Re: High Performance YSS Gas shocks - Group Buy
Hi
All,
Alright,
so as per the post below, I have wrangled better pricing!
The price for the YSS with CHROME springs
is ?565 now.
If you want BLACK springs the price
is ?530!
I will never get prices this good again and this is a real
pain in my ass to organise so get your orders in ASAP
please.
Cheers
Rick.
*Last Call* Will be placing order on Friday. One more
order and the price will drop.
Hi
All,
I
have something new for you. If you follow what I do you'll
know I'm always looking to improve the brakes and
suspension of the W. I've done the front suspension and
big brake kit and have finally found an option for the
rear suspension that is the best bang for buck.
Although
the usual suspects like Hagon or Bitubo are an improvement
on the terrible OEM shock absorbers, I wanted something
that I could actually adjust and something with better
performance. As always it's hard to keep the costs down
and relative to the value of a W, it's easy to just
splurge on Nitron or Ohlins!
Anyway,
I have managed to find a source for custom sprung YSS
RG362 piggyback gas shocks at a discount. These are made
for me with a chrome spring to suit 70kg to 100kg riders
(17nm - 25nm). The chrome spring is an additional cost
item but I like it as it looks correct on a W. You can see
my mule in the attached pics with the shocks flipped
around for a better suited look.
These
shocks are a fantastic improvement in feel, handling and
comfort. Independently adjustable for Compression, Rebound
and Preload they make riding on bumpy roads a pleasure.
The
shocks are made to order and have a couple weeks lead
time.
The
shocks are ?595 a set. If I get enough people placing
orders I can get a better price. I am in the UK and happy
to ship abroad but bear in mind shipping and tax might eat
up the discount.
If
you are interested in a set drop the a message or email to
rick@...
Cheers
Rick.
On 06/06/2022 18:21, Dirty Dick's Motos
via groups.io wrote:
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Hi Sujit,
I did look at the Ohlins but discounted them as they are not
available with a chrome spring and have no Rebound and
Compression adjustment, only Preload.
The YSS offer all the options, including 10mm height adjustment
for the same price as the Ohlins, high build quality and look
correct on the W650.
Cheers
Rick.
On 06/06/2022 16:22, Sujit Kirpekar
wrote:
Hi Rick,
Nice idea, and I am interested in better performing
shocks for a W650.
Have you ever tried the Ohlins KA224 shocks? They are
typically available at the same price (see eBay, about
US$650 shipped to the US).
How do these compare to the Ohlins or even the entry
level YSS or Hagons?
Regards,
-Sujit
On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 6:20
AM Dirty Dick's Motos via <rick= [email protected]>
wrote:
I have
something new for you. If you follow what I do
you'll know I'm always looking to improve the
brakes and suspension of the W. I've done the
front suspension and big brake kit and have
finally found an option for the rear suspension
that is the best bang for buck.
Although
the usual suspects like Hagon or Bitubo are an
improvement on the terrible OEM shock absorbers,
I wanted something that I could actually adjust
and something with better performance. As always
it's hard to keep the costs down and relative to
the value of a W, it's easy to just splurge on
Nitron or Ohlins!
?
Anyway, I
have managed to find a source for custom sprung
YSS RG362 piggyback gas shocks at a discount.
These are made for me with a chrome spring to
suit 70kg to 100kg riders (17nm - 25nm). The
chrome spring is an additional cost item but I
like it as it looks correct on a W. You can see
my mule in the attached pics with the shocks
flipped around for a better suited look.
These
shocks are a fantastic improvement in feel,
handling and comfort. Independently adjustable
for Compression, Rebound and Preload they make
riding on bumpy roads a pleasure.
The
shocks are made to order and have a couple weeks
lead time.
The
shocks are ?595 a set. If I get enough people
placing orders I can get a better price. I am in
the UK and happy to ship abroad but bear in mind
shipping and tax might eat up the discount.
If you
are interested in a set email to rick@...
I need one more order and I can get a better
price for everyone. ?
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Re: Alternate Battery and Light Options
I experienced it.? I was cruising down the highway at 70 and the bike just died.? I couldn't keep it going, I didn't try to disconnect the light.? Thanks for the work around.
If a battery go,s on the road due to a collapsed cell ?( for example ) and its daylight .Remove the lighting fuse or just the front bulb and that will give you an extra 55 to 65w . The bike should then run normal and also we are lucky to have a kick starter.?
Currently I have standard lead-acid batteries in both our Ws and they are doing quite well.? But when my wife's W battery started to fade the bike just died in the middle of a ride.? So, I appreciate the concern.? I have a Shorai lithium in my Bonneville and I must say it is worth the price.? (Paul 'ain't kiddin', it's twice the price). But (especially in the Bonneville-which eats batteries for breakfast-well worth it.? I would not hesitate to put one in either 650 and will do so the next time I have to change the battery.? But don't go cheap.? Save your nickles and get a good one.
BC
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Re: Alternate Battery and Light Options
If a battery go,s on the road due to a collapsed cell ?( for example ) and its daylight .Remove the lighting fuse or just the front bulb and that will give you an extra 55 to 65w . The bike should then run normal and also we are lucky to have a kick starter.?
Currently I have standard lead-acid batteries in both our Ws and they are doing quite well.? But when my wife's W battery started to fade the bike just died in the middle of a ride.? So, I appreciate the concern.? I have a Shorai lithium in my Bonneville and I must say it is worth the price.? (Paul 'ain't kiddin', it's twice the price). But (especially in the Bonneville-which eats batteries for breakfast-well worth it.? I would not hesitate to put one in either 650 and will do so the next time I have to change the battery.? But don't go cheap.? Save your nickles and get a good one.
BC
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Re: Alternate Battery and Light Options
I had a battery go dead on my W in the middle of a ride ( collapsed cell ) the bike went erratic?in low revs under load, however made it home thanks to the kickstarter. I have fitted an on/off?toggle switch to the main headlight in case it happens again, saving 55w should let you ride normal. Had it happen once before on an SR 500 up in Iceland ,but no worry due to manual on/ off lighting and the kick start.
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Re: Alternate Battery and Light Options
Currently I have standard lead-acid batteries in both our Ws and they are doing quite well.? But when my wife's W battery started to fade the bike just died in the middle of a ride.? So, I appreciate the concern.? I have a Shorai lithium in my Bonneville and I must say it is worth the price.? (Paul 'ain't kiddin', it's twice the price). But (especially in the Bonneville-which eats batteries for breakfast-well worth it.? I would not hesitate to put one in either 650 and will do so the next time I have to change the battery.? But don't go cheap.? Save your nickles and get a good one.
BC
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Re: Alternate Battery and Light Options
FWIW I too was worried about using a Lithium ion battery only because of how the charging system was going to properly charge it.??? I have lithium batteries in other things and like the fact that they hold a charge so well and can be cycled so many more times,? but for my W650?
I ended up buying an AGM (Absorbent Glass Mat) battery.?? These are lead acid batteries but with a gel instead of a flooded liquid.?? No maintenance and resistant to vibration.?? They also do well in maintaining their charge and hold it better than flooded batteries.
On Wednesday, June 15, 2022 at 02:14:03 PM PDT, Paul via groups.io <baillieandsons@...> wrote:
I have Lithium Ion both of my Ws and a virago 535 the longest going back over 7 years!. I had 1 failure in my Sportster, It was an off brand "Twin Power" Li-Po, so go with an established maker like Shorai. They are more than twice the cost but remove virtually all the hassles of old tech batteries, I hook mine up to a float charger every 6 months or so but they will hold a full charge for over a year. If you go old tech be sure to keep a battery tender on it and check electrolyte levels (if it is user serviceable) periodically. Alohapaul
On Wednesday, June 15, 2022 at 09:52:50 AM HST, phaedrus <rphaedrus@...> wrote:
I should have sent this out a month ago, _before_ picking
up a new standard battery for my W, but how are people feeling about
the newer types of batteries for our bikes?
It seems like
the improved charge holding and smaller size of something like a Lithium
Ion battery might be pretty awesome but I've heard concerns about them
failing or not handling the charging from a motorcycle set up to charge a
regular battery very well. ? The W seems like it's pretty sensitive to
weak batteries, so I get a bit nervous, but, I've not looked into it for
a while and technology keeps on improving. On a similar
note, has anyone found LED lights that seem to work particularly well??
Preferably, something that I could easily swap out -- ideally, I'd love
to keep the housing and bezel for at least the headlight, but keeping it
for all the lights would be nice. Thanks!
- jason goray in minneapolis mn
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Re: Alternate Battery and Light Options
I have Lithium Ion both of my Ws and a virago 535 the longest going back over 7 years!. I had 1 failure in my Sportster, It was an off brand "Twin Power" Li-Po, so go with an established maker like Shorai. They are more than twice the cost but remove virtually all the hassles of old tech batteries, I hook mine up to a float charger every 6 months or so but they will hold a full charge for over a year. If you go old tech be sure to keep a battery tender on it and check electrolyte levels (if it is user serviceable) periodically. Alohapaul
On Wednesday, June 15, 2022 at 09:52:50 AM HST, phaedrus <rphaedrus@...> wrote:
I should have sent this out a month ago, _before_ picking
up a new standard battery for my W, but how are people feeling about
the newer types of batteries for our bikes?
It seems like
the improved charge holding and smaller size of something like a Lithium
Ion battery might be pretty awesome but I've heard concerns about them
failing or not handling the charging from a motorcycle set up to charge a
regular battery very well. ? The W seems like it's pretty sensitive to
weak batteries, so I get a bit nervous, but, I've not looked into it for
a while and technology keeps on improving. On a similar
note, has anyone found LED lights that seem to work particularly well??
Preferably, something that I could easily swap out -- ideally, I'd love
to keep the housing and bezel for at least the headlight, but keeping it
for all the lights would be nice. Thanks!
- jason goray in minneapolis mn
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Alternate Battery and Light Options
I should have sent this out a month ago, _before_ picking
up a new standard battery for my W, but how are people feeling about
the newer types of batteries for our bikes?
It seems like
the improved charge holding and smaller size of something like a Lithium
Ion battery might be pretty awesome but I've heard concerns about them
failing or not handling the charging from a motorcycle set up to charge a
regular battery very well. ? The W seems like it's pretty sensitive to
weak batteries, so I get a bit nervous, but, I've not looked into it for
a while and technology keeps on improving. On a similar
note, has anyone found LED lights that seem to work particularly well??
Preferably, something that I could easily swap out -- ideally, I'd love
to keep the housing and bezel for at least the headlight, but keeping it
for all the lights would be nice. Thanks!
- jason goray in minneapolis mn
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“Do all W650s idle higher as they get hotter?? After a few minutes of choke it's around 300rpm but after 20 or 30 minutes it's at 900. Guy who changed my chain and sprocket said he hadn't seen a bike change so much at idle. I guess it's normal because both my current and last w650 did it and I just had my carbs rebuilt.”
I guess I have never had a bike that would idle when less than warm if the idle was set right for a warm engine.? I have just learned to feed a bit of throttle until the bike is thoroughly warm.? On the W, I leave the choke on for about a mile at ~25 MPH, then take it off.? But I keep some throttle whenever I stop in the first 10 minutes or so.? After that, it idles well.
Mike E
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Doing anything to the original set up will require tweaking the idle and mixture. Removing all the egr plumbing is a favourite to help eliminating backfire burbles on the decel. Pilot jets are likely in need of help due to ethanol gas.? Beyond that is into ignition modification territory, Kawasaki spent a lot of R&D money on the original setup so two into one exhaust systems, aftermarket carb systems and parts to up the horsepower mean sophisticated bench testing and a dynamometer. My bike is stock except for the egr plumbing and idle tuning. (Not by me! The former owner is a Kawasaki mechanic.)? With 80k on the odometer The bike runs on no ethanol fuel only and give no running issues ever.? Right now if something comes up it likely means the old battery is about done. That is something to look out for with these old second hand bikes when you don’t know the history of the battery. An intermittent ignition failure, or bit of sputtering and power loss can often be traced to an iffy battery. Easy to test with a known good battery.? Many of you know about this site. Lots of good info on our bikes, with over 500 pages now. If you are new to the W650 you might take a look. Don in Niagara
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Warmed up idle speed should be around 800rpm.? If it is higher I find it throws off the closed throttle decel fueling.? On mine full choke (actually enriched is a better word in this case) is required for a good ten minutes of riding.? It idles higher when choked.? Once warmed up it settles down to the 800 rpm that I have it set at.? Your idle should be set with a fully warmed up bike and you shouldn't need to adjust it.?? Having a clean idle circuit is a necessity of course and it also helps to be able to adjust the idle mixture screws and I actually have 38 size pilots installed that work better with my W's 2-1 exhaust system.
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You are right, the W650 is very cold blooded. On even a warm morning it likes full choke on start up. It will run a bit rough in a few minutes so you will know it is time to back off the choke and take off. It will warm up to running temperature quicker if under load and then idle at about 8-900 rpm’s.? There should be no need to adjust the idle speed if set up properly. Don in Niagara
On Tuesday, June 14, 2022, Bob Lombardi < chiplom@...> wrote:
I've noticed the same thing.?? If I don't turn the idle knob in to speed up the idle when cold,? it won't even keep running. Then when it's hot after about 10 minutes and the oil has got up to a good temp,? I have to slow it down by backing out the idle knob.?? I try to keep it around 800 rpm when hot.
I'm pretty sure Kawasaki knew it had such a varied idle speed and that's why we have such an easy to adjust knob to deal with it. On another note,? when the choke is on,? try to not let it go way up in idle speed.?? I was advised that sitting still without the airflow going over the exhaust pipes is a good way to overheat the chrome and turn it dark near the heads.
On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 02:17:06 PM PDT, st0n3d l33ch < st0n3d.l33ch@...> wrote:
Mine does. In fact I never touch my Idle knob. When cold and after turning off the choke (I dunno, 30 sec or so..maybe a min if it's colder..I listen for the exhaust to make?'crinkle' noises then choke in) it tends to be 600-800rpm. In fact, after choking in and taking off it will sometimes die early if I fail to blurp throttle a?couple times (only because I prefer to ride it cold with no choke. I don't wait 5 min for it to warm up). Anyway, by the time I hit the 1st stop light 4 miles away, it idles perfectly?@ 950 or so. After that it might be right at 1k or a tiny tiny hair above it.? When adjusting the idle, I always do it on a hot running bike, not cold. Which is why for me it's always low when it's cold. Do all W650s idle higher as they get hotter?? After a few minutes of choke it's around 300rpm but after 20 or 30 minutes it's at 900. Guy who changed my chain and sprocket said he hadn't seen a bike change so much at idle. I guess it's normal because both my current and last w650 did it and I just had my carbs rebuilt.
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I've noticed the same thing.?? If I don't turn the idle knob in to speed up the idle when cold,? it won't even keep running. Then when it's hot after about 10 minutes and the oil has got up to a good temp,? I have to slow it down by backing out the idle knob.?? I try to keep it around 800 rpm when hot.
I'm pretty sure Kawasaki knew it had such a varied idle speed and that's why we have such an easy to adjust knob to deal with it. On another note,? when the choke is on,? try to not let it go way up in idle speed.?? I was advised that sitting still without the airflow going over the exhaust pipes is a good way to overheat the chrome and turn it dark near the heads.
On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 02:17:06 PM PDT, st0n3d l33ch <st0n3d.l33ch@...> wrote:
Mine does. In fact I never touch my Idle knob. When cold and after turning off the choke (I dunno, 30 sec or so..maybe a min if it's colder..I listen for the exhaust to make?'crinkle' noises then choke in) it tends to be 600-800rpm. In fact, after choking in and taking off it will sometimes die early if I fail to blurp throttle a?couple times (only because I prefer to ride it cold with no choke. I don't wait 5 min for it to warm up). Anyway, by the time I hit the 1st stop light 4 miles away, it idles perfectly?@ 950 or so. After that it might be right at 1k or a tiny tiny hair above it.? When adjusting the idle, I always do it on a hot running bike, not cold. Which is why for me it's always low when it's cold.
Do all W650s idle higher as they get hotter?? After a few minutes of choke it's around 300rpm but after 20 or 30 minutes it's at 900. Guy who changed my chain and sprocket said he hadn't seen a bike change so much at idle. I guess it's normal because both my current and last w650 did it and I just had my carbs rebuilt.
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yep kawis seem 2 b somewhat cold blooded sounds totally normal?
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Mine does. In fact I never touch my Idle knob. When cold and after turning off the choke (I dunno, 30 sec or so..maybe a min if it's colder..I listen for the exhaust to make?'crinkle' noises then choke in) it tends to be 600-800rpm. In fact, after choking in and taking off it will sometimes die early if I fail to blurp throttle a?couple times (only because I prefer to ride it cold with no choke. I don't wait 5 min for it to warm up). Anyway, by the time I hit the 1st stop light 4 miles away, it idles perfectly?@ 950 or so. After that it might be right at 1k or a tiny tiny hair above it.? When adjusting the idle, I always do it on a hot running bike, not cold. Which is why for me it's always low when it's cold.
Do all W650s idle higher as they get hotter?? After a few minutes of choke it's around 300rpm but after 20 or 30 minutes it's at 900. Guy who changed my chain and sprocket said he hadn't seen a bike change so much at idle. I guess it's normal because both my current and last w650 did it and I just had my carbs rebuilt.
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Do all W650s idle higher as they get hotter?? After a few minutes of choke it's around 300rpm but after 20 or 30 minutes it's at 900. Guy who changed my chain and sprocket said he hadn't seen a bike change so much at idle. I guess it's normal because both my current and last w650 did it and I just had my carbs rebuilt.
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Re: High Performance YSS Gas shocks - Group Buy
Very very nice! I’m still interested in your big brake kit, although I’m currently in the mode of front suspension improvement. I did add a nice translucent blue, braided stainless steel front brake line last winter.
 
John H. in Omaha -- John H. in Omaha 2000 W650 2006 Vino 125 1981 CT110 “The Goin’ Postie Bike!”
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Re: High Performance YSS Gas shocks - Group Buy
I’ve got YSS shocks on my 01 W650 daily driver and I am very happy with them. I’ve also installed a pair on my Nort-Saki custom build. The full range of adjustments makes it easy to tailor the shock to your changing needs. Happy Motorin’
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On Jun 6, 2022, at 1:21 PM, Dirty Dick's Motos via groups.io <rick@...> wrote:
?
Hi Sujit,
I did look at the Ohlins but discounted them as they are not
available with a chrome spring and have no Rebound and Compression
adjustment, only Preload.
The YSS offer all the options, including 10mm height adjustment
for the same price as the Ohlins, high build quality and look
correct on the W650.
Cheers
Rick.
On 06/06/2022 16:22, Sujit Kirpekar
wrote:
Hi Rick,
Nice idea, and I am interested in better performing shocks
for a W650.
Have you ever tried the Ohlins KA224 shocks? They are
typically available at the same price (see eBay, about US$650
shipped to the US).
How do these compare to the Ohlins or even the entry level
YSS or Hagons?
Regards,
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Re: High Performance YSS Gas shocks - Group Buy
Hi Sujit,
I did look at the Ohlins but discounted them as they are not
available with a chrome spring and have no Rebound and Compression
adjustment, only Preload.
The YSS offer all the options, including 10mm height adjustment
for the same price as the Ohlins, high build quality and look
correct on the W650.
Cheers
Rick.
On 06/06/2022 16:22, Sujit Kirpekar
wrote:
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
Hi Rick,
Nice idea, and I am interested in better performing shocks
for a W650.
Have you ever tried the Ohlins KA224 shocks? They are
typically available at the same price (see eBay, about US$650
shipped to the US).
How do these compare to the Ohlins or even the entry level
YSS or Hagons?
Regards,
-Sujit
On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 6:20 AM
Dirty Dick's Motos via <rick= [email protected]>
wrote:
I have
something new for you. If you follow what I do
you'll know I'm always looking to improve the
brakes and suspension of the W. I've done the
front suspension and big brake kit and have
finally found an option for the rear suspension
that is the best bang for buck.
Although
the usual suspects like Hagon or Bitubo are an
improvement on the terrible OEM shock absorbers, I
wanted something that I could actually adjust and
something with better performance. As always it's
hard to keep the costs down and relative to the
value of a W, it's easy to just splurge on Nitron
or Ohlins!
?
Anyway, I
have managed to find a source for custom sprung
YSS RG362 piggyback gas shocks at a discount.
These are made for me with a chrome spring to suit
70kg to 100kg riders (17nm - 25nm). The chrome
spring is an additional cost item but I like it as
it looks correct on a W. You can see my mule in
the attached pics with the shocks flipped around
for a better suited look.
These
shocks are a fantastic improvement in feel,
handling and comfort. Independently adjustable for
Compression, Rebound and Preload they make riding
on bumpy roads a pleasure.
The shocks
are made to order and have a couple weeks lead
time.
The shocks
are ?595 a set. If I get enough people placing
orders I can get a better price. I am in the UK
and happy to ship abroad but bear in mind shipping
and tax might eat up the discount.
If you are
interested in a set email to rick@...
I need one more order and I can get a better price
for everyone. ?
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Re: High Performance YSS Gas shocks - Group Buy
Hi Rick,
Nice idea, and I am interested in better performing shocks for a W650.
Have you ever tried the Ohlins KA224 shocks? They are typically available at the same price (see eBay, about US$650 shipped to the US).
How do these compare to the Ohlins or even the entry level YSS or Hagons?
Regards,
-Sujit
On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 6:20 AM Dirty Dick's Motos via <rick= [email protected]> wrote:
I have something new for you. If you follow what I do you'll know I'm always looking to improve the brakes and suspension of the W. I've done the front suspension and big brake kit and have finally found an option for the rear suspension that is the best bang for buck.
Although the usual suspects like Hagon or Bitubo are an improvement on the terrible OEM shock absorbers, I wanted something that I could actually adjust and something with better performance. As always it's hard to keep the costs down and relative to the value of a W, it's easy to just splurge on Nitron or Ohlins!
?
Anyway, I have managed to find a source for custom sprung YSS RG362 piggyback gas shocks at a discount. These are made for me with a chrome spring to suit 70kg to 100kg riders (17nm - 25nm). The chrome spring is an additional cost item but I like it as it looks correct on a W. You can see my mule in the attached pics with the shocks flipped around for a better suited look.
These shocks are a fantastic improvement in feel, handling and comfort. Independently adjustable for Compression, Rebound and Preload they make riding on bumpy roads a pleasure.
The shocks are made to order and have a couple weeks lead time.
The shocks are ?595 a set. If I get enough people placing orders I can get a better price. I am in the UK and happy to ship abroad but bear in mind shipping and tax might eat up the discount.
If you are interested in a set email to rick@...I need one more order and I can get a better price for everyone. ?
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