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Re: Left side throttle lever modification
开云体育Hi Bill.?Hapoy to stay in touch. ?I have over 500 hours on the XAir H so feel pretty comfortable with it. ? Wonderful plane to fly. ? Took it on some long trips (several hundred miles), ?took it up to 8000 ft asl for over water segments (Lake Erie, Georgian Bay) and out of province as well (to Quebec). ?Good with bigger loads and passengers, very docile stall, no bad habits. ? Fantastic visibility for photos, especially Go Pro. ? ?You can check out my You Tube site for some posted XAir flights. ? ?Search Geoff .G YouTube ....... Regards? Geoff Gartshore Zenith CH200 GCUD Waterloo, Ontario? On Oct 21, 2020, at 1:28 PM, William Scully via groups.io <billscully_99@...> wrote:
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Re: Left side throttle lever modification
开云体育Hi Geof , no U understand the problem perfectly & thank U v much. Stops R one of the suggested fixes obtained from this site. I wasn’t aware that factory stops were an option- I’m in touch with factory now - have a new set of sails & control surfaces on order- I will ask about the stops.?Thanks again for your response.? Sincerely ; ?Bill Scully.? Please keep in touch, as U R the only person I know with yrs of experience with X-air (H) ?? On Oct 20, 2020, at 4:19 PM, Geoffrey Gartshore <geoff.gartshore@...> wrote:
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Re: Left side throttle lever modification
开云体育William:I owned and flew an XAir H for 8 years. ? ?Mine came with throttle stops mounted on the left side and secured to the horizontal door frame (lower). ?See attached photos. ?You can see the pilot side throttle lever with the white plastic stops located fore and aft. ?They are quite simple and worked perfectly for the duration of aircraft ownership. ?The throttle cable can be fine-tuned to get the best idle setting when at the aft stop. ? I assumed this was the standard design for the XAir so puzzled that you don’t have it…? ? ?Could you not order the parts from XAir (unless it is no longer in business?). ? ? Anyway, I may be misunderstanding your need so if this is off the mark just ignore and my apologies.
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Re: Left side throttle lever modification
开云体育Thanks Seamus On Oct 16, 2020, at 3:57 PM, Bill <billscully_99@...> wrote:
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Re: Left side throttle lever modification
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Yes you should have forward and rear stops for the
throttle lever, we made them a mod on approval but later kits were fitted with
them as standard from the factory.
On some types we push the outer cable on others pull the
inner, both work but in different ways, the alternate to what you are doing now
may suit you better.
there are many arguments for both as michael said, cable
break and going full throttle seems to be a GA way of doing things for
microlights/ultralights it is more standard to go to idle.
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Re: Left side throttle lever modification
开云体育Thanks - I do Ck for slack in cable (definitely a no fly) but am looking for a more positive fix.?Carb placement makes it difficult to come up with an easy fix on Jab eng.? I’ll try contacting the factory- I’m sure It’s not the first time this question has come up. ? Appreciate the response ?Bill On Oct 16, 2020, at 3:43 PM, Michael Coates <mcoates@...> wrote:
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Re: Left side throttle lever modification
开云体育I thought the same thing but it might be that the springs on the carburettor are reversed because a lot of aircraft have their engine set up that if the throttle cable breaks the engine will go to full throttle. A few other aircraft have it set up that if the throttle cable breaks the engine goes to idle.There are fors and against in each side of the argument, personally I think I would prefer full throttle because it means you can just climb to get up enough altitude to be able to glide to a safe landing whereas at idle you may not be able to reach the nearest safe landing point. There are also other things you could do to try and reduce full throttle power like turning off one of the ignition circuits or even using the choke to try and limit the power output from the engine by making it run rich. As I said there are arguments for both sides of which way is correct Seamus O'Donnell wrote on 17/10/2020
5:36 am:
? -- With regards, Michael Coates AU +61 7 5522 0583 USA +1 213 984 1237 PIPISTREL AIRCRAFT DEALER OF THE YEAR 2012 Winner of the EAA August Raspet Award 2012 PIPISTREL AIRCRAFT DEALER OF THE YEAR 2017 mailto:mcoates@... skype name: xcomavionics Please note: because of the volume of e-mail we are now receiving our replies are done using voice recognition software in an effort to speed up the reply process. Sometimes the voice recognition program inserts silly words or doesn't actually do what it is meant to do. Occasionally these mistakes get through our quick proofreading of each e-mail sent, so please accept my apologies if the odd mistake gets through. Legal Notice: The information contained in this email is confidential and intended only to be read by the person(s) to whom it is addressed. No one is authorized to copy, use, disclose, distribute or rely on this information for any purpose whatsoever. If this communication has been sent to you in error, please email the sender and delete the message. "Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you long to return." |
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Re: Left side throttle lever modification
开云体育You need to mount a throttle stop which will stop the throttle going backwards. This can either be by bolting something to the floor or I have seen a cable like what is used in a bicycle brake cable being attached around the throttle limiting its backward movement but these are pretty crude methods. There are many other ways this can be done which are a bit more professionalWilliam Scully via groups.io wrote on
17/10/2020 5:09 am:
To all members : Does anyone have a solution to the low-mounted throttle position on the X-air Hawk. I have a problem with accidentally pushing the throttle lever rearward when entering the cockpit, enough to create “slack” in the cable & thereby allowing the carb to go “full power” Really wish I could eliminate this possibility. Possibly reverse the action of the throttle movement ? ALL possible solutions would be sincerely appreciated Thank You. Bill Scully -- With regards, Michael Coates AU +61 7 5522 0583 USA +1 213 984 1237 PIPISTREL AIRCRAFT DEALER OF THE YEAR 2012 Winner of the EAA August Raspet Award 2012 PIPISTREL AIRCRAFT DEALER OF THE YEAR 2017 mailto:mcoates@... skype name: xcomavionics Please note: because of the volume of e-mail we are now receiving our replies are done using voice recognition software in an effort to speed up the reply process. Sometimes the voice recognition program inserts silly words or doesn't actually do what it is meant to do. Occasionally these mistakes get through our quick proofreading of each e-mail sent, so please accept my apologies if the odd mistake gets through. Legal Notice: The information contained in this email is confidential and intended only to be read by the person(s) to whom it is addressed. No one is authorized to copy, use, disclose, distribute or rely on this information for any purpose whatsoever. If this communication has been sent to you in error, please email the sender and delete the message. "Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you long to return." |
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Re: Left side throttle lever modification
开云体育Simply as your pre flight check exercise the throttle and set to close. Then it’s in the correct position prior to starting, after checking / selecting throttle position of course.On 16 Oct 2020, at 20:36, Seamus O'Donnell <etronics@...> wrote:
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Re: Left side throttle lever modification
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how does the carb go to full power when you are pushing
the throttle lever rearward? you push forward on the throttle to go to full
power??????????
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Re: Left side throttle lever modification
To all members : Does anyone have a solution to the low-mounted throttle position on the X-air Hawk. I have a problem with accidentally pushing the throttle lever rearward when entering the cockpit, enough to create “slack” in the cable & thereby allowing the carb to go “full power” Really wish I could eliminate this possibility.
Possibly reverse the action of the throttle movement ? ALL possible solutions would be sincerely appreciated Thank You. Bill Scully |
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On Sep 17, 2020, at 6:06 PM, greg.harmer38@... wrote:
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Re: Left side throttle lever modification
开云体育Looks like a great idea !?? Thanks for sharing.greg.harmer38@... wrote on
17/09/2020 9:09 pm:
Hi all, I modified my left side throttle lever,? to allow for more leg room , works a treat ? -- With regards, Michael Coates AU +61 7 5522 0583 USA +1 213 984 1237 PIPISTREL AIRCRAFT DEALER OF THE YEAR 2012 Winner of the EAA August Raspet Award 2012 PIPISTREL AIRCRAFT DEALER OF THE YEAR 2017 mailto:mcoates@... skype name: xcomavionics Please note: because of the volume of e-mail we are now receiving our replies are done using voice recognition software in an effort to speed up the reply process. Sometimes the voice recognition program inserts silly words or doesn't actually do what it is meant to do. Occasionally these mistakes get through our quick proofreading of each e-mail sent, so please accept my apologies if the odd mistake gets through. Legal Notice: The information contained in this email is confidential and intended only to be read by the person(s) to whom it is addressed. No one is authorized to copy, use, disclose, distribute or rely on this information for any purpose whatsoever. If this communication has been sent to you in error, please email the sender and delete the message. "Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you long to return." |
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Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Nynuts?
开云体育Hello Rubin, there was no question in your email ??? the subject only had a hint of what you are asking so please try againrubin.malcolm via Groups.Io wrote on
16/12/2019 8:28 pm:
. -- With regards, Michael Coates AU +61 7 5522 0583 USA +1 213 984 1237 PIPISTREL AIRCRAFT DEALER OF THE YEAR 2012 Winner of the EAA August Raspet Award 2012 PIPISTREL AIRCRAFT DEALER OF THE YEAR 2017 mailto:mcoates@... skype name: xcomavionics Please note: because of the volume of e-mail we are now receiving our replies are done using voice recognition software in an effort to speed up the reply process. Sometimes the voice recognition program inserts silly words or doesn't actually do what it is meant to do. Occasionally these mistakes get through our quick proofreading of each e-mail sent, so please accept my apologies if the odd mistake gets through. Legal Notice: The information contained in this email is confidential and intended only to be read by the person(s) to whom it is addressed. No one is authorized to copy, use, disclose, distribute or rely on this information for any purpose whatsoever. If this communication has been sent to you in error, please email the sender and delete the message. "Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you long to return." |
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Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Re: removing the instrument panel
Thanks to all that replied.? Mainly, I wanted to make sure I could get the instrument panel out far enough to easily access the wiring from the back side rather than trying to do it upside down with my head where my feet should be.? If only I had eyes on my feet and could use my toes like fingers!.? Sounds like it is not too difficult to pull get the panel out far enough work on it. Thanks again. |
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Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Re: removing the instrument panel
Aziz Musa
开云体育Where can I get the plans for the nose cut off mods. Thanks.Aziz On Aug 4, 2019, at 3:53 AM, Huw lloyd-hughes huwlh999@... [X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] <X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft@...> wrote:
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Re: X-Air Standard Instrument Panel
Yes, I have. I no longer have an X'air but my memory of the process is that it is simple but a little more complex if you want to remove the panel entirely.? I have written the processes in slightly different sequences, depending on what you decide to do once you see behind the panel so read through before going to the aircraft. Firstly, as you are going to be looking at a rat's nest of electrical cables, disconnect the battery! The bottom centre of the panel is secured to the floor.? Remove the nuts, bolts or screws. Undo the screws around the top edge of the panel.? It will now be free to move.? To get it onto your lap (assuming you are in the seat), requires a bit of thought.? The panel won't come straight down due to the engine support tubes that pass through the windscreen so I used to move the bottom centre towards the rear of the aircraft and at the same time, rotating the panel to clear the engine support tube on one side.? Gently move the panel around until it is laying on your lap or knees.? Take photographs and lots of them!? Important:? Leave yourself a note where it can easily be seen to carry out pitot-static checks when you re-fit the panel in due course. To remove the panel entirely, disconnect the rudder control cables at the pedals and withdraw them from the slots in the lower part of the panel.? I have seen some panels cut into from the outside edges and the cables passed through the slots, but it weakens the structure and probably takes longer, so not really a Good Idea! Once you can see what you work you need to do, assess if the panel needs to be removed from the aircraft.? Disconnect the pitot and static hoses, there should be a large Molex connector to disconnect too.? Iif you have a fuel pressure gauge, disconnect that but have a large mouthed container and plenty of rags with you because there will be fuel in the line. My aircraft had no Molex connector when I had finished my re-wire because I didn't trust that it would not corrode in our temperate climate over time.? All of my wiring was direct, point to point, no breaks except at the Ducati ignition modules where I spliced the cables together. ? gives you some idea of what they look like.? Get a automotive electrician to advise on the correct one for the size of wire you have.? (Size of the conductor, not the insulation).? The videos here will give you lots of information.? Some terminations have to be soldered so learn how to do it before doing it for real on the aircraft. When your cable loom is made up on the panel and ready to reifit to the aircraft, lable each of the wires.? I recommend a Brother label printer and pass the label over the wire to fold it in half so that it sticks together forming a flag.? There are other methods but that's quite cheap and reliable. The wiring diagram is in the Build Manual and varies somewhat, depending on which engine is fitted.? ASSEMBLY MANUAL XAIR 2010, July,05 page 79 onwards is the latest version I still have. Putting the panel back into the aircraft is simply just the reverse of extraction.? Connect the cable loom then do electrical continuity checks, ensuring all is correct before connecting the battery. Once the battery is re-connected, carry out functional checks then go for an engine run once you are assured all is well. I hope that's useful. John B |
Geoffrey Gartshore
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