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Re: Oil pan replacement
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýThe other option ¡ find a machinist who can weld the crap out of it , then cut new threads. Not easy in this digital/virtual/snowflake day and age but not impossible. ?On Jun 4, 2022, at 16:46, Bob Lombardi <chiplom@...> wrote:
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Re: Oil pan replacement
Bob Lombardi
One time I made a modified drain plug for a Honda 150 I acquired in a deal for another bike.?? Someone had overtightened the original plug and stripped the threads in the engine case. My fix was to take the old plug out and drill a new hole in it in the center.?? The hole was sized for a tapered pipe plug.?? I tapped the hole for the pipe plug. ? The tapered pipe plug now became my new drain plug. The stripped plug was epoxied into the old drain hole with JB Weld.?? Epoxy will withstand the heat and the oil.?? I once actually epoxied a chunk of engine case in a Honda 90 that had thrown a chain and took out some of the engine case. The epoxied piece of engine case held up even with the hot oil sitting on it.?? I sold the bike that way after driving it around for a couple of months. Just make sure you clean well around the parts you are sticking together.?? Of course you end up with a modified smaller drain,? so the oil doesn't come out as fast with you change the oil,? but it's a cheap fix and it doesn't cost much to do it.?? You'll be riding the next day. My 2 cents on the powdercoat idea is that the oil pan radiates heat from the oil.?? Personally,? I would not add any heat barrier to the outside of the pan.?? Maybe the powder coat doesn't change this too much,? I don't know.?? Just saying my preference would be to wire brush it instead and not coat it. Bob
On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 09:08:44 AM PDT, Rev <keith.kkr@...> wrote:
David, I am not a motor mechanic but I replaced the oil pan on my 1999 W
a few years ago. I took on this task after realising that the oil
drain thread had been stripped by an over zealous real mechanic.
On removing the pan and looking at the thread from the inside it
was no wonder. I tried two different re-threading solutions but
neither worked because of the lack of threads and material on one
side. I posted a photo on the group site. The pan its self is
rather thin material and therefore redrilling and fitting a new
drain, I would suggest, is not a viable solution. I do not have a bike lift or any fancy tools but following the W650 Manual I managed the removal with no difficulty without removing the Exhaust pipes. Just make sure you clean the are and lay the bolts out so that they are replaced in the same location. When I had obtained the new pan it was plain uncoated aluminium and so I decided to get it Powder Coated. Replacing the pan was no problem although I would emphasise that cleanliness and applying a new seal and sealant with care are important. One other thing is to take note of the position on the Oil Breather tube a the rear end. Then using a non-permanent locking agent, torque the bolts as indicated in the manual. It is also useful to have a comfortable seat and pot of tea available for some relaxation between processes as it is not a job that should be rushed. Keith On 13/04/2021 20:49, dvdberman via
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Re: Oil pan replacement
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýDavid, I am not a motor mechanic but I replaced the oil pan on my 1999 W
a few years ago. I took on this task after realising that the oil
drain thread had been stripped by an over zealous real mechanic.
On removing the pan and looking at the thread from the inside it
was no wonder. I tried two different re-threading solutions but
neither worked because of the lack of threads and material on one
side. I posted a photo on the group site. The pan its self is
rather thin material and therefore redrilling and fitting a new
drain, I would suggest, is not a viable solution. I do not have a bike lift or any fancy tools but following the W650 Manual I managed the removal with no difficulty without removing the Exhaust pipes. Just make sure you clean the are and lay the bolts out so that they are replaced in the same location. When I had obtained the new pan it was plain uncoated aluminium and so I decided to get it Powder Coated. Replacing the pan was no problem although I would emphasise that cleanliness and applying a new seal and sealant with care are important. One other thing is to take note of the position on the Oil Breather tube a the rear end. Then using a non-permanent locking agent, torque the bolts as indicated in the manual. It is also useful to have a comfortable seat and pot of tea available for some relaxation between processes as it is not a job that should be rushed. Keith On 13/04/2021 20:49, dvdberman via
groups.io wrote:
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Re: Fw: Installing new oil pan
mts "do some framework" David? Lakes Area Oakland County , MI 2000-W "Create the sequence of goodness, and the consequences will always be good."
On Saturday, June 4, 2022, 02:43:55 AM EDT, david berman <dvdberman@...> wrote:
The last time I had my lady up to my bud's pole barn we put'r on his lift to do so frame work & wrap the headers. And the only pia seems to be having to drop the exhausts to free up enough working space to easily access the pan.? Off topic: funny world ? we live in when it's easier to get an oil pan from Japan than it is to get baby formula.? David? Lakes Area Oakland County , MI 2000-W "Create the sequence of goodness, and the consequences will always be good."
On Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 01:41:26 PM EDT, Sal Emma <bikewriter@...> wrote:
Following - curious - nothing to offer except -good luck-? On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 1:27 PM dvdberman via <dvdberman=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Fw: Installing new oil pan
The last time I had my lady up to my bud's pole barn we put'r on his lift to do so frame work & wrap the headers. And the only pia seems to be having to drop the exhausts to free up enough working space to easily access the pan.? Off topic: funny world ? we live in when it's easier to get an oil pan from Japan than it is to get baby formula.? David? Lakes Area Oakland County , MI 2000-W "Create the sequence of goodness, and the consequences will always be good."
On Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 01:41:26 PM EDT, Sal Emma <bikewriter@...> wrote:
Following - curious - nothing to offer except -good luck-? On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 1:27 PM dvdberman via <dvdberman=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Off topic... Sorta. Bike Bandit bankruptcy
I'll check out the schematic and lyk. But I'm kinda doubtful ? because of the larger displacement on the 800. Also, I highly recommend a Stalbus check valve vs the standard drain plug not only because of the no mess oil changes. But perhaps more importantly you'll never have to worry about over-tightening the drain plug (even if by hand). All, on account of the short sleeved (and less that 360 degree) threading of the pan's drain hole itself. And John, if you're still out there, how the heck have you been? And know I can't wait to get back in the saddle to enjoy ? the lovely melodic tones of my Fish ? Pipes ? All the best to all,? David? Lakes Area Oakland County , MI 2000-W "Create the sequence of goodness, and the consequences will always be good."
On Friday, June 3, 2022, 02:24:31 AM EDT, John Whit <whitj@...> wrote:
Wouldnt a pan from a W800 work?
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Re: Off topic... Sorta. Bike Bandit bankruptcy
Me too. I've ordered stuff from Martin Fischer's W650 Shop, but the shipping for his more expensive items is reasonable, especially if you can buy them when the Euro is down in value compared to the dollar. I'm sure the cost of an oil pan¡ªsomething I hope I never have to replace ¡ªis similarly enough to outweigh any extra shipping costs.
Completely off topic: I have a region-free Blu Ray player and order films from used media shops the UK that are cheaper than buying new in the US when you factor in the exchange rate of the pound. I buy old Soviet military vacuum tubes from Ukraine, though the price of those has risen dramatically since the war started. |
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Re: Off topic... Sorta. Bike Bandit bankruptcy
Bob Lombardi
It's all in Japan,? but it does work and they are fast if they have the parts. They probably get orders from all over the world. Hell, I've ordered W650 parts from Germany and the UK,? also China. Got them all. Bob
On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 07:01:44 PM PDT, Tom Herling <thomasjherling@...> wrote:
Is there only the Japanese site for Webike or is there a site for the US? Googling gets me this:? If that's the one, from Japan, the shipping seems to outweigh any parts cost savings, E.g., a part I recently bought, an oil seal for the kick starter?92049-1406?is $2.20 plus $16.17., unless, of course, it's reasonable for a large shipment. I've been ordering parts from Partzilla.com. On their site the same oil seal is?$4.81 plus $9.95 shipping. They also offer free shipping for orders of $149 or more. ?? I used to go with ronayers.com when I lived in the east but now that I'm on the West Coast, Partzilla's California shipping location gets parts to me a few days quicker than Ron Ayers, which is in North Carolina. One thing I like about ronayers.com and partzilla.com is that they have the standard Kawasaki fiche pages, which come in handy when you're putting something back together. The manual shows the same exploded view but with no part numbers. I've recall having pretty good luck with Chapparal and Dennis Kirk for aftermarket and non-OEM stuff. |
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Re: Off topic... Sorta. Bike Bandit bankruptcy
Is there only the Japanese site for Webike or is there a site for the US? Googling gets me this:?
If that's the one, from Japan, the shipping seems to outweigh any parts cost savings, E.g., a part I recently bought, an oil seal for the kick starter?92049-1406?is $2.20 plus $16.17., unless, of course, it's reasonable for a large shipment. I've been ordering parts from Partzilla.com. On their site the same oil seal is?$4.81 plus $9.95 shipping. They also offer free shipping for orders of $149 or more. ?? I used to go with ronayers.com when I lived in the east but now that I'm on the West Coast, Partzilla's California shipping location gets parts to me a few days quicker than Ron Ayers, which is in North Carolina. One thing I like about ronayers.com and partzilla.com is that they have the standard Kawasaki fiche pages, which come in handy when you're putting something back together. The manual shows the same exploded view but with no part numbers. I've recall having pretty good luck with Chapparal and Dennis Kirk for aftermarket and non-OEM stuff. |
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Re: Fuel Tank Issues
Update: This part was available and arrived in a week. $6 and two minutes later my problem was solved.? |
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Re: Fw: Installing new oil pan
Following - curious - nothing to offer except -good luck-? On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 1:27 PM dvdberman via <dvdberman=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Off topic... Sorta. Bike Bandit bankruptcy
Bob Lombardi
I have ordered from webike before and have always been satisfied with their prices & shipping. They send orders out quickly too. Bob
On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 10:06:31 AM PDT, dvdberman via groups.io <dvdberman@...> wrote:
As a reliable alternative to those "Bandits", may I recommend Webike. I recently had an extremely positive experience with them. I'm replacing my oil pan, the part has been discontinued, and I had no luck finding it in any warehouse either stateside or across either pond : ( So I thought I'd give Webike a try. I figured being in Japan they may have access to get stowed away parts directly from Kawasaki. AND THEY DID? : ) ! I ordered it May 23rd & it arrived by DHL yesterday. Also, the total cost (with shipping) was near exactly what? I would have paid had the pan been available through a local Kaw shop had it been available to them. Also, their website was extremely user friendly. As far as installation of the pan is concerned, I'm starting a separate thread on that one.? Cheers, David? Lakes Area Oakland County , MI 2000-W "Create the sequence of goodness, and the consequences will always be good."
On Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 10:59:51 AM EDT, TheGoinPostieBike via groups.io <nebraska650@...> wrote:
Thank you for that heads up. John H. in Omaha On May 31, 2022, at 10:46 PM, Bob Lombardi <chiplom@...> wrote:
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Fw: Installing new oil pan
Over the years I've tried several fixes for a leaking drain plug but none have
stood the test of time. I've got a Stalbus I've? wanted to install as a reliable permanent fix but I decided to hold off on that until I either replaced the pan or removed it to see if I could go the Helicoil or similar route. My question is are they any "Dos" or "Don'ts" when removing & replacing the pan. ? David? Lakes Area Oakland County , MI 2000-W "Create the sequence of goodness, and the consequences will always be good." |
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Re: Off topic... Sorta. Bike Bandit bankruptcy
As a reliable alternative to those "Bandits", may I recommend Webike. I recently had an extremely positive experience with them. I'm replacing my oil pan, the part has been discontinued, and I had no luck finding it in any warehouse either stateside or across either pond : ( So I thought I'd give Webike a try. I figured being in Japan they may have access to get stowed away parts directly from Kawasaki. AND THEY DID? : ) ! I ordered it May 23rd & it arrived by DHL yesterday. Also, the total cost (with shipping) was near exactly what? I would have paid had the pan been available through a local Kaw shop had it been available to them. Also, their website was extremely user friendly. As far as installation of the pan is concerned, I'm starting a separate thread on that one.? Cheers, David? Lakes Area Oakland County , MI 2000-W "Create the sequence of goodness, and the consequences will always be good."
On Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 10:59:51 AM EDT, TheGoinPostieBike via groups.io <nebraska650@...> wrote:
Thank you for that heads up. John H. in Omaha On May 31, 2022, at 10:46 PM, Bob Lombardi <chiplom@...> wrote:
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John H. in Omaha 2000 W650 2006 Vino 125 1981 CT110 ¡°The Goin¡¯ Postie Bike!¡± |
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Re: Off topic... Sorta. Bike Bandit bankruptcy
As a reliable alternative to those "Bandits", may I recommend Webike. I recently had an extremely positive experience with them. I'm replacing my oil pan, the part has been discontinued, and I had no luck finding it in any warehouse either stateside or across either pond : ( So I thought I'd give Webike a try. I figured being in Japan they may have access to get stowed away parts directly from Kawasaki. AND THEY DID? : ) ! I ordered it May 23rd & it arrived by DHL yesterday. Also, the total cost (with shipping) was near exactly what? I would have paid had the pan been available through a local Kaw shop had it been available to them. Also, their website was extremely user friendly. As far as installation of the pan is concerned, I'm starting a separate thread on that one.? Cheers, David? Lakes Area Oakland County , MI 2000-W "Create the sequence of goodness, and the consequences will always be good."
On Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 10:59:51 AM EDT, TheGoinPostieBike via groups.io <nebraska650@...> wrote:
Thank you for that heads up. John H. in Omaha On May 31, 2022, at 10:46 PM, Bob Lombardi <chiplom@...> wrote:
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