¿ªÔÆÌåÓý

ctrl + shift + ? for shortcuts
© 2025 Groups.io

Reversing the bobbin winder on a #9


 

My #9 (1889 or so) came to me with a treadle from which the pedal, the
pitman, and the band wheel had all been removed. I used to wonder why,
until I noticed the three clearly non-factory holes in the pillar,
which were almost certainly added to mount a motor. When they added
the motor, they likely stripped the irons at the same time. I guess
that made sense, to a modern sewist in the 1920s or 30s.

More recently I got a new treadle. (This is the one I asked about the
other day, missing the drop leaf support arm.) It came with another
#9, and when I installed mine in the treadle, I noticed a significant
difference: the bobbin winder wheel on my original head sat to the
left of the pivot arm, had a tire on it, and rode somewhat off-center
on the hand wheel. The wheel on my "new" machine has no tire, sits
to the right of the pivot arm, and, probably like all of your #9
machines, the wheel rides on the belt.

My conclusion was that when they electrified, they also reversed
the bobbin winder in the arm, since there was no longer a belt to
drive it. Flipping it side to side let them drive it from the wheel.
You can see the two bobbin winders in the first attached picture.

I wanted to flip it back, but it's not at all obvious how one removes
the bobbin winder from its pivoting arm, and it was a little scary
finding out. I tried unscrewing it, by clamping the spindle in the
jaws of my drill press, but that got me nowhere. So I decided it must
be pressed on. I had a spare I could use from the "new" machine,
so I resorted to a hammer. :-)

I balanced the wheel on top of the (loose) jaws of my vise, with the
spindle hanging down, and used a nail punch and a small hammer to hit
the end of the axle. A few taps and I felt it give. It took me more
time to find the axle after it fell on the cellar floor than it did to
get it out. I cleaned all the pieces (for the first time in many many
decades, I'm sure), flipped it around, set the wheel on a
block of wood with a small clearance hole for the axle to come
through a bit, and tapped it in the other way.

So. If your bobbin winder points the wrong way, don't replace it. Just
hit it with a hammer. (Carefully. :-)

(Many Singer bobbin winders have similar construction. I'll certainly try
this trick next time I need to clean one up.)

paul
=----------------------
paul fox, pgf@... (arlington, ma)


 

Hi Paul,
Not a ? Or comment on the winder, but I did notice your bobbin appears to be different from my machine, or is it the angel of the photo? My bobbins are bagel shaped. Just curiosity mainly!

Thank you. Enid.

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Fox <pgf@...>
To: Wheeler and Wilson-Sewing-Machines <[email protected]>
Sent: Sun, 24 Apr 2022 14:09:29 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Wheeler_and_Wilson-Sewing-Machines] Reversing the bobbin winder on a #9

My #9 (1889 or so) came to me with a treadle from which the pedal, the
pitman, and the band wheel had all been removed. I used to wonder why,
until I noticed the three clearly non-factory holes in the pillar,
which were almost certainly added to mount a motor. When they added
the motor, they likely stripped the irons at the same time. I guess
that made sense, to a modern sewist in the 1920s or 30s.

More recently I got a new treadle. (This is the one I asked about the
other day, missing the drop leaf support arm.) It came with another
#9, and when I installed mine in the treadle, I noticed a significant
difference: the bobbin winder wheel on my original head sat to the
left of the pivot arm, had a tire on it, and rode somewhat off-center
on the hand wheel. The wheel on my "new" machine has no tire, sits
to the right of the pivot arm, and, probably like all of your #9
machines, the wheel rides on the belt.

My conclusion was that when they electrified, they also reversed
the bobbin winder in the arm, since there was no longer a belt to
drive it. Flipping it side to side let them drive it from the wheel.
You can see the two bobbin winders in the first attached picture.

I wanted to flip it back, but it's not at all obvious how one removes
the bobbin winder from its pivoting arm, and it was a little scary
finding out. I tried unscrewing it, by clamping the spindle in the
jaws of my drill press, but that got me nowhere. So I decided it must
be pressed on. I had a spare I could use from the "new" machine,
so I resorted to a hammer. :-)

I balanced the wheel on top of the (loose) jaws of my vise, with the
spindle hanging down, and used a nail punch and a small hammer to hit
the end of the axle. A few taps and I felt it give. It took me more
time to find the axle after it fell on the cellar floor than it did to
get it out. I cleaned all the pieces (for the first time in many many
decades, I'm sure), flipped it around, set the wheel on a
block of wood with a small clearance hole for the axle to come
through a bit, and tapped it in the other way.

So. If your bobbin winder points the wrong way, don't replace it. Just
hit it with a hammer. (Carefully. :-)

(Many Singer bobbin winders have similar construction. I'll certainly try
this trick next time I need to clean one up.)

paul
=----------------------
paul fox, pgf@... (arlington, ma)


Attachments:
ww9_winder_01.jpg: /g/Wheeler_and_Wilson-Sewing-Machines/attachment/4111/0
ww9_winder_04.jpg: /g/Wheeler_and_Wilson-Sewing-Machines/attachment/4111/1


 

enid wrote:
> Hi Paul,
> Not a ? Or comment on the winder, but I did notice your bobbin
> appears to be different from my machine, or is it the angel of the
> photo? My bobbins are bagel shaped. Just curiosity mainly!

Hi Enid --

There are no bobbins in either of my pictures. I think what you're
seeing is the winder wheel lying on its side, after being separated
from its axle. That picture has one complete winder, and one
disassembled.

paul
=----------------------
paul fox, pgf@... (arlington, ma)


 

Ah, I see I thought I could use a different bobbin. Thank you for clearing that up for me.

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Fox <pgf@...>
To: Wheeler and Wilson-Sewing-Machines <[email protected]>
Sent: Sun, 24 Apr 2022 14:44:30 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: Re: [Wheeler_and_Wilson-Sewing-Machines] Reversing the bobbin winder on a #9

enid wrote:
> Hi Paul,
> Not a ? Or comment on the winder, but I did notice your bobbin
> appears to be different from my machine, or is it the angel of the
> photo? My bobbins are bagel shaped. Just curiosity mainly!

Hi Enid --

There are no bobbins in either of my pictures. I think what you're
seeing is the winder wheel lying on its side, after being separated
from its axle. That picture has one complete winder, and one
disassembled.

paul
=----------------------
paul fox, pgf@... (arlington, ma)