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Re: X-AIR CENTRAL Re: X-Air F not climbing

Michael Coates
 

magriniw@... wrote:

Yes, the gearbox was in the up position, plus I had a tad bit of down
on both ailerons.
I have found when setting up the ailerons, which is very important to have
right, that the best way to do it is really with three people.

Position the stick centrally and tie in place, tie it firm because it's easy
to move the position when adjusting the ailerons. Using one person on each
wing, go to the outboard location where both the struts connect to the wing
and put a good straight edge in there - wedged hard against the leading and
trailing edges.

You can now use these secure straight edges (piece of timber etc..) to
adjust the position of each aileron. The factory recommends touching each
straight edge but our preference is to have them raised about 1 cm (1/2
inch) i find the plane flies a little faster and seams to be very neutral in
all aspects of flight. If they are adjusted down to touch the rulers the
plane seems to yaw a little bit in the turns, adjust them up and it doesn't.

Finally, don't forget to safety wire the turnbuckles using a standard figure
8 wiring method.

Your done !! she should fly perfectly balanced and without any vices.

Thanks Michael


Re: X-AIR CENTRAL Hello all

Bill Magrini
 

Hi Ted,

My email address is magriniw@... Call or write if I can help.

Regards,

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Clement <mlclement@...>
To: X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft@...
<X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft@...>
Date: Sunday, June 18, 2000 1:14 AM
Subject: Re: [X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] X-AIR CENTRAL Hello all


Bill, I talked to you by phone couple months ago but have been unable to
get thru on your email address. Am trying again. Regards.


At 03:54 AM 6/17/00 +0000, you wrote:
Hi,

I'm Bill Magrini -- Xair Dealer in the US fort Virginia and Maryland.
I just completed my Xair F and have flown it twice. I Didn't set the
prop thrust line up properly, so it wouldn't climb so hot with two
people. I'm still tweaking the bird. I hope to have it all correct
this weekend.

Regards,

Bill


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Re: X-AIR CENTRAL Re: X-Air F not climbing

Bill Magrini
 

Thanks Michael.

So the trailing edge of the aileron will be up just slightly (1 cm)? Now
mine are just a tad down (1 cm) and I do notice a fair amount of yaw in
turns.

Regards,

Bill

PS How does one get the bottom rib battens secure inside the sailcloth. The
tops went in fine, but the bottoms are hard to get in. Am I doing something
wrong? There are a few difficult things like this that the manual doesn't
cover at all.

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Coates <xair@...>
To: X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft@...
<X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft@...>
Date: Sunday, June 18, 2000 12:55 AM
Subject: Re: [X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] X-AIR CENTRAL Re: X-Air F not
climbing


magriniw@... wrote:

Yes, the gearbox was in the up position, plus I had a tad bit of down
on both ailerons.
I have found when setting up the ailerons, which is very important to have
right, that the best way to do it is really with three people.

Position the stick centrally and tie in place, tie it firm because it's
easy
to move the position when adjusting the ailerons. Using one person on each
wing, go to the outboard location where both the struts connect to the wing
and put a good straight edge in there - wedged hard against the leading and
trailing edges.

You can now use these secure straight edges (piece of timber etc..) to
adjust the position of each aileron. The factory recommends touching each
straight edge but our preference is to have them raised about 1 cm (1/2
inch) i find the plane flies a little faster and seams to be very neutral
in
all aspects of flight. If they are adjusted down to touch the rulers the
plane seems to yaw a little bit in the turns, adjust them up and it
doesn't.

Finally, don't forget to safety wire the turnbuckles using a standard
figure
8 wiring method.

Your done !! she should fly perfectly balanced and without any vices.

Thanks Michael


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Re: X-Air F not climbing

 

Yes, the gearbox was in the up position, plus I had a tad bit of down
on both ailerons.


Re: X-AIR CENTRAL Re: Engine Brackets

Tony Stiller
 

What are there any restrictions/requirements necessary for a manufacturer to have when looking for a manufacturer?
cheers
Tony

At 12:17 PM 6/17/00 +0000, you wrote:
Just to clear up the information about the engine brackets. Bert
Floods has agreed to design a bracket which will fit the Rotax 912,
if
and when we start ordering 912's for our aircraft. Our conversation
went something like, if you can come up with an engine mount to suit
our aircraft then i think more customers would consider a 912. I dont
think Bert Flood's would like to put the work into a bracket if it's
to be used on an opposition engine.

I will do two things. 1. Ask the factory in France for more
information on their mount, and who made it, can we have drawings
etc... and 2. Put the word out to find a suitable person to fabricate
a new mount specifically to suit the Jabiru and Rotax 912 engines.

There are that many planes out there now flying around Australia i am
sure if either engine importer got there act together and did a mount
then their engine would sell in reasonable numbers. Every customer
asks the same question.... Can i put a 4 stroke on the X-Air ? and
why
wont the Jab or 912 bolt straight on !........ if it was as easy as
saying the Jab/912 will fit with the optional $300 engine mount then
i
am sure they would buy them.

Easy way....... find someone who can design a mount and do some
welding.

Thanks Michael


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Re: Engine Brackets

Michael Coates
 

Just to clear up the information about the engine brackets. Bert
Floods has agreed to design a bracket which will fit the Rotax 912,
if
and when we start ordering 912's for our aircraft. Our conversation
went something like, if you can come up with an engine mount to suit
our aircraft then i think more customers would consider a 912. I dont
think Bert Flood's would like to put the work into a bracket if it's
to be used on an opposition engine.

I will do two things. 1. Ask the factory in France for more
information on their mount, and who made it, can we have drawings
etc... and 2. Put the word out to find a suitable person to fabricate
a new mount specifically to suit the Jabiru and Rotax 912 engines.

There are that many planes out there now flying around Australia i am
sure if either engine importer got there act together and did a mount
then their engine would sell in reasonable numbers. Every customer
asks the same question.... Can i put a 4 stroke on the X-Air ? and
why
wont the Jab or 912 bolt straight on !........ if it was as easy as
saying the Jab/912 will fit with the optional $300 engine mount then
i
am sure they would buy them.

Easy way....... find someone who can design a mount and do some
welding.

Thanks Michael


Re: X-AIR CENTRAL Re: Engine comparisons.

Tony Stiller
 

Hi Peter
I asked Michael what the cost is but he seemed to think that Jabiru should could up with a bracket, why I dont know as a manufactured bracket is simply that, a manufactured bracket which if suitable for a rotax is equally suitable for a Jabiru.
My suggestion is to ask Michael like I have done. If there is no success I will contact Bert Flood myself for availability and price.
cheers
Tony

At 10:45 PM 6/17/00 +1200, you wrote:

Hello Tony,
?
Saw your message re 912 bracket. Do yo know how much Flood wants for it?
Appreciate your advice.
?
Cheers,
?
Peter Stuy




Re: X-AIR CENTRAL Re: Engine comparisons.

 

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Hello Tony,
?
Saw your message re 912 bracket. Do yo know how much Flood wants for it?
Appreciate your advice.
?
Cheers,
?
Peter Stuy


Re: X-AIR CENTRAL Re: Engine comparisons.

Tony Stiller
 

Hi Gordon
I have a 2.2 Jabiru on my Xair and suffers on climb due to the thrust line, however Bert Flood has manufactured a replacement bracket for the Xiar to take the 912 and I am trying to get hold of one of these brackets to fit to my Xair so I can lower the thrust line and improve the climb rate.
The engine bracket made by Jabiru for the 2.2 bolts directly into the provided holes on the plate for the rotax engine, so I see no need for Jabiru to make up another bracket if one has already been constructed by Bert Flood.
My Xair with the 2.2 Jabiru cruises at 65 knots on 2800 rpm making the 4 stroke engine very quiet, safe and reliable to fly.
cheers
Tony

At 12:14 AM 6/17/00 +0000, you wrote:
--- In X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft@..., Gordon Bailey
<gordon.bailey@j...> wrote:
Anyone got true performance figures to compare the 618, 912 and the
Jabiru 2.2?
We had a Thruster T500 at our airfield that had a 912 mounted. It
seemed to work
OK (I flew in it), however I couldn&#92;'t help think the advantages of
the bigger
motor/prop may have been negated somewhat by the drag/weight
increase.

Ofcourse, no one can dispute the 912 reliability though, which is a
big bonus.

My experience shows that the 618 and Jabiru are very similar in
performance - although the benifits of near silence in cruise is
appreciated over sensitive areas.

Our Jabiru performes very well except for climb and this directly
relates to the engine mount which makes the thrust line to high (the
propeller sits too high) if the standard engine mount was replaced
with a new one to specificcaly suit the Jabiru engine then i am sure
it would perform better in climb.

The 912 i expect would perform very well but no-one has done that
instalation in Australia, both the 912 and the Jabiru are heavier
than
the 618.

Fuel consumption is nearly identical between the Jabiru and my 618
although some of our customers are using up to 18 liters per hour on
there 618's ?? - (they probably need to be set up a bit better).

I am sure if someone could come up with some sort of engine fairing
for these engines that better consumption figures could be acheived.
If you look at the size of say the Jabiru hanging out the front and
imagine the wind resistance..... it must have a big effect


Re: Engine comparisons.

Michael Coates
 

"Peter Stuy" <pstuy@x>
wrote:

----- Original Message -----
From: xair@m...
To: X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft@...


Fuel consumption is nearly identical between the Jabiru and my 618
although some of our customers are using up to 18 liters per hour
on there 618's ?? - (they probably need to be set up a bit better).

Better in which way? I get about 16.5 L/h at 60Kts, 18 at 65Kts
and over 20 at 70Kts, but that should be normal??
I can also stay aloft on 8.5L/Hr too!

I am sure if someone could come up with some sort of engine
fairing for these engines that better consumption figures could be
acheived.

If you look at the size of say the Jabiru hanging out the front
and imagine the wind resistance..... it must have a big effect
Fairing for the 618 would be lovely too!



Reply;

The X-Air has a definate 'step' in it's performance... for about the
first month i floated around at about 50 to 55knots on the 618 at
5200
to 5300 rpm, i found when desending at this rpm the aircraft picked
up
speed to about 60 to 65 knots and the altimeter stayed the same... i
was not loosing height. With a bit of practice it's easy to get the
plane on the 'step' sometimes without even thinking about it.

You can 'drag' the plane around the sky with high rpm which means
high
fuel burn or you can learn to use the step as part of normal flight
operations.

The easy way to pick the step is to line up the wing tips with the
horizon. If the leading edge is higher than the trailing edge then
your just poking around having fun.... push the stick forward slowly
or give it a touch of trim and she will pick up speed; the increased
speed creates extra lift which keeps you flying fast without loosing
height. Look to the wing tip on the step and the leading edge is
lower
than the trailing edge when lined up with the horizon.

This technique will take about an hour to master - learn it in still
weather otherwise the thermals etc will make it hard to learn.

The other reason my economy is down is my aircraft is geared to only
run to 6200 rpm instead of the max 6750 rpm, this gives me higher
gearing which equates to faster cruise speed for a lower rpm. If your
prop allows for advustment give it a go.

Thanks Michael


Re: X-Air F not climbing

Michael Coates
 

I'm Bill Magrini -- Xair Dealer in the US fort Virginia and
Maryland.
I just completed my Xair F and have flown it twice. I Didn't set the
prop thrust line up properly, so it wouldn't climb so hot with two
people. I'm still tweaking the bird. I hope to have it all correct
this weekend.

Regards, Bill

What do you mean by not set the thrust line up properly ??, did you
have the gearbox upside down, what engine ??

I have about 25 hours in "F" models and they should climb a little
bit
better than the standard plane on the first stage of flap, i have
found full flap on takeoff is just like throwing out an anchor, but
having said that if you commence ground roll with no flap and then at
about 35 knots pull full flap she leaps off the ground real quick.
Someone wiser and more sensible than me told me it increases your
chance of stalling dramaticaly, so he did not recommend it as part of
normal flight practices.

Overall we find the "F" model a little bit faster (about 5-8 knots)
the roll rate is also about double, other than that they are very
similar.

Please let us know what your playing with and make sure to post a
picture of your aircraft in the Files section in the folder "Aircraft
Colours".... i am trying to build a library of different colour
schemes for customers who are always asking what does a pink and
purple look like etc...

Thanks Michael


Re: X-AIR CENTRAL Re: Engine comparisons.

 

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----- Original Message -----
From: xair@...
.

Fuel consumption is nearly identical between the Jabiru and my 618
although some of our customers are using up to 18 liters per hour on
there 618's ?? - (they probably need to be set up a bit better).
?
Better in which way? I get about 16.5 L/h at 60Kts, 18 at 65Kts and over 20 at 70Kts, but that should be normal??
I can also stay aloft on 8.5L/Hr too!

I am sure if someone could come up with some sort of engine fairing
for these engines that better consumption figures could be acheived.
If you look at the size of say the Jabiru hanging out the front and
imagine the wind resistance..... it must have a big effect
Fairing for the 618 would be lovely too!
?
Peter







Hello all

 

Hi,

I'm Bill Magrini -- Xair Dealer in the US fort Virginia and Maryland.
I just completed my Xair F and have flown it twice. I Didn't set the
prop thrust line up properly, so it wouldn't climb so hot with two
people. I'm still tweaking the bird. I hope to have it all correct
this weekend.

Regards,

Bill


Re: Engine comparisons.

 

--- In X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft@..., Gordon Bailey
<gordon.bailey@j...> wrote:
Anyone got true performance figures to compare the 618, 912 and the
Jabiru 2.2?
We had a Thruster T500 at our airfield that had a 912 mounted. It
seemed to work
OK (I flew in it), however I couldn&#92;'t help think the advantages of
the bigger
motor/prop may have been negated somewhat by the drag/weight
increase.

Ofcourse, no one can dispute the 912 reliability though, which is a
big bonus.

My experience shows that the 618 and Jabiru are very similar in
performance - although the benifits of near silence in cruise is
appreciated over sensitive areas.

Our Jabiru performes very well except for climb and this directly
relates to the engine mount which makes the thrust line to high (the
propeller sits too high) if the standard engine mount was replaced
with a new one to specificcaly suit the Jabiru engine then i am sure
it would perform better in climb.

The 912 i expect would perform very well but no-one has done that
instalation in Australia, both the 912 and the Jabiru are heavier
than
the 618.

Fuel consumption is nearly identical between the Jabiru and my 618
although some of our customers are using up to 18 liters per hour on
there 618's ?? - (they probably need to be set up a bit better).

I am sure if someone could come up with some sort of engine fairing
for these engines that better consumption figures could be acheived.
If you look at the size of say the Jabiru hanging out the front and
imagine the wind resistance..... it must have a big effect


Re: Another new member

 

---
Hi Darrel,
I spoke to you shortly after you wrote the article re your
Xair you had just finised building in the Pacific Ultralight Mag.
You mentioned to me on the phone how much you loved the Rotax 618
with
its power. Especially on take off.
Have you flown to Cradle Mountain or down to Hobart or the east coast
as yet.

I guess you would be rugged up this time of the year for
flying...even
on the Gold Coast its been pretty cold at night lately.

Have you got doors fitted to yours...if not I bet you will be getting
them.

Cheers ...a few ports would not go astray, another cold night.

Peter




In X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft@..., dnpeaty@b... wrote:

Hi I am Darrel Peatey the Xair dealer for Tasmania I would like to
hear from other people with similar interests.


Another new member

 

Hi I am Darrel Peatey the Xair dealer for Tasmania I would like to
hear from other people with similar interests.


Engine comparisons.

 

Anyone got true performance figures to compare the 618, 912 and the Jabiru 2.2?
We had a Thruster T500 at our airfield that had a 912 mounted. It seemed to work
OK (I flew in it), however I couldn&#92;'t help think the advantages of the bigger
motor/prop may have been negated somewhat by the drag/weight increase.

Ofcourse, no one can dispute the 912 reliability though, which is a big bonus.


Rotax 912 Powered X-Air

 

We have just posted some pictures of a Rotax 912 powered X-Air in the
'Files' section of this site.

There are plenty of close-ups of the modified engine mounts and i am
told she flies really well.

Look for the photographs in the Rotax 912 folder

Thanks Michael


X-Air with Floats

 

I have just been forwarded a business card from an X-Air Customer? - Stéphane in Saint Martin , which is a French Caribbean Island, the aircraft has been fitted with hard floats and is being used in a tourist environment for joy flights etc.

Stéphane can be contacted on Email???? theostef@...

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Best Wishes,??? Michael Coates
Sydney, Australia.? Home of the 2000 Olympics

Email mcoates@...

X-Air Web Site:?
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Link page Up and Running

 

The link section of this group now has links to 17 X-Air sites
including the factory in France and the manufacturer of the aircraft
in India.

It will take a few hours to make your way through this bounty of
information.

To access; click on the 'Links' button on the left and choose the web
sites from there.

Enjoy

Michael Coates X-Air Australia