?
there have been a few different 912 mounts, randkar did
have one but we had to design our own to pass the UK load tests especially
torque requirements, I can let you have?the details I have?if you send
me an email to xairireland@...
Seamus
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 1:25 AM
Subject: Re: [XAIR] replacement
engine
Hi Seamus,
Do you have any drawings or sketches with some measurements for
the 912? My Xair (std) has been on a Jabiru since new. Managing the cht temps
was a full time job, I tried many different duct mods and did manage to get
below the 350°f but that was also using fuel cooling which carbons the engine
and reduces performance. I am at the stage of fitting a new engine and the new
Jabiru ones don't use the same mount, exhaust or prop flange also untested in
out of cowl fitment so could have same?problem as current. Like most of
the group there really isn't a good reliable engine like the 912 so that's
where I am headed, just need any info on mounting.
My Xair has a cog of 12 from memory (away from home so can't
look at my book to check) always flew very well tho fairly heavy on fuel
because of the rich mixture. Mount was supplied by Jabiru but they don't make
one for the new engines. I have been working with a LAME who thinks we can use
existing mount frame and weld on the 912 firewall mount, apparently Randkar
never made the mount although my assembly manual specifies one in the
drawings. So that's where we are at the moment so any info would help.
Thanks
On Fri, 29 Jul 2022, 6:48 pm Seamus O'Donnell,
< etronics@...> wrote:
your performance with the 912 is not that good, you
are flying at?a very high rpm,?the?one I built years ago
cruised at 4200 55kts never burned more than 12 litres and was also using
the DUC prop, have you tried changing pitch on prop
weight and CG is important and the?majority of
the UK xairs have a very forward CG, all xairs no matter which engine fitted
fly much better with an aft CG and especially the falcon which was never as
good as the standard xair
?Seamus
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2022 9:45
AM
Subject: Re: [XAIR] replacement
engine
I have an X-Air F? ( Falcon in the UK ) with Rotax
912 and it works very well.? Performance is no greater than a 2
stroke but much greater reliability. Theoretically it should use less fuel
but mine burns around 14 litres an hour. Previous owner said it burnt 12
litres an hour . The difference might be because I fitted heated carb
bodies when I bought it to prevent carb ice.
If attachments work
there is a photo of the engine installation attached.? The Engine
mount is special for the 912 and the forward engine struts are
shortened.
There are some weight concerns. Mine was the development
aircraft and has lightweight wheels, floor and originally had a smaller
single tank.
It now has double tanks ( 55 Litres )? and as I
fly alone a long range tank with another 20 litres, so now aircraft
endurance is far greater than pilot endurance !! - more than 5
hours.
In the UK there are a couple flying with the D-motor which
seems an interesting combination.? The only thing I don't like with
the 912 is flying with high revs ( cruise 4800-5000 rpm ) which makes for
a noisy cockpit although a recent Bose A20 has improved the situation. The
D-Motor , like the Jabiru flies with half the revs so would be more
comfortable but for me reliability is the No consideration.? I like
the D Motor but would want to wait a few years to see how the reliability
is before flying with one.
Regards,
Jonathan
On 29/07/2022 10:13, Michael Coates wrote:
Too heavy for the X-Air
Standard....??? They own the X-Air Airframe as their test
bed but cant use it because of the weight
etc....???? However it looks promising !
Clive Cunningham wrote on 29/07/2022 5:27 pm:
Keep
an eye on Radial Motion. 3 cyl air cooled radial engine being made in
Australia. Looks like a winner!
Clive Cunningham
K&M HD Motorcycles
U2 5-9 Kingston Ave?
Richmond?
South Australia 5033??
Ph +61 8? 8234 1090?
kmmotor@...
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Hi Seamus,
Do you have any drawings or sketches with some measurements for the 912? My Xair (std) has been on a Jabiru since new. Managing the cht temps was a full time job, I tried many different duct mods and did manage to get below the 350°f but that was also using fuel cooling which carbons the engine and reduces performance. I am at the stage of fitting a new engine and the new Jabiru ones don't use the same mount, exhaust or prop flange also untested in out of cowl fitment so could have same?problem as current. Like most of the group there really isn't a good reliable engine like the 912 so that's where I am headed, just need any info on mounting.
My Xair has a cog of 12 from memory (away from home so can't look at my book to check) always flew very well tho fairly heavy on fuel because of the rich mixture. Mount was supplied by Jabiru but they don't make one for the new engines. I have been working with a LAME who thinks we can use existing mount frame and weld on the 912 firewall mount, apparently Randkar never made the mount although my assembly manual specifies one in the drawings. So that's where we are at the moment so any info would help.
Thanks
On Fri, 29 Jul 2022, 6:48 pm Seamus O'Donnell, < etronics@...> wrote:
your performance with the 912 is not that good, you are
flying at?a very high rpm,?the?one I built years ago cruised at
4200 55kts never burned more than 12 litres and was also using the DUC prop,
have you tried changing pitch on prop
weight and CG is important and the?majority of the UK
xairs have a very forward CG, all xairs no matter which engine fitted fly much
better with an aft CG and especially the falcon which was never as good as the
standard xair
?Seamus
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2022 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [XAIR] replacement
engine
I have an X-Air F? ( Falcon in the UK ) with Rotax 912
and it works very well.? Performance is no greater than a 2 stroke but
much greater reliability. Theoretically it should use less fuel but mine burns
around 14 litres an hour. Previous owner said it burnt 12 litres an hour . The
difference might be because I fitted heated carb bodies when I bought it to
prevent carb ice.
If attachments work there is a photo of the engine
installation attached.? The Engine mount is special for the 912 and the
forward engine struts are shortened.
There are some weight concerns.
Mine was the development aircraft and has lightweight wheels, floor and
originally had a smaller single tank.
It now has double tanks ( 55
Litres )? and as I fly alone a long range tank with another 20 litres, so
now aircraft endurance is far greater than pilot endurance !! - more than 5
hours.
In the UK there are a couple flying with the D-motor which seems
an interesting combination.? The only thing I don't like with the 912 is
flying with high revs ( cruise 4800-5000 rpm ) which makes for a noisy cockpit
although a recent Bose A20 has improved the situation. The D-Motor , like the
Jabiru flies with half the revs so would be more comfortable but for me
reliability is the No consideration.? I like the D Motor but would want
to wait a few years to see how the reliability is before flying with one.
Regards,
Jonathan
On 29/07/2022 10:13, Michael Coates
wrote:
Too heavy for the X-Air Standard....??? They own
the X-Air Airframe as their test bed but cant use it because of the weight
etc....???? However it looks promising !
Clive Cunningham wrote on 29/07/2022 5:27
pm:
Keep an eye on Radial Motion. 3 cyl air cooled radial
engine being made in Australia. Looks like a winner!
Clive Cunningham
K&M HD Motorcycles
U2 5-9 Kingston Ave?
Richmond?
South Australia 5033??
Ph +61 8? 8234 1090?
kmmotor@...
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Re: Re?: Re: [XAIR] Hanuman bungee
Hello Hank, basically the tooling has been worn out. It was a same
with the 503. The cost of retooling was many millions of dollars and
much more than the company could recover in years and years of sales
so it just comes to a stage where it is unviable to continue.
Added to this probably 99 out of 100 engines that they sell at the
moment are going to be the larger 4 stroke engines to suit the
bigger aircraft we are now flying so I guess the market is just not
there anymore.
It's not so much about the plans for the engine but it is the choice
of materials that go into the production of the metal components.
Knowing exactly what goes into what part and where it can be sourced
from is probably the biggest difficulty for the company wanting to
take over production of the two-stroke engines. I wish it was really
easy but it isn't
Hank Optland wrote on 30/07/2022 11:42
am:
It would be really nice if Rotax sold (or gave away) their plans
to a manufacturer who was prepared to re-start production of 582
or 618 motors.
Get
Hello Justin, the problem is when we are talking about all of
these engines they are simply too heavy for the standard X-Air
aircraft. You are limited in weight to the equivalent of the
Rotax 618/582 series.
Any more weight than this requires setting the engine on the
leading edge of the wing, adding weight into the rear of the
aircraft and all other things which change the characteristics
of a fantastic flying aeroplane (X-Air standard)
The ending of production of all of the Rotax two-stroke engines
is a real issue for light aircraft manufacturers like X-Air
unfortunately Because we lose a semi affordable but ultimately
very reliable and suitable propulsion system.
Justin Gregoris wrote on
30/07/2022 12:41 am:
check out this new engine, like a rotax - ulpower.com. very
interesting. UL260i.
Hello Group,?
on the?issue of a suitable alternative to the Rotax
582?for the X-air, has anyone considered the MZ202 by
Compact Radial Engines (now Fiate)? It is advertised as a
63 go?bolt on replacement for the R582…..
?
Thank you for your comments
Tom Dudet
Le vendredi, juillet 29, 2022, 6:30 AM, Michael Coates
<mcoates@...> a écrit?:
Hello Hank, that is the million-dollar
question.....??? There are really no viable
alternates....?? A lot of people mention the Hirth
but in reality they just don't have the reliability
and service record of the Rotax 582. The Jabiru 2.2
doesn't perform all that well on the original X-Air
airframe which was always designed for the 582.
I guess we will just have to look for electric !
Hank
Optland wrote on 29/07/2022 2:10 pm:
★ What will replace the two-stroke Rotax motors
(no longer made) in the X-Airs?
Get
They could have always done things differently
in my opinion. The problem was the market also
changed and tube and fabric aircraft were no
longer The only option available to recreational
flyers when composite aircraft started getting
around. Added to this is now There are no longer
Rotax two-stroke engines available and that makes
it much harder to sell the standard models.....
Justin
Gregoris wrote on 29/07/2022 10:11 am:
I wonder if the marketing ads and campaigns
were better with the X Air - they may have
sold a lot more aircraft.
I've taken
about 4 very experienced pilots wirh total
flighr hours ranging from 1800-28,000hrs and
all have said the same thing: the X Air comes
across as a brittle 'paper airplane' but after
flying it, is surprised with overall stability
and engineering while keeping it in value
packed design.
Hello Justin, yes I have also been sent
photographs of the progress from the first day
and he is doing a fantastic job. I have been
holding off in posting the pictures in dribs
and drabs and rather waiting until he has
completely finished and then do a mass upload
but you are more than welcome to send through
anything that he has already sent you. It is
really good to see the resources of X-Air
owners and how they can approach things from a
different perspective and make really
significant improvements
Justin
Gregoris wrote on 29/07/2022 10:02 am:
Totally off topic, but If I'm allowed -
I'll send everyone a bunch of pictures of
this gentlemen's (Brent) Hanuman.
He
purchased a 2009 X Air.
Completely
stripped the plane - literally dismantled
98% of it. New covering, new Jabiru motor.
New everything. New, modified landing
gear, big tundra-like STOL tires. 3 bladed
prop, list goes on. Then he also got a
custom door builder to increase cabin
width to 49 inches by installing bubble
doors without any cross members. Looks
high-end.
This
airplane is by far the nicest looking X
Air I have ever seen. Probably all input
around 55,000$ CDN but I'm blown away how
nice it is. Located in New Brunswick
Canada.
I replaced mine with two 9044 bungees
per side. One each was a bit soft, two
worked just fine.
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Re: Re?: Re: [XAIR] Hanuman bungee
It would be really nice if Rotax sold (or gave away) their plans to a manufacturer who was prepared to re-start production of 582 or 618 motors.
Get
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Show quoted text
Hello Justin, the problem is when we are talking about all of these engines they are simply too heavy for the standard X-Air aircraft. You are limited in weight to the equivalent of the Rotax 618/582 series.
Any more weight than this requires setting the engine on the leading edge of the wing, adding weight into the rear of the aircraft and all other things which change the characteristics of a fantastic flying aeroplane (X-Air standard)
The ending of production of all of the Rotax two-stroke engines is a real issue for light aircraft manufacturers like X-Air unfortunately Because we lose a semi affordable but ultimately very reliable and suitable propulsion system.
Justin Gregoris wrote on 30/07/2022 12:41 am:
check out this new engine, like a rotax - ulpower.com. very interesting. UL260i.
Hello Group,?
on the?issue of a suitable alternative to the Rotax 582?for the X-air, has anyone considered the MZ202 by Compact Radial Engines (now Fiate)? It is advertised as a 63 go?bolt on replacement for the R582…..
?
Thank you for your comments
Tom Dudet
Le vendredi, juillet 29, 2022, 6:30 AM, Michael Coates
<mcoates@...> a écrit?:
Hello Hank, that is the million-dollar question.....??? There are really no viable alternates....?? A lot of people mention the Hirth but in reality they just don't have the reliability and service record of the Rotax 582. The Jabiru 2.2 doesn't perform
all that well on the original X-Air airframe which was always designed for the 582.
I guess we will just have to look for electric !
Hank Optland wrote on 29/07/2022 2:10 pm:
★ What will replace the two-stroke Rotax motors (no longer made) in the X-Airs?
Get
They could have always done things differently in my opinion. The problem was the market also changed and tube and fabric aircraft were no longer The only option available to recreational flyers when composite aircraft started getting around. Added to
this is now There are no longer Rotax two-stroke engines available and that makes it much harder to sell the standard models.....
Justin Gregoris wrote on 29/07/2022 10:11 am:
I wonder if the marketing ads and campaigns were better with the X Air - they may have sold a lot more aircraft.
I've taken about 4 very experienced pilots wirh total flighr hours ranging from 1800-28,000hrs and all have said the same thing: the X Air comes across as a brittle 'paper airplane' but after
flying it, is surprised with overall stability and engineering while keeping it in value packed design.
Hello Justin, yes I have also been sent photographs of the progress from the first day and he is doing a fantastic job. I have been holding off in posting the pictures in dribs and drabs and rather waiting until he has completely finished and then do a
mass upload but you are more than welcome to send through anything that he has already sent you. It is really good to see the resources of X-Air owners and how they can approach things from a different perspective and make really significant improvements
Justin Gregoris wrote on 29/07/2022 10:02 am:
Totally off topic, but If I'm allowed - I'll send everyone a bunch of pictures of this gentlemen's (Brent) Hanuman.
He purchased a 2009 X Air.
Completely stripped the plane - literally dismantled 98% of it. New covering, new Jabiru motor. New everything. New, modified landing gear, big tundra-like STOL tires. 3 bladed prop, list goes
on. Then he also got a custom door builder to increase cabin width to 49 inches by installing bubble doors without any cross members. Looks high-end.
This airplane is by far the nicest looking X Air I have ever seen. Probably all input around 55,000$ CDN but I'm blown away how nice it is. Located in New Brunswick Canada.
I replaced mine with two 9044 bungees per side. One each was a bit soft, two worked just fine.
--
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Re: Re?: Re: [XAIR] Hanuman bungee
Hello Justin, the problem is when we are talking about all of these
engines they are simply too heavy for the standard X-Air aircraft.
You are limited in weight to the equivalent of the Rotax 618/582
series.
Any more weight than this requires setting the engine on the leading
edge of the wing, adding weight into the rear of the aircraft and
all other things which change the characteristics of a fantastic
flying aeroplane (X-Air standard)
The ending of production of all of the Rotax two-stroke engines is a
real issue for light aircraft manufacturers like X-Air unfortunately
Because we lose a semi affordable but ultimately very reliable and
suitable propulsion system.
Justin Gregoris wrote on 30/07/2022
12:41 am:
check out this new engine, like a rotax - ulpower.com. very
interesting. UL260i.
Hello Group,?
on the?issue of a suitable alternative to the Rotax 582?for
the X-air, has anyone considered the MZ202 by Compact Radial
Engines (now Fiate)? It is advertised as a 63 go?bolt on
replacement for the R582…..
?
Thank you for your comments
Tom Dudet
Le vendredi, juillet 29, 2022, 6:30 AM, Michael Coates
<mcoates@...> a écrit?:
Hello Hank, that is the million-dollar
question.....??? There are really no viable
alternates....?? A lot of people mention the Hirth but
in reality they just don't have the reliability and
service record of the Rotax 582. The Jabiru 2.2 doesn't
perform all that well on the original X-Air airframe
which was always designed for the 582.
I guess we will just have to look for electric !
Hank Optland
wrote on 29/07/2022 2:10 pm:
★ What will replace the two-stroke Rotax motors (no
longer made) in the X-Airs?
Get
They could have always done things differently in
my opinion. The problem was the market also changed
and tube and fabric aircraft were no longer The only
option available to recreational flyers when composite
aircraft started getting around. Added to this is now
There are no longer Rotax two-stroke engines available
and that makes it much harder to sell the standard
models.....
Justin
Gregoris wrote on 29/07/2022 10:11 am:
I wonder if the marketing ads and campaigns
were better with the X Air - they may have sold a
lot more aircraft.
I've taken
about 4 very experienced pilots wirh total flighr
hours ranging from 1800-28,000hrs and all have
said the same thing: the X Air comes across as a
brittle 'paper airplane' but after flying it, is
surprised with overall stability and engineering
while keeping it in value packed design.
Hello Justin, yes I have also been sent
photographs of the progress from the first day and
he is doing a fantastic job. I have been holding
off in posting the pictures in dribs and drabs and
rather waiting until he has completely finished
and then do a mass upload but you are more than
welcome to send through anything that he has
already sent you. It is really good to see the
resources of X-Air owners and how they can
approach things from a different perspective and
make really significant improvements
Justin
Gregoris wrote on 29/07/2022 10:02 am:
Totally off topic, but If I'm allowed -
I'll send everyone a bunch of pictures of this
gentlemen's (Brent) Hanuman.
He
purchased a 2009 X Air.
Completely
stripped the plane - literally dismantled 98%
of it. New covering, new Jabiru motor. New
everything. New, modified landing gear, big
tundra-like STOL tires. 3 bladed prop, list
goes on. Then he also got a custom door
builder to increase cabin width to 49 inches
by installing bubble doors without any cross
members. Looks high-end.
This
airplane is by far the nicest looking X Air I
have ever seen. Probably all input around
55,000$ CDN but I'm blown away how nice it is.
Located in New Brunswick Canada.
I replaced mine with two 9044 bungees per
side. One each was a bit soft, two worked just
fine.
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it is going to help but not of the airframe design is limited to a
lower number. For example if the aircraft was originally rated at
450 kg maximum takeoff weight then having a 600 kg limit is not
going to help that particular aircraft because it is not going to be
able to be flown at anything more than the design certification.
Brian Ellis via groups.io wrote on
29/07/2022 10:28 pm:
The lift to up to 600kg may solve the weight issue?
?
Might be interesting to find out just how many D Motors (4
cylinder) are currently flying in the uk?
?
your performance with the 912 is
not that good, you are flying at?a very high
rpm,?the?one I built years ago cruised at 4200 55kts
never burned more than 12 litres and was also using
the DUC prop, have you tried changing pitch on prop
weight and CG is important and
the?majority of the UK xairs have a very forward CG,
all xairs no matter which engine fitted fly much
better with an aft CG and especially the falcon which
was never as good as the standard xair
?Seamus
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Sent: Friday, July
29, 2022 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [XAIR]
replacement engine
I have an X-Air F? ( Falcon in the UK ) with Rotax 912
and it works very well.? Performance is no greater than
a 2 stroke but much greater reliability. Theoretically
it should use less fuel but mine burns around 14 litres
an hour. Previous owner said it burnt 12 litres an hour
. The difference might be because I fitted heated carb
bodies when I bought it to prevent carb ice.
If attachments work there is a photo of the engine
installation attached.? The Engine mount is special for
the 912 and the forward engine struts are shortened.
There are some weight concerns. Mine was the development
aircraft and has lightweight wheels, floor and
originally had a smaller single tank.
It now has double tanks ( 55 Litres )? and as I fly
alone a long range tank with another 20 litres, so now
aircraft endurance is far greater than pilot endurance
!! - more than 5 hours.
In the UK there are a couple flying with the D-motor
which seems an interesting combination.? The only thing
I don't like with the 912 is flying with high revs (
cruise 4800-5000 rpm ) which makes for a noisy cockpit
although a recent Bose A20 has improved the situation.
The D-Motor , like the Jabiru flies with half the revs
so would be more comfortable but for me reliability is
the No consideration.? I like the D Motor but would want
to wait a few years to see how the reliability is before
flying with one.
Regards,
Jonathan
On 29/07/2022 10:13,
Michael Coates wrote:
Too heavy for the X-Air Standard....???
They own the X-Air Airframe as their test bed but cant
use it because of the weight etc....???? However it
looks promising !
Clive Cunningham wrote on
29/07/2022 5:27 pm:
Keep an eye on Radial
Motion. 3 cyl air cooled radial engine being made
in Australia. Looks like a winner!
Clive Cunningham
K&M HD
Motorcycles
U2 5-9 Kingston
Ave?
Richmond?
South Australia
5033??
Ph +61 8? 8234
1090?
kmmotor@...
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Ulpower.com
Look a like Rotax motors?
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What about a Viking 90?
On Jul 29, 2022, at 4:11 AM, Hank Optland <scorchedenvelope@...> wrote:
?
I wonder if a 90 hp "Viking 90" motor (stated weight 72 kg) or an 85 hp "Aeromomentum AM10" (63 kg) could be considered?
Get
I have an X-Air F? ( Falcon in the UK ) with Rotax 912 and it works very well.? Performance is no greater than a 2 stroke but much greater reliability. Theoretically it should use less fuel but mine burns around 14 litres an hour. Previous owner said it burnt
12 litres an hour . The difference might be because I fitted heated carb bodies when I bought it to prevent carb ice.
If attachments work there is a photo of the engine installation attached.? The Engine mount is special for the 912 and the forward engine struts are shortened.
There are some weight concerns. Mine was the development aircraft and has lightweight wheels, floor and originally had a smaller single tank.
It now has double tanks ( 55 Litres )? and as I fly alone a long range tank with another 20 litres, so now aircraft endurance is far greater than pilot endurance !! - more than 5 hours.
In the UK there are a couple flying with the D-motor which seems an interesting combination.? The only thing I don't like with the 912 is flying with high revs ( cruise 4800-5000 rpm ) which makes for a noisy cockpit although a recent Bose A20 has improved
the situation. The D-Motor , like the Jabiru flies with half the revs so would be more comfortable but for me reliability is the No consideration.? I like the D Motor but would want to wait a few years to see how the reliability is before flying with one.
Regards,
Jonathan
On 29/07/2022 10:13, Michael Coates wrote:
Too heavy for the X-Air Standard....??? They own the X-Air Airframe as their test bed but cant use it because of the weight etc....???? However it looks promising !
Clive Cunningham wrote on 29/07/2022 5:27 pm:
Keep an eye on Radial Motion. 3 cyl air cooled radial engine being made in Australia. Looks like a winner!
Clive Cunningham
K&M HD Motorcycles
U2 5-9 Kingston Ave?
Richmond?
South Australia 5033??
Ph +61 8? 8234 1090?
kmmotor@...
kmmotorcycles.com.au
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Re: Re?: Re: [XAIR] Hanuman bungee
check out this new engine, like a rotax - ulpower.com. very interesting. UL260i.
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Hello Group,?
on the?issue of a suitable alternative to the Rotax 582?for the X-air, has anyone considered the MZ202 by Compact Radial Engines (now Fiate)? It is advertised as a 63 go?bolt on replacement for the R582…..
?
Thank you for your comments
Tom Dudet
Le vendredi, juillet 29, 2022, 6:30 AM, Michael Coates <mcoates@...> a écrit?:
Hello Hank, that is the million-dollar question.....??? There are really no viable alternates....?? A lot of people mention the Hirth but in reality they just don't have the reliability and service record of the Rotax 582. The Jabiru 2.2 doesn't perform
all that well on the original X-Air airframe which was always designed for the 582.
I guess we will just have to look for electric !
Hank Optland wrote on 29/07/2022 2:10 pm:
★ What will replace the two-stroke Rotax motors (no longer made) in the X-Airs?
Get
They could have always done things differently in my opinion. The problem was the market also changed and tube and fabric aircraft were no longer The only option available to recreational flyers when composite aircraft started getting around. Added to
this is now There are no longer Rotax two-stroke engines available and that makes it much harder to sell the standard models.....
Justin Gregoris wrote on 29/07/2022 10:11 am:
I wonder if the marketing ads and campaigns were better with the X Air - they may have sold a lot more aircraft.
I've taken about 4 very experienced pilots wirh total flighr hours ranging from 1800-28,000hrs and all have said the same thing: the X Air comes across as a brittle 'paper airplane' but after
flying it, is surprised with overall stability and engineering while keeping it in value packed design.
Hello Justin, yes I have also been sent photographs of the progress from the first day and he is doing a fantastic job. I have been holding off in posting the pictures in dribs and drabs and rather waiting until he has completely finished and then do a
mass upload but you are more than welcome to send through anything that he has already sent you. It is really good to see the resources of X-Air owners and how they can approach things from a different perspective and make really significant improvements
Justin Gregoris wrote on 29/07/2022 10:02 am:
Totally off topic, but If I'm allowed - I'll send everyone a bunch of pictures of this gentlemen's (Brent) Hanuman.
He purchased a 2009 X Air.
Completely stripped the plane - literally dismantled 98% of it. New covering, new Jabiru motor. New everything. New, modified landing gear, big tundra-like STOL tires. 3 bladed prop, list goes
on. Then he also got a custom door builder to increase cabin width to 49 inches by installing bubble doors without any cross members. Looks high-end.
This airplane is by far the nicest looking X Air I have ever seen. Probably all input around 55,000$ CDN but I'm blown away how nice it is. Located in New Brunswick Canada.
I replaced mine with two 9044 bungees per side. One each was a bit soft, two worked just fine.
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On Jul 29, 2022, at 4:11 AM, Hank Optland <scorchedenvelope@...> wrote:
?
I wonder if a 90 hp "Viking 90" motor (stated weight 72 kg) or an 85 hp "Aeromomentum AM10" (63 kg) could be considered?
Get
I have an X-Air F? ( Falcon in the UK ) with Rotax 912 and it works very well.? Performance is no greater than a 2 stroke but much greater reliability. Theoretically it should use less fuel but mine burns around 14 litres an hour. Previous owner said it burnt
12 litres an hour . The difference might be because I fitted heated carb bodies when I bought it to prevent carb ice.
If attachments work there is a photo of the engine installation attached.? The Engine mount is special for the 912 and the forward engine struts are shortened.
There are some weight concerns. Mine was the development aircraft and has lightweight wheels, floor and originally had a smaller single tank.
It now has double tanks ( 55 Litres )? and as I fly alone a long range tank with another 20 litres, so now aircraft endurance is far greater than pilot endurance !! - more than 5 hours.
In the UK there are a couple flying with the D-motor which seems an interesting combination.? The only thing I don't like with the 912 is flying with high revs ( cruise 4800-5000 rpm ) which makes for a noisy cockpit although a recent Bose A20 has improved
the situation. The D-Motor , like the Jabiru flies with half the revs so would be more comfortable but for me reliability is the No consideration.? I like the D Motor but would want to wait a few years to see how the reliability is before flying with one.
Regards,
Jonathan
On 29/07/2022 10:13, Michael Coates wrote:
Too heavy for the X-Air Standard....??? They own the X-Air Airframe as their test bed but cant use it because of the weight etc....???? However it looks promising !
Clive Cunningham wrote on 29/07/2022 5:27 pm:
Keep an eye on Radial Motion. 3 cyl air cooled radial engine being made in Australia. Looks like a winner!
Clive Cunningham
K&M HD Motorcycles
U2 5-9 Kingston Ave?
Richmond?
South Australia 5033??
Ph +61 8? 8234 1090?
kmmotor@...
kmmotorcycles.com.au
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I think that Aeromomentum engine looks like a fine option. It’s a little heavier than the Rotax 912 I believe but could still work. The thing about the X-Air standard (much preferred over the X-Air F in my view) is that it’s designed to fly relatively slowly so adding bags of power might make it more economical but not necessarily any quicker. For this reason a reliable and less expensive 4 stroke option to the Rotax 582 only is surely worth considering. As Michael Coates once stated, the absolutely best fit for the standard X-Air is the 75Hp Rotax 618. Although not produced any more - you can still find newly rebuilt 618 motors on Barnstormers and several that I know of have gone for well over 1000 hours fault free if set up properly. It’s a peach of an engine. ????????? ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Hank Optland
Sent: Friday, 29 July 2022 11:12
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [XAIR] replacement engine? I wonder if a 90 hp "Viking 90" motor (stated weight 72 kg) or an 85 hp "Aeromomentum AM10" (63 kg) could be considered?
I have an X-Air F? ( Falcon in the UK ) with Rotax 912 and it works very well.? Performance is no greater than a 2 stroke but much greater reliability. Theoretically it should use less fuel but mine burns around 14 litres an hour. Previous owner said it burnt 12 litres an hour . The difference might be because I fitted heated carb bodies when I bought it to prevent carb ice.
If attachments work there is a photo of the engine installation attached.? The Engine mount is special for the 912 and the forward engine struts are shortened.
There are some weight concerns. Mine was the development aircraft and has lightweight wheels, floor and originally had a smaller single tank.
It now has double tanks ( 55 Litres )? and as I fly alone a long range tank with another 20 litres, so now aircraft endurance is far greater than pilot endurance !! - more than 5 hours.
In the UK there are a couple flying with the D-motor which seems an interesting combination.? The only thing I don't like with the 912 is flying with high revs ( cruise 4800-5000 rpm ) which makes for a noisy cockpit although a recent Bose A20 has improved the situation. The D-Motor , like the Jabiru flies with half the revs so would be more comfortable but for me reliability is the No consideration.? I like the D Motor but would want to wait a few years to see how the reliability is before flying with one.
Regards,
Jonathan
On 29/07/2022 10:13, Michael Coates wrote: Too heavy for the X-Air Standard....??? They own the X-Air Airframe as their test bed but cant use it because of the weight etc....???? However it looks promising !
Clive Cunningham wrote on 29/07/2022 5:27 pm: Keep an eye on Radial Motion. 3 cyl air cooled radial engine being made in Australia. Looks like a winner!
Clive Cunningham K&M HD Motorcycles U2 5-9 Kingston Ave? Richmond? South Australia 5033?? Ph +61 8? 8234 1090? kmmotor@... kmmotorcycles.com.au
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The lift to up to 600kg may solve the weight issue?
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On 29 Jul 2022, at 13:25, Brian Ellis <bellis2uk@...> wrote:
? Might be interesting to find out just how many D Motors (4 cylinder) are currently flying in the uk? On 29 Jul 2022, at 11:48, Seamus O'Donnell <etronics@...> wrote:
?
your performance with the 912 is not that good, you are
flying at?a very high rpm,?the?one I built years ago cruised at
4200 55kts never burned more than 12 litres and was also using the DUC prop,
have you tried changing pitch on prop
weight and CG is important and the?majority of the UK
xairs have a very forward CG, all xairs no matter which engine fitted fly much
better with an aft CG and especially the falcon which was never as good as the
standard xair
?Seamus
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Sent: Friday, July 29, 2022 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [XAIR] replacement
engine
I have an X-Air F? ( Falcon in the UK ) with Rotax 912
and it works very well.? Performance is no greater than a 2 stroke but
much greater reliability. Theoretically it should use less fuel but mine burns
around 14 litres an hour. Previous owner said it burnt 12 litres an hour . The
difference might be because I fitted heated carb bodies when I bought it to
prevent carb ice.
If attachments work there is a photo of the engine
installation attached.? The Engine mount is special for the 912 and the
forward engine struts are shortened.
There are some weight concerns.
Mine was the development aircraft and has lightweight wheels, floor and
originally had a smaller single tank.
It now has double tanks ( 55
Litres )? and as I fly alone a long range tank with another 20 litres, so
now aircraft endurance is far greater than pilot endurance !! - more than 5
hours.
In the UK there are a couple flying with the D-motor which seems
an interesting combination.? The only thing I don't like with the 912 is
flying with high revs ( cruise 4800-5000 rpm ) which makes for a noisy cockpit
although a recent Bose A20 has improved the situation. The D-Motor , like the
Jabiru flies with half the revs so would be more comfortable but for me
reliability is the No consideration.? I like the D Motor but would want
to wait a few years to see how the reliability is before flying with one.
Regards,
Jonathan
On 29/07/2022 10:13, Michael Coates
wrote:
Too heavy for the X-Air Standard....??? They own
the X-Air Airframe as their test bed but cant use it because of the weight
etc....???? However it looks promising !
Clive Cunningham wrote on 29/07/2022 5:27
pm:
Keep an eye on Radial Motion. 3 cyl air cooled radial
engine being made in Australia. Looks like a winner!
Clive Cunningham
K&M HD Motorcycles
U2 5-9 Kingston Ave?
Richmond?
South Australia 5033??
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Might be interesting to find out just how many D Motors (4 cylinder) are currently flying in the uk?
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On 29 Jul 2022, at 11:48, Seamus O'Donnell <etronics@...> wrote:
?
your performance with the 912 is not that good, you are
flying at?a very high rpm,?the?one I built years ago cruised at
4200 55kts never burned more than 12 litres and was also using the DUC prop,
have you tried changing pitch on prop
weight and CG is important and the?majority of the UK
xairs have a very forward CG, all xairs no matter which engine fitted fly much
better with an aft CG and especially the falcon which was never as good as the
standard xair
?Seamus
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2022 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [XAIR] replacement
engine
I have an X-Air F? ( Falcon in the UK ) with Rotax 912
and it works very well.? Performance is no greater than a 2 stroke but
much greater reliability. Theoretically it should use less fuel but mine burns
around 14 litres an hour. Previous owner said it burnt 12 litres an hour . The
difference might be because I fitted heated carb bodies when I bought it to
prevent carb ice.
If attachments work there is a photo of the engine
installation attached.? The Engine mount is special for the 912 and the
forward engine struts are shortened.
There are some weight concerns.
Mine was the development aircraft and has lightweight wheels, floor and
originally had a smaller single tank.
It now has double tanks ( 55
Litres )? and as I fly alone a long range tank with another 20 litres, so
now aircraft endurance is far greater than pilot endurance !! - more than 5
hours.
In the UK there are a couple flying with the D-motor which seems
an interesting combination.? The only thing I don't like with the 912 is
flying with high revs ( cruise 4800-5000 rpm ) which makes for a noisy cockpit
although a recent Bose A20 has improved the situation. The D-Motor , like the
Jabiru flies with half the revs so would be more comfortable but for me
reliability is the No consideration.? I like the D Motor but would want
to wait a few years to see how the reliability is before flying with one.
Regards,
Jonathan
On 29/07/2022 10:13, Michael Coates
wrote:
Too heavy for the X-Air Standard....??? They own
the X-Air Airframe as their test bed but cant use it because of the weight
etc....???? However it looks promising !
Clive Cunningham wrote on 29/07/2022 5:27
pm:
Keep an eye on Radial Motion. 3 cyl air cooled radial
engine being made in Australia. Looks like a winner!
Clive Cunningham
K&M HD Motorcycles
U2 5-9 Kingston Ave?
Richmond?
South Australia 5033??
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Hi, thanks for info, thats very interesting. The prop was recently
replaced due to corrosion and was set up for me by Metal Seagulls in
Wales, including test flying. Not sure what its set at but think its
now set at what is specified in the manual? whereas before it was
slightly different.
C of G is interesting, I might try some experiments. Another 9112
Falcon owner reports they get 12L per hour.
At the moment mine is running cool and I need to adjust the radiator
shielding. Im hoping this will also improve fuel use.
regards,
Jonathan
G-BZWC
On 29/07/2022 12:47, Seamus O'Donnell
wrote:
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?
your performance with the 912 is not that
good, you are flying at?a very high rpm,?the?one I built years
ago cruised at 4200 55kts never burned more than 12 litres and
was also using the DUC prop, have you tried changing pitch on
prop
weight and CG is important and
the?majority of the UK xairs have a very forward CG, all xairs
no matter which engine fitted fly much better with an aft CG
and especially the falcon which was never as good as the
standard xair
?Seamus
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2022
9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [XAIR]
replacement engine
I have an X-Air F? ( Falcon in the UK ) with Rotax 912 and it
works very well.? Performance is no greater than a 2 stroke but
much greater reliability. Theoretically it should use less fuel
but mine burns around 14 litres an hour. Previous owner said it
burnt 12 litres an hour . The difference might be because I
fitted heated carb bodies when I bought it to prevent carb ice.
If attachments work there is a photo of the engine installation
attached.? The Engine mount is special for the 912 and the
forward engine struts are shortened.
There are some weight concerns. Mine was the development
aircraft and has lightweight wheels, floor and originally had a
smaller single tank.
It now has double tanks ( 55 Litres )? and as I fly alone a long
range tank with another 20 litres, so now aircraft endurance is
far greater than pilot endurance !! - more than 5 hours.
In the UK there are a couple flying with the D-motor which seems
an interesting combination.? The only thing I don't like with
the 912 is flying with high revs ( cruise 4800-5000 rpm ) which
makes for a noisy cockpit although a recent Bose A20 has
improved the situation. The D-Motor , like the Jabiru flies with
half the revs so would be more comfortable but for me
reliability is the No consideration.? I like the D Motor but
would want to wait a few years to see how the reliability is
before flying with one.
Regards,
Jonathan
On 29/07/2022 10:13, Michael Coates
wrote:
Too heavy for the X-Air Standard....??? They own
the X-Air Airframe as their test bed but cant use it because
of the weight etc....???? However it looks promising !
Clive Cunningham wrote on
29/07/2022 5:27 pm:
Keep an eye on Radial Motion. 3 cyl
air cooled radial engine being made in Australia. Looks
like a winner!
Clive Cunningham
K&M HD Motorcycles
U2 5-9 Kingston Ave?
Richmond?
South Australia 5033??
Ph +61 8? 8234 1090?
kmmotor@...
kmmotorcycles.com.au
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?
your performance with the 912 is not that good, you are
flying at?a very high rpm,?the?one I built years ago cruised at
4200 55kts never burned more than 12 litres and was also using the DUC prop,
have you tried changing pitch on prop
weight and CG is important and the?majority of the UK
xairs have a very forward CG, all xairs no matter which engine fitted fly much
better with an aft CG and especially the falcon which was never as good as the
standard xair
?Seamus
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2022 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [XAIR] replacement
engine
I have an X-Air F? ( Falcon in the UK ) with Rotax 912
and it works very well.? Performance is no greater than a 2 stroke but
much greater reliability. Theoretically it should use less fuel but mine burns
around 14 litres an hour. Previous owner said it burnt 12 litres an hour . The
difference might be because I fitted heated carb bodies when I bought it to
prevent carb ice.
If attachments work there is a photo of the engine
installation attached.? The Engine mount is special for the 912 and the
forward engine struts are shortened.
There are some weight concerns.
Mine was the development aircraft and has lightweight wheels, floor and
originally had a smaller single tank.
It now has double tanks ( 55
Litres )? and as I fly alone a long range tank with another 20 litres, so
now aircraft endurance is far greater than pilot endurance !! - more than 5
hours.
In the UK there are a couple flying with the D-motor which seems
an interesting combination.? The only thing I don't like with the 912 is
flying with high revs ( cruise 4800-5000 rpm ) which makes for a noisy cockpit
although a recent Bose A20 has improved the situation. The D-Motor , like the
Jabiru flies with half the revs so would be more comfortable but for me
reliability is the No consideration.? I like the D Motor but would want
to wait a few years to see how the reliability is before flying with one.
Regards,
Jonathan
On 29/07/2022 10:13, Michael Coates
wrote:
Too heavy for the X-Air Standard....??? They own
the X-Air Airframe as their test bed but cant use it because of the weight
etc....???? However it looks promising !
Clive Cunningham wrote on 29/07/2022 5:27
pm:
Keep an eye on Radial Motion. 3 cyl air cooled radial
engine being made in Australia. Looks like a winner!
Clive Cunningham
K&M HD Motorcycles
U2 5-9 Kingston Ave?
Richmond?
South Australia 5033??
Ph +61 8? 8234 1090?
kmmotor@...
kmmotorcycles.com.au
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I wonder if a 90 hp "Viking 90" motor (stated weight 72 kg) or an 85 hp "Aeromomentum AM10" (63 kg) could be considered?
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I have an X-Air F? ( Falcon in the UK ) with Rotax 912 and it works very well.? Performance is no greater than a 2 stroke but much greater reliability. Theoretically it should use less fuel but mine burns around 14 litres an hour. Previous owner said it burnt
12 litres an hour . The difference might be because I fitted heated carb bodies when I bought it to prevent carb ice.
If attachments work there is a photo of the engine installation attached.? The Engine mount is special for the 912 and the forward engine struts are shortened.
There are some weight concerns. Mine was the development aircraft and has lightweight wheels, floor and originally had a smaller single tank.
It now has double tanks ( 55 Litres )? and as I fly alone a long range tank with another 20 litres, so now aircraft endurance is far greater than pilot endurance !! - more than 5 hours.
In the UK there are a couple flying with the D-motor which seems an interesting combination.? The only thing I don't like with the 912 is flying with high revs ( cruise 4800-5000 rpm ) which makes for a noisy cockpit although a recent Bose A20 has improved
the situation. The D-Motor , like the Jabiru flies with half the revs so would be more comfortable but for me reliability is the No consideration.? I like the D Motor but would want to wait a few years to see how the reliability is before flying with one.
Regards,
Jonathan
On 29/07/2022 10:13, Michael Coates wrote:
Too heavy for the X-Air Standard....??? They own the X-Air Airframe as their test bed but cant use it because of the weight etc....???? However it looks promising !
Clive Cunningham wrote on 29/07/2022 5:27 pm:
Keep an eye on Radial Motion. 3 cyl air cooled radial engine being made in Australia. Looks like a winner!
Clive Cunningham
K&M HD Motorcycles
U2 5-9 Kingston Ave?
Richmond?
South Australia 5033??
Ph +61 8? 8234 1090?
kmmotor@...
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I have an X-Air F? ( Falcon in the UK ) with Rotax 912 and it works
very well.? Performance is no greater than a 2 stroke but much
greater reliability. Theoretically it should use less fuel but mine
burns around 14 litres an hour. Previous owner said it burnt 12
litres an hour . The difference might be because I fitted heated
carb bodies when I bought it to prevent carb ice.
If attachments work there is a photo of the engine installation
attached.? The Engine mount is special for the 912 and the forward
engine struts are shortened.
There are some weight concerns. Mine was the development aircraft
and has lightweight wheels, floor and originally had a smaller
single tank.
It now has double tanks ( 55 Litres )? and as I fly alone a long
range tank with another 20 litres, so now aircraft endurance is far
greater than pilot endurance !! - more than 5 hours.
In the UK there are a couple flying with the D-motor which seems an
interesting combination.? The only thing I don't like with the 912
is flying with high revs ( cruise 4800-5000 rpm ) which makes for a
noisy cockpit although a recent Bose A20 has improved the situation.
The D-Motor , like the Jabiru flies with half the revs so would be
more comfortable but for me reliability is the No consideration.? I
like the D Motor but would want to wait a few years to see how the
reliability is before flying with one.
Regards,
Jonathan
On 29/07/2022 10:13, Michael Coates
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Too heavy for the X-Air Standard....??? They own the X-Air
Airframe as their test bed but cant use it because of the weight
etc....???? However it looks promising !
Clive Cunningham wrote on 29/07/2022
5:27 pm:
Keep an eye on Radial Motion. 3 cyl air cooled radial engine
being made in Australia. Looks like a winner!
Clive Cunningham
K&M HD Motorcycles
U2 5-9 Kingston Ave?
Richmond?
South Australia 5033??
Ph +61 8? 8234 1090?
kmmotor@...
kmmotorcycles.com.au
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Too heavy for the X-Air Standard....??? They own the X-Air Airframe
as their test bed but cant use it because of the weight etc....????
However it looks promising !
Clive Cunningham wrote on 29/07/2022
5:27 pm:
Keep an eye on Radial Motion. 3 cyl air cooled radial engine
being made in Australia. Looks like a winner!
Clive Cunningham
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Re?: Re: [XAIR] Hanuman bungee
Hello Group,?
on the?issue of a suitable alternative to the Rotax 582?for the X-air, has anyone considered the MZ202 by Compact Radial Engines (now Fiate)? It is advertised as a 63 go?bolt on replacement for the R582…..
?
Thank you for your comments
Tom Dudet
Le vendredi, juillet 29, 2022, 6:30 AM, Michael Coates <mcoates@...> a écrit?:
Hello Hank, that is the million-dollar question.....??? There are
really no viable alternates....?? A lot of people mention the Hirth
but in reality they just don't have the reliability and service
record of the Rotax 582. The Jabiru 2.2 doesn't perform all that
well on the original X-Air airframe which was always designed for
the 582.
I guess we will just have to look for electric !
Hank Optland wrote on 29/07/2022 2:10
pm:
★ What will replace the two-stroke Rotax motors (no longer made)
in the X-Airs?
Get
They could have always done things differently in my opinion.
The problem was the market also changed and tube and fabric
aircraft were no longer The only option available to
recreational flyers when composite aircraft started getting
around. Added to this is now There are no longer Rotax
two-stroke engines available and that makes it much harder to
sell the standard models.....
Justin Gregoris wrote on
29/07/2022 10:11 am:
I wonder if the marketing ads and campaigns
were better with the X Air - they may have sold a lot more
aircraft.
I've taken about 4 very
experienced pilots wirh total flighr hours ranging from
1800-28,000hrs and all have said the same thing: the X Air
comes across as a brittle 'paper airplane' but after flying
it, is surprised with overall stability and engineering
while keeping it in value packed design.
Hello Justin, yes I have also been sent photographs of
the progress from the first day and he is doing a fantastic
job. I have been holding off in posting the pictures in
dribs and drabs and rather waiting until he has completely
finished and then do a mass upload but you are more than
welcome to send through anything that he has already sent
you. It is really good to see the resources of X-Air owners
and how they can approach things from a different
perspective and make really significant improvements
Justin Gregoris wrote on
29/07/2022 10:02 am:
Totally off topic, but If I'm allowed -
I'll send everyone a bunch of pictures of this
gentlemen's (Brent) Hanuman.
He purchased a 2009 X
Air.
Completely stripped
the plane - literally dismantled 98% of it. New
covering, new Jabiru motor. New everything. New,
modified landing gear, big tundra-like STOL tires. 3
bladed prop, list goes on. Then he also got a custom
door builder to increase cabin width to 49 inches by
installing bubble doors without any cross members. Looks
high-end.
This airplane is by
far the nicest looking X Air I have ever seen. Probably
all input around 55,000$ CDN but I'm blown away how nice
it is. Located in New Brunswick Canada.
I replaced mine with two 9044 bungees per side. One
each was a bit soft, two worked just fine.
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Hello Hank, that is the million-dollar question.....??? There are
really no viable alternates....?? A lot of people mention the Hirth
but in reality they just don't have the reliability and service
record of the Rotax 582. The Jabiru 2.2 doesn't perform all that
well on the original X-Air airframe which was always designed for
the 582.
I guess we will just have to look for electric !
Hank Optland wrote on 29/07/2022 2:10
pm:
★ What will replace the two-stroke Rotax motors (no longer made)
in the X-Airs?
Get
They could have always done things differently in my opinion.
The problem was the market also changed and tube and fabric
aircraft were no longer The only option available to
recreational flyers when composite aircraft started getting
around. Added to this is now There are no longer Rotax
two-stroke engines available and that makes it much harder to
sell the standard models.....
Justin Gregoris wrote on
29/07/2022 10:11 am:
I wonder if the marketing ads and campaigns
were better with the X Air - they may have sold a lot more
aircraft.
I've taken about 4 very
experienced pilots wirh total flighr hours ranging from
1800-28,000hrs and all have said the same thing: the X Air
comes across as a brittle 'paper airplane' but after flying
it, is surprised with overall stability and engineering
while keeping it in value packed design.
Hello Justin, yes I have also been sent photographs of
the progress from the first day and he is doing a fantastic
job. I have been holding off in posting the pictures in
dribs and drabs and rather waiting until he has completely
finished and then do a mass upload but you are more than
welcome to send through anything that he has already sent
you. It is really good to see the resources of X-Air owners
and how they can approach things from a different
perspective and make really significant improvements
Justin Gregoris wrote on
29/07/2022 10:02 am:
Totally off topic, but If I'm allowed -
I'll send everyone a bunch of pictures of this
gentlemen's (Brent) Hanuman.
He purchased a 2009 X
Air.
Completely stripped
the plane - literally dismantled 98% of it. New
covering, new Jabiru motor. New everything. New,
modified landing gear, big tundra-like STOL tires. 3
bladed prop, list goes on. Then he also got a custom
door builder to increase cabin width to 49 inches by
installing bubble doors without any cross members. Looks
high-end.
This airplane is by
far the nicest looking X Air I have ever seen. Probably
all input around 55,000$ CDN but I'm blown away how nice
it is. Located in New Brunswick Canada.
I replaced mine with two 9044 bungees per side. One
each was a bit soft, two worked just fine.
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