Hi Thor,
I think many FS1R users will be very curious how you are going to
incorporate your findings into a great sounding pianopatch.
Many thanks? to your ongoing persute to accomplish this!
Let us knows your progression.
Hans
Op 24-6-2020 om 18:04 schreef Thor Z:
Hi Hans,
I'm thinking of using groups of harmonics, with each set offset
a bit more and spaced a little wider as you go up in frequency.?
There isn't any way to get a progressive fan naturally in FM,
but we can approximate it.? I have the Piano harmonics laid out
in a spreadsheet, so I know what the spacing should be.? I also
have some recordings of the sympathetic resonance, the
background sound in a Piano, that should help it sound more
realistic.? Add in a damper thunk, and I think it should sound
pretty authentic.
Thor
On 6/24/2020 8:50 AM, Hans van den
Tillaart wrote:
Hi Thor,
Thank you for the explanation. I see what you mean with the
wider apart harmonics. How would the FM aproach be with that? I
thought it would be simple detuning of modulators to get that
effect or am i wrong with this?
Hans
Op 24-6-2020 om 16:13 schreef Thor
Z:
Hi Hans,
Inharmonicity is technically an expanding fan of harmonics
like this:
See how the harmonic peaks get wider and wider apart as you
go higher and higher in frequency?? This one is really
exaggerated, off the Yamaha VP1.? The next one is from a
Trombone, it's pretty normal, no inharmonicity.
Both of these plots are for the same pitched note.?
Inharmonicity does not simply mean dissonant harmonics, it
means a specific arrangement of dissonant harmonics.? The
term was coined by researchers back in and 80's and
popularized by Yamaha back when they were working on the
Yamaha VP1 in the 90's.? The Piano is the prime example of
inharmonicity in research papers.
Thor
On 6/24/2020 7:55 AM, Hans van
den Tillaart wrote:
Hey Thor,
In the FS1R you can use the unvoiced operators with some
adjustments as voiced ones so wich make it 16 operators to
work with (from your paper). But i understand the
limitations on that route. With the inharmonicity you mean
the effect of more detuned operators going up the keyboard?
?Also it is possible to use software applications like DEXED
?
for further additional polishing the sound...
But the main focus is ofcourse to get the most of our
beloved FS1R.
If you could make that happen al the FS1R users would be
cheering you from there rooftops.;)?
Also there are ofcourse other emulations like Rhodes and the
like wich could be tackled better...
Best wishes,
Hans van den Tillaart
Op 23-6-2020 om 20:59 schreef
Thor Z:
OK Hans, I went and listened to Manny's first video on
his Piano patch... Holy Moly, Batman!? He's created
eight entirely different patches which are mixed
together to get his single Piano sound.? We don't have
eight Parts in an FS1R, we only have four.? It would
take two FS1R's to implement his Montage Piano patch.?
Sorry.
All is not lost, though.? Manny is from the "add more
and more stuff until it sounds right" school of
thought.? Most people are this way, actually.? But
wouldn't it be more efficient if you targeted a Piano
sound right out of the box?? I think so.? I'm going to
have to work on this myself, to see what I can come up
with.
He uses the term 'inharmonicity' wrong too, but that's
ok.? Only engineers and researchers actually know what
it really means.? But he should know better, I explained
it in detail in my paper on the VP1, which he read.? He
made a lot of red-line comments too, which I very
carefully corrected.? He knows a lot about the internal
Yamaha VL1/VP1 politics which I could only speculate
on.? Anyway.
Thor
On 6/23/2020 8:06 AM, Hans
van den Tillaart wrote:
Hi Fred and
Thor!
Yes i use the same application as Thor does wich is
the best for your FS1R!
Thor has also the best FM tutorial on the planet for
instrument emulation! Great work!
I wonder if Thor has already tried to make the best
Piano patch there is for the FS1R?
For the Montage and like there is a very good patch
written bij Manny Fernandez.
If we could translate that patch to FS1R then we
would be close...
You can find it here:
?
It would
certainly make my day if this patch could be
translated for FS1R ;)
Greetings and good luck!
Hans van den Tillaart
Op 23-6-2020 om 15:22
schreef Thor Z:
Hi Fred,
I use the free K-Take FS1R editor.? It works
great!? There are both PC and Mac versions.
I've spent a lot of time learning how to program
the FS1R, I've written an FM-Programming Guide which
you can download off my website.? It goes into the
FS1R in the latter chapters on FM-X and Formants.?
Best Regards,? Thor
On 6/23/2020 2:17 AM,
Saxfred wrote:
As you know the FS1r is a very powerful Synth with a
huge amount of parameters
Are you using any editor and if so which one ?
thanks for your feedback
REgards
Fred
