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W&W D9 Needles Replacement. 9
Hello, I'm from Italy so I apologize for my English. I recently bought my first sewing machine, a D9. I like it very much,and while cleaning the needle, a 127x1, it broke in my hands. It's my first machine, I've never used one, and I didn't know the needle was so fragile. I looked for 127x1 for sale but I only found something in the United States and between shipping and taxes it would cost me too much,and anyway would not be a definitive solution,which can only be the possibility of needles of common diffusion. So i'd like to know if there is a real alternative that does not affect the proper functioning of the machine. Reading a discussion,i tought i understood that the possible alternatives would be the MY1014 and DBX1 needles, but i don't understand if these are really 100% compatible, and if these would have with a D9 the same performance as 127x1. Excluding the bar mod,has anyone extensively tested these needles on a D9 .. or found a definitive solution? Thanks Mario
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New acquisition 10
Brought home this cute D9 yesterday. W&W's are somewhat rare to find in my area--this is only the fourth decent W&W that I've seen for sale locally in several years. The machine has some minor cosmetic issues but the mechanics were spinning within 5 minutes of the initial oiling, as expected. The seller purchased the machine 30 or 40 years ago basically to use the cabinet as a lamp stand. He was amazed that anyone would really want to sew on it.
Started by Roxy @ · Most recent @
W&W D9 / Singer 9W Bobbins Available
I have some beautiful, newly made Wheeler & Wilson D9 and early Singer 9W bagel bobbins for sale. These were made from steel using a CNC lathe. The bobbins are made from steel. The price is $10 per bobbin. Each is warrantied good. Please email me at JLHMNJ@... Jon
Started by Jon Helig @
Membership request 5
Hello W&W group people. I'm late responding as I got caught up with my new machine, a Singer 9W that I bought from an auction. It was completely locked up when it arrived so I've had it apart and cleaned, polished and oiled inch by inch as I got familiar with it. The take up spring is broken but everything else is in order including one needle and one bagel bobbin. When I arrive at a solution for the spring we'll see if she'll make a stitch. It's a lovely machine with a fine balanced feel that's different from my Singers. About me... I prefer tinkering with machines to sewing, but I'm going to sew something soon. As soon as I get these machines finished and off the bench. I'm looking forward to participating in the group. Arishia (Cynthia Fuhrman)
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Membership request now spring
Wheeler & Wilsons are the Cadillac of sewing machines. They are delightful to use and wonderfully engineered. Those who remember Ray Sew Slow Waganka, know he gave me my first W&W. He told me ¡°You will love this!¡± He was correct. I own a few industrial W&Ws (#7, 10W and 12W) as well as the curved needle treadles used by shirt manufacturers, #8s, #9s, D9s and #9Ws. One of my #9Ws uses low shank feet. The adapter and the needle bar do not fit on any of my other W&W machines. This machine lives in a Singer tailor style treadle. The combination treadles like silk. W&W manufactured the curved needle sewing machines for 70 years due to manufacturer demand. My 10W must have been dropped and was converted to a hand crank. The take up lever had been broken and the tip was welded/soldered in place. A decade ago, I discovered that a Singer tension spring could be adapted to the 9s and 9Ws. The reverse direction of the spring did not cause a problem. I did need to shorten the ¡°elbow¡± for want of a better word. I showed the process at a RR TOGA, Lake City, MN, a gathering of vintage and antique sewing machine collectors and users. Phyllis in Iowa
Started by Phyllis in Iowa @
Reversing the bobbin winder on a #9 4
My #9 (1889 or so) came to me with a treadle from which the pedal, the pitman, and the band wheel had all been removed. I used to wonder why, until I noticed the three clearly non-factory holes in the pillar, which were almost certainly added to mount a motor. When they added the motor, they likely stripped the irons at the same time. I guess that made sense, to a modern sewist in the 1920s or 30s. More recently I got a new treadle. (This is the one I asked about the other day, missing the drop leaf support arm.) It came with another #9, and when I installed mine in the treadle, I noticed a significant difference: the bobbin winder wheel on my original head sat to the left of the pivot arm, had a tire on it, and rode somewhat off-center on the hand wheel. The wheel on my "new" machine has no tire, sits to the right of the pivot arm, and, probably like all of your #9 machines, the wheel rides on the belt. My conclusion was that when they electrified, they also reversed the bobbin winder in the arm, since there was no longer a belt to drive it. Flipping it side to side let them drive it from the wheel. You can see the two bobbin winders in the first attached picture. I wanted to flip it back, but it's not at all obvious how one removes the bobbin winder from its pivoting arm, and it was a little scary finding out. I tried unscrewing it, by clamping the spindle in the jaws of my drill press, but that got me nowhere. So I decided it must be pressed on. I had a spare I could use from the "new" machine, so I resorted to a hammer. :-) I balanced the wheel on top of the (loose) jaws of my vise, with the spindle hanging down, and used a nail punch and a small hammer to hit the end of the axle. A few taps and I felt it give. It took me more time to find the axle after it fell on the cellar floor than it did to get it out. I cleaned all the pieces (for the first time in many many decades, I'm sure), flipped it around, set the wheel on a block of wood with a small clearance hole for the axle to come through a bit, and tapped it in the other way. So. If your bobbin winder points the wrong way, don't replace it. Just hit it with a hammer. (Carefully. :-) (Many Singer bobbin winders have similar construction. I'll certainly try this trick next time I need to clean one up.) paul =---------------------- paul fox, pgf@... (arlington, ma)
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Treadle drop leaf question 8
I recently got a Wheeler & Wilson treadle table with a drop leaf on the left end. It looks as if the support for the leaf should be a bar of some sort that slides out from a gap above the drawers just under the tabletop. When retracted, it may have extended all the way into the little cubby beside the bobbin area. Can anyone tell me what that support should look like, or be made of? Dimensions? From the opening that it retracted into, it looks like it had just a rectangular cross-section, perhaps 1" x 1/2" (from memory), lying on its side. Which makes me think it might not have been wood, but perhaps steel. paul =---------------------- paul fox, pgf@... (arlington, ma)
Started by Paul Fox @ · Most recent @
Introduction 8
Hello! I was asked to do an introduction so here is mine. I recently purchased an early wheeler and Wilson. I was told it¡¯s an 1872, and needs a bit of work to get it going. I joined this group to learn more about the machine and what parts I¡¯m missing, and how to restore it. I¡¯m excited to learn as much as possible!
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1865 W&W #3 parts available
We've gotten an 1865 #3 head that was spray-painted black. It did not move. I've cleaned it up as well as these old hands will allow, put it back together and it operates as it should. Pretty much everything is there except the collar for the presser lifter (the washer thing with the little tab). Also, the end is chipped off of the dogs. While there is very deep rust on some areas, most of the shiny bits have actually cleaned up fairly well. I have cleaned up the cam, but have not attempted to remove the black spray paint from the leather. Somebody else gets to risk that! The head casting is a good candidate for a total makeover. It's a mess. There is only the slightest vestige of decal left on one post, the rest of the japanning has pretty much disintegrated and been replaced by rust and black spray paint. The frog, connector and needle arm are, finish-wise, rough. There is some japanning left on some of it, but it is in rough condition--also good candidates for a stripping and a fresh start. Items that are in better shape include a brush (!!), the brush check assembly, cam, and most of the presser lift assembly. At any rate, if anyone is interested in any of the bits or in the entire head, please don't hesitate to give a shout. Private email may be the most expeditious for sending photos and pricing, if that's acceptable. Trying to price things reasonably (although comps are really hard to find), but we have to recoup our original outlay and shipping costs. Thanks for your time, Bruce
Started by Bruce Siegmund @
W&W Industrial 10
Hello, all. I've been lurking here for a few months and have so appreciated your wealth of knowledge. I currently have a beautiful W&W 9 in a gorgeous cabinet, a D9 machine head that was rescued from a salvage bin, a working W9 in a Singer cabinet and four early No. 8's with two No. 8 bases. One of the W&W 8 bases is destined to become a conversation piece as it's missing the top and all of the drawers. The other base was professionally stripped of it's wood finish and is nearly pristine--I'm told that its chestnut wood. (I did not have the finish stripped...it arrived here in that condition.) This past weekend, I found a Singer badged cobbler on a Wheeler & Wilson industrial base. Am not finding much info here on W&W industrials. I'm also not finding much info on the so-called Singer cobbler machine head as it doesn't match anything that I find online. I'm thinking that it could be a re-badged W&W from Singer's acquisition...? I read not to post photos here so I just set up a shutterfly account to share photos and am hoping that I'm doing this correctly. Here's the link to my photos. https://link.shutterfly.com/OEST1C0FTjb Thank you all in advance for any information you can provide. Roxy
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Dear no 8!!!
sunday, at end of a pillowcase for small friend, plastic wonder sm tied up t_read..... and anot_er sm suddenly as no feed.. !!! so, i'm off to WONDERFUL no 8!!!!! pillowcase is done and off to friend today.... pardon missin_ letters.... laptop is actin_ silly... judy in so cal
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9W model? 8
For those who have wondered as I did what model Singer 9W they have, this may be useful. I present this as information only from my research experience. The sources below provide information guiding the reader to reach their own conclusion. Upon review of these sources, it is evident authors do not agree with each other. The sources are mostly without documentation so it is impossible to say what is fact or otherwise. Two sources developed their own databases and individuals entered their machine¡¯s information; others relied on serial numbers. The singersewinginfo.co.uk source states, there are no known records existing, serial numbers are of no value regarding the question of model or year of manufacture. Design changes are a clue that helps determine advancement but, because there is so much supposition and very little factual information nothing but a guess can be made. Below are the machine's variations shown in no order of importance. Some links below contain more than one topic about the clues; you have to search around in each site and look for them. style of decorative decals shape or design of bobbin width of bed and supporting hinges location of spool holder location of machine's serial number alphabetic letter in the serial number number of digits in the serial number Singer Sewing Machine Model 9Whttps://www.singersewinginfo.co.uk ? 9w NeedleBar Museum Archive Introductionhttp://www.needlebar.org Singer 9W Survey Results - Needlebarhttp://www.needlebar.org ? main ? survresults ? singer9w Singer Sewing Machine Serial Number Database - ISMACShttp://ismacs.net ? singer_sewing_machine_company [email protected]
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File /BAGEL BOBBIN COMPARISON.pdf uploaded 5 #file-notice
The following files have been uploaded to the Files area of the [email protected] group. /BAGEL BOBBIN COMPARISON.pdf By: goose56@... Description: Bagel Bobbin comparison list for W&W and lookalike bobbins
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Rehoming D9's
Hi everyone, I'm posting for the first time but have enjoyed the knowledge from this group. I live in western Washington state and am moving and needing to rehome a few D9 machines and tables. Thought I'd ask here to see if there is any interest. Autumn
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New to the group-- New (to me) Model No.8 15
Hi There! I just brought home my first Wheeler & Wilson! Its a No.8 in a treadle base. The machine looks like it has not been abused (no scratches, glass foot still intact), but it was stored in a garage so it has some amount of rust. I'm pretty good at restoring 1930's Singers, etc. but I've never tackled anything this old before! I see that they recommended whale oil on these. Is there anything different about removing varnish left by whale oil from varnish left by petroleum oil? I'm going to assume there isn't unless someone here says different... I've got a few newbee questions: 1. Does anyone have a method to create working keys for the coffin top and the drawers? 2. Is the brightwork on these chrome, or nickel plate? 3. Where can one find an extra needle or three? 3a. Also, bobbins, same question... Nice to meet you all! --Sam Here's my girl: Previous owner seems to have assembled the base trestle upside down...
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Wheeler & Wilson D9 Needle Bar Mod for 15x1 needles 4
I found an old post on quiltingboard.com (https://www.quiltingboard.com/7058873-post17.html) talking about modifying the needle bar in order to accommodate 15x1 needles. I have been successful using Groz-Beckert DBX1 needles on my W&W D9 but it's kind of tedious to set the proper height and to have to align the needle manually (although using a vintage Kenmore needle threader helps). Since I recently managed to get a donor machine (W&W D9), I decided to give it a try. I am pleased to report that I was able to modify the needle bar to accommodate 15x1 needles. It was pretty easy and it works great. I tested with a variety of 15x1 needles (Schmetz, Organ, Singer) in different size (11,14 and 16) and also tried with the only 127x1 needle I have with no issue. I didn't try a DBX1 needle as it is even skinnier than the 127x1 and after dressing down the index screw to accommodate the larger diameter of the 15x1 a DBX1 wouldn't be held properly. I used a 2mm (5/64") drill bit on a drill press to enlarge the bore, making sure that I only drill enough so that the shorter 15x1 needle sits at the proper height. Since the 15x1 needle is slightly larger that 2mm, I used a cordless drill with the same drill bit to slightly remove some extra material. I finally grinded the little index screw on a sharpening stone, just enough so that the needle clamp assembly would fit on the needle bar. After reassembling, I checked the timing and it was perfect! On a side note, I noticed that the index screw of the original needle bar seems to be "welded". So I assume that not all D9 can be modified as easily.
Started by Mike Sierra @ · Most recent @
Introduction/Question
Thanks for adding me! I see a number of familiar folks here, so forgive me if some of this stuff is redundant to some of you! My question involves a #3, but would probably apply to any of the pre-#8 models. Has anyone ever ventured to remove the bobbin hook from within the main cam? I've finally gotten this one to turn, but it's still really gummed up, and the rust is so pervasive that a thorough cleaning is going to involve the removal of certain parts. That aspect would be easiest with a nearly-complete dissection. I think I grasp how the thing functions, and I realize that re-timing will be required if I manage to disassemble it all, but I don't want to go whacking away at things without some additional guidance. Thanks, and cheers! Bruce
Started by Bruce Siegmund @
New with a project 12W & 9 3
Hi, I'm new here and have a 12W & 9 I was given along with a number of other machines and loose parts. Right now, I'm very interested in getting the 12W up and running. Any help with locating bobbins, needles, feet, and probably pictures of the insides of yours, would be much appreciated. I'm in MN, USA. Many thanks.
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Singer 9W Missing Needle Thumb Screw 6
I recently acquired a Singer 9W I plan to restore. I notice it is missing the needle thumb screw. Is there a particular one I need to find for this machine? Here is a picture on Flickr . Thanks for your advice!
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Unusual bobbin size help 18
Hi All! I have a question for you folks who are bobbin knowledgeable. I have a bagel bobbin that I thought for sure was an Early #9 but the numbers don't add up It measures Diameter = 0.910 (23.1mm) Thickness = 0.277 (7mm) From the files I have found that an early #8 should measure , Diameter = 1.0" (25.4mm), Thickness = .245" (6.22mm) Do you guys have any thoughts to what this bobbin is or what machine it would go to? Thank you!
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