Re: Free: W&W mirror-front parlor cabinet
Paul, I have a nine, but no idea what year it is and whether it not it would fit. I'm just south of Boston in Weymouth MA. If anyone here (or you, Paul) can let me know if it would fit, I'd love to get it out of the ugly case it came in and into that swanky cabinet (if it's still available, and fits).? Here is a link to my Flickr album, pictures of the machine and numbers on it.? https://www.flickr.com/gp/142371257@N02/kqcY2829NX
Thanks in advance, Lisa
On Aug 4, 2024 10:57 AM, Paul Fox <pgf@...> wrote: Confession:? I kind of screwed up a week or two ago, because I don't
know enough about the differences between the No.9 variants.? It turns
out that some cabinets made specifically for the D-9 won't hold the
earlier No.9.
In particular, the nice little mirror-front treadle cabinet I picked
up won't hold my 1889 No.9.? (The big iron snout that supports the
bobbin case clamp, and the curved extended slide plate, both interfere.)
You'd think I'd know better!
And ...? also ...? it turns out I've even more out of room than I
thought I was.? Oops.
I'll attach one picture here, but there are more at my website:
??? https://projects.foxharp.net/sewing_machines/index.html#wheeler-and-wilson-mirror-cabinet
It's not very big, just 18"x22" and under 29" high.? (It's a sibling
to the "bookcase" cabinet, if you've seen one of those.)? It had some
loose veneer on the top that I've hide-glued back down, to keep it
from getting damaged further.? The whole cabinet has a bit of rake to
it, which keeps the door from closing properly without a bit of a tug,
but it's fine otherwise.? All the treadle bits are there, and the
mirror is in good shape.? And did I mention it's free?
So:? help me get this thing out of my garage!? Anyone in the northeast
(say, anywhere northeast of New Jersey) interested?? Please say yes!? :-)
I may even be able to help with transport.
paul
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Free: W&W mirror-front parlor cabinet
Confession: I kind of screwed up a week or two ago, because I don't
know enough about the differences between the No.9 variants. It turns
out that some cabinets made specifically for the D-9 won't hold the
earlier No.9.
In particular, the nice little mirror-front treadle cabinet I picked
up won't hold my 1889 No.9. (The big iron snout that supports the
bobbin case clamp, and the curved extended slide plate, both interfere.)
You'd think I'd know better!
And ... also ... it turns out I've even more out of room than I
thought I was. Oops.
I'll attach one picture here, but there are more at my website:
It's not very big, just 18"x22" and under 29" high. (It's a sibling
to the "bookcase" cabinet, if you've seen one of those.) It had some
loose veneer on the top that I've hide-glued back down, to keep it
from getting damaged further. The whole cabinet has a bit of rake to
it, which keeps the door from closing properly without a bit of a tug,
but it's fine otherwise. All the treadle bits are there, and the
mirror is in good shape. And did I mention it's free?
So: help me get this thing out of my garage! Anyone in the northeast
(say, anywhere northeast of New Jersey) interested? Please say yes! :-)
I may even be able to help with transport.
paul
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paul fox, pgf@... (arlington, ma, where it's 81.7 degrees)
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Re: Woodworm - IF YOU CAN'T STAND THE HEAT, GET OUT OF THE KITCHEN
This is the kind of wood my uncle, a wood turner, use to look for. It could make some beautiful pen and pencil sets. The method you use is the same as I recall him using to then kill the woodworms.?
Carol
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Re: Manuals that have been soaked in oil - how I removed the oil
Hi Cornstarch a much safer method than the gas oven.
I was lucky finding online manuals to read and just preserve the ones that came with the machines.
John
On Sat, 27 Jul 2024 at 14:45, Katharine Retherford via <katr50= [email protected]> wrote: I have a no-smoke method of removing old oil from manuals - it worked on my Hartford's transparent pages. I took my oily Hartford manual & put a good layer of cornstarch between all the pages, slid it into a plastic baggie, put a nice heavy 15 clone in a case on top of it, and let it sit for a couple of months. Then I took it out of the baggie, carefully brushed the old cornstarch off each page, and repeated the process. And a couple of months later I did it again. After the third time I used a very soft cloth to make sure all the cornstarch was out of all the cracks & creases, and I now have a readable manual - the pages are no longer so transparent that you're trying to read both sides at the same time. It may not have needed to sit so long between cornstarch treatments, but I kept forgetting about it!
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Kathy R
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Re: Success photographing old manuals with my phone
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Chair, International Sewing Machine Collectors Society
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Re: Manuals that have been soaked in oil - how I removed the oil
I have a no-smoke method of removing old oil from manuals - it worked on my Hartford's transparent pages. I took my oily Hartford manual & put a good layer of cornstarch between all the pages, slid it into a plastic baggie, put a nice heavy 15 clone in a case on top of it, and let it sit for a couple of months. Then I took it out of the baggie, carefully brushed the old cornstarch off each page, and repeated the process. And a couple of months later I did it again. After the third time I used a very soft cloth to make sure all the cornstarch was out of all the cracks & creases, and I now have a readable manual - the pages are no longer so transparent that you're trying to read both sides at the same time. It may not have needed to sit so long between cornstarch treatments, but I kept forgetting about it!
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Kathy R
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Woodworm - IF YOU CAN'T STAND THE HEAT, GET OUT OF THE KITCHEN
Hi
Sorry I seem to have a lot to say, my third topic, I guess I am a bit like a BUS
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I picked up one of my machines and on the floor was dust powdered wood
The base was off a 1950 singer and paper covered, under the paper was like a maze of tracks?
It was stored in a shed before it was given to me, the Singer 185K was in good condition.
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Woodworm in one of my bases was solved using this method, it just fitted diagonally when I took out the shelfs I left it a few hours at 70''C (web link below says kill them with 50'C)
https://plantura.garden/uk/pests/woodworms/woodworms-profile ?"Treating woodworm with heat"
For bigger items people have put them in the back of a car on a hot day. or in the garden in a black bag to stop the sunlight damaging the finish.
The base for my machine had to be glued back together and re finished since the heat will / may damage Hyde glue and Shellac varnish finish
Always makes me think of
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I have a WW9 and a WW8 UK version different hand wheel configuration. Across the base this machine was warped because of oil impregnation?
all the best
John
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Manuals that have been soaked in oil - how I removed the oil
Hi
Quote
[Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy]
He sees neon signs with messages such as "DO NOT BE ALARMED. BE VERY VERY FRIGHTENED, ARTHUR DENT."
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Some of my old manuals had been kept in the bottom of the machine and soaked in oil making them translucent since the images and text on the back page could be seen through the front page.
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I did find a method to remove the oil contamination by warming it to around 100+ degree centigrade and checking with a cable external meat thermometer?
BTW to make it more exciting my oven is GAS an electric would be safer GOOD ventilation is a MUST you will get smoke
TEST FIRST
Try it with some modern paper wiped with oil so that you can get the method and confidence to put the old manuals in the oven as separate sheets (remove the rusty staples)
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Before I used the oven I had some success with a hot air gun / hairdryer, it took too long and only one page at a time. You can lay quite a few pages on "Wire Cake?Cooling Racks" and put them on the shelves of the oven
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Advice, test with paper that does not matter, to make sure you do not singe it ;-)) like one of my chickens when I did not hear the timer.
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all the best
John
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Success photographing old manuals with my phone
Hi
I did start a reply to a recent WW8 topic and though I should say it here
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I used to work with electronic maps and electrical diagrams for cable layout in the street for phone networks for fault finding. You can't send an engineer massive amounts of diagram data, so optimised graphics was the key; a bit like editing images in the1990s web pages for faster download over a slow modem.?
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I use a windscreen suction cup car phone holder
Mount the camera about 12 inch from a table top on something heavy and shiny I used the water container for my dehumidifier, you need to reduce any vibration of the camera for better results.
Lower the screen resolution of the camera and use masking tape to frame the photo area then you might not need to CROP every image
I was copying Singer industrial books, I just turn the book upside down to photo the right hand page (image rotation later)
I set the camera so I could just touch the screen to take a shot, pressing a button makes vibrations
This method is so much faster than scanning
If you only need to see the image on a computer and not print it then you can use a very low pixel small image and it is perfect for a laptop but wood look terrible if printed.
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Another setup I have seen was a wine box with the opening towards you and with a hole on side (now the top of the box) for the camera and some tape to stop it moving.? You need lighting to make crisper images.
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Example I did in September 2021 Haid & Neu sewing machine Gamages (London store name)
https://photos.app.goo.gl/HU9uZeCjb3Z6aD2w5
The silver twist bar is a cocktail stirrer holding the pages down.??
Ignore the Singer 28, there are two Gamages machines 1/ had bits missing 2/ the other was Ebay and arrived damaged and not working (hinge screw jammed where it shouldn't be)
Serviced and take to my friend for her granddaughter to use, I gave Angela the Singer 28 for sewing alongside her granddaughter.
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All the best
Hope this helps?
John
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Thank you Jim! I haven't had time to clean or work on it yet, but hopefully that will be a good winter project. Working on conserving the paperwork, as the manual is in very fragile condition, with many pages in pieces and the edges flaking off. But it is complete and is worth the effort. Hope to get it scanned and put there to share soon.? Warm wishes, Lisa
On Jul 25, 2024 7:08 PM, James Gillis <Jamesrgillis5@...> wrote: Lisa? thank you for the compliments. That's an impressive No. 8 you have, especially with all the documentation, needles, and goodies.
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Lisa thank you for the compliments. That's an impressive No. 8 you have, especially with all the documentation, needles, and goodies.
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Welcome Jim, and thanks for sharing that beautiful W&W #8 machine and all the notes! What a gorgeous cabinet and machine. I love that it has so much of the original goodies! I recently got one in it's original treadle table, with covers and lots of goodies. Here is a link to my Flickr album if you are interested.? https://www.flickr.com/gp/142371257@N02/8E3946K8bL Best wishes, Lisa (in Massachusetts)
On Jul 25, 2024 1:37 PM, James Gillis <Jamesrgillis5@...> wrote:
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james wrote:
> Hi All, happy to be here and have access to all the great information and
> expertise in this group. Some of you may recognize me by my Victorian
> Sweat Shop user name JRG and signature Jim in Seattle. I have become
Welcome, Jim. You'll find this is a quiet group. :-)
paul
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Hi All, happy to be here and have access to all the great information and expertise in this group. Some of you may recognize me by my Victorian Sweat Shop user name JRG and signature Jim in Seattle. I have become acquainted with several of you through VSS. Among the sewing machines I've accumulated in the last half dozen years are a Wheeler and Wilson No. 8 in a walnut parlor cabinet and two Singer 12W102s, one W&W dress and the other a few years newer and in Singer dress. The second 12W102 came in an industrial treadle and may be the nicest machine to treadle that I have. Here are VSS writeups for the three.
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No. 8 ?
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Singer 12W102 in W&W dress ?
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Singer 12W102 in Singer dress ?
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Cheers,
Jim in Seattle
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Re: Wheeler & Wilson No 8 - How to sell?
Thanks Paul, I'm so used to ISMACS that I forgot there are albums in this group! I'll see if I can figure out how to add an album. When I'm done conserving the manual and scanning it I will add that too. It's complete as well.? Best regards to all, Lisa
On Jun 23, 2024 8:24 AM, Paul Fox <pgf@...> wrote: It's clear that a machine with all that ephemera, and "loot", has fallen
into the right hands!? Congratulations!
Feel free to create a photo album on the group's groups.io page, if you'd
like.
paul
Lisa wrote:
>??? Hi all! I am the proud new owner of the #8 formerly owned by JoshB in this
>??? group. Thanks Josh, she's? wonderful, and looks to be all original and
>??? pretty much complete. It was a pleasure to meet you!
>????? I'd like to share out more photos, including the original paperwork
>??? folks seemed interested in. As a librarian, I am so very interested in the
>??? paperwork. I conserved the paperwork as best as possible, as the papers
>??? were very frail and in pieces. The pictures include the conserved original
>??? bill of sale, dated October 1st, 1879. There is also a salesman's card and
>??? repair receipts. And the original manual as well, which was in many
>??? pieces! I managed to reconstruct it, and I am working on scanning it so I
>??? can share it, if needed, so there arent any pictures from that yet. The 8
>??? also has a lovely set of inscriptions from past owners on the outside of a
>??? drawer. There are so many parts as well, as you can see in the pictures.
>??? Overall, a good, gentle cleaning of machine, table, and irons, along with
>??? some oil, grease, a new belt, and wood care and she is likely to sew well.
>??? Here is the link to my Flickr album with the pictures. Depending in
>??? interest, I will happily share more photos.
>??? https://www.flickr.com/gp/142371257@N02/3m0G67387y
>??? Lisa
>???
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> References
>
>??? Visible links
>??? 1. /g/Wheeler_and_Wilson-Sewing-Machines/message/4379
>??? 2. mailto:[email protected]?subject=Re:%20Re%3A%20%5BWheeler_and_Wilson-Sewing-Machines%5D%20Wheeler%20%26%20Wilson%20No%208%20-%20How%20to%20sell%3F
>??? 3. mailto:Wiklundfamily@...?subject=Private:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5BWheeler_and_Wilson-Sewing-Machines%5D%20Wheeler%20%26%20Wilson%20No%208%20-%20How%20to%20sell%3F
>??? 4. /mt/106530875/1007597
>??? 5. /g/Wheeler_and_Wilson-Sewing-Machines/post
>??? 6. /g/Wheeler_and_Wilson-Sewing-Machines/photos
>??? 7. /g/Wheeler_and_Wilson-Sewing-Machines/editsub/1007597
>??? 8. mailto:[email protected]
>??? 9. /g/Wheeler_and_Wilson-Sewing-Machines/leave/2527678/1007597/960271039/xyzzy
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Re: Wheeler & Wilson No 8 - How to sell?
It's clear that a machine with all that ephemera, and "loot", has fallen into the right hands! Congratulations! Feel free to create a photo album on the group's groups.io page, if you'd like. paul Lisa wrote: > Hi all! I am the proud new owner of the #8 formerly owned by JoshB in this > group. Thanks Josh, she's wonderful, and looks to be all original and > pretty much complete. It was a pleasure to meet you! > I'd like to share out more photos, including the original paperwork > folks seemed interested in. As a librarian, I am so very interested in the > paperwork. I conserved the paperwork as best as possible, as the papers > were very frail and in pieces. The pictures include the conserved original > bill of sale, dated October 1st, 1879. There is also a salesman's card and > repair receipts. And the original manual as well, which was in many > pieces! I managed to reconstruct it, and I am working on scanning it so I > can share it, if needed, so there arent any pictures from that yet. The 8 > also has a lovely set of inscriptions from past owners on the outside of a > drawer. There are so many parts as well, as you can see in the pictures. > Overall, a good, gentle cleaning of machine, table, and irons, along with > some oil, grease, a new belt, and wood care and she is likely to sew well. > Here is the link to my Flickr album with the pictures. Depending in > interest, I will happily share more photos. > > Lisa > > > References > > Visible links > 1. /g/Wheeler_and_Wilson-Sewing-Machines/message/4379 > 2. mailto: [email protected]?subject=Re:%20Re%3A%20%5BWheeler_and_Wilson-Sewing-Machines%5D%20Wheeler%20%26%20Wilson%20No%208%20-%20How%20to%20sell%3F > 3. mailto:Wiklundfamily@...?subject=Private:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5BWheeler_and_Wilson-Sewing-Machines%5D%20Wheeler%20%26%20Wilson%20No%208%20-%20How%20to%20sell%3F > 4. /mt/106530875/1007597 > 5. /g/Wheeler_and_Wilson-Sewing-Machines/post > 6. /g/Wheeler_and_Wilson-Sewing-Machines/photos > 7. /g/Wheeler_and_Wilson-Sewing-Machines/editsub/1007597 > 8. mailto: [email protected] > 9. /g/Wheeler_and_Wilson-Sewing-Machines/leave/2527678/1007597/960271039/xyzzy=---------------------- paul fox, pgf@... (arlington, ma, where it's 64.8 degrees)
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Re: Wheeler & Wilson No 8 - How to sell?
Hi all! I am the proud new owner of the #8 formerly owned by JoshB in this group. Thanks Josh, she's? wonderful, and looks to be all original and pretty much complete. It was a pleasure to meet you! ? I'd like to share out more photos, including the original paperwork folks seemed interested in. As a librarian, I am so very interested in the paperwork. I conserved the paperwork as best as possible, as the papers were very frail and in pieces. The pictures include the conserved original bill of sale, dated October 1st, 1879. There is also a salesman's card and repair receipts. And the original manual as well, which was in many pieces! I managed to reconstruct it, and I am working on scanning it so I can share it, if needed, so there arent any pictures from that yet. The 8 also has a lovely set of inscriptions from past owners on the outside of a drawer. There are so many parts as well, as you can see in the pictures. Overall, a good, gentle cleaning of machine, table, and irons, along with some oil, grease, a new belt, and wood care and she is likely to sew well. Here is the link to my Flickr album with the pictures. Depending in interest, I will happily share more photos.? https://www.flickr.com/gp/142371257@N02/3m0G67387y
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Re: Wheeler & Wilson No 8 - How to sell?
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Re: Wheeler & Wilson No 8 - How to sell?
Serial 139563, 1879.? Tidbit filed for later dating reference since there seems to be so little W&W dating information available.
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Calvin Armerding
Chair, International Sewing Machine Collectors Society
"Bother" said Pooh, as he connected at 14.4kbps
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