For Sale: WW D-9 in Wreath Parlor and D-9 Geared Hand Crank
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I joined this group ages ago when Daddy Dean from Quebec and Miller from Tennessee were my heroes. They were never too busy to answer questions and share their knowledge and enthusiasm. I saw that my photo album for my "W&W D-9 Parlor Cabinet" still existed as it was moved by Daddy Dean when this W&W group transitioned to Groups.io. Today, I added a second album for my "W&W D-9 Geared Hand Crank" as well. I live in WA state 100 miles directly north of Seattle and I would like to sell both of these machines. I am hopeful that someone in this group might be interested. Local pickup would be best for both items, especially the wreath bearing parlor cabinet. Please check out the W&W "Photos" directory by sorting on "date updated" and they will appear side by side as I updated them on 3/29/2025 and 3/30/2025. Thank you for looking, Jacqueline
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welcome new members!
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Don't worry -- I won't call you out by name, and make you stand up and tell us about yourselves. ;-) But if you feel like introducing yourself, and as importantly, a machine or two, I'll bet no one here would mind! It's not like we're suffering from too much traffic. :-) :-/ And we all like looking at pictures. (It really does seem like FB has sucked much of the life out of mailing lists / forums like this one. You'd never know there are almost 450 subscribers here!) paul =---------------------- paul fox, pgf@... (arlington, ma, where it's 43.0 degrees)
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W&W #5 Free-arm treadle, ca 1865
Paul's note welcoming new members prompted me to finally post some pictures of an unusual W&W in our collection - the #5 free-arm. This machine has a serial number dating it to ca 1865, according to Grace Rogers Cooper's work. The machine is based on the earlier design of the curved-needle #1 and #3 machines, but the front and back horizontal shafts have been extended to allow it to function as a free-arm. It uses the same rotating hook and bobbin as the #1/#3 machines. Pictures have been added in the photos section. (Didn't get them loaded in quite the intended order! Please refer to the number preceding the name for the order in which they were intended to be seen.) What's a bit unusual about the machine is that the orientation of the presser-foot and feed is unchanged from the original #1/#3 design. It still feeds from left to right. So, in practice, the operator has to feed the work (a sleeve lets say) onto the free-arm (under the presser foot), before starting to sew. If there's another way to operate this machine, I have yet to figure it out. A short video clip showing this machine in action can be found on You-Tube: https://youtu.be/DIaKT75HuoY Photos show the machine and the treadle after conservation. The gold accents on the treadle irons are original. If anyone knows of another example of this machine, would love to hear about it.
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Photo Notifications
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John Lowrey <john_p_lowrey@...> added the photo album John's W&W #5 free-arm on original treadle : This machine was based on the earlier design of the curved-needle W&W #1 & #2 machine. One can see from the top view pictures with the covers removed, the free-arm was made possible by extending the front and back shafts of the earlier #1/#3 design. This machine bears a serial number dating to approximately 1865 (per Grace Rogers Cooper). Link to video of machine in operation: https://youtu.be/DIaKT75HuoY The following photos have been uploaded to the John's W&W #5 free-arm on original treadle photo album of the [email protected] group. 1 W&W #5 treadle - front view.jpg 2 W&W #5 free-arm head - front view.jpg 3 W&W #5 free-arm head.jpg 4 W&W #5 free-arm head on original treadle - rear view.jpg 5 W&W #4 free-arm head - rear-view.jpg 6 W&W #5 free-arm head on original treadle - right-side view.jpg 7 W&W #5 free-arm head on original treadle base.jpg 8 View of W&W #5 from left side.jpg 9 Rotating hook & bobbin of W&W #5.jpg 10 Top view of W&W #5 with covers removed.jpg 11 Top view of W&W #5 with covers removed - from left side.jpg By: John Lowrey <john_p_lowrey@...>
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18 photos uploaded
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The following photos have been uploaded to the Ozzwill¡¯s stuff photo album of the [email protected] group. IMG_1353.jpeg IMG_1350.jpeg IMG_1317.jpeg IMG_1313.jpeg IMG_1308.jpeg IMG_0938.png IMG_1245.jpeg IMG_1213.jpeg Resized_Resized_20241022_115707_1729623435442_1729623502594.jpeg Resized_Resized_20241018_173416_1729298065898_1729298067386.jpeg IMG_1153.jpeg IMG_1082.jpeg IMG_0828.jpeg IMG_1013.jpeg IMG_0976.jpeg IMG_0938.jpeg IMG_0753.jpeg IMG_0646.jpeg By: Ozzwill <Oscarbwill@...>
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Hello from SoCal
I am a new guy here after starting my collection a few years ago when I retired (2018). I currently have 21 various vintage machines, mostly treadles and I sew on them routinely. Most of my machines were gifted to me, some are ¡°rescues¡± and some just purchased because their sub-$50 price tag was impossible to resist. Everything I own came to me in a sad state, very few required just cleaning and oiling. I am 77 years old and a former classic car/ hot rod guy that earlier in life competed in motorsports of different types. I always built my own stuff, fabricated what ever I needed. I still have my original hot rod, a 1935 Ford that is a daily driver, my wife has a 1923 Ford hot rod truck with a flathead V-8 that she built. My shop setup now leans toward my sewing machine passion¡.no more heavy car parts. I plan to learn as much as possible with my entry into this expert filled group. Thank you, Oscar AKA Ozzwill
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D9
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I just found my grandmother¡¯s D9. It¡¯s pretty complete, but no needle. What kind do I need? Thanks for any info.
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Introduction
Hi All! I have just one WW, a D12 B. The serial number is 137475. I just finished getting it cleaned and oiled, and it makes a fine stitch. I love the operator position, it is so comfortable to be positioned directly in front of the needle. I haven't looks at the threads here yet, but if there is any information on narrowing down the date of production, based on purchase agreements, sales receipts, etc, I'd like to dial in a range more specific than 1887-1905. Cheers! Lori
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Needle Clamp Screw Size
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Does anyone know what the diameter and thread the needle clamp screw on a D9 is? The one in the clamp on mine has been used so long that the rounded end is now flat and about 1/8" too short. I'd like to find a replacement that will hold the needle in the clamp.
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Need a needle bar part
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Hi, it's ziggy yet again. Got the #9 together, table and irons are polished and spiffy, aaaaannnnd.... I realize there is no screw to hold the needle in the bar. sigh. If anybody's got one they're willing to part with, or if you know of a source, please let me know! Thanks, Ziggy
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Quick question re: WW 9
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Hi all, greetings from the Black Fly Republic! Working on cleaning up our first #9 and note that there is a brake. It was tied up out of the way when we got it--somebody apparently wanted to go backwards--but it doesn't work so well. From the looks of the remnants, it appears that something was nailed to the bottom of the wooden brake--felt? Would appreciate any input. Lord knows I need the brake on these things! Thanks, Ziggy
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Unusual Wheeler Wilson's #4 and #11
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Thanks for the add to the group! I've been restoring antique sewing machines and other pre1950 mechanical items for 20yrs now and I recently purchased a couple of rare Wheeler and Wilson sewing machines: an 1859 #11 sn#14114 and a 1867 #4 sn#301579...I've spent hours researching online and find virtually nothing on either machine so any input is welcome...I'll be posting pictures etc on the W&W FB page later this week - I'll post pics here once I figure it out lol...one of the machines even has handmade models of an attachment that's stamped "patent applied"
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Name for a D9 part
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Hi, I would like to know what the collar and screw that hold the needle on the machine are called. I ordered MY 1014 B needles, but the screw is worn out and flat on the end so it doesn't reach far enough to hold the needle in. My technician says it should be longer and rounded. I'd like to find a replacement so I can try to sew with the machine. I don't know what to search for. Thanks for any help, Cathy
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D9, needs some work¡
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I¡¯ve inherited a W&W D9 from my mother-in-law. This is the treadle version still in the original tiger oak seven drawer table. It¡¯s pretty beat, but it is still VERY cool. i just downloaded the manual and need to learn how to take the bobbin out. Some of the accessories and one needle were left in the drawers. The belt for the treadle drive is just shot, in pieces due to age and non-use. Won¡¯t be able to play with it right away because we are trying to move, but I cleaned surface crud and packed/wrapped it to stay safe in the meantime. Does anyone know of a good place to buy replacement treadle belts? I¡¯m currently in Texas, but moving back to Florida. Here are some pictures:
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Introduction
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Hello all, I am Suzann, and I rent an old farmhouse that has a D9 Wheeler and Wilson treadle in it. I am hoping to be able to fix it up and get it running. My landlord's daughter-in-law is going to help me. It's been sitting for years, but is in a cabinet with the treadle, so I am optimistic. I was hoping to find a manual somewhere. I am hoping that replacing the belt and cleaning it up and oiling it will fix most of it. Suzann
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Total Novice with my D9 treadle
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Hi, I just purchased a D9 at a yard sale. I have sewed for a long time, but never on a treadle. My machine needs a cleaning and oiling which I hope my sewing machine technician will be able to do. I'm also having the cabinet get some tlc. Please what needle system does it use? HA1, 15x705, Singer? Does it use a special bobbin? I did find a few pdfs of the manual so I will print and read those cover to cover. Thank you for letting me join and become more knowledgeable about my new machine. Cathy
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Threading
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Hey all. I¡¯m having issues with threading my 9. I¡¯ve followed the manual but it¡¯s just not working for me. I¡¯ve attached a link to photos that will hopefully help. I realize I haven¡¯t finished threading the machine in the first pics, but the first two are just to show how I¡¯m threading the thread guide since it¡¯s the problem area. The third photo is showing what happens to the thread in the thread guide when I try to thread the rest of the machine. It gets pulled and then slips off to the side. The final photo is a pic of all of it threaded. You can see the problem I¡¯m running into with the thread guide there as well. This is making the thread constantly break! I¡¯ve watched many videos in the event that I¡¯m threading it wrong but it appears everyone threads it the same as I do¡ Thank you for any help. I hope the link works! edit: I don¡¯t thread the machine with the presser foot down. I had lowered it for the photos just by reflex. I thread with the presser foot up every time. https://imgur.com/a/cRmVRtB
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Jon Helig?
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I recently bought a 9W7, and just broke the only needle I had. I've seen several places online that Jon Helig is the person to buy 9W7 needles from, but all of the store links seem to be broken. Is he no longer doing business? Thank you! Sarah
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Free: W&W mirror-front parlor cabinet
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Confession: I kind of screwed up a week or two ago, because I don't know enough about the differences between the No.9 variants. It turns out that some cabinets made specifically for the D-9 won't hold the earlier No.9. In particular, the nice little mirror-front treadle cabinet I picked up won't hold my 1889 No.9. (The big iron snout that supports the bobbin case clamp, and the curved extended slide plate, both interfere.) You'd think I'd know better! And ... also ... it turns out I've even more out of room than I thought I was. Oops. I'll attach one picture here, but there are more at my website: https://projects.foxharp.net/sewing_machines/index.html#wheeler-and-wilson-mirror-cabinet It's not very big, just 18"x22" and under 29" high. (It's a sibling to the "bookcase" cabinet, if you've seen one of those.) It had some loose veneer on the top that I've hide-glued back down, to keep it from getting damaged further. The whole cabinet has a bit of rake to it, which keeps the door from closing properly without a bit of a tug, but it's fine otherwise. All the treadle bits are there, and the mirror is in good shape. And did I mention it's free? So: help me get this thing out of my garage! Anyone in the northeast (say, anywhere northeast of New Jersey) interested? Please say yes! :-) I may even be able to help with transport. paul =---------------------- paul fox, pgf@... (arlington, ma, where it's 81.7 degrees)
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Woodworm - IF YOU CAN'T STAND THE HEAT, GET OUT OF THE KITCHEN
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Hi Sorry I seem to have a lot to say, my third topic, I guess I am a bit like a BUS I picked up one of my machines and on the floor was dust powdered wood The base was off a 1950 singer and paper covered, under the paper was like a maze of tracks https://photos.app.goo.gl/y6YF6D7Q5Uds6bfa8 It was stored in a shed before it was given to me, the Singer 185K was in good condition. Woodworm in one of my bases was solved using this method, it just fitted diagonally when I took out the shelfs I left it a few hours at 70''C (web link below says kill them with 50'C) https://plantura.garden/uk/pests/woodworms/woodworms-profile "Treating woodworm with heat" For bigger items people have put them in the back of a car on a hot day. or in the garden in a black bag to stop the sunlight damaging the finish. The base for my machine had to be glued back together and re finished since the heat will / may damage Hyde glue and Shellac varnish finish Always makes me think of https://slate.com/technology/2012/06/ray-bradbury-death-does-paper-really-burn-at-451-degrees-fahrenheit.html I have a WW9 and a WW8 UK version different hand wheel configuration. Across the base this machine was warped because of oil impregnation all the best John
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