Re: Exhausts & retro noise
Thanks, Grant, I didn't get your message, had to visit the site.
Would love to look you up if & when I'm over.
Ruari
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Hi Ruari, I saw you posting about the posh exhaust system, from the info I have found on Japanese web sites the posh comes as an entire
system with a new single wall header pipe which will blue, the cost is
about 106,000 yen last I saw. If you want anything from Japan talk to
the people at Windbell motorcycles in North Van. Their # is
604-990-9876 e-mail is www.jpgreybike.com. I got my tt100's there and
they said they could import most parts from Japan. I live in surrey if
you are comming over give me a call at 604-501-1448. By the way my
name is Grant, good luck.
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Try All=Street+Trial+Flat+MX
OK, you UK greenlaners and mud scramblers, Go here, scroll down to the
video whose title is above on the Subject line, and someone tell me -
What bike is he riding, What class of bike does it belong to, and how
does one train for that??? Pedal bikes?
Ruari
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?Corrosion of internal?ear parts, maybe? Buildup of crud and
carbon, maybe?
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 6:25
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Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re:
[W650riders] Exhaust
It's an odd thing but we have noticed the W's sounds-better-with-miles
syndrome, too. Anybody have any idea why that happens? Corrosion of internal
baffle parts, maybe? Buildup of crud and carbon, maybe?
On 7/3/07, Chris
Spence <chspence@cogeco.ca> wrote:
Personally, I would not
recommend messing around with the Stock Exhaust by trying to punch holes in
it.
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Re: Exhausts & retro noise
Ruari
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Kazu, a Japanese W owner, used to have a vid on line of his W
with Daiwa mufflers, and it sounded great. I don't know if he still has it up on
his web pages.
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Dennis
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Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 12:06
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Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: Exhausts
& retro noise
Yes, I'm not too terribly keen on it.?
Especially if it gives a "knackered Honda twin" sound!? The options for a
poor WRider who wants a teardrop "burgess" style muffler, (failing mounting a
campaign for real copper undercoating at Armours), seem to include various
pigs in pokes such as ;?
Emgos 1962-70 Triumph;? they are, I
think,?what Bella Corse & Specialty Spares uses
Japanese such as POSH W1? full; Daytona
Triumph; Daiwa etc.,
Norman Hyde Toga
Some English maker - starts with a "W" can't
remember
Stainless etc from Staintune,? Thunderbike,
Harris,etc.
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Part of the problem is how do you know what
fits?? They all refer confusingly to old Triumphs etc., see for
example:
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Ruari
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Re: Exhausts & retro noise
These are the Dunstalls that were oem fitted by
Triumph VERY briefly in the early '70's. My T100R had these. Most people don't
realise they were ever factory fitted!
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As far as the others go...Any 1and ?3/8ths
inch Burgess. The FishPipes were Burgess 'Blanks' which had W650 fittings welded
on before chroming. You'll need universal types but don't buy Toga, they are not
robust enough...I've seen a sectioned one...
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Jon
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Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 8:06
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Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: Exhausts
& retro noise
Yes, I'm not too terribly keen on it.?
Especially if it gives a "knackered Honda twin" sound!? The options for a
poor WRider who wants a teardrop "burgess" style muffler, (failing mounting a
campaign for real copper undercoating at Armours), seem to include various
pigs in pokes such as ;?
Emgos 1962-70 Triumph;? they are, I
think,?what Bella Corse & Specialty Spares uses
Japanese such as POSH W1? full; Daytona
Triumph; Daiwa etc.,
Norman Hyde Toga
Some English maker - starts with a "W" can't
remember
Stainless etc from Staintune,? Thunderbike,
Harris,etc.
?
Part of the problem is how do you know what
fits?? They all refer confusingly to old Triumphs etc., see for
example:
?
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Ruari
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Hmm...Novel idea, take a retro design and retro it
even further.
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Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: bring back
the w650 to the us - Petition
Here it is. The completely upgraded, blown, fuel injected 2008
W900.
(Hee
hee.)
Hey - why is the engine mounted sideways?!
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mnthope, JC Whitney has separate baffles you can probably put in with a screw. The Triumph RAT forum praises these for loud pipes.
If you decide not to keep them but to sell, let me know, although I will hang on to my stock set and won't swap.
Ruari
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----- Original Message ----- From: "mnthope" <balloumike@...> To: <W650riders@...> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 9:10 PM Subject: [W650riders] Re: pipes Yes they are Fishpipes. Jon, thanks for the jetting info.
--- In W650riders@..., Ruari McLennan <r.mclennan@...> wrote:
OK, mnthope, I'm in BC and are they Fishpipes or what?
Ruari
----- Original Message -----
From: "mnthope" <balloumike@...>
To: <W650riders@...>
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 8:22 PM
Subject: [W650riders] Re: pipes
Sorry Nige
I'm in New England not Old England.
--- In W650riders@..., "nige" <nigel.denton1@> wrote:
If they are fishpipes, you are in the Uk and you want to sell then I
might
well be interested, although this wouldn't involve a swap on my stock pipes
as I want to keep those.
_____
From: W650riders@...
[mailto:W650riders@...] On
Behalf Of mnthope
Sent: 22 June 2007 06:18
To: W650riders@...
Subject: [W650riders] pipes
I am looking at a 2001 w650 and it looks and sounds like it has after
market pipes. I don't think it was rejetted after the install to
pipes
are blued and it has some lean surging. I was wondering if any
one has
stock pipes they would like to sell or is there any way to add
baffles
to aftermarket pipes and rejet.
thanks
mike
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Thanks, Chris.? I think you're right.?
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Ruari
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 5:08
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Subject: [W650riders] Exhaust
Personally, I would not recommend
messing around with the Stock Exhaust by trying to punch holes in
it.
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Having traveled behind a couple of
W650’s in the past, they have a “Great Note”.
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Mine seems to haven gotten louder
over time, sound great, no longer backfires.
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The bike also seems to warm up
quicker than it used too when I first got it!
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2000 W650
“Stock”
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87,000 Klms,
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Chris Spence, St.Catharines , Ontario.
Canada.
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Personally, I would not recommend messing around with the
Stock Exhaust by trying to punch holes in it.
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Having traveled behind a couple of W650’s in the past,
they have a “Great Note”.
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Mine seems to haven gotten louder over time, sound great, no
longer backfires.
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The bike also seems to warm up quicker than it used too when
I first got it!
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2000 W650 “Stock”
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87,000 Klms,
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Chris Spence, St.Catharines , Ontario. Canada.
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Hi guys just to let you know that since the
itsthewar?group has been taken over by the Spammers several of the regulars
have moved over to a new site?which can be found at .
This will be kept Spam free by the same method that
works for the W650Riders & registry groups.
Why not come and join
us?
Dick
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Re: bring back the w650 to the us - Petition
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Both the B40s on ebay look very nice.
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The Morini is a later model than mine as it has the
square section frame.? The mileage may be lower than the picture suggests -
mine showed 28000 when I got it but it was reading in kilometres, being an
Italian import.? If that is the case, you can buy a converter thing that
just screws on to the bottom of the speedo cable.? Looks like it has a
bigger tank on it, which would explain why it comes with a spare.? Mine has
a two into one exhaust but a different style silencer.? If you get it,
budget for having the cam belt changed asap.? They are about ?30 plus VAT
but you need a special tool (which I have) - having said that, I got NLM to do
mine while they had various covers & things off the bike anyway.? If
you go to look at it, run away if it doesn't start easily or you have any doubts
about the electrics!? They have a strange electrical system where the
indicators and back light run from the battery on a 6v system, the battery is
tiny and they last about a year but only cost ?5 a time.?The headlight
& starting are on a 12v system & not reliant on the battery so you
should always be able to start it.?
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Haze
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Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 10:47
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Subject: RE: [W650riders] Re: FAO
Haze...NWC...
There is a B40 BSA on ebay not far from me, I ahven't
seen it, and in truth probably won't be able to as I?have left it too
late methinks, as I dismissed it as I want to be able to ride it on the road
and this looks as if it have never been registered.
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There is also a Morini, same as yours, but it has a
single 2-1 zorst, again going not far from me. He hasn't put how mnay miles
down on the description but he has a picture, which shows it as having done
35k...its up for 500 quid.
Depends on what information you have about it. This is roughly the
procedure, taken from the VMCC handbook who assist members in
registering old machines:
If you do not have the original reg
number you can apply for an age
related number. You would need to fill in
an application form for a
Statement of Search, which you send to the VMCC
with ?6 if you are a
member or ?14 if a non-member. When the VMCC return
the Statement of
Search, you take it to the local VLO together with a
current MOT,
evidence of identity & your certificate of insurance.
They will
probably then arrange an inspection of the machine.
If
you are trying to retain the original registration the procedure is
slightly different & involves having the VMCC inspect the machine
rather than the VLO. I'm not sure how necessary the inspection is
since I am sure that the NACC offer a similar service but rely on
documents and photos sent to them, with a rubbing of the frame/engine
number. I think the BSAOC offer a similar service.
I'm not sure
what difference there is if the trials bike has built
from bits of various
bikes (which is what I am hoping to do). You can
get day-time MOTs. If it
is pre-74, you can have a bulb-horn and no
lights so you don't need to
worry about adding lights etc if it hasn't
already got them.
Have
you found one you're wanting to buy?
Haze
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HAze
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>
> Not sure you would know but how easy is it to
register an old BSA
> trial bike, that up to now as been used only
off-road?
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Re: Exhausts & retro noise
Yes, I'm not too terribly keen on it.?
Especially if it gives a "knackered Honda twin" sound!? The options for a
poor WRider who wants a teardrop "burgess" style muffler, (failing mounting a
campaign for real copper undercoating at Armours), seem to include various pigs
in pokes such as ;?
Emgos 1962-70 Triumph;? they are, I
think,?what Bella Corse & Specialty Spares uses
Japanese such as POSH W1? full; Daytona
Triumph; Daiwa etc.,
Norman Hyde Toga
Some English maker - starts with a "W" can't
remember
Stainless etc from Staintune,? Thunderbike,
Harris,etc.
?
Part of the problem is how do you know what
fits?? They all refer confusingly to old Triumphs etc., see for
example:
?
?
Ruari
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Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: Exhausts
& retro noise
Which could also lower the resale value of the
bike. Not just because it has a funky, non-reversable tone, but because if I
looked in the exhausts and saw that they had been modified with a hammer, I'd
pass on the bike. 'cause I'm doubting the fella measured the airflow before,
then after, and jetted accordingly. Now if you had a spare pair of stock
mufflers...
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Jake
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Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 11:33
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Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: Exhausts
& retro noise
Ruari
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I have read here that this method produces sound that some
have liked, and some regretted, hard to say what your results may be. It's a
one way trip.
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Dennis
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Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:23
AM
Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re:
Exhausts & retro noise
An old Triumph expert suggested that I should just sharpen a piece of
narrow
rebar, and hammer it through the stock exhaust/baffles bit by
bit until the
sound deepened. Anyone tried this? My Canadian exhaust
is one of those
from which the stock baffles cannot be removed (as per
the California
exhaust diagram in Files). The baffles start well
inside the
exhaust.
Ruari
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Re: Exhausts & retro noise
"Knackered Honda twin with cheap megaphones on!" Love it!
Oh, well, back to musing & plotting...
Ruari
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonhaddock@..." <jonhaddock@...> To: <W650riders@...> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: Exhausts & retro noise
That might work if the mufflers were the only silencing part, but that huge
tray underneath is part of the silencing. Also, the note of the exhaust is
derived from the shape ( and thickness of steel) in the burgess pipes and
the stock mufflers don't work in the same way. The engine note gets louder,
but in a kind of 'knackered honda twin with cheap magaphones on' kind of
way.
An old Triumph expert suggested that I should just sharpen a piece of
narrow
rebar, and hammer it through the stock exhaust/baffles bit by bit until
the
sound deepened. Anyone tried this? My Canadian exhaust is one of those
from which the stock baffles cannot be removed (as per the California
exhaust diagram in Files). The baffles start well inside the exhaust.
Ruari
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From: "Mark Campbell" <scrubby64@...>
To: <W650riders@...>
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: Exhausts & retro noise
Mmm, sounds like a lot of work, I take it you have looked at the W650.de
shop?
Mark,
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To: <W650riders@...>
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 3:23 PM
Subject: [W650riders] Re: Exhausts & retro noise
I got a reply from MikesXS. They said the originals were very loud,
essential straight throughs. So they had a chamber created inside the
muffler to redirect the air and quiet them. SOOOO looks like, unless
that chamber can be removed, these are not going to be the sound you
are looking for.
I was looking at my stock exahaust and was curious. Could a welder cut
the cross over off. Weld plates inplace of the crossover holes, and
then remove some of the baffeling from the stock?
I know it would be a lot of effort. I will find out in the next few
days if it can be done and how much. (IE have a friend who does this.)
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Re: bring back the w650 to the us - Petition
If they don't need to FI it in Japan, I doubt it would
happen.
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So maybe they'll fuel-inject that bad boy. (It could happen.)
;-)
On 7/2/07, Dennis J.
Guggemos <djguggms@sonic.net
> wrote:
I'd like to see it back here, but it would never pass 2008
smog.
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Or up the displacement to 750cc like Suzuki might with SV6500 --- In W650riders@..., "Dennis J. Guggemos" <djguggms@...> wrote:
I'd like to see it back here, but it would never pass 2008 smog.
Dennis
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From: John
To: W650riders@...
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 8:23 PM
Subject: [W650riders] bring back the w650 to the us - Petition
Hello all,
Ive started a petition to bring back the w650 - please sign it here:
Here's one of the posting i've put on craigslist about this
Please tell all your friends and family about this
Thanks
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Re: bring back the w650 to the us - Petition
I'd like to see it back here, but it would never pass 2008
smog.
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Dennis
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Subject: [W650riders] bring back the w650
to the us - Petition
Hello all,
Ive started a petition to bring back the w650 - please
sign it here:
Here's
one of the posting i've put on craigslist about this
Please
tell all your friends and family about this
Thanks
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