this computer."
Does anyone have access to or knowledge of a file that will load in Monterey?
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Also, is there an archive anywhere of the Q1P preset pattern files for the QY70??
I'm interested in getting some of the missing presets onto my QY100.
Cheers, Rocky
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Hello, unfortunately the Data Filer for Mac was created for the Macs of that time, which were using PowerPC processors. So the binary format and CPU instructions are not compatible with a modern Mac. I don't think Yamaha ever updated the Data Filer for modern Macs. On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 7:13 PM Rocky via groups.io <Wsbsub@...> wrote:
Hi - I'm able to use the Data Filer under Windows 10, but my PC is not my computer of choice, so I wanted to try and get the Data Filer running on my Mac (under Monterrey).
The file attached on this site looked promising:
QY DataFiler for MACOSX.zip Report File
QY DataFiler for MACOSX
But unfortunately, when opened that disk images generate the message "The disk you attached was not readable by this computer."
Does anyone have access to or knowledge of a file that will load in Monterey?
Also, is there an archive anywhere of the Q1P preset pattern files for the QY70?
I'm interested in getting some of the missing presets onto my QY100.
Cheers, Rocky
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Thanks for the clarification Fernando.
I'll expect to wheel out my PC for those management tasks and whatnot then..
I can still use SYSEX librarian on the Mac for bulk dumps / backups at least.
Cheers, Rocky
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Do macs have any type of PowerPC emulation mode? ?
Seems odd if they don’t, but then again Apple is not a huge believer of backward compatibility… they are more of the “Just buy new hardware/software” mindset. ??
One of the very few things I dislike about Apple.
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On Oct 26, 2022, at 1:35 PM, Fernando Carello <fcarello@...> wrote:
? Hello,unfortunately the Data Filer for Mac was created for the Macs of thattime, which were using PowerPC processors.So the binary format and CPU instructions are not compatible with a modern Mac.I don't think Yamaha ever updated the Data Filer for modern Macs.On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 7:13 PM Rocky via groups.io<Wsbsub@...> wrote:
Hi - I'm able to use the Data Filer under Windows 10, but my PC is not my computer of choice, so I wanted to try and get the Data Filer running on my Mac (under Monterrey).
The file attached on this site looked promising:
QY DataFiler for MACOSX.zip ??Report File
QY DataFiler for MACOSX
But unfortunately, when opened that disk images generate the message "The disk you attached was not readable by this computer."
Does anyone have access to or knowledge of a file that will load in Monterey?
Also, is there an archive anywhere of the Q1P preset pattern files for the QY70?
I'm interested in getting some of the missing presets onto my QY100.
Cheers, Rocky
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That would be nice, but as you suspect... it's not a thing Apple seem interested in doing.
Actually, as a long time Mac user, I'd like it if they focused on getting their new OS's working right!!
Cheers, Rocky
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Considering that you can probably pick up a power PC Apple (laptop hopefully) for probably under $25 (total guess) on eBay it might be worth going that route just to have a back up solution… Totally clunky and outdated I know, but it’s something.
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On Oct 26, 2022, at 2:22 PM, Rocky via groups.io <Wsbsub@...> wrote:
?That would be nice, but as you suspect... it's not a thing Apple seem interested in doing.
Actually, as a long time Mac user, I'd like it if they focused on getting their new OS's working right!!
Cheers, Rocky
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The 2022 equivalent to the data filer is system exclusive.?
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It would be nice to make an app that would take the place of the data filer.? I’m going to assume it’s possible with sysEx but maybe not completely.
The 2022 equivalent to the data filer is system exclusive.?
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Google PPC emulators for mac. I haven’t installed one myself, but there seems to be plenty of options available.
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It would be nice to make an app that would take the place of the data filer.? I’m going to assume it’s possible with sysEx but maybe not completely.
The 2022 equivalent to the data filer is system exclusive.?
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I could use datafiler in sheepshaver but that’s no fun, it puts the data in a sandbox.
It would be fun to have a daw plugin to manage the QY.
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Hi Trail Boss, thanks for the suggestion.
I looked into it and am now experimenting with open source emulator UTM with a preconfigured VM for Mac OS 9?
It boots up nicely, so I just have to attach some disks and figure out how to get MIDI working in OS 9
Cheers, Rocky
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Although the subject of the PPC emulation is a little off topic for this group, I for one will be interested in your efforts. I keep an old G4 alive just for an occasional need, so I was not highly motivated (also lazy) to investigate the emulation route. ?If I could duplicate that function with an emulator, I would probably dump the old hardware. Keep us posted on any progress.
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On Oct 27, 2022, at 12:28 AM, Rocky via < Wsbsub@...> wrote:
Hi Trail Boss, thanks for the suggestion.
I looked into it and am now experimenting with open source emulator UTM with a preconfigured VM for Mac OS 9?
It boots up nicely, so I just have to attach some disks and figure out how to get MIDI working in OS 9
Cheers, Rocky
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Will do. So far:-
- Currently having a little difficulty setting up shared folders and virtual drives which I'd like to enable me to easily transfer data between my host Mac OS and the emulator.
- The Data Filer IMG was recognized immediately as a CD Drive, so I was able to install the application okay.
- Internet Explorer doesn't like most modern websites.
- Haven't tried connecting to the QY100 yet..
Here is the Emulator link and the MAC OS 9.2 image:-
Rocky
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Quick update:-
UTM (which uses QEMU emulator) seemed promising, but Mac support for the emulator is patchy-
I've been unable to find a way to share data between the host (Mac Monterey) and guest (Mac OS9.2). Shared directory requires unsupported drivers, as does setting up a hard drive.
I can get data INTO Mac OS9 (by using a virtual CD Drive) but not out!!
So, it seems this solution is effectively restricted to running in a sandbox, like the other emulator that was mentioned..
I'm cutting my losses and will just use my PC laptop to run the Filer in future.
Rocky.
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Rocky,I saw your multiple posts about emulation trying to run the XG Software. Let me share what I have learned?through the years.Around 2003 (when the Apple G5 was released), I saw a behind the scenes photo of a Jean Michell Jarre's Concert, and I saw his setup had a PowerPC Tower of 1997. “Why did he kept that old Mac when he has the money to get a G5?” - You may ask.I’ve seen the following scenarios on MIDI/audio software:- Software for Motorola 68K that did not run on new CPU (PowerPC).- Software for PowerPC OS9 that did not run on new OS (OS X) ?even with Rosetta.- Software for OS X that did not run on new CPU (Intel).- Software for OS X Intel that did not run on new OS that run 64bit mode.- Software for OS X Intel 64bits that did not run on new CPU (Apple silicon) even with Rosetta.And windows had the same problems between OS’s, some times worse. And do not want to start listing my audio interfaces history, because that is an even longer list of issues due to hardware drivers, not including architectural issues (before USB).If you want to work on some device, keep the computer. You want to update the computer? Expect to update all your software and equipment.
“Always keep a computer that runs your equipment required software”. I heard this in the 90s.?I’m typing this on a M2?MacBook Air with a 2 days old MacOS, but my studio is still running on a 2013 Mac Pro with High Sierra.?I still have a G3 iBook, MacBook Pro Intel (with VMWare to launch virtual machines for windows (98, XP, 7) and old OS X versions). Still there is software I know I cannot run. No Emulation is 100% warrantied to work with any software, but even less from different CPU architectures.?
I have a QY100 for dumping MIDI into a card if I want to, but the cards are not produced anymore. That’s a bummer. I Still I could dump via MIDI a full track, but is not the same as a transfer. My QY700 runs with a USB Gotek, so no issues here, it is future proof. But I could never modify an Alesis MMT-8.?
Thankfully, I see the QYs as fun toys to keep around and not as my main work tools. For my day to day tools, the only solution (at least for me) was to never again buy any MIDI/AUDIO equipment that requires software or drivers for operation. I’ve been on this ideology since mid 2000’s. If I get a device which requires software or a driver I do so knowing it can become garbage any day. Thanks to this, I keep using the same devices in my studio since then. The QY70 is fun, but do not ask it to do more that you can do on it.
You have 4 options:
- Get an old computer from a friend’s attic.
- Spend weeks of your time finding a way to make an old software run on your new computer, even if you are not successful.
- Figure out what the software did so you can find a way to do it with your current tools, or program a new solution!
- Forget the software and just use midi dumps if needed.
Good luck.
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Hi there! It is actually pretty straightforward to use the QY Data filer on a modern mac (tested on M1 mbp), but counterintuitively, the easiest method is via the Windows version of the application.
You don't need a deal with the complexity of a virtual machine, as it runs perfectly via / WINE. This means it has direct access to any connected MIDI interface without special setup.
I've found that a good number of older windows apps I've tried for MIDI-related tasks run quite stably this way, such as SoundDiver and XGWorks.
Hope that helps!
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Thanks so much for the response.
I'll give this a try..
Do you have any warnings or gotchas before I run into unforeseen complications?
Cheers, Rocky
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Cool, sure thing!
I don't recall having any drama with the data filer at all. The only thing that comes to mind, is to be sure your MIDI interface is plugged in and turned on before running any windows app— I've generally found that they won't detect a device when plugged in after they are running.
Once playonmac is installed, you can go through a "+ Install" flow directly and select "Install a non-listed program" text in the bottom left corner of the installation window, or just right-click any windows app within finder and select playonmac to open it. I don't believe it normally asks, but it if does, you would want to set it to a 32-bit windows config.
Hope it's a smooth process for you, let us know once you've given it a go :)
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Woah, thanks so much for this! Lost a bunch of patterns years back when the coin battery died, so I've wanted a convenient backup method for awhile. Also on Apple Silicon here, so excited to try this.
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I managed to install the program using this utility pretty easily and can connect and receive data from the QY100. The MIDI in/out ports seem to be recognized in the Device setup window. Sadly transmitting is causing some issues. Almost always fails with -
"Data transfer Failed. Confirm QY100?connections(HOST SELECT switch, etc.)"
I tried installing MIDI drivers for my MIDI interface (Focusrite Scarlett) but encountered security update issues trying to do that also...?
I feel I'm in another rabbit hole..?
Glad it's working for some of you though!!
Thanks for the tip..
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