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Hello X-Air people, could somebody on the Facebook page also duplicate this post so it gets some exposure.

I have had a lot of enquiry recently from various X-Air owners regarding several new parts suppliers, mainly in India working in opposition to the factory. I have finally received full information about this from the X-Air factory and it follows...

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Can you please give me additional information about what X-Air is doing with the rogue parts supplier/s from India ?

The Rogue suppliers are copy cats and have copied some of our old drawings or parts.? We are not sure what they supply and what material they use.? We have never tested them.

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There seems to be some confusion about who is supplying what, and on one of the Facebook websites it is saying that this rogue supplier is actually the X-Air factory itself selling as a third party. I would like to get this question answered please.


These guys don't spend time for R&D but just copy and use some cheaper raw material to make them.? Hence we presume they have a lot of time to do such scams to promote their own material.? Such scammers are on the increase these days in all fields, and they are able to mislead customers through involvement in MultiMedia.

If the parts are coming from anybody except X-Air or published X-Air dealers then they are not genuine parts, they are counterfeit parts, and we share your same concerns about safety, compatibility and the materials they are using.

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From: Bernhard Svavarsson
Sent: Friday, September 1, 2023 3:50 AM
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Subject: Re: [XAIR] Spare parts from counterfeit suppliers

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Intresting and what has Raj Hamsa the x-xair company in India been doing last 10 years? Their website has not been updated since 2014.

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Hello X-Air people, could somebody on the Facebook page also duplicate

this post so it gets some exposure.

?

I have had a lot of enquiry recently from various X-Air owners regarding

several new parts suppliers, mainly in India working in opposition to

the factory. I have finally received full information about this from

the X-Air factory and it follows...

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/Can you please give me additional information about what X-Air is doing

with the rogue parts supplier/s from India ?

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/*The Rogue suppliers are copy cats and have copied some of our old

drawings or parts.? We are not sure what they supply and what material

they use. * *We have never tested them.

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*/There seems to be some confusion about who is supplying what, and on

one of the Facebook websites it is saying that this rogue supplier is

actually the X-Air factory itself selling as a third party. I would like

to get this question answered please.

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*Nobody else other than us make the genuine X-Air Parts.*

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We don't have control over other websites who say so.

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Saying that the parts are made by X-Air is a scam done by the rogue

suppliers.*

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These guys don't spend time for R&D but just copy and use some cheaper

raw material to make them.? Hence we presume they have a lot of time to

do such scams to promote their own material.? Such scammers are on the

increase these days in all fields, and they are able to mislead

customers through involvement in MultiMedia.

?

If the parts are coming from anybody except X-Air or published X-Air

dealers then they are not genuine parts, they are counterfeit parts, and

we share your same concerns about safety, compatibility and the

materials they are using.

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LET ME KNOW WHERE YOU BUY THE PLANE OF NOT ?

WHERE CAN IT GET NEW FABRIC AND WHERE CAN I GET PARTS FOR MY X-AIR HANUMAN ? HAVING TROUBLE GETTING PARTS ?

Hi,

I am currently flying a 2008 H. Mine has a 2200 Jab up front, so I’ll let more experienced Rotax drivers advise re the engine. If the airframe has always been hangared, then the frame should be sound, but it’s easy to take a peek in the fuselage and wings to check. ?In the UK we have had some engine mount cracking around the welds, but again, that was probably the Jab mount.
Two types of fabric coverings were available, one was Mylar, which has a glossy covering with visible lines woven in it every 1/2 inch or so and the other was Dacron (I think) which has a matt finish. ?I have Mylar and it has always been hangared and is still in almost new condition with more hours on it than the one you’re looking at. ?The thing to check on the fabric, is the stitching - make sure it’s all in good condition and not disintegrating. For the fabric there is a Betts Test to check the actual strength of the fabric - google will be your friend here. ?New sails are available from 3rd parties, depending on which continent your on.
These planes are easy to look after, fly and maintain - there’s not much that’s hidden away!
Hope this helps.

Ian

hi there
i am about to make an offer on 2009 xair H with the Rotax 582 engine
it has oboit 120 hours, the engine was overhauled 3 years ago(5-year overhaul)
it has been in storage in a hanger and winterised for the last 2 and a half years....

What should i be on look out for during the pre-buy inspection? my concern is that it didn't fly much...
what about the wing coverings? it has been hangered all its life should it still be rerplaced ?

any advice is welcome !!

Intresting and what has Raj Hamsa the x-xair company in India been doing last 10 years? Their website has not been updated since 2014.

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Efni: [XAIR] Spare parts from counterfeit suppliers

Hello X-Air people, could somebody on the Facebook page also duplicate
this post so it gets some exposure.

I have had a lot of enquiry recently from various X-Air owners regarding
several new parts suppliers, mainly in India working in opposition to
the factory. I have finally received full information about this from
the X-Air factory and it follows...

------------------------------------------------------------------------

/Can you please give me additional information about what X-Air is doing
with the rogue parts supplier/s from India ?

/*The Rogue suppliers are copy cats and have copied some of our old
drawings or parts.? We are not sure what they supply and what material
they use. * *We have never tested them.

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*/There seems to be some confusion about who is supplying what, and on
one of the Facebook websites it is saying that this rogue supplier is
actually the X-Air factory itself selling as a third party. I would like
to get this question answered please.

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*Nobody else other than us make the genuine X-Air Parts.*
*
We don't have control over other websites who say so.

Saying that the parts are made by X-Air is a scam done by the rogue
suppliers.*
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These guys don't spend time for R&D but just copy and use some cheaper
raw material to make them.? Hence we presume they have a lot of time to
do such scams to promote their own material.? Such scammers are on the
increase these days in all fields, and they are able to mislead
customers through involvement in MultiMedia.

If the parts are coming from anybody except X-Air or published X-Air
dealers then they are not genuine parts, they are counterfeit parts, and
we share your same concerns about safety, compatibility and the
materials they are using.

*

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Hello X-Air people, could somebody on the Facebook page also duplicate this post so it gets some exposure.

I have had a lot of enquiry recently from various X-Air owners regarding several new parts suppliers, mainly in India working in opposition to the factory. I have finally received full information about this from the X-Air factory and it follows...

---

Can you please give me additional information about what X-Air is doing with the rogue parts supplier/s from India ?

The Rogue suppliers are copy cats and have copied some of our old drawings or parts.? We are not sure what they supply and what material they use.? We have never tested them.

---

There seems to be some confusion about who is supplying what, and on one of the Facebook websites it is saying that this rogue supplier is actually the X-Air factory itself selling as a third party. I would like to get this question answered please.


These guys don't spend time for R&D but just copy and use some cheaper raw material to make them.? Hence we presume they have a lot of time to do such scams to promote their own material.? Such scammers are on the increase these days in all fields, and they are able to mislead customers through involvement in MultiMedia.

If the parts are coming from anybody except X-Air or published X-Air dealers then they are not genuine parts, they are counterfeit parts, and we share your same concerns about safety, compatibility and the materials they are using.

-- 
With regards,    Michael Coates

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Greetings All.

My name is Griff, I’m 29 years old, and I was born blind, and I am on the autism spectrum. Despite the obvious challenges, I have been flying for around five years. I am very interested in owning an ultralight, me and my dad have owned one before, although unfortunately, while he was flying it, it stalled during takeoff. This happened on the second flight that he took after we bought it. We are interested in either a X-Air Standard or a X-Air Hanuman. I would be interested in getting more information about the aircraft, although from what I’ve heard, I think it’s much better than the UltraLite we used to own. It’s much more forgiving. We used to have a flightstar 2 sc with a HKS 700 T engine, but it’s stall speed was very high. At around 31 kn. As opposed to the 20 to 23 kn of the X-Air Standard. I’ve also heard much less in regards to accident reports with the x-air. I have heard very few accidents with this plane. I’d love to hear from any owners, and I’d love to hear if any are for sale in Australia secondhand. I would also love to hear what the best engine choice is with either x-air model, or what experiences people have had with engines. And what maintenance looks like as well. Any help or information would be greatly appreciated.

Kind regards.
Griff
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My dad has a pilots license. But he isn’t as good at technology as I am. And I thought I would ask here. Also, flying and aircraft are very important and therapeutic for me. So it is mostly for me that we got the aircraft, but he got the license.

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That sounds like a fantastic opportunity for the youth flight training program with the EAA. This would be the absolute best outcome for everybody because the young people will learn how to rebuild an aircraft, get exposed to engineering ideas, flight safety etc..?? great opportunity for them !

Thank you all for the excellent information guiding me on what to do about the abandoned X-air Standard that was on a neighbor's ranch.? He had asked me about it because I have a ranch with an airstrip nearby and he knew that many folks fly in to my place.

I didn't have time to take on a paperwork hunt and restoration of it, and the ranch owner was not interested, so I arranged for him to meet an EAA chapter member who has a team that rebuilds light aircraft for a youth flight training program.? So the X-ar will be donated to that program.

I am forwarding your information to the fellow so it can help in with the project.

Again, thank you all!

Cheers,

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On Mon, Jul 17, 2023 at 4:32?AM Glyn Williams <glyn@...> wrote:

I recently bought an Xair Falcon with skins in need of replacement. As it was based 250 miles away the wings were removed and put on a trailer. It was a two hour job for two people who had never done it before, but had watched Michael Coates excellent Xair build video on youtube. That video is a must for Xair enthusiasts.

The aeroplane is currently de skinned and is being fitted with BMAA approved xlam skins from Topflight Sails in Tredegar, Wales. Nigel Sandercroft is the owner and very helpful. I will post some photos on the Facebook page to illustrate the project progress. Glyn

On 16 Jul 2023, at 20:30, Michael Coates <mcoates@...> wrote:

? Your research is correct the standard X-Air and the flap model X-Air with the high mounted engine as you mention do not have folding wings. Even if they did have folding wings you still run need? to remove the exact same number of bolts as you need to take the wing off. Much better just taking the wings off to? be honest, much less chance of damage. Thank you Michael

Rol wrote on 16/07/2023 12:38 pm:

My research leads me to believe the X-Air standard with the high mounted engine does not have wings that fold, but can only be removed.? Could someone verify that?

Thanks,

??? Rol

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thank you for the compliments and thank you for posting the photos when you have everything finished. There is always good to see photos of aircraft on the group site.

That video is now more than 25 years old !??? if only we could do it again with today's technology and quality....

I recently bought an Xair Falcon with skins in need of replacement. As it was based 250 miles away the wings were removed and put on a trailer. It was a two hour job for two people who had never done it before, but had watched Michael Coates excellent Xair build video on youtube. That video is a must for Xair enthusiasts.

The aeroplane is currently de skinned and is being fitted with BMAA approved xlam skins from Topflight Sails in Tredegar, Wales. Nigel Sandercroft is the owner and very helpful. I will post some photos on the Facebook page to illustrate the project progress. Glyn

On 16 Jul 2023, at 20:30, Michael Coates <mcoates@...> wrote:

? Your research is correct the standard X-Air and the flap model X-Air with the high mounted engine as you mention do not have folding wings. Even if they did have folding wings you still run need? to remove the exact same number of bolts as you need to take the wing off. Much better just taking the wings off to? be honest, much less chance of damage. Thank you Michael

Rol wrote on 16/07/2023 12:38 pm:

My research leads me to believe the X-Air standard with the high mounted engine does not have wings that fold, but can only be removed.? Could someone verify that?

Thanks,

??? Rol

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I recently bought an Xair Falcon with skins in need of replacement. As it was based 250 miles away the wings were removed and put on a trailer. It was a two hour job for two people who had never done it before, but had watched Michael Coates excellent Xair build video on youtube. That video is a must for Xair enthusiasts.

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Your research is correct the standard X-Air and the flap model X-Air with the high mounted engine as you mention do not have folding wings. Even if they did have folding wings you still run need? to remove the exact same number of bolts as you need to take the wing off. Much better just taking the wings off to? be honest, much less chance of damage. Thank you Michael

My research leads me to believe the X-Air standard with the high mounted engine does not have wings that fold, but can only be removed.? Could someone verify that?

Thanks,

??? Rol

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All,

This is a followup for my prior messages about the "barn find" XAIR.? It appears to be an early model with the engine mounted up high.??? this will be the X-Air standard or the X-Air with flaps

The owner of the land where it sits wants it moved ASAP.? He sold that portion of his ranch and wants to move the plane elsewhere.? I am concerned if it is dismantled without care it could end up in a lot worse condition than it is in now.???? they are pretty easy to dismantle, it is easy to remove the wings and the horizontal stabiliser/elevator assembly

I heard that by removing the horizontal stabilizers and a few other items that the wings can pull partly out and then fold back against the fuselage.?? not on any of the standard of flap models. It is much easier just to take the wings off because you still need to remove the exact same number of bolts

Could someone direct me to an operator's manual or instructions for accomplishing that?? It would make moving the plane and storing much better while I help him figure out what to do with it.? We may just give it to an EAA chapter as a project plane.??? avoid the liability and give it to the EAA, this is a great idea and could be your best choice

Thank you,

?????????? Rol

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On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 11:47?AM Rol Murrow <rol.murrow@...> wrote:

Thanks, Justin - that helps a lot!

Cheers,

????????? Rol

On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 7:56 AM Justin Gregoris <jgregoris789@...> wrote:

i just purchased a 2008 x air hawk (8 months ago) - with 150 hours on the jabiru 2200 and airframe - from original owner - has mode c transponder and ifr insturments and radio and garmin 296x and sensenich ground adjustable propeller - was asking 36,000CDN but I purchased it for 18,000CDN cash up front in hand. stored inside hangar entire time. profilam covering.?

runs mint and a great airplane!

hope that helps & puts things into perspective.

justin

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Sent: July 6, 2022 7:29 AM
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Subject: Re: [XAIR] Value of X-air standard

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I think it would be most important to find paperwork for certification and Special Air Worthiness Certificate.

I have seen an X-Air Standard ?in the past that was never "papered up" and unfortunately I really don't want to dismantle one

?for a "miscellaneous parts / and plans" EAB program for Light Sport Aircraft, etc. ?

Maybe find a dataplate and certificates from a wrecked but not decertified X-Air?

Just my humble thoughts, legal or not is a question!

Jackye

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Confirmed Rol.

Bill

My research leads me to believe the X-Air standard with the high mounted engine does not have wings that fold, but can only be removed.? Could someone verify that?

Thanks,

??? Rol