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On Feb 12, 2022, at 2:50 AM, Brian Ellis via groups.io <bellis2uk@...> wrote:
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Re: X air Hanuman vortex generators
开云体育Contact Michael Coates Australia X-Air dealerMaybe he can help. Master Distributor Australia and New Zealand
Sent from an iPad On 12 Feb 2022, at 11:59, William Scully via groups.io <billscully_99@...> wrote:
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Re: New X-air H Hanuman owner
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On 12 Feb 2022, at 19:46, Marlin Jones <mljones@...> wrote:
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From: "Brian Ellis via groups.io" <bellis2uk@...>
Date: 2022-02-12 6:51 a.m. (GMT-04:00)
Subject: Re: [XAIR] X air Hanuman vortex generators
There was a company on the Isle of White U.K. made replacement fuselage covers that worked out lighter than the original and were more mould resistant.
Can’t recall the name
On 12 Feb 2022, at 09:23, Michael Coates <mcoates@...> wrote:
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I get my parts from the main xair dealer in Europe and they also have skins. www.randkar.fr ----- Upprunalegt skeyti ----- Frá: William Scully via groups.io <billscully_99@...> Til: [email protected] Sent: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 00:59:19 -0000 (GMT) Efni: Re: [XAIR] X air Hanuman vortex generators Does anyone know if x-air factory is open or closed ? I’ve been waiting 2 yrs for wing covers - now can’t get hold of anyone from the company about my 50% deposit for my parts Has anyone been in-contact ? Thanks v much. Bill Scully Redondo Beach Ca. On Feb 11, 2022, at 3:12 PM, Justin Gregoris <jgregoris789@...> wrote: |
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Re: New X-air H Hanuman owner
开云体育Using a Newton propeller 60 x 38 on our UK reg Hawk. Works well with 3200 rpm max in straight level flight.Have an issue with a progressive roll to the left with ailerons, flaps and control stick set to build specs. Adjusting rudder trim has no discernible effect. Going to try the aileron differential remedy commencing with 1 degree difference. Anyone else
tried this and to what effect. Thanks? On 10 Feb 2022, at 01:32, Clive Cunningham <kmmotor@...> wrote:
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Re: X air Hanuman vortex generators
开云体育There was a company on the Isle of White U.K. made replacement fuselage covers that worked out lighter than the original and were more mould resistant.Can’t recall the name On 12 Feb 2022, at 09:23, Michael Coates <mcoates@...> wrote:
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开云体育Its open, just slow with continual covid closuresWilliam Scully via groups.io wrote on
12/02/2022 10:59 am:
Does anyone know if x-air factory is open or closed ? -- With regards, Michael Coates AU +61 7 5522 0583 USA +1 213 984 1237 PIPISTREL AIRCRAFT DEALER OF THE YEAR 2012 Winner of the EAA August Raspet Award 2012 PIPISTREL AIRCRAFT DEALER OF THE YEAR 2017 mailto:mcoates@... skype name: xcomavionics Please note: because of the volume of e-mail we are now receiving our replies are done using voice recognition software in an effort to speed up the reply process. Sometimes the voice recognition program inserts silly words or doesn't actually do what it is meant to do. Occasionally these mistakes get through our quick proofreading of each e-mail sent, so please accept my apologies if the odd mistake gets through. Legal Notice: The information contained in this email is confidential and intended only to be read by the person(s) to whom it is addressed. No one is authorized to copy, use, disclose, distribute or rely on this information for any purpose whatsoever. If this communication has been sent to you in error, please email the sender and delete the message. "Amateurs practice till they get it right; Professionals practice till they can’t get it wrong." |
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Re: X air Hanuman vortex generators
开云体育Hi Bill,
I have tried multiple times myself to contact them as well.
I feel like 'we' (this x air community) are on our own with the X-Air. We help out each other when we can.
Sorry about your deposit.
Good news is - a Canadian company in Quebec makes X Air coverings:
.com?
Gary is the owner. He is A-1 with customer service.?
Hope that helps,
Justin
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of William Scully via groups.io <billscully_99@...>
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2022, 19:59 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [XAIR] X air Hanuman vortex generators Does anyone know if x-air factory is open or closed ? I’ve been waiting 2 yrs for wing covers ?- now can’t get hold of anyone from the company about my 50% deposit for my parts ?Has anyone been in-contact ?
Thanks v much.?
Bill Scully Redondo Beach Ca.?
On Feb 11, 2022, at 3:12 PM, Justin Gregoris <jgregoris789@...> wrote:
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Re: X air Hanuman vortex generators
开云体育Does anyone know if x-air factory is open or closed ?I’ve been waiting 2 yrs for wing covers ?- now can’t get hold of anyone from the company about my 50% deposit for my parts ?Has anyone been in-contact ? Thanks v much.? Bill Scully Redondo Beach Ca.? On Feb 11, 2022, at 3:12 PM, Justin Gregoris <jgregoris789@...> wrote:
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Re: X air Hanuman vortex generators
开云体育Yes sir - will do!From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Hank Optland <scorchedenvelope@...>
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2022 6:08:51 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [XAIR] X air Hanuman vortex generators ?
I hope it works out well for you Justin.?
?Keep us up to date with the progress!
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Richard Stubbs <richardstubbs@...>
Sent: 12 February 2022 01:59 To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [XAIR] X air Hanuman vortex generators ?
Quite a lot of effort in my view - not to mention a thumb suck as where best and how far apart to place them given the marginal improvement on an already slow fabric covered aircraft. Of course those that have them swear by the STOL performance gain, which is human nature after all once you’ve paid your monies and spent the time – not so! ?? ?
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On Behalf Of Justin Gregoris ? Thanks for the prompt replies! ? I decided I am going ahead with it. ? I spoke to 4 others with these VGs on various fabric planes and they all wished they would have installed them years ago. ? If they don't work worst case, I'll take them off and return the product, but I don't see why they wouldn't work, especially underneath the horizontal stabilizer. ? ? ?
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of kymidnight@... <kymidnight@...> ? That was my gut feeling on it as well. On an aluminum or traditional dope and paint I could see it working, but the mylar/dacron has too much flutter and flexibility. I guess if someone was willing to risk damaging things by using two part epoxy or a mechanical fastener, maybe? Doesn't seem worth the risk in an attempt to reduce the stall speed of an already very low stalling aircraft though. Tom ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Richard Stubbs <richardstubbs@...>
Sent: 12 February 2022 01:59 To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [XAIR] X air Hanuman vortex generators ?
Quite a lot of effort in my view - not to mention a thumb suck as where best and how far apart to place them given the marginal improvement on an already slow fabric covered aircraft. Of course those that have them swear by the STOL performance gain, which is human nature after all once you’ve paid your monies and spent the time – not so! ?? ?
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Justin Gregoris ? Thanks for the prompt replies! ? I decided I am going ahead with it. ? I spoke to 4 others with these VGs on various fabric planes and they all wished they would have installed them years ago. ? If they don't work worst case, I'll take them off and return the product, but I don't see why they wouldn't work, especially underneath the horizontal stabilizer. ? ? ?
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of kymidnight@... <kymidnight@...> ? That was my gut feeling on it as well. On an aluminum or traditional dope and paint I could see it working, but the mylar/dacron has too much flutter and flexibility. I guess if someone was willing to risk damaging things by using two part epoxy or a mechanical fastener, maybe? Doesn't seem worth the risk in an attempt to reduce the stall speed of an already very low stalling aircraft though. Tom ?
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开云体育Quite a lot of effort in my view - not to mention a thumb suck as where best and how far apart to place them given the marginal improvement on an already slow fabric covered aircraft. Of course those that have them swear by the STOL performance gain, which is human nature after all once you’ve paid your monies and spent the time – not so! ?? ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Justin Gregoris
Sent: Friday, 11 February 2022 14:00 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [XAIR] X air Hanuman vortex generators ? Thanks for the prompt replies! ? I decided I am going ahead with it. ? I spoke to 4 others with these VGs on various fabric planes and they all wished they would have installed them years ago. ? If they don't work worst case, I'll take them off and return the product, but I don't see why they wouldn't work, especially underneath the horizontal stabilizer. ? ? ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of kymidnight@... <kymidnight@...> ? That was my gut feeling on it as well. On an aluminum or traditional dope and paint I could see it working, but the mylar/dacron has too much flutter and flexibility. I guess if someone was willing to risk damaging things by using two part epoxy or a mechanical fastener, maybe? Doesn't seem worth the risk in an attempt to reduce the stall speed of an already very low stalling aircraft though. Tom ? |
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开云体育Thanks for the prompt replies!
I decided I am going ahead with it.
I spoke to 4 others with these VGs on various fabric planes and they all wished they would have installed them years ago.
If they don't work worst case, I'll take them off and return the product, but I don't see why they wouldn't work, especially underneath the horizontal stabilizer.
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of kymidnight@... <kymidnight@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 8:31:50 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [XAIR] X air Hanuman vortex generators ?
That was my gut feeling on it as well. On an aluminum or traditional dope and paint I could see it working, but the mylar/dacron has too much flutter and flexibility. I guess if someone was willing to risk damaging things by using two part epoxy or a mechanical fastener, maybe? Doesn't seem worth the risk in an attempt to reduce the stall speed of an already very low stalling aircraft though. Tom ? |
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That was my gut feeling on it as well. On an aluminum or traditional dope and paint I could see it working, but the mylar/dacron has too much flutter and flexibility. I guess if someone was willing to risk damaging things by using two part epoxy or a mechanical fastener, maybe? Doesn't seem worth the risk in an attempt to reduce the stall speed of an already very low stalling aircraft though. Tom ? |
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Re: X air Hanuman vortex generators
开云体育A few have tried with ZERO results....??? They dont stick and there is too much movement in the fabrickymidnight@... wrote on
11/02/2022 11:12 am:
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Re: X air Hanuman vortex generators
开云体育
Hi Justin,
There is some great info on VGs on this site: . The owner of the business is John Gilpin.
Kind regards,
Hank
Get From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Justin Gregoris <jgregoris789@...>
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2022 12:51:19 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [XAIR] X air Hanuman vortex generators ?
Hello all from Ontario Canada:
I am wondering if anyone has installed vortex generators on their X Air Hanuman/Hawk? I can install them myself, 10% of the length from the leading edge, (4 inches apart from one another) all across the top of the main wings and all underneath the horizontal stabilizer for about 240$ CDN. The vortex generators are about 1 inch long and about 5/8 inches high and about 3/8 inches wide, made out of clear plastic. All instructions are provided except what adhesive to use - any suggestions?? Some people inquire as to why an owner would install vortex generators on an aircraft that already has a low stall speed, but I guess my response would be making an effort to reduce stall even lower but more importantly to reduce total take off distance; even if it helps a mere 30 to 40 feet.? I'm not 100% going ahead with this project but I am quite confident I will notice a difference if I do. Any advice or suggestions is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Justin |
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X air Hanuman vortex generators
Hello all from Ontario Canada:
I am wondering if anyone has installed vortex generators on their X Air Hanuman/Hawk? I can install them myself, 10% of the length from the leading edge, (4 inches apart from one another) all across the top of the main wings and all underneath the horizontal stabilizer for about 240$ CDN. The vortex generators are about 1 inch long and about 5/8 inches high and about 3/8 inches wide, made out of clear plastic. All instructions are provided except what adhesive to use - any suggestions?? Some people inquire as to why an owner would install vortex generators on an aircraft that already has a low stall speed, but I guess my response would be making an effort to reduce stall even lower but more importantly to reduce total take off distance; even if it helps a mere 30 to 40 feet.? I'm not 100% going ahead with this project but I am quite confident I will notice a difference if I do. Any advice or suggestions is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Justin |