You gain points in some sports for putting your face down, you lose points in TRIALs for putting your feet down.



James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)

From: "Jonhaddock@..." <jonhaddock@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: <W650riders@...>
Subject: Re: Spam:, Re: [W650riders] :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS STRIKES AGAIN
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 17:17:54 +0100


Ha ha....That's what we call 'a dab'. Every time you put your face down you gain points!


What lovely sounding thumpers.

I can see myself disqualified in the first 20 feet for putting my face down.

gene in OR
----- Original Message -----
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I had this sort of thing in mind:-)


----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Fitch
From: Laura
>Trials? Is that motocross? exciting. I like the idea of riding
>in the woods, think it's called greenlaning. Liked riding on
>the grass at the rally next weekend.

Laura, here's some trials riding:





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Laura, Honda CRs are two strokes and they are high performance racable..the XRs and the XLs are 4 strokes.

The Suzuki DR 200, the Yamaha XT 225 (Serrow), and the Kawasaki Sherpa 250 are all electric start 4 strokes with seat heights at 30 inches or less unladen.



James Franklin
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808-225-0994 (cell)

From: Laura <laurauk.rider@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: W650riders@...
Subject: Re: [W650riders] :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS STRIKES AGAIN
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 23:15:59 +0100

OK. So that's a 2-stroke noisy bike then. Quite like the idea. Are they
cheap could I have them as second bike?
KTMs look cool, definitely too high. A friend just had to have his food
reshaped as he came off doing a wheelie at 70 (we think).
Laura


On 30/06/07, Jonhaddock@... <jonhaddock@...> wrote:

Yes, they ARE high, some higher than others, but the Honda XR 250's are
OK. I find I can manage those well with my 27" inside leg, but I can't ride
the KTM's for instance.

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*Subject:* Re: [W650riders] :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS STRIKES
AGAIN

I've sort of been interested in them as they look comfy (riding position),
well the ones I saw but don't know what they were. But they are mostly high
aren't they. Thanks for that long explanation really helpful.

Laura


On 30/06/07, Jonhaddock@... <jonhaddock@...
<jonhaddock@...+>> wrote:

That is modern trials...The bikes are 250cc or 300cc two stroke

singles,

tuned for instant wheelies with loads of bottom end grunt. They are

very

low
geared and have absolutely NO seat...just a painted black area
approximately
where the seat would have been.

Other off-road sports are:

Motocross where the bikes are tuned for power and like trials, have no
lights and are not road legal. MX bikes actually handle really well but
are
stupidly tall to give them masses of suspension travel...expect seat
heights
in excess of 960mm. Proper Supermotos are basically Motocross bikes

with

road front wheels on.

Enduro...Where the bikes are very similar to motocross but are more
softly
tuned with gear ratios more suitable to road use, and have lighting
sets.
These bikes are usually road legal in the UK and make literally

stunning

commuters. In all seriousness, you would have to try very hard indeed

to

find a better bike than a late model Honda XR250 for general urban
duties.
They weigh...brace yourself...230 lbs....under half your Harley...and

30

bhp
in a bike that light makes for serious performance. My old Yamaha 465
with
42 bhp would shut down any musclebike under the sun up to 60 mph. A lot
of
Enduro bikes were bought as 'greenlaners'. Green lanes are Roads...i.e.
'Rights of way open to all traffic' which were not tarmac. In other
words,
forgotten about or not used. Because they were roads, bikes still had

to

be
fully road legal and obey national speed limits. They are often just
muddy
tracks across moors and rivers and to be honest, full-on Enduro bikes
are
not designed for such tricky and challenging narrow paths....But being
macho
men we used 'em anyway!

Trail. These bikes are less extreme and less robust. They have less
suspension travel, less power and are often more civilised. You used to
find
some in every makers range but today in the UK, only grey imports are
found.
They were popular amongst older trail riders ( the ones who knew what
they
were doing). James has mentioned the Yam Serow, the Kawasaki Sherpa and
so
on, but older bikes like the XT250 were very good and frankly, the

XR250

Honda is so good and usable it'll cross into both camps.

All off-road bikes are brilliant fun, combining punchy motors with
incredibly light weight. Both motocross and Enduro bikes have to have
superb
handling stability because they are built to win races on bumpy rough
ground
and as a consequence, round town or the lanes, a motocross or enduro
bike
with road oriented tyres on usually blows 'proper' road bikes into the
weeds.

They are incredibly comfy too...really soft seats and amazingly good
suspension make for a real armchair riding position.

Very high credibility too......

Jon

From: Laura

Trials? Is that motocross? exciting. I like the idea of riding
in the woods, think it's called greenlaning. Liked riding on
the grass at the rally next weekend.

Laura, here's some trials riding:




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My first W never did the W-wobble thing, got pretty nasty when the seals began to stick on the front brake, but the wobble thing just never occurred. I had it to an indicated 115 MPH..a few times, only instability I ever felt was during high speed winds. I never rode without hands though, I have had other bikes do the tank slapper thing, and I don't push it.

W # II, did an obvious ocillation, not a true tank slapper, but scary. The steering head is a little loose, and that may be the cause of the instability. I haven't tightened down, just keep things mostly under 100 MPH, although I did do more than that in the VA mountains without any shaking.





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808-225-0994 (cell)

From: "Jonhaddock@..." <jonhaddock@...>
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To: <W650riders@...>
Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: Couple of newbie questions.
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 02:12:44 +0100


You have to pick your speeds...I usually end up sitting on a glove, trying
to sort out some issue with a flapping strap or whatever, and watching the
bars like a hawk as I wait for the shimmy to start!

My front Avon solved the problem initially but it came back eventually. It's
just a thing they do...like the old Commando's used to....

Jon, that sounds exactly like my shimmy. It is only noticeable when
you take your hands off the bars and goes away when you put them back
on. If however you continue with the 'no hands' style of riding, it
gets a lot worse. I've just had an avon roadrider put on the back
wheel and have now arranged for the matching front to be fitted next,
so we'll see how we get on with 2 new tyres. I know there is usually
no need to ride no hands, but there are times when you have to use
just one and I would like to have the confidence that the bike won't
throw a wobbly.

Thanks,

Pete

--- In W650riders@..., "Jonhaddock@..." <jonhaddock@...>
wrote:

The shimmy is common to many bikes and is cured by a small amount

of

friction. The best place to find it is in the front tyre contact

patch...The

stock front wears badly and the contact patch almost shrinks to

nothing. A

decent single compound ( i.e. not a stock Accolade) tyre transforms

the bike

and pretty much sorts the shimmy. I used an Avon Venom .

You should only notice the shimmy if you take your hands off and

just a

light touch restores equilibrium.

If it still persists enough to annoy, buy a steering damper...That

shimmy is

what they are built for!

Jon

Hello everyone, just got my W650 a few weeks ago and a couple of

issues

have arisen. probably been dealt with before but who knows.

Handlebar Shake: when throttling back from 50+ or so mph, the
handlebars give a wobble/shake at between 45-50mph, ok if you've

got

both hand on the handlebars, but if for some reason you don't,

there is

a noticeable shimmy until the speed drops to 40-45mph. Thought it

mught

have been down to a worn (very) rear tyre, but a new one has made

no

difference.

Momentary cough: sometimes, the engine gives a 'cough'. It alwaqys
recovers instantly and then won't happen again for the rest of

the ride.

Any suggestions for these issues, or are they all like it?

Thanks

Pete



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Wriders - We now have a themed monthly photo contest, the themes being holidays appropriate to the month or season. Winner's pic would be used as the YAHOO group homepage picture for that month (or maybe just that holiday). Contest is open to all.

Here's the rules:
There will be a new folder under the Temp Photos photo section (Not the Main homepage!) called _Photo Contest_ into which contest submissions will be placed.

The list of holidays for the year will be sent out at the beginning of each month.

You, the contestants, will peruse the list of holidays, and select the one(s) you want to try to capture the spirit of. The aim of the game is to have a bike in the pic, obviously the Dub is preferred but if you take an outstanding pic that matches the theme and has some other bike it will be considered. Please, pix must be ORIGINAL, and if copyrighted, permission must be granted by you for the moderators to use it. Also, you must name the pic in such a way that I'll know which holiday you're trying to represent. Last, bear in mind that smaller is better -- 600x400 or thereabouts is a good resolution.

During the month, I will look for pictures that seem to fit the coming month's holiday theme, and by the end of the month I will have selected one. I will then notify the moderators who will insert it in the homepage, to be the first thing anyone sees when they log on.

The current list of holidays is as follows:

January Celebration of New Year -- Australia Day
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September Labor Day (US/Canada) -- Father's Day (Australia)
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December Winter holiday season


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Looks like Mikes XS might have a set like the Posh. I don't know what
they sound like or baffeling...but it could save some coins and would
get to you a lot quicker.



--- In W650riders@..., Ruari McLennan <r.mclennan@...> wrote:

Thanks, but I found 'em. I like the 50s/60s teardrop or Triumph/BSA

type

muffler. See:



Ruari

---- Original Message -----
From: "ksufanatic342" <ksufanatic@...>
To: <W650riders@...>
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 4:56 PM
Subject: [W650riders] Re: Exhausts & retro noise

The EMGO 17" reverse megaphones with repackable baffles. (IE removable
baffles.) Scroll down about half way or so on this page to find them





--- In W650riders@..., "Roy Easthill" <roy@> wrote:

Raasks Mini Zooms.
Roy.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ruari McLennan
To: W650 Riders
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:48 PM
Subject: [W650riders] Exhausts & retro noise



OK, folks, THIS is the SOUND I want!!! Where do we get them?





And are they slip-ons?

Ruari




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Here is a video on Youtube of a Bonnie with them...

I have been a W owner for 5 years now, And ready to move on to diff.
toy. I'm not sure how much to ask for my bike. It is a 2000 with 3k
miles, blue and silver, no modifications, almost new condition. I live
in Minnesota (twin cities area).

Good luck with the new bike, Donovan, and don't be a stranger here.

Pete C
ps - oh yeah...."Live long and prosper" (just had to throw that in
of course! <G>)




--- In W650riders@..., Donovan Wilson
<pugsley240001@...> wrote:

The w is gone . We shared 58,000 kms . Most were 2 up . I am

really gonna miss that bike .

I wasn,t a big contributer to the list but I did read most of the

posts and learned a lot. I wish to thank all the posters and
moderators for there efforts .

PS I promise not to ask any W650 rider the question . What year

is your Triumph ? ?

I also ask John not to dis the Vulcan or Mr.Spock.
Thx Donovan Wilson
Brantford Canada

Happy Canada Day

I've done so much custom work on my W650 that I need to look at a
stock one to see if I've made any mistakes when I resassembled the
bike. Just want to come by and take a peek if you're within a 100
miles or so of New York City. (Long Island, NJ or CT).
David
Best to reach me at: davseidman@...

?The w is gone . We shared 58,000 kms . Most were 2 up . I am really gonna miss that bike .
?I wasn,t a big contributer to the list but I did read most of the posts and learned a lot. I wish to thank all the posters and moderators for there efforts .
? PS I promise not to ask any W650 rider the question . What year is your Triumph ? ?
? I also ask John not to dis the Vulcan or Mr.Spock.
?Thx Donovan Wilson
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??????
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They are not the same size. The rear tyre is 30 mm wider.

?

There are two issues here. The height issue is to do with handling, the width issue to do with matching radii. The 120/90 is slightly taller than the 130, which is good for high speed stability and secure handling. The 120 is also not as wide as the 'picked for fashion looks' 130 and so is nearer to the 100 front. The front is also a 90 profile so has a similar curve to the 120/90. The 80's are a shallower side to side radius.

?

Jon

?

Actually Jon is better at sorting this, as he did post.

?

Dennis

?

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From: ed_massey

To: W650riders@...

Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 12:09 PM

Subject: [W650riders] Re: Rear tire width question

Thanks for that info Dennis.
Stock 130/80 sidewall height = 104mm
100/90 sidewall height = 90mm
So with a 14mm sidewall height difference x 2 as there are two
sidewalls in the diameter) the rear has 28mm or one inch taller
overall sidewall height than the front tire. So the stock 100/90 19
and the stock 130/80 18 fully assembled and inflated are actually the
same size. If this is true then why go to a 120/90 rear and upset the
balance?

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Dennis...You finally have an excuse to hire a Bobcat!

Yeah, now to find a strapping young man to dig the ditch...

?

?

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Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:04 PM

Subject: Re: [W650riders] NWC: Satellite Internet Access Question

I think the cable option is definitely the best route....There are a lot of extra clever features as well, like movies on demand and so on...

?

Jon

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Hey, there's this lady who has this cool shed....

Jake

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