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Re: Changing to a FS1r
Julie Shore
I have owned an FS1R, and the patches definitely do not sound anything like an original DX7, when you load your sounds in from the DX the difference is staggering, thin and weedy some them up, even after some tweaking they just don`t sound the same, but saying that, the FS is one of the most original boxes around, but no a DX stand in ! best use it for original sounds.
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Re: Changing to a FS1r
Julie Shore
I have owned an FS1R, and the patches definitely do not sound anything like an original DX7, when you load your sounds in from the DX the difference is staggering, thin and weedy some them up, even after some tweaking they just don`t sound the same, but saying that, the FS is one of the most original boxes around, but no a DX stand in ! best use it for original sounds.
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Re: Editind a tx802
Shayme
4 op are still FM synths, so they have a similar sound and sound quality. But, the 6-op synths
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generally sound a fair bit better, have a lot more diversity in the kinds of sounds they can make, and can sound a lot cleaner. 4op sounds are often "dirtier" or "grungier"--good in some situations, not in most. 6 op synths can also sound dirty, but they also can sound a lot more pristine. Note--you don't have to use all 6 operators on a 6-op FM synth. So, you can theoretically recreate most 4-op sounds on a 6-op synth--with some know how and tinkering. Shayme ----- Original Message -----
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Re: Changing to a FS1r
Shayme
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You wrote "FS1r...sounded so god", and your typo is actually kinda ironic, because I believe this synth is and sounds "god." I want to clear something up though--the FS1r can take sysex dumps of Yamaha's 6-operator FM-synths (DX7, TX7, TX802 for example), but not the 4-operator synths. I have owned a TX802 for about 8 years, and I've loved it. I was so ecstatic when the FS1r came along, with it's "backward compatibility." So, it isn't patch-compatible with 4-operator synths. This would be difficult with the TX81z (which I also own), since it has waveforms other than SINE. Also, I hope you know that the FS1r has been discontinued for a year or more. During Jan.-Apr. 2000 time frame, here in the US, they were blowing them out for $400 new at Guitar Center, Musician's Friend, and American Musical Supply (where I got mine). They sell used for $450-$550 on eBay currently. So--if you find one new--don't act like you want it too much. And be sure to let the guy know you know it's an old-stock item. But by all means, MAKE IT HAPPEN and own this wonderful synth. I currently own 14 synths, and the FS1r is one of my 2 or 3 all-time favorites. Good luck--and please let me (us) know if you get it or not. Shayme ----- Original Message -----
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Re: Digest Number 99
Mike Ash
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From: <YamahaDX@...> To: <YamahaDX@...> Sent: 06 April 2001 08:37 Subject: [YamahaDX] Digest Number 99 There are 10 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Changing to a FS1r From: traun@... 2. Re: Changing to a FS1r From: Richard <theroom2@...> 3. Re: Changing to a FS1r From: "HC" <hcmetz@...> 4. Re: Changing to a FS1r From: jbrave@... 5. Re: Changing to a FS1r From: traun@... 6. unsubscribe From: Rodrigo Aguilera <aguilera@...> 7. New to list From: "Bob" <bobtronic@...> 8. Re: Changing to a FS1r From: jbrave@... 9. Re: New to list From: "Michael Miccoli" <dj_mystyk56@...> 10. Re: Changing to a FS1r From: traun@... ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 00:09:43 +0200 From: traun@... Subject: Changing to a FS1r Hi I am new on the list, I have a DX7IID and I like a lot. A couple of weeks ago I head the new FS1r and it sounded so god that I was considering a change of my old DX7IID. The Clark in the shop told me that it i possible to dump voices from any previous fm (DX - TX - SY.... and so on) synths yamaha have made, is that really true? I know Yamaha have done it in the past I converted all the sounds form the DX7 to the DX7IID with good result meaning the voices sounded a lot better than the original DX7. but all all these model? If anyone on the list had the experience then I like to know :-) One thing I noticed is that could not find any Key Mode (meaning Polyphonic, Monophonic, Unison poly and Unison mono) on the FS1r. have I missed a menu? and if not how does the FS1r convert these settings from the DX7IID? I twisted around the FS1r and found the user interface slow to use but this problem could be solved by a god editor. The one on Yamaha's side is only for MAC. So my question is were do I find a good editor for PC win9X, WinNT/2000, BeOS ore Linux? Regards Joergen ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 23:12:20 +0100 From: Richard <theroom2@...> Subject: Re: Changing to a FS1r In message <3ACCED26.7C03C46F@...>, traun@... writes Hito dump voices from any previous fm (DX - TX - SY.... and so on) synths yamahameaning the voices sounded a lot better than the original DX7. but all all theseIn the UK Yamaha gave a version of SoundDiver away with it. Would you like me to send it to you. All you need to do then is to download the V3 upgrade from the Emagic site and you'll be away. -- Richard ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 15:27:35 -0700 From: "HC" <hcmetz@...> Subject: Re: Changing to a FS1r I'd be interested in the SD, too... -- On Thu, 5 Apr 2001 23:12:20 Richard wrote: In message <3ACCED26.7C03C46F@...>, traun@... writestoHi yamahadump voices from any previous fm (DX - TX - SY.... and so on) synths meaninghave made, is that really true? I know Yamaha have done it in the past I Onethe voices sounded a lot better than the original DX7. but all all these menu?thing I noticed is that could not find any Key Mode (meaning Polyphonic, thisand if not how does the FS1r convert these settings from the DX7IID? problem could be solved by a god editor. The one on Yamaha's side is onlyIn the UK Yamaha gave a version of SoundDiver away with it. Would you Get 250 color business cards for FREE! at Lycos Mail ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 15:29:27 -0700 From: jbrave@... Subject: Re: Changing to a FS1r 1. Yes you can dump patches to it from the other DX series. Unfortunately, it is one at a time only. The patches from my Dx7 FS1R sound identical on the FS1R, except no noise. 2. I don't know if there is a unison, but I think so 3. Editors: Emagic SoundDiver has an editor, and Mr. Kirill "Big K" Katnelson makes one. If you dig around the net you will find it. Joel traun@... on 04/05/2001 03:09:43 PM Please respond to YamahaDX@... To: YamahaDX@... cc: (bcc: Joel Braverman/ISO-Online) Subject [YamahaDX] Changing to a FS1r : Hi I am new on the list, I have a DX7IID and I like a lot. A couple of weeks ago I head the new FS1r and it sounded so god that I was considering a change of my old DX7IID. The Clark in the shop told me that it i possible to dump voices from any previous fm (DX - TX - SY.... and so on) synths yamaha have made, is that really true? I know Yamaha have done it in the past I converted all the sounds form the DX7 to the DX7IID with good result meaning the voices sounded a lot better than the original DX7. but all all these model? If anyone on the list had the experience then I like to know :-) One thing I noticed is that could not find any Key Mode (meaning Polyphonic, Monophonic, Unison poly and Unison mono) on the FS1r. have I missed a menu? and if not how does the FS1r convert these settings from the DX7IID? I twisted around the FS1r and found the user interface slow to use but this problem could be solved by a god editor. The one on Yamaha's side is only for MAC. So my question is were do I find a good editor for PC win9X, WinNT/2000, BeOS ore Linux? Regards Joergen Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 01:35:08 +0200 From: traun@... Subject: Re: Changing to a FS1r jbrave@... wrote: Thanks Joel for al the tips 1. I just have to ask you what model of the DX7 dit you dump the sounds from? when I dumped the sounds from my DX7 to the DX7II the sound chaged quite a bit, especialy on the base-sounds more low end, less noise and more dynamic was addet to the sounds. 2. The Unison on the DX7IID is basicly 4 identical voices you detune, of couse I can do it by using all 4 parts for a sound, but if anyone knows for sure if the FS1r have Unison please let me know, then I'll be :-) 3. I found all the abow editors thanks a lot. Jrgen [Click Here!]
[This message contained attachments] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:47:59 -0300 From: Rodrigo Aguilera <aguilera@...> Subject: unsubscribe ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 01:53:11 +0200 From: "Bob" <bobtronic@...> Subject: New to list Hi List! I am a lucky new owner of a DX7. I bought it for a very small price of 150DM (ca. 75$). Technically it is all ok. But one black key is lost. I had to clean it. The cover and the keyboardare full of wax. It take some to do this job because I had to dismantle it complete. But sound is fantastic. I love FMs own charme. So now some questions: Is there a DX7 editor for Windows (if not I plan to code my own) Where can I buy parts for the DX7 (e.g. the lost black key) [This message contained attachments] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:52:31 -0700 From: jbrave@... Subject: Re: Changing to a FS1r Its an original DX7. I hear no difference between the two machines at all, except less noise. That is most impressive to me. Joel ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 00:17:14 -0000 From: "Michael Miccoli" <dj_mystyk56@...> Subject: Re: New to list [This message is not in displayable format] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 02:41:42 +0200 From: traun@... Subject: Re: Changing to a FS1r jbrave@... wrote: Sure that's pretty impressive, and if you want the noise of the original you can properly add it by using the noise generators found on the FS1r, if I dump my voices from my DX7IID to the FS1r and it sounds like the original DX7IID voices, then yamaha have made something genius, a synth that recognized the model the voices is loaded from that would be pretty cool. Anyway I think I'll do some more research before I deside to get rid of my DX7IID. Joergen
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Re: Changing to a FS1r
jbrave@... wrote:
?Sure that's pretty impressive, and if you want the noise of the original you can properly add it by using the noise generators found on the FS1r, if I dump my voices from my DX7IID to the FS1r and it sounds like the original DX7IID voices, then yamaha have made something genius, a synth that recognized the model the voices is loaded from that would be pretty cool. Anyway I think I'll do some more research before I deside to get rid of my DX7IID. Joergen ? |
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Re: New to list
Michael Miccoli
After trying out a few editors, I found that Sound Diver 3.0 is the best editor for the DX7.? As far as parts, all I can say is good luck. Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at |
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New to list
Bob
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýHi List!
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I am a lucky new owner of a DX7. I bought it for a
very small
price of 150DM (ca. 75$). Technically it is all ok.
But one black
key is lost. I had to clean it. The cover and the
keyboardare
full of wax. It take some to do this job because I
had to dismantle
it complete. But sound is fantastic. I love FMs own
charme.
So now some questions:
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??? ??? Is there a DX7 editor for Windows (if not
I plan to code my own)
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Where can I buy parts for the DX7 (e.g.?the lost black key)
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Re: Changing to a FS1r
jbrave@... wrote:
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1.??? I just have to ask you what model of the DX7 dit you dump the sounds from? when I dumped the sounds from my DX7 to the DX7II the sound chaged quite a bit, especialy on the base-sounds more low end, less noise and more dynamic was addet to the sounds. 2.??? The Unison on the DX7IID is basicly 4 identical voices you? detune, of couse I can do it by using all 4 parts for a sound, but if anyone knows for sure if the FS1r have Unison please let me know, then I'll be :-) 3.??? I found all the abow editors thanks a lot. J?rgen ? |
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Re: Changing to a FS1r
1. Yes you can dump patches to it from the other DX series. Unfortunately, it is
one at a time only. The patches from my Dx7 FS1R sound identical on the FS1R, except no noise. 2. I don't know if there is a unison, but I think so 3. Editors: Emagic SoundDiver has an editor, and Mr. Kirill "Big K" Katnelson makes one. If you dig around the net you will find it. Joel traun@... on 04/05/2001 03:09:43 PM Please respond to YamahaDX@... To: YamahaDX@... cc: (bcc: Joel Braverman/ISO-Online) Subject [YamahaDX] Changing to a FS1r : Hi I am new on the list, I have a DX7IID and I like a lot. A couple of weeks ago I head the new FS1r and it sounded so god that I was considering a change of my old DX7IID. The Clark in the shop told me that it i possible to dump voices from any previous fm (DX - TX - SY.... and so on) synths yamaha have made, is that really true? I know Yamaha have done it in the past I converted all the sounds form the DX7 to the DX7IID with good result meaning the voices sounded a lot better than the original DX7. but all all these model? If anyone on the list had the experience then I like to know :-) One thing I noticed is that could not find any Key Mode (meaning Polyphonic, Monophonic, Unison poly and Unison mono) on the FS1r. have I missed a menu? and if not how does the FS1r convert these settings from the DX7IID? I twisted around the FS1r and found the user interface slow to use but this problem could be solved by a god editor. The one on Yamaha's side is only for MAC. So my question is were do I find a good editor for PC win9X, WinNT/2000, BeOS ore Linux? Regards Joergen Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to |
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Re: Changing to a FS1r
I'd be interested in the SD, too...
-- On Thu, 5 Apr 2001 23:12:20 Richard wrote: In message <3ACCED26.7C03C46F@...>, traun@... writesHiIn the UK Yamaha gave a version of SoundDiver away with it. Would you Get 250 color business cards for FREE! at Lycos Mail |
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Re: Changing to a FS1r
Richard
In message <3ACCED26.7C03C46F@...>, traun@... writes
HiIn the UK Yamaha gave a version of SoundDiver away with it. Would you like me to send it to you. All you need to do then is to download the V3 upgrade from the Emagic site and you'll be away. -- Richard |
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Changing to a FS1r
Hi
I am new on the list, I have a DX7IID and I like a lot. A couple of weeks ago I head the new FS1r and it sounded so god that I was considering a change of my old DX7IID. The Clark in the shop told me that it i possible to dump voices from any previous fm (DX - TX - SY.... and so on) synths yamaha have made, is that really true? I know Yamaha have done it in the past I converted all the sounds form the DX7 to the DX7IID with good result meaning the voices sounded a lot better than the original DX7. but all all these model? If anyone on the list had the experience then I like to know :-) One thing I noticed is that could not find any Key Mode (meaning Polyphonic, Monophonic, Unison poly and Unison mono) on the FS1r. have I missed a menu? and if not how does the FS1r convert these settings from the DX7IID? I twisted around the FS1r and found the user interface slow to use but this problem could be solved by a god editor. The one on Yamaha's side is only for MAC. So my question is were do I find a good editor for PC win9X, WinNT/2000, BeOS ore Linux? Regards Joergen |
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An answer and a question (slightly OT?)
Scott
Well, instead of buying a new patchbay with more inputs (maybe
someday I will), I'm going back to my original plan, which was to create all the FB-01 sounds using just one, and then do a sysex dump to my sequencer. Once I have the patches, I'll create configurations for each song, and insert the sysex message at the beginning of the sequence. The DX-100 is set up as a MIDI controller to test the patches during editing. I realize that this is all simple stuff, if you're a MIDI veteran, but it's still new to me. MIDI implementation has come a long way; these older synths have some weird limitations. The QX3 is great because in addition to being a sequencer, it is also a midi data recorder. I'm starting to figure out how to make use of sysex, so I'll be able to do what I want to do. Now I just need to figure out controller messages. I've been writing sequences with Cakewalk for some songs that I originally multitracked. One song has a solo at the end that I played on a Moog Liberation, and to make it sound right, the sequenced part has to be played portamento. Can I apply this function without having to play the part in real time using a pitch bender or something? (Does the DX-100 transmit portamento?) I was trying to find a .CAL script to do it, but haven't seen one. Scott --- In YamahaDX@y..., jbrave@m... wrote: feel like buying a new MIDI patchbay, I found a new way to hookeverything up. It's a bit more work, but it's all about the results, anyway. |
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Re: Never mind....
Details?
"Scott" <kraken_rex@...> on 04/03/2001 12:49:23 PM Please respond to YamahaDX@... To: YamahaDX@... cc: (bcc: Joel Braverman/ISO-Online) Subject [YamahaDX] Never mind.... : I think I worked everything out. Saved by the QX3! Since I didn't feel like buying a new MIDI patchbay, I found a new way to hook everything up. It's a bit more work, but it's all about the results, anyway. S Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to |
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Need help with home studio
I thank the people who answered my earlier post, but I am still having
problems getting my MIDI devices to work with Sound Diver. I'm using a DX-100, 2 FB-01's, a drum machine, and soon, a sampler. I have tried many different configurations with the DX and FB's, but the only time it works is when just one device is attached to my PC. I am using the THRU connectors, so the original signal _should_ pass all the way down the chain, but Sound Diver won't recognize the devices like this. (I DO have the device ID's set differently) It isn't the most recent version, and I know that it doesn't support scanning for the FB-01, so I had to add them manually (and probably didn't do it right). My goal, other than just getting things to work, ;) is to create new voices and configurations to make a sysex dump for my sequencer. I don't trust the back-up batteries in the FB's, so I just want to be able to load them in with a disk if I have to. Any pointers for getting multiple devices to work with Sound Diver? I'm sure that my problem is the configuration, but it hasn't worked any of the ways I've tried. Scott |
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