Hi Thor,

Thank you for the explanation. I see what you mean with the wider apart harmonics. How would the FM aproach be with that? I thought it would be simple detuning of modulators to get that effect or am i wrong with this?

Hans

Op 24-6-2020 om 16:13 schreef Thor Z:

Hi Hans,

Inharmonicity is technically an expanding fan of harmonics like this:

See how the harmonic peaks get wider and wider apart as you go higher and higher in frequency?? This one is really exaggerated, off the Yamaha VP1.? The next one is from a Trombone, it's pretty normal, no inharmonicity.

Both of these plots are for the same pitched note.? Inharmonicity does not simply mean dissonant harmonics, it means a specific arrangement of dissonant harmonics.? The term was coined by researchers back in and 80's and popularized by Yamaha back when they were working on the Yamaha VP1 in the 90's.? The Piano is the prime example of inharmonicity in research papers.

Thor

On 6/24/2020 7:55 AM, Hans van den Tillaart wrote:

Hey Thor,

In the FS1R you can use the unvoiced operators with some adjustments as voiced ones so wich make it 16 operators to work with (from your paper). But i understand the limitations on that route. With the inharmonicity you mean the effect of more detuned operators going up the keyboard?
?Also it is possible to use software applications like DEXED ? for further additional polishing the sound...
But the main focus is ofcourse to get the most of our beloved FS1R.
If you could make that happen al the FS1R users would be cheering you from there rooftops.;)?
Also there are ofcourse other emulations like Rhodes and the like wich could be tackled better...

Best wishes,

Hans van den Tillaart

Op 23-6-2020 om 20:59 schreef Thor Z:

OK Hans, I went and listened to Manny's first video on his Piano patch... Holy Moly, Batman!? He's created eight entirely different patches which are mixed together to get his single Piano sound.? We don't have eight Parts in an FS1R, we only have four.? It would take two FS1R's to implement his Montage Piano patch.? Sorry.

All is not lost, though.? Manny is from the "add more and more stuff until it sounds right" school of thought.? Most people are this way, actually.? But wouldn't it be more efficient if you targeted a Piano sound right out of the box?? I think so.? I'm going to have to work on this myself, to see what I can come up with.

He uses the term 'inharmonicity' wrong too, but that's ok.? Only engineers and researchers actually know what it really means.? But he should know better, I explained it in detail in my paper on the VP1, which he read.? He made a lot of red-line comments too, which I very carefully corrected.? He knows a lot about the internal Yamaha VL1/VP1 politics which I could only speculate on.? Anyway.

Thor

On 6/23/2020 8:06 AM, Hans van den Tillaart wrote:

Hi Fred and Thor!

Yes i use the same application as Thor does wich is the best for your FS1R!
Thor has also the best FM tutorial on the planet for instrument emulation! Great work!

I wonder if Thor has already tried to make the best Piano patch there is for the FS1R?
For the Montage and like there is a very good patch written bij Manny Fernandez.
If we could translate that patch to FS1R then we would be close...
You can find it here:


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It would certainly make my day if this patch could be translated for FS1R ;)

Greetings and good luck!

Hans van den Tillaart

Op 23-6-2020 om 15:22 schreef Thor Z:

Hi Fred,

I use the free K-Take FS1R editor.? It works great!? There are both PC and Mac versions.

I've spent a lot of time learning how to program the FS1R, I've written an FM-Programming Guide which you can download off my website.? It goes into the FS1R in the latter chapters on FM-X and Formants.?

Best Regards,? Thor

On 6/23/2020 2:17 AM, Saxfred wrote:

As you know the FS1r is a very powerful Synth with a huge amount of parameters
Are you using any editor and if so which one ?

thanks for your feedback
REgards
Fred