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Re: Locobuffer-N + DR4018

 

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The Train Tech SC1 will only do 2 aspect signals, for 3-4 or route control I think you need the sc2, 3 or 4, this is why I went with the CR signals one, it will do more on 1 Board. ?

I’m running the Z21 app on my iPad and when you can select a 2, 3 or 4 aspect signal and you can Alter the inputs, I used the 4 aspect to run my feathered signals.

1970s I was becoming a teenager through to joining the army, live in Wiltshire.

Andy




On 11 May 2020, at 07:29, abp <andrew_pink58@...> wrote:

?Paul mention about SC1 . from CR Signals .
I got the Train Tech SC1.
Not sure if this will work? on a DR5000 system though?
I can get two aspects working.? When it comes to
Three aspects or with feathers.? That's the main issue .
Plus feedback to computer screen what position shown.
Your name . That I knew someone of the same name as yours in the 1970s UK?
Andrew .


Re: Locobuffer-N + DR4018

abp
 

Paul mention about SC1 . from CR Signals .
I got the Train Tech SC1.
Not sure if this will work? on a DR5000 system though?
I can get two aspects working.? When it comes to
Three aspects or with feathers.? That's the main issue .
Plus feedback to computer screen what position shown.
Your name . That I knew someone of the same name as yours in the 1970s UK?
Andrew .


Re: Locobuffer-N + DR4018

 

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Andrew,
I used CR Signals SC1 board for the feathered signals and that runs straight off the feed from my DR5000, the others go into a 4018 run from my 5000.

Andy


On 11 May 2020, at 06:34, abp <andrew_pink58@...> wrote:

?On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 10:05 PM, andrew whitaker wrote:
Andrew, who are the signals made by? All mine are CR Signals, I’ve 2 with feathers that run off the decoder board from them, the others go through the 4018s, I only did it this way as the feathered ones are on a different base board to the rest and it was easier than running longer wires across board joins.
?
Andy

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On 11 May 2020, at 04:56, abp <andrew_pink58@...> wrote:

With locobuffer-N that i have .can you use this with the DR4018 .
Trying to find a accessory decoder? to operate? three aspect signals?
Or do still have to get the DR5000 to operate the system?
Andrew?

?Hi Andrew?
Mine are from CR Signals. from Paul . But I make my own?
I just get the molds from him only .
?yes I have feathers on the signals as well. Been making Y one's to.
This is all new to me what boards would i have to get? An
Thanks Andrew .
Andrew.


Re: Locobuffer-N + DR4018

abp
 

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 10:05 PM, andrew whitaker wrote:
Andrew, who are the signals made by? All mine are CR Signals, I’ve 2 with feathers that run off the decoder board from them, the others go through the 4018s, I only did it this way as the feathered ones are on a different base board to the rest and it was easier than running longer wires across board joins.
?
Andy

?

On 11 May 2020, at 04:56, abp <andrew_pink58@...> wrote:

With locobuffer-N that i have .can you use this with the DR4018 .
Trying to find a accessory decoder? to operate? three aspect signals?
Or do still have to get the DR5000 to operate the system?
Andrew?

?Hi Andrew?
Mine are from CR Signals. from Paul . But I make my own?
I just get the molds from him only .
?yes I have feathers on the signals as well. Been making Y one's to.
This is all new to me what boards would i have to get? An
Thanks Andrew .
Andrew.


Re: Locobuffer-N + DR4018

 

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Andrew, who are the signals made by? All mine are CR Signals, I’ve 2 with feathers that run off the decoder board from them, the others go through the 4018s, I only did it this way as the feathered ones are on a different base board to the rest and it was easier than running longer wires across board joins.

Andy


On 11 May 2020, at 04:56, abp <andrew_pink58@...> wrote:

?With locobuffer-N that i have .can you use this with the DR4018 .
Trying to find a accessory decoder? to operate? three aspect signals?
Or do still have to get the DR5000 to operate the system?
Andrew?


Locobuffer-N + DR4018

abp
 

With locobuffer-N that i have .can you use this with the DR4018 .
Trying to find a accessory decoder? to operate? three aspect signals?
Or do still have to get the DR5000 to operate the system?
Andrew?


Re: 4018, Z21 app, and atlas turnout question

 

I would also be interested in knowing why not.? I haven't run across any issues with having more than one connected.

In fact,? I attend a regular op session that has 16 Roco WLANmaus all connected straight to the DR5000 at the same time.? Plus some Z21 apps on phones.

These op sessions go for over three hours.

Haven't seen any issues yet and this setup has been in place for over a year now.

Ryan


Re: 4018, Z21 app, and atlas turnout question

Rick Norell
 

Why not?? Details please!

On Sunday, May 10, 2020, 04:18:42 PM MDT, Iain Morrison <w.iain.morrison@...> wrote:


Not saying you cant, just saying that I wouldn't - I would use a Wi-Fi router and connect the DR5000 via a LAN cable to the Wi-Fi router.

Iain Morrison

07767456746

On 10/05/2020 23:16, Rick Norell via groups.io wrote:


On Sunday, May 10, 2020, 03:19:30 PM MDT, Iain Morrison <w.iain.morrison@...> wrote:


auto-correction is a pain :( - correct message

I personally WOULDN'T use the DR5000 Wi-Fi for more than one device, it isn't a router.

Iain Morrison


You seem to be saying that one cannot connect two throttles to DR5000 Wifi.? I don't believe that is true, or at least, hope it is not true!? That would be deal breaker for me.


Re: 4018, Z21 app, and atlas turnout question

Rick Norell
 



On Sunday, May 10, 2020, 03:19:30 PM MDT, Iain Morrison <w.iain.morrison@...> wrote:


auto-correction is a pain :( - correct message

I personally WOULDN'T use the DR5000 Wi-Fi for more than one device, it isn't a router.

Iain Morrison


You seem to be saying that one cannot connect two throttles to DR5000 Wifi.? I don't believe that is true, or at least, hope it is not true!? That would be deal breaker for me.


Re: 4018, Z21 app, and atlas turnout question

 

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I’m on the same one so not that, the DR5000 has it’s own wifi and both tablets were set to only connect to that so no problem on that front as both were operating at the same time using the dual screen track and loco. ?Unfortunately due to the current situation I can’t check out whether or not it’s still a problem as my layout is 9miles away in the clubroom.

Andy


On 10 May 2020, at 21:21, Iain Morrison <w.iain.morrison@...> wrote:

?
I am using the ‘new’ version and I would suggest that if the issue happened at an exhibition then it was probably down to network contention (phones also cause issues as they are broadcasting all the time) as many people have had issues using WiFi at exhibitors - NEC last year was chaotic with people buying up all the wired handsets they could find to get over the WiFi issues

This isn’t a problem at home though :)


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Subject: Re: [Digikeijs EN] 4018, Z21 app, and atlas turnout question
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Hi Iain,

Which z21 app are you using the new or old version? I can definitely confirm the point switching not being noticed on one tablet when switched by another as I was running my layout at Calne this year for the first time and with two of us running we found that although locos would show on either tablets, points caught us out several times resulting in derailments.?

Cheers
Andy


On 10 May 2020, at 20:58, Iain Morrison <w.iain.morrison@...> wrote:

?

I have multiple controllers and a computer, plus an iPhone and an iPad? doing changes to turnouts and they have never failed to see a change made by another one or got out of sync.

I suggest that this synchronisation issue might be a bit of a myth as it isn't something I have heard other people have issues with either.

Iain Morrison

07767456746

On 10/05/2020 20:49, Rick Norell via groups.io wrote:
Thank you Iain and Andrew for your helpful responses! My original concern was someone throwing a set of points by hand, likely a rare event but could happen with young children. You both brought up a greater concern, multiple operators throwing switches that may/may not show each tablet. Not a deal breaker but something needs to be considered during operation. I'll mostly be a lone operator so not a major concern. Thanks again!
On Sunday, May 10, 2020, 01:08:46 AM MDT, Iain Morrison <w.iain.morrison@...> wrote:


Rick

What do mean by manually? If you mean someone physically switching the turnout by pushing the blades into another position then that action will not be replayed in the Z21 app.

If you mean manually by using another throttle to switch them e.g. Multimaus then that change would be reflected if the app is active.

If the app isn’t active on the phone or tablet it doesn’t matter how you change the turnouts, the changes will not be shown in the app.

Get

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Subject: [Digikeijs EN] 4018, Z21 app, and atlas turnout question
?
I am pleased to see that one can set up a digital control panel on the cell phone with the Z21, DR 4018, and atlas turnouts.? Do the Z21 and DR4018 indicate the correct turnout position if the turnout is operated manually rather than with the app + 4018?? I would expect to do turnout control with the throttle but someone may move a turnout manually...


Re: 4018, Z21 app, and atlas turnout question

 

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I am using the ‘new’ version and I would suggest that if the issue happened at an exhibition then it was probably down to network contention (phones also cause issues as they are broadcasting all the time) as many people have had issues using WiFi at exhibitors - NEC last year was chaotic with people buying up all the wired handsets they could find to get over the WiFi issues

This isn’t a problem at home though :)


Get


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of andrew whitaker via groups.io <andy9202@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 9:14:39 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Digikeijs EN] 4018, Z21 app, and atlas turnout question
?
Hi Iain,

Which z21 app are you using the new or old version? I can definitely confirm the point switching not being noticed on one tablet when switched by another as I was running my layout at Calne this year for the first time and with two of us running we found that although locos would show on either tablets, points caught us out several times resulting in derailments.?

Cheers
Andy


On 10 May 2020, at 20:58, Iain Morrison <w.iain.morrison@...> wrote:

?

I have multiple controllers and a computer, plus an iPhone and an iPad? doing changes to turnouts and they have never failed to see a change made by another one or got out of sync.

I suggest that this synchronisation issue might be a bit of a myth as it isn't something I have heard other people have issues with either.

Iain Morrison

07767456746

On 10/05/2020 20:49, Rick Norell via groups.io wrote:
Thank you Iain and Andrew for your helpful responses! My original concern was someone throwing a set of points by hand, likely a rare event but could happen with young children. You both brought up a greater concern, multiple operators throwing switches that may/may not show each tablet. Not a deal breaker but something needs to be considered during operation. I'll mostly be a lone operator so not a major concern. Thanks again!
On Sunday, May 10, 2020, 01:08:46 AM MDT, Iain Morrison <w.iain.morrison@...> wrote:


Rick

What do mean by manually? If you mean someone physically switching the turnout by pushing the blades into another position then that action will not be replayed in the Z21 app.

If you mean manually by using another throttle to switch them e.g. Multimaus then that change would be reflected if the app is active.

If the app isn’t active on the phone or tablet it doesn’t matter how you change the turnouts, the changes will not be shown in the app.

Get

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Rick Norell via groups.io <ricknorell@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 5:23:52 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [Digikeijs EN] 4018, Z21 app, and atlas turnout question
?
I am pleased to see that one can set up a digital control panel on the cell phone with the Z21, DR 4018, and atlas turnouts.? Do the Z21 and DR4018 indicate the correct turnout position if the turnout is operated manually rather than with the app + 4018?? I would expect to do turnout control with the throttle but someone may move a turnout manually...


Re: 4018, Z21 app, and atlas turnout question

 

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Hi Iain,

Which z21 app are you using the new or old version? I can definitely confirm the point switching not being noticed on one tablet when switched by another as I was running my layout at Calne this year for the first time and with two of us running we found that although locos would show on either tablets, points caught us out several times resulting in derailments.?

Cheers
Andy


On 10 May 2020, at 20:58, Iain Morrison <w.iain.morrison@...> wrote:

?

I have multiple controllers and a computer, plus an iPhone and an iPad? doing changes to turnouts and they have never failed to see a change made by another one or got out of sync.

I suggest that this synchronisation issue might be a bit of a myth as it isn't something I have heard other people have issues with either.

Iain Morrison

07767456746

On 10/05/2020 20:49, Rick Norell via groups.io wrote:
Thank you Iain and Andrew for your helpful responses! My original concern was someone throwing a set of points by hand, likely a rare event but could happen with young children. You both brought up a greater concern, multiple operators throwing switches that may/may not show each tablet. Not a deal breaker but something needs to be considered during operation. I'll mostly be a lone operator so not a major concern. Thanks again!
On Sunday, May 10, 2020, 01:08:46 AM MDT, Iain Morrison <w.iain.morrison@...> wrote:


Rick

What do mean by manually? If you mean someone physically switching the turnout by pushing the blades into another position then that action will not be replayed in the Z21 app.

If you mean manually by using another throttle to switch them e.g. Multimaus then that change would be reflected if the app is active.

If the app isn’t active on the phone or tablet it doesn’t matter how you change the turnouts, the changes will not be shown in the app.

Get

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Rick Norell via groups.io <ricknorell@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 5:23:52 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [Digikeijs EN] 4018, Z21 app, and atlas turnout question
?
I am pleased to see that one can set up a digital control panel on the cell phone with the Z21, DR 4018, and atlas turnouts.? Do the Z21 and DR4018 indicate the correct turnout position if the turnout is operated manually rather than with the app + 4018?? I would expect to do turnout control with the throttle but someone may move a turnout manually...


Re: 4018, Z21 app, and atlas turnout question

 

Rick,

If there is a possibility of a turnout being thrown manually then you will need to add a senor trigger to the the turnout.? ?Like some kind of micro switch.?

Use the micro switch to trigger a sensor input on a DR4088LN-GND.? This will then update all your devices as to the actual position of the turnout.

Having Positive Turnout Control is nice even in the event you send out a turnout command and the physical turnout doesn't throw for some reason.

This can also be done using the same sensor inputs as mentioned above with a motor like a Tortoise by using the built in switch.? If it doesn't throw then the sensor never changes letting you know there is a problem.??

Ryan


Re: 4018, Z21 app, and atlas turnout question

Rick Norell
 

Iain,

Thanks for the additional reply. I do not yet own a system so have not had an opportunity to check this out first hand.
On Sunday, May 10, 2020, 01:58:34 PM MDT, Iain Morrison <w.iain.morrison@...> wrote:


I have multiple controllers and a computer, plus an iPhone and an iPad? doing changes to turnouts and they have never failed to see a change made by another one or got out of sync.

I suggest that this synchronisation issue might be a bit of a myth as it isn't something I have heard other people have issues with either.

Iain Morrison

07767456746

On 10/05/2020 20:49, Rick Norell via groups.io wrote:
Thank you Iain and Andrew for your helpful responses! My original concern was someone throwing a set of points by hand, likely a rare event but could happen with young children. You both brought up a greater concern, multiple operators throwing switches that may/may not show each tablet. Not a deal breaker but something needs to be considered during operation. I'll mostly be a lone operator so not a major concern. Thanks again!
On Sunday, May 10, 2020, 01:08:46 AM MDT, Iain Morrison <w.iain.morrison@...> wrote:


Rick

What do mean by manually? If you mean someone physically switching the turnout by pushing the blades into another position then that action will not be replayed in the Z21 app.

If you mean manually by using another throttle to switch them e.g. Multimaus then that change would be reflected if the app is active.

If the app isn’t active on the phone or tablet it doesn’t matter how you change the turnouts, the changes will not be shown in the app.

Get


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Rick Norell via groups.io <ricknorell@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 5:23:52 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [Digikeijs EN] 4018, Z21 app, and atlas turnout question
?
I am pleased to see that one can set up a digital control panel on the cell phone with the Z21, DR 4018, and atlas turnouts.? Do the Z21 and DR4018 indicate the correct turnout position if the turnout is operated manually rather than with the app + 4018?? I would expect to do turnout control with the throttle but someone may move a turnout manually...


Re: 4018, Z21 app, and atlas turnout question

Rick Norell
 

Thank you Iain and Andrew for your helpful responses! My original concern was someone throwing a set of points by hand, likely a rare event but could happen with young children. You both brought up a greater concern, multiple operators throwing switches that may/may not show each tablet. Not a deal breaker but something needs to be considered during operation. I'll mostly be a lone operator so not a major concern. Thanks again!
On Sunday, May 10, 2020, 01:08:46 AM MDT, Iain Morrison <w.iain.morrison@...> wrote:


Rick

What do mean by manually? If you mean someone physically switching the turnout by pushing the blades into another position then that action will not be replayed in the Z21 app.

If you mean manually by using another throttle to switch them e.g. Multimaus then that change would be reflected if the app is active.

If the app isn’t active on the phone or tablet it doesn’t matter how you change the turnouts, the changes will not be shown in the app.

Get


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Rick Norell via groups.io <ricknorell@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 5:23:52 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [Digikeijs EN] 4018, Z21 app, and atlas turnout question
?
I am pleased to see that one can set up a digital control panel on the cell phone with the Z21, DR 4018, and atlas turnouts.? Do the Z21 and DR4018 indicate the correct turnout position if the turnout is operated manually rather than with the app + 4018?? I would expect to do turnout control with the throttle but someone may move a turnout manually...


Re: DR5033 track voltage

 

Have you disconnected the DR5033 output and checked if the Booster now operates correctly?

I remember a post somewhere that a person had a problem with a certain Power district module and it was in the settings between the two units.

I will check to see where this was posted and see if this is your issue also.

Dennis


Re: 4018, Z21 app, and atlas turnout question

 

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What you do need to careful of is having multiple tablets doing the points, as from experience I’ve found that if someone switches points on their tablet it will not show on yours that it’s been thrown, it’s caused a few derailments in the fiddle yard.

Andy


On 10 May 2020, at 08:08, Iain Morrison <w.iain.morrison@...> wrote:

?
Rick

What do mean by manually? If you mean someone physically switching the turnout by pushing the blades into another position then that action will not be replayed in the Z21 app.

If you mean manually by using another throttle to switch them e.g. Multimaus then that change would be reflected if the app is active.

If the app isn’t active on the phone or tablet it doesn’t matter how you change the turnouts, the changes will not be shown in the app.

Get

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Rick Norell via groups.io <ricknorell@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 5:23:52 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [Digikeijs EN] 4018, Z21 app, and atlas turnout question
?
I am pleased to see that one can set up a digital control panel on the cell phone with the Z21, DR 4018, and atlas turnouts.? Do the Z21 and DR4018 indicate the correct turnout position if the turnout is operated manually rather than with the app + 4018?? I would expect to do turnout control with the throttle but someone may move a turnout manually...


Re: 4018, Z21 app, and atlas turnout question

 

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Rick

What do mean by manually? If you mean someone physically switching the turnout by pushing the blades into another position then that action will not be replayed in the Z21 app.

If you mean manually by using another throttle to switch them e.g. Multimaus then that change would be reflected if the app is active.

If the app isn’t active on the phone or tablet it doesn’t matter how you change the turnouts, the changes will not be shown in the app.

Get


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Rick Norell via groups.io <ricknorell@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 5:23:52 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [Digikeijs EN] 4018, Z21 app, and atlas turnout question
?
I am pleased to see that one can set up a digital control panel on the cell phone with the Z21, DR 4018, and atlas turnouts.? Do the Z21 and DR4018 indicate the correct turnout position if the turnout is operated manually rather than with the app + 4018?? I would expect to do turnout control with the throttle but someone may move a turnout manually...


4018, Z21 app, and atlas turnout question

Rick Norell
 

I am pleased to see that one can set up a digital control panel on the cell phone with the Z21, DR 4018, and atlas turnouts.? Do the Z21 and DR4018 indicate the correct turnout position if the turnout is operated manually rather than with the app + 4018?? I would expect to do turnout control with the throttle but someone may move a turnout manually...


Re: DR5033 track voltage

 

Hi James,

I think I have found the problem.? It looks like a dead booster (5033) as there is now zero track voltage from the output.? The green power light on the booster illuminates/flashes when the power supply is connected.? The voltage at the power connection reads 18.6 volts.? The loconet link on Booster T seems to work as the booster switches off when the DR5000 red button is pressed.? However once the booster is switched on and and then off via the DR5000 command station the red short light on the DR5033 also flashes in sync with the green power light, not sure if this is normal but it stops flashing when DR5000 switches power on again to the track (but still no track output from the 5033).? The track output from the DR5000 reads 14.5 volts.? The power districts are double rail isolated and worked fine when I used to have a different manufacturers system connected.

I think I bought this unit from your good self and its less that 2 years old so still under guarantee,?I will check to find the order reference.? I checked the Digikeijs web site and I have opened a "ticket" but I have asked them if I can deal direct with you as you are nearer to me than they are.? Awaiting their response.? ?

Regards,

John

------ Original Message ------
From: "James" <James@...>
Sent: 05/05/2020 22:44:34
Subject: Re: [Digikeijs EN] DR5033 track voltage

Hello John

Make sure for power supply’s are set on the same voltage.

James

On Tue, 5 May 2020 at 22:21, j.pollard4 via <j.pollard4=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,??

I have just wired up a DR5033 and using the provided power supply set at 19 volts, the measured voltage at the track output terminals is only 10.4 volts.? Is this what is to be expected oe should I be getting the 14 volts track voltage as provided by the DR5000 ?

Regards,

John

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