Hi Bob,
The part I went with was the Yamaha 5LP-24500-01. My research indicates that part number has been superseded
several times by Yamaha. It's the stock piece off their Raptor 660.
Installation went fine without a hitch. And I like the fact that the horizontal outlet neck is a tad lower from the tank
than the stock petcock.
I installed it the same day a friend and I replaced my ratted out stock pipes with set of John's Fish Pipes I snatched up
last fall. I'll be doing a few separate posts on how they're working out.
Meantime,? in your post below you mention you " drilled out the main feed holes by one drill size over what was already in there ".
Q. 1 - - - did you run the bike without the drilling and felt it was starved for fuel?
Q. 2 - - - if Q1 is yes, how'd it rev out before & after the drilling?
Q. 3 - - - what size drill bit did you use?
Q. 4 - - - please describe the the step-by-procedure you followed in doing the drill out, e.g. disassembly of the petcock, etc.
David?
Lakes Area
Oakland County , MI
2000-W
"What you do today is important, because you are
exchanging a day of your life for it."
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This won't fix? the leak,? but will at least give you a shutoff. I switched to the Yamaha TW200 (I think that may be reversed)
petcock as recommended on this forum as an exact replacement for the original one.?? Now as with all my bikes,? I run
the float bowls gas level down until the engine shows signs of lack of fuel by turning off the gas a block or so from
home.??? Makes it safer in my garage and keeps the fuel? jets out of the gas too.? To make sure the bike would get
enough gas through this new petcock,? I drilled out the main feed holes by one drill size over what was already in
there.?? I have a full set of number, Letter and fractional drills,? so the increase mostly cleaned up the passages and made
? them only slightly bigger. It seems to flow plenty of gas.
bob
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Hi there
Does anyone have a set of High-bar mirrors
they would consider selling me for my 2003
W640?
Cheers
Rennie Pilgrem
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7 Messages Digest #11355
1a Reverse Shelfectomy by edward_watts
1b Re: Reverse Shelfectomy by "Ruari McLennan" retro_ruari
1c Re: Reverse Shelfectomy by edward_watts
1d Re: Reverse Shelfectomy by retro_ruari
1e Re: Reverse Shelfectomy by jonhaddock
2a Re: Parts list for carb rebulid by "david berman" dvdberman
3 Manual vs Stock Petcock Flow Rate by "david berman" dvdberman
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1a Reverse Shelfectomy
Fri Aug 12, 2016 6:44 am (PDT) . Posted by: edward_watts
Let's say a "friend" has a de-baffled stock exhaust and performed the shelfectomy before he read Jon's notes on how useless it is. The mid-range isn't great now but the bike warms up nicely and is actually a bit smoother. This friend has shims lying around to slide on the needles.
Without an expensive tuning, needle adjustment, and jet adjustment. Could the shims theoretically bump up the lean-ness in the mid-range and return the powerband to close-to-stock? Obviously the shelfectomy cannot be reversed.
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1b Re: Reverse Shelfectomy
Fri Aug 12, 2016 7:12 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Ruari McLennan" retro_ruari
Edward, would your "friend" like to purchase a used stock unaltered
airbox? My "friend" happened to buy a spare one and never used it for
anything...
Ruari McLennan
Victoria BC
On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 6:44 AM, edward_watts@... [W650riders] <
W650riders@...> wrote:
Let's say a "friend" has a de-baffled stock exhaust and performed the
shelfectomy before he read Jon's notes on how useless it is. The mid-range
isn't great now but the bike warms up nicely and is actually a bit
smoother. This friend has shims lying around to slide on the needles.
Without an expensive tuning, needle adjustment, and jet adjustment. Could
the shims theoretically bump up the lean-ness in the mid-range and return
the powerband to close-to-stock? Obviously the shelfectomy cannot be
reversed.
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1c Re: Reverse Shelfectomy
Fri Aug 12, 2016 9:27 am (PDT) . Posted by: edward_watts
Thanks Ruari would help, but have you had any experience shipping to Toronto, ON. I can't imagine it is cheap.
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1d Re: Reverse Shelfectomy
Fri Aug 12, 2016 7:19 pm (PDT) . Posted by: retro_ruari
Well, I'd ask $65 CDN plus shipping and I'll check what shipping is.
Rusri
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On Aug 12, 2016, at 9:26 AM, edward_watts@... [W650riders] <W650riders@...> wrote:
Thanks Ruari would help, but have you had any experience shipping to Toronto, ON. I can't imagine it is cheap.
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1e Re: Reverse Shelfectomy
Sat Aug 13, 2016 1:59 am (PDT) . Posted by: jonhaddock
The issue is not really with the shelf removal, which does little to enhance or hinder, but with the shape of the stock needles.
I believe Kawasaki recognised how important the signature sound of a 360 degree parallel twin was, especially as the bikes the W seeks to honour had much less silencing, so they allowed the exhaust note to be clearly audible.
The only problem was, as revs rose, the noise levels started to creep above any noise regulations so they had a dilemma...How to keep the crisp mid range sound, but muffle the ( rarely used by their target owners) top end.
The answer was to force the bike's fuel mixture to get progressively more rich as revs increased. A rich mixture sounds duller and more muffled than a correct mixture and by effectively removing the high frequency component of the sound, they could stay under the noise regulations threshold.
To make it go rich they installed over-large main jets, and to make the mixture correct everywhere BUT the rev band above 6000rpm ( where the needles are fully out of the main jets) they created extra fat needles with almost no taper...They look more like roofing nails than carburetor needles!.
Basically, the stock bike has perfect mixture right up until it hits 6000 rpm where the full enrichening effect of the over-size main jets is felt as the needles come fully clear.
The de-baffling allows a bit more exhaust to flow which makes the entire rev range lean while partially correcting the over-rich top end.
Because the needles have very little taper, the shims do very little...far less than they would on a conventional tapered needle.
The answer to restoring the mid range is to purchase a Dyno-jet (or similar) Jet/needle set and fit the needles. these needles are adjustable, but more importantly, have a normal taper, giving the mid-range the correct fuel while the sharper, thinner tips still allow the top end to work.
Fitting needles is easy, requiring the removal of the four top screws holding each chromed carb 'top' down, lifting out the diaphragm and slide assembly, and simply pulling out the needle retaining clip.
it is A LOT less hassle than anything to do with the airbox!
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2a Re: Parts list for carb rebulid
Fri Aug 12, 2016 8:27 am (PDT) . Posted by: "david berman" dvdberman
My understanding from combing through all prior posts about the accelerator pump, yours especially, is that
it's made up of many small parts a whole, and on the left carb.
My question: is the "O" type gasket just for the left side bowl, or for both he left and right.
I copied Ruari on this post because I think he once had the same issue.
Anyone else in the group feel free to chime in as well.
David
Lakes Area
Oakland County , MI
2000-W
"What you do today is important, because you are
exchanging a day of your life for it."
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On Fri, 8/12/16, Monty <cycletip@...> wrote:
Subject: Re: Parts list for carb rebulid
To: "dvdberman@..." <dvdberman@...>
Date: Friday, August 12, 2016, 9:41 AM
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3 Manual vs Stock Petcock Flow Rate
Fri Aug 12, 2016 1:31 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "david berman" dvdberman
To those who have swapped in a manual petcock (part #5LP-24500-01-00 ) for the stock vacuum operated
one, do you know if the manual one has the same, less or greater fuel flow volume rate as the stock piece?
David
Lakes Area
Oakland County , MI
2000-W
"What you do today is important, because you are
exchanging a day of your life for it."
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Re: Manual vs Stock Petcock Flow Rate
The below is what I used. ?The 8mm outlet is as near to the outlet on the OEM petcock as I could source.?
Yamaha YFM350? part number? 2HR-24500-02-00 - simple Off-On-Res petcock with a 8mm outlet. One from ebay with a gasket at a fairly good price of less than $20.00. Fits right up, seals well, a good petcock with a positive off position.
I do not have any experience with the part number you referenced, it may be near or the same as I used but I sourced based on the outlet size ?/ type, ?and matching flange type.
I believe there is an updated number for a TW200, but I do not know the specs on that one personally.
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The issue is not really with the shelf removal, which does little to enhance or hinder, but with the shape of the stock needles.
I believe Kawasaki recognised how important the signature sound of a 360 degree parallel twin was, especially as the bikes the W seeks to honour had much less silencing, so they allowed the exhaust note to be clearly audible.
The only problem was, as revs rose, the noise levels started to creep above any noise regulations so they had a dilemma...How to keep the crisp mid range sound, but muffle the ( rarely used by their target owners)?top end.
The answer was to force the bike's fuel mixture to get progressively more rich as revs increased. A rich mixture sounds duller and more muffled than a correct mixture and by effectively removing the high frequency component of the sound, they could stay under the noise regulations threshold.
To make it go rich they installed over-large main jets, and to make the mixture correct everywhere BUT the rev band above 6000rpm ( where the needles are fully out of the main jets) ?they created extra fat needles with almost no taper...They look more like roofing nails than carburetor needles!.?
Basically, the stock bike has perfect mixture right up until it hits 6000 rpm where the full enrichening effect of the over-size main jets is felt as the needles come fully clear.
The de-baffling allows a bit more exhaust to flow which makes the entire rev range lean while partially correcting the over-rich top end.?
Because the needles have very little taper, the shims do very little...far less than they would on a conventional tapered needle.
The answer to restoring the mid range is to purchase a Dyno-jet (or similar) Jet/needle set and fit the needles. these needles are adjustable, but more importantly, have a normal taper, giving the mid-range the correct fuel while the sharper, thinner tips still allow the top end to work.
Fitting needles is easy, requiring the removal of the four top screws holding each chromed carb 'top' down, lifting out the diaphragm and slide assembly, and simply pulling out the needle retaining clip. it is A LOT less hassle than anything to do with the airbox!
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Manual vs Stock Petcock Flow Rate
To those who have swapped in a manual petcock (part #5LP-24500-01-00 ) for the stock vacuum operated
one, do you know if the manual one has the same, less or greater fuel flow volume rate as the stock piece?
David?
Lakes Area
Oakland County , MI
2000-W
"What you do today is important, because you are
exchanging a day of your life for it."
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Thanks Ruari would help, but have you had any experience shipping to Toronto, ON. I can't imagine it is cheap.
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Re: Parts list for carb rebulid
My understanding from combing through all prior posts about the accelerator pump, yours especially, is that
it's made up of many small parts a whole, and on the left carb.
My question: is the "O" type gasket just for the left side bowl, or for both he left and right.
I copied Ruari on this post because I think he once had the same issue.
Anyone else in the group feel free to chime in as well.
David?
Lakes Area
Oakland County , MI
2000-W
"What you do today is important, because you are
exchanging a day of your life for it."
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Date: Friday, August 12, 2016, 9:41 AM
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Edward, would your "friend" like to purchase a used stock unaltered airbox?? My "friend" happened to buy a spare one and never used it for anything...
Ruari McLennan Victoria BC
On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 6:44 AM, edward_watts@... [W650riders] <W650riders@...> wrote:
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Let's say a "friend" has a de-baffled stock exhaust and performed the shelfectomy before he read Jon's notes on how useless it is. The mid-range isn't great now but the bike warms up nicely and is actually a bit smoother. This friend has shims lying around to slide on the needles.?
Without an expensive tuning, needle adjustment, and jet adjustment. Could the shims theoretically bump up the lean-ness in the mid-range and return the powerband to close-to-stock? Obviously the shelfectomy cannot be reversed.
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Let's say a "friend" has a de-baffled stock exhaust and performed the shelfectomy before he read Jon's notes on how useless it is. The mid-range isn't great now but the bike warms up nicely and is actually a bit smoother. This friend has shims lying around to slide on the needles.?
Without an expensive tuning, needle adjustment, and jet adjustment. Could the shims theoretically bump up the lean-ness in the mid-range and return the powerband to close-to-stock? Obviously the shelfectomy cannot be reversed.
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Parts list for carb rebulid
Finally committed to doing the job on my own . . . but with the watchful eye of an experienced friend
looking over shoulder.
I'll also be changing both float needles to deal with an annoying fuel seepage issue I've tolerated
for far too long. The friend also has all the tools/gadgets needed to sync the carbs as well.
I'm about to order all the needed parts from the local Kaw dealer. Other than the bowl gaskets, what
else should be on the list? I already have allen head screws in situ on the bowls, done when friend
helped me install a FactoryPro jet kit some time ago.
Other than parts, advice/insights also welcomed.
Much thanks in advance for the info.
David?
Lakes Area
Oakland County , MI
2000-W
"What you do today is important, because you are
exchanging a day of your life for it."
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Re: W800 noisy fuel pump and griding noises when the ignition is turned on.
Here !
The recall??are all?over the World !
Best. Kjell
Den onsdag, 10 augusti 2016 12:04 skrev "mrgarychapman@... [W650riders]" :
?
Dear all,
I have a 2012 W800 that has done about 5kmiles, most with me over the last three months as I bought it little used with on 2k on it. It was serviced at 3k
Recently i think the fuel pump is noisier than it,s normal tick, the reason I think it is the fuel pump is, that if I push the throttle backward to the stop to cut down the revs, it disappears. loud enough to think its tappets.
Also on turning the key on, during the pre-check it can make a very loud unhealthy noises , but only sometimes.
I have 4 bikesand been riding for 40 years and am experienced enough to know it is a problem not paranoia !
I read somewhere that the was some fueling issue with this model could this be the problem do I need to do any mods or change anything to rectify or is it normal ?
Apart from this I am very happy? with the bike and is a constant surprise to me how much I enjoy it !
Best regards and safe journeys,
Gary Chapman from the middle east
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Re: W800 noisy fuel pump and griding noises when the ignition is turned on.
Hi Gary Yes there was a recall on the fuel pump for this model (same as mine). The dealers in Dubai would have little interest in following up. Also in the Gulf fuel quality is highly varisble. Stick to Shell might be the best. All the best,
On Wed, 10 Aug, 2016 at 6:07 PM, mrgarychapman@... [W650riders] wrote:
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Dear all,
I have a 2012 W800 that has done about 5kmiles, most with me over the last three months as I bought it little used with on 2k on it. It was serviced at 3k
Recently i think the fuel pump is noisier than it,s normal tick, the reason I think it is the fuel pump is, that if I push the throttle backward to the stop to cut down the revs, it disappears. loud enough to think its tappets.
Also on turning the key on, during the pre-check it can make a very loud unhealthy noises , but only sometimes.
I have 4 bikesand been riding for 40 years and am experienced enough to know it is a problem not paranoia !
I read somewhere that the was some fueling issue with this model could this be the problem do I need to do any mods or change anything to rectify or is it normal ?
Apart from this I am very happy? with the bike and is a constant surprise to me how much I enjoy it !
Best regards and safe journeys,
Gary Chapman from the middle east
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W800 noisy fuel pump and griding noises when the ignition is turned on.
Dear all,
I have a 2012 W800 that has done about 5kmiles, most with me over the last three months as I bought it little used with on 2k on it. It was serviced at 3k
Recently i think the fuel pump is noisier than it,s normal tick, the reason I think it is the fuel pump is, that if I push the throttle backward to the stop to cut down the revs, it disappears. loud enough to think its tappets.
Also on turning the key on, during the pre-check it can make a very loud unhealthy noises , but only sometimes.
I have 4 bikesand been riding for 40 years and am experienced enough to know it is a problem not paranoia !
I read somewhere that the was some fueling issue with this model could this be the problem do I need to do any mods or change anything to rectify or is it normal ?
Apart from this I am very happy? with the bike and is a constant surprise to me how much I enjoy it !
Best regards and safe journeys,
Gary Chapman from the middle east
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Re: My W is Still for Sale
Thanks John It's been a wonderful bike, sad to sell it.
On Tuesday, August 9, 2016 11:47 AM, "John jwellsgnr@... [W650riders]" <W650riders@...> wrote:
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Really sweet looking well-sorted bike!? Deserves a good home!!
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Re: My W is Still for Sale
Really sweet looking well-sorted bike!? Deserves a good home!!
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Idle jet thumb screws - anybody seen these?
This looks like a great idea but I wondered if anyone has seen them up-close and personal.
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I've lowered the price to $4500 Rare color.? 21500 miles, Progressive Springs, Ikon Shocks, Factory Low Bars.? Original Exhaust included. Well maintained - Mobile1, Purolator Pure One Filter, NGK Iridium Spark Plugs. Recently replaced clutch cable and chain (D.I.D. Gold). Also factory workshop manual. Located in So. Calif.
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I still have a an original battery that came with my W650 I bought as new in Japan in 2008. I ride one, two times a week in the season and keep the bike in an uheated shed in winter. Winter temperature here in Poland is mostly well below freezing.? In winter I usually load it to full capacity once in a fothnight until I take it out for a ride when spring arrives. Last year I went abroad for 4 months in winter and didn¡¯t load at all. ?I had it loaded upon return and it worked bautifully and keeps working. I never once removed the battery from the bike. Frankly, I¡¯m myself surprised how durable it is. Krzysztof ? ? Wys?ane z aplikacji dla Windows 10 ? ? ? I've put Shorai Lithium Iron n batteries in both my Ws. If you are not a weekly (or even daily) rider motorcycle lesd/acid batteries are just not very durable, I've read about some of you getting very long life from your stock batteries but that has not been my experience over th years with many Bikes . The point is, if your battery neds to be replaced do yourself a favor, spend the extra money and get a Lithium-irom battery. It'll shave 5 lbs. of the weight and hold a charge for 6months at? a crack Here's the link for the Shorai I just bought for my 2001 or this Phantom battery is whats been in my 2000 for over 2 years
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From: "djguggms@... [W650riders]"
To: W650riders@...
Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2016 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: [W650riders] New W650 owner ? ? Cripes, I posted this 4 days ago, and it just now shows up.
Dennis
> Hi Les
>
> Hmm...10 things to watch out for. Might be tough. These are pretty solid
> machines, many of us here have thousands of more miles. The usual things on a
> used machine, like chain and sprockets, battery.
>
> As far as what's particular to the W...Rear fender cracking just ahead of the
> taillight mount.
>
> I'm really scratching my head to come up with 10.
>
> Have you ridden it much? Anything you might want to ask about?
>
> Dennis
>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> Just bought an '00 W650 with 17k miles for $3,300. Seemed like a good deal
>> to
>> me.
>>
>>
>> Was wondering what I should check first. I looked in the FAQ but could not
>> see anything like "So you got a new W650. Here are ten things you should
>> check first."
>>
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>>
>> Thanks, Les, Dallas, TX
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>>
>> P.S. I thought I posted earlier but I guess I didn't
>>
>
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Hey? Jake I used to have 3- 5 gallon containers I would fill with non-ethanol gas when we only had one station on the Island that carried non-ethanol, that might be a little cheaper than buying that Tanker! Its a solution that appeals to my Scottish Heart! Speaking of Scot's, I haven't seen any posts from Roy lately? BTW gas docks at the local marina might also have the good stuff and all you need is that 5 gallon container! Alohapaul
From: "'Captain Jake' jake@... [W650riders]" <W650riders@...>
To: W650riders@...
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2016 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: New W650 ownerfill
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?
Paul, Les is in Dallas. We don't have a source of
ethanol free gas anywhere near the city. If we rode to one, filled up the tank,
we'd run out by the time we got home. We are not left with any option besides
buying a tanker full of guzzoline.
?
A few hours ago I saw a vehicle that'd haul that
tanker.....you wanna get out of here? You talk to me.
?
Mad Jake
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Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2016 09:45
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Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: New W650
owner
Tried?
sending this earlier but it didn't go trough
IF YOUR w HAS BEEN
RUNNING ON eTHANOL/GAS BLEND AND YOU ARE HAVING STARTING/ROUGH IDLING
ISSUES? YOU LIKELY HAVE FOULED CARBURETORS. DO YOURSELF A FAVOR AND
BYPASS ALL THE CHEMICAL GAS TREATMENTS, THEY RARELY WORK WHEN THE CARBS ARE
ALREADY GUMMED UP, TAKE THE CARBS OFF THE BIKE AND CLEAN THEM! THEN FIND A
SOURCE FOR ETHANOL FREE GAS AND RUN ONLY THAT IN YOUR W.
ALOHAPAUL
Sorry about
the CAPS, I didn't notice the Caplock was on! and check out this site
http://pure-gas.org/
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W650riders@...
Sent:
Saturday, August 6, 2016 5:38 AM
Subject:
[W650riders] Re: New W650 owner
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Thanks Monty, great
suggestions.
I already have
starting trouble and a rough idle.
I'm not really into wrenching but this might be the bike that get's me
into it.
Appreciate the help, Les
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