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Re: Trinitite


 

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There is quite a big mass difference between a piece of DU and the little amount Pu decay in the Trinitite. There can also be a big difference in detector efficiencies.

Dud

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of GEOelectronics@...
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2020 4:55 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [XRF] Trinitite

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Of course I agree. But given the very accurate ICP-mass spectrometer analysis of this material made by national labs, not by a youtuber, what known isotopes would cause these particular 3 X-Ray combinations and obvious intensities? Don't forget to factor in half-life of precursor- I see two. Pu-2xx and Pa-234m (and a tiny fraction Pa-234).

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By the way with a different sensor, I'm struggling to find?185.71 from U-235. Even with the best grade of DU, you still see the residual 185 peak.

Geo

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From: "DFEMER" <dfemer@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2020 6:26:41 PM
Subject: Re: [XRF] Trinitite

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Suppose your Pu is Pu-243 you¡¯ll get an Am decay x-ray Pu-239 a U x-ray. If its Np-234 you get a U decay x-ray, if its Np-237 it¡¯s a Pa x-ray. For Pa-234 you get a U x-ray if its Pa231 you get an Ac decay x-ray etc.. Gamma rays are unique for ID, decay X-rays change with mass number.

Dud

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of GEOelectronics@...
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2020 2:42 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [XRF] Trinitite

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" A Pu decay U x-ray looks like a Pa U decay x-ray or any other U x-ray"

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I mentioned Pa-234m decay to U-234 before.?Pa-234m decay can be eliminated by the lack of other peaks at the appropriate places.

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?What are some other examples?

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Geo

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From: "DFEMER" <dfemer@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2020 4:09:31 PM
Subject: Re: [XRF] Trinitite

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That was not missed by them even though it¡¯s a wet chem. Pu extraction aliquot, but you cannot assign these x-rays to any particular source. So its labeled a U x-ray not Pu. ?A Pu decay U x-ray looks like a Pa U decay x-ray or any other U x-ray ¨C you can¡¯t say the source. A gamma ray will ID the source not the decay X-ray. You don¡¯t know, what you don¡¯t know, you know,.

Dud

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of GEOelectronics@...
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2020 12:44 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [XRF] Trinitite

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Now the only question is: all the precise gamma spectrum scans of trinitite show and list the 3 X-Rays at the bottom as Uranium L X-Rays. Did it simply not occur to anyone to question the SOURCE of those X-Rays?

Geo

Geo

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