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Re: DR5000 & Cobalt Problems

 

I've tried them bus suppressors and they gave me false occupancies


On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 8:10?AM Adam Eddy via <adamaeddy=[email protected]> wrote:
I have 20 cobalt IPs and have had the same issue.? Didn’t think DCC concepts would be prepared to replace them all.? Whenever I spoke to them about the dr5000 it felt like it was some suspicious “other” digital controller they knew little about.
some time later I read on this very forum that bus suppressors were the answer so I bought a few self assemble kits for a few pounds and put them on my power busses and my dcc accessory bus feeding the digital IPs.? So far so good!
Re: DR5000 & Cobalt Problems

 

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John,

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This is still expensive for what it actually is but more realistic given it includes postage charges

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Iain

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of John Critchley via groups.io
Sent: 26 November 2024 08:17
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: DR5000 & Cobalt Problems

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Adam, where did you buy the self assemble bus suppressor kits?

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It maybe helpful for others if they need them?

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Thanks John

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XR



On 26 Nov 2024, at 08:10, Adam Eddy via groups.io <adamaeddy@...> wrote:

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I have 20 cobalt IPs and have had the same issue. ?Didn’t think DCC concepts would be prepared to replace them all. ?Whenever I spoke to them about the dr5000 it felt like it was some suspicious “other” digital controller they knew little about.

some time later I read on this very forum that bus suppressors were the answer so I bought a few self assemble kits for a few pounds and put them on my power busses and my dcc accessory bus feeding the digital IPs. ?So far so good!
Re: Lodi-con with YD7001 via Z21 protocol - bug?

 

I find this response for Lodi rather surprising given that the Z21 protocol is an openly published document and has been used by many other companies to develop items and not of them seem to have an issue with bidirectional traffic between a Z21 and their product.

As an example I use iTrain which interfaces to the Z21 without issue and that is very bidirectional.

This sounds like a blame game by Lodi to cover up their inadequacy within the controller.


Many Thanks

Iain Morrison


On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 at 02:27, Reded via <smartfxsoftware=[email protected]> wrote:
I have the very nice Lodi-Con Controller ()....that was advertised to work with any Z21 protocol station. The unit has huge potential but there seems to be one issue, and the company that makes it blames Roco and a bug in the Z21 protocol. To get it to even function you have to set it to ignore data coming from the command station and only send data. This means some of its features don't work (like acceleration and deacceleration) which is a shame. I wonder if Karst knows anything about this? Is this something you can fix for the YD7001?
Heres the message from the manufacture:
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yes, I'm aware of the YD7001. However, it also just uses the official Z21 protocol, so it doesn't matter whether it's a Z21, YD7001, MD, or any other control unit with the Z21 protocol. For example, our LoDi-Rektor can also use Z21, and it doesn’t work there either because the speed steps get mixed up in the protocol, and the response from the control unit differs from what the handheld controller has set.

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Yes, that's exactly how it's intended to work in LoDi-Con, and it also works with Ecos, LoDi, CS from M?rklin, and Lenz. However, as mentioned above, the problem with the Z21 arises here. The control unit sends back only garbage to the handheld controller, hence the inconsistency.

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Thanks Eddie

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Re: DR5000 & Cobalt Problems

 

But other things take more than 2mins effort to make for yourself.


Many Thanks

Iain Morrison


On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 at 00:26, Reded via <smartfxsoftware=[email protected]> wrote:
Yup...But you could say that about just about anything :-)?
Re: DR5000 & Cobalt Problems

 

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Adam, where did you buy the self assemble bus suppressor kits?

It maybe helpful for others if they need them?

Thanks John

XR

On 26 Nov 2024, at 08:10, Adam Eddy via groups.io <adamaeddy@...> wrote:

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I have 20 cobalt IPs and have had the same issue. ?Didn’t think DCC concepts would be prepared to replace them all. ?Whenever I spoke to them about the dr5000 it felt like it was some suspicious “other” digital controller they knew little about.
some time later I read on this very forum that bus suppressors were the answer so I bought a few self assemble kits for a few pounds and put them on my power busses and my dcc accessory bus feeding the digital IPs. ?So far so good!
Re: DR5000 & Cobalt Problems

 

I have 20 cobalt IPs and have had the same issue. ?Didn’t think DCC concepts would be prepared to replace them all. ?Whenever I spoke to them about the dr5000 it felt like it was some suspicious “other” digital controller they knew little about.
some time later I read on this very forum that bus suppressors were the answer so I bought a few self assemble kits for a few pounds and put them on my power busses and my dcc accessory bus feeding the digital IPs. ?So far so good!
Lodi-con with YD7001 via Z21 protocol - bug?

 

I have the very nice Lodi-Con Controller ()....that was advertised to work with any Z21 protocol station. The unit has huge potential but there seems to be one issue, and the company that makes it blames Roco and a bug in the Z21 protocol. To get it to even function you have to set it to ignore data coming from the command station and only send data. This means some of its features don't work (like acceleration and deacceleration) which is a shame. I wonder if Karst knows anything about this? Is this something you can fix for the YD7001?
Heres the message from the manufacture:
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yes, I'm aware of the YD7001. However, it also just uses the official Z21 protocol, so it doesn't matter whether it's a Z21, YD7001, MD, or any other control unit with the Z21 protocol. For example, our LoDi-Rektor can also use Z21, and it doesn’t work there either because the speed steps get mixed up in the protocol, and the response from the control unit differs from what the handheld controller has set.

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Yes, that's exactly how it's intended to work in LoDi-Con, and it also works with Ecos, LoDi, CS from M?rklin, and Lenz. However, as mentioned above, the problem with the Z21 arises here. The control unit sends back only garbage to the handheld controller, hence the inconsistency.

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Thanks Eddie
Re: DR5000 & Cobalt Problems

 

Yup...But you could say that about just about anything :-)?
Re: DR5000 & Cobalt Problems

 

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Bloomin ‘eck - ?10 for components that would cost 20p!!

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Reded via groups.io
Sent: 25 November 2024 22:26
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: DR5000 & Cobalt Problems

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[Edited Message Follows]

I had the same issue and they replaced 12 (out of 30) of mine. I use Railcom so turning it off was not an option. I added these about a year ago and the issue cleared up ! ?
Re: DR5000 & Cobalt Problems

 
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I had the same issue and they replaced 12 (out of 30) of mine. I use Railcom so turning it off was not an option. I added these about a year ago and the issue cleared up ! ?
Re: DR5000 & Cobalt Problems

 

no dont use railcom its always turned off?
its the first thing dcc concepts asked
Re: DR5000 & Cobalt Problems

 

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Alan,

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Do you use Railcom on your layout? If not then switch it off in the YD7001. IP Digitals often don’t play well with Railcom

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Iain

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Alan Watt via groups.io
Sent: 25 November 2024 17:21
To: [email protected]
Subject: DR5000 & Cobalt Problems

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Hello Forum

some time ago I had problems only with Cobalt ipdigitals connected to the old DR5000 some cobalts would lose or change their address for no reason.

I had many a chat with dcc concepts and they changed all my 54 cobalts with the orange terminals for the new yellow terminals free of charge.

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so they said it was to do with my DR5000 the DR5000 worked fine in itself but had this problem with cobalts?

I could connect the cobalts to any other dcc system and they worked fine

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so my question is I have upgraded my DR5000 with the YD9401 would that have changed anything to make a difference to the operation side for cobalts?

thank you

Alan
DR5000 & Cobalt Problems

 

Hello Forum
some time ago I had problems only with Cobalt ipdigitals connected to the old DR5000 some cobalts would lose or change their address for no reason.
I had many a chat with dcc concepts and they changed all my 54 cobalts with the orange terminals for the new yellow terminals free of charge.
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so they said it was to do with my DR5000 the DR5000 worked fine in itself but had this problem with cobalts?
I could connect the cobalts to any other dcc system and they worked fine
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so my question is I have upgraded my DR5000 with the YD9401 would that have changed anything to make a difference to the operation side for cobalts?
thank you
Alan
Re: Kato Turnouts and YD8008s

 

On Thu, Nov 14, 2024 at 11:26 AM, @Kysouthern wrote:
Has anyone tried this setup and if so, do the new Solenoid decoders stop the humming?
Hundreds of YD8008 are used in this way, never had complaints about "Humming"?

Best thing to do however would be to use a SMPS of about 15-18VDC.

Greets,
Karst
Re: Kato Turnouts and YD8008s

 

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It sounds like the 50018 was not set up correctly and you were using it as an On/Off switch rather than setting the correct option for solenoid motors which would explain why the motors were buzzing all the time.

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Iain Morrison

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of hmountz01 via groups.io
Sent: 15 November 2024 00:25
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Kato Turnouts and YD8008s

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Hi Dennis,

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Since we moved, we no longer have the layout that used Digikeijs. ?I do not remember setting CV47. ?We used the Digikeijs app to set up the switch decoders.

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At this time, we are just trying to decide what DCC system to use to run our new layout.

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Thanks.
Re: Kato Turnouts and YD8008s

 

Hi Dennis,
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Since we moved, we no longer have the layout that used Digikeijs. ?I do not remember setting CV47. ?We used the Digikeijs app to set up the switch decoders.
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At this time, we are just trying to decide what DCC system to use to run our new layout.
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Thanks.
Re: Kato Turnouts and YD8008s

 

What CV47 number do you have set on the DR4018 or DK50018?
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Kato Turnouts and YD8008s

 

We used the Digikiejs DR5000 and DK50018s along with the DR4101s to operate an N Scale layout with Kato track and turnouts. ?They operated well, but the switches had a humming sound when track power was applied.
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We would like to use the YD7010 with the YD8008 Solenoid Switch Decoders and the YD6940s to hookup a new layout using Kato track. ?

Has anyone tried this setup and if so, do the new Solenoid decoders stop the humming?
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Thanks,
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Hubert
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Re: YaMoRC-Digikeijis Network Detection

 

On Thu, Oct 24, 2024 at 07:04 PM, karst.drenth wrote:
Thanks Karst. I'll get to work!.
Re: YD8116 control of MTB turnout motors

 

On Wed, Oct 23, 2024 at 01:42 AM, papadelta wrote:
Do you think the YD8116 could drive two MP10s on a crossover from the same output?
Yes it can. The MP's are really low current consumers.

Greets,
Karst
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