Pilot adjustment should be set so that with the bike warm, there is no discernable popping. Popping is symptomatic of a LEAN mix and will make the bike feel lacklustre during warm-up.

The KLR needles are fine. Main jets only matter after 6000 rpm with stock airboxes the 122's will be spot on.....all you need to do is fiddle with needle height. Start with the needles at their lowest ( leanest) point. They'll still be better than stock there but lifting them one notch at a time will get you to the right place. Look for improvements from 4000 to 6000 rpm...That's where the stock ones fall down once decent pipes are fitted!

Good luck!

Jon

Interesting...I used to look in on the Triumph Triple site and they
were discussing this and several blokes did this, one of them on the
basis that this what they used to aircraft engines.

However MCN or Bike magazine did an investigation, they took two bikes
(two Beemers I think) and run one in by the book and the other without
regard for the factory procedure, in short they red-lined it from the
off. The result was that initially the bike run-in by the book made
less power than the red-lined bike. They dyno'ed the same bikes
periodically and found that after some 7-8k miles the power
charcterisitcs had reversed with the one run in by the factory spec
now making more power than the red-lined bike.

My mate was told, when he picked up his bike, that the best way to
make best power was to stick to the factory rev-limit but to get to
that limit as briskly as possible, not to labour the engine and to
occasionally allow the revs to go over the rev-limit...this was a long
time ago, some 25-30 years (he had a Suzuki GS550L), and engine
tolerances are a lot better now so this method may not now be
appropriate. The MCN/Bike investigation though was in the last 5
years, as I read about it since I came back to biking.

In W650riders@..., "Larry Botheras" <larry.botheras@...>
wrote:

I've never been brave enough to use the technique on a new motor,

but Jon's

right. that 's the way to optimise powr out of your mill. It does

involve

an oil change every few operatins for a very few miles





Larry Botheras



Essex UK

W650 Wrench

2007 Moto Guzzi Norge

1977 KH400

1978 CD175

1994 Ural Solo







From: W650riders@... [mailto:W650riders@...] On
Behalf Of Jon Haddock
Sent: 17 July 2007 20:41
To: W650riders@...
Subject: [W650riders] Re: Oil/ Oil Additives



Ferraris and Porsches DEFINITELY get their rings broken in at the
factory before they are sold. They power part of the Porsche factory
from the dynos. This is because they are obliged to guarantee a
minimum power output and the only way to ensure this is to bed the
rings properly. They do this by loading the motor and revving it to
the red line several times. The cycling of hard load and relax to
idle super-heats the rings while they are still rough, melting the
ring's high spots and creating a smooth gas tight surfce. The rapid
drop to idle in-between the rev-outs bathes the rings in cooling oil
vapour.
Several race car engine bulders do the same thing, and in fact if you
baby a motor without doing this as your first action, the rings will
never properly bed-in.

Synthetics cannot stop this initial high spot heating and
melting...They're good but not THAT good...they only manage around
100 deg C above mineral oils before they break down. That's enough to
guarantee zero wear at normal engine temps, but they'll run-in fine
during those initial few bursts.

Jon

That's not entirely true. New engines that are perfectly honed

from the factory don't require ring-seating and can use synthetic
from the get go. If you rebuild your engines at home and have less
than perfect equipment, as I do, you STILL need to seat your rings
with fossil oil. They will take ten times as long, if ever, to seat
using synthetic oil.

Ray Nielsen <rnielse1@> wrote: --- In

W650riders@... <mailto:W650riders%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"bufallobiff" <mschuder@>

wrote:

---Moto-Guzzi has synthetic in them from the factory and it's
the "break in" oil.

Break in oils these days are regular motor oils. Mobil 1's web site
<www.mobil1.com> used to have a FAQ section where they addressed

the

issue of break in vs. synthetic oil.

They noted that some Corvettes, Aston-Martins, Porsches and a few
other brands came from the factory with Mobil 1 in the crankcase.
In a nutshell, NO problems with using a synthetic during break in.

I've changed to Mobil 1 in my new bikes at the first change
interval, usually around 600 miles. No problems and many have
achieved high mileage (several over 100 K miles). These bikes ran
the gamut from a 1100cc Gold Wing, a Suzuki Burgman scooter, W650,
Bandit 1200, Suzuki Boulevard M50 and more that I can't remember --
about 15-18 bikes in the last 24 years.

Just my two bits worth.

Ray Nielsen, in Minneapolis.






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Hi Jon
I just got my bike, it was shipped from California to New Hampshire,
and so it took awhile. It is currently fitted with fish pipes but not
rejetted. I would like to have a go at it and would like some advice
on the best jets/needles. Based on your previous recommendations I
have located the KLX 300 needles and thought I would get a 122 and a
112 main jet in case I go back to the stock pipes. Would you recommend
going with the Kawasaki jet/needles or aftermarket like factory pro.
The Price is not much different when you start using combinations. The
bike still runs poorly during warm-up (30 minutes of riding) and I
have adjusted the pilot screw out to the point where the bike started
popping off throttle. I also checked the carburetors' synchronization
and it look good. I am hoping it is not the vacuum diaphragm. Anyway
thanks for your help.
Mike

I don't think Websense is often wrong....

----Original Message----
From: jake@...
Date: 18/07/2007 12:42
To:
Subj: Re: [W650riders] NWC: Polish digital clock

?

I think your webfilter is wrong. Three reasons - 1. The site is all about the work of Nakamura-san and his colleagues, which is fancy design work and programming, not malicious stuff. 2. I think it's flipping out because of all of the fancy programming and Flash on their site, this is probably what the webfilter is programmed to think of as high-risk. 3. A search on Google.com for the domain yugop.com brings back a ton of hits about their work. If it was a malicious site, I'd expect a bunch of hits about how it's an evil site.

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Just my opinion,

?

Jake

----- Original Message -----

From: larry.botheras@tiscali.co.uk

...except my webfilter flags it as a malicious site with high security risks...

?

----Original Message----
From: petetibble@yahoo.com

And no, this isn't a Polish joke, it's a brilliant digital clock
designed by Polish students. Have a look, its quite addictive, if not
100% accurate:



Pete

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That's what I hear.? I had a couple of Riva 180's back in the eighties, and they were great!

jv_roberts2000 wrote:

If you ever get a chance to try out an Aprilia Scarabeo 150, go for it!!!

I think you would be pleasantly surprised.

Vernon

> The 125, but it's far from a thumper! I expected Riva 125
> performance, but got barely better than Jog performance...

> >
> > Ah, the Vino.....you got the 49cc two stroker or the big 125cc
> thumper
> > version??

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If you ever get a chance to try out an Aprilia Scarabeo 150, go for it!!!

I think you would be pleasantly surprised.

Vernon

The 125, but it's far from a thumper! I expected Riva 125
performance, but got barely better than Jog performance...--- In
W650riders@..., "jv_roberts2000" <jv_roberts2000@...>
wrote:

Ah, the Vino.....you got the 49cc two stroker or the big 125cc

thumper

version??


Vernon

Thanks. Now that tehy're gone and all I have is a Yamaha Vino, I

really need a W in that top left hand corner!

Here are pictures of the bikes I've owned and built or

modified since

I've had a digital camera. The space at top left is reserved

for a W!

Like a calm poodle. Extremely smart, but laid-back...--- In
W650riders@..., "jv_roberts2000" <jv_roberts2000@...>
wrote:

So.....tell us about the Labradoodle. I know the basics of them, but
how are they to live with??

Vernon

Here are pictures of the bikes I've owned and built or modified

since

I've had a digital camera. The space at top left is reserved for

a W!

For me, it is not whether to ride a motorcycle to work, or not, it is which motorcycle do I ride to work.

Crashes on the commute...serious enough to make the traffic report....

In Los Angeles, riding the Venture in to work, radio traffic usually notes 3 crashes, same thing going home..according to the CHP, LA has about 9,000,000 comuters passing through each day.

In Hawaii, Oahu (Honolulu County), usually 3 crashes in the morning, 3 more in the afternoon..island population of just over one million..probably 350,000 licensed drivers..maybe half of those at most on the road.

Jacksonville FL, on average 6 reported accidents with commuters in the morning..I don't see/hear the afternoon report. Just over 1,000,000 residents, maybe 350,000 drivers..I couldn't tell how many licensed drivers..none of my co-workers has a license. Riding here is Russian Roulette.



James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)

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...except my webfilter flags it as a malicious site with high security risks...

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----Original Message----
From: petetibble@...
Date: 17/07/2007 22:04
To: <W650riders@...>
Subj: [W650riders] NWC: Polish digital clock

And no, this isn't a Polish joke, it's a brilliant digital clock
designed by Polish students. Have a look, its quite addictive, if not
100% accurate:



Pete

Larry

Essex UK

W650 wrench....
'07 Moto Guzzi Norge 1200 GT
'77 KH 400
'78 CD 175
'94 Ural 650 Solo

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Ah, the Vino.....you got the 49cc two stroker or the big 125cc thumper
version??


Vernon

Thanks. Now that tehy're gone and all I have is a Yamaha Vino, I

really need a W in that top left hand corner!

Here are pictures of the bikes I've owned and built or modified since
I've had a digital camera. The space at top left is reserved for a W!

So.....tell us about the Labradoodle. I know the basics of them, but
how are they to live with??

Vernon

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It's scary in every big city, and thanks to the explosion of available?automotive electronic entertainment, it's getting scary everywhere! I can't tell you ho many dash-mounted DVD players I see operating WHILE the driver is driving, often with no passenger!

musicmatty@... wrote:

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From: Tachokay@cs.com
Date: 2007/07/17 Tue PM 06:32:19 CDT
To: W650riders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [W650riders] Ride your bike to work day

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I'll pass, Here in Montgomery County Maryland during rush hour traffic is asking for trouble. Lots and lots of Motorcycle accidents accur over here frequently. Between women putting on there face while driving and others talking on cell phones it's scarry.
Music Matty
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In a message dated 7/17/2007 4:02:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, larry.botheras@tiscali.co.uk writes:

Yep, can?€?t remember where I saw it?€?

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Larry Botheras

Essex UK



W650 Wrench



2007 Moto Guzzi Norge



1977 KH400



1978 CD175



1994 Ural Solo



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From: W650riders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:W650riders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Williams

Sent: 17 July 2007 06:16

To: W650 riders

Subject:</B> [W650riders] Ride your bike to work day











The SABMAG groupe says Wednesday is Ride Your Bike To Work Day.? I hadn't seen it mentioned elsewhere.?? Keith WilliamsE>



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Thanks.? Now that tehy're gone and all I have is a Yamaha Vino, I really need a W in that top left hand corner!

Ruari McLennan wrote:

Excellent!

Ruari

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To: <W650riders@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 3:37 PM
Subject: [W650riders] For your visual enjoyment

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Date: 2007/07/17 Tue PM 06:32:19 CDT
To: W650riders@...
Subject: Re: [W650riders] Ride your bike to work day







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