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I know you all are going to hate me for this, but I was able to purchase a Unimat Jigsaw/fret saw at an estate sale for $4.00 and a Unimat Table saw at the same sale for $3.00 (I later found the fence, miter gage, and blade guards in different rooms for $.50 each so $4.50 total).? I was unable to locate the eccentric drive for the jigsaw or the blade arbor for the table saw anywhere, so I need to make them.? I also could not find the Mounting bar for the table saw.
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I have seen the drawings that are in the files section for the Table saw arbor, and the ones that are there for the eccentric, but I am wondering if anyone would be willing to take a couple of photos of the actual eccentric and provide the measurements (I would like the original one that is counter balanced) Also the Center-to-center distance between the spindle center and drive pin center, which I think is 5mm?? If anyone has pictures or drawings of the table saw mounting bar I would appreciate it.
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Thanks in advance!
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BTW, there was a Unimat lathe, and boxes of Unimat accessories at this sale that I was unable to get because they were sold by the time I got in the door.? The Unimat lathe went for $65.00 and most accessories were $3.00 each
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Jim in Minnesota
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If that is the case, you have to change your name from "Quick" to "Almost on time"
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I know you all are going to hate me for this, but I was able to purchase a Unimat Jigsaw/fret saw at an estate sale for $4.00 and a Unimat Table saw at the same sale for $3.00 (I later found the fence, miter gage, and blade guards in different rooms for
$.50 each so $4.50 total).? I was unable to locate the eccentric drive for the jigsaw or the blade arbor for the table saw anywhere, so I need to make them.? I also could not find the Mounting bar for the table saw.
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I have seen the drawings that are in the files section for the Table saw arbor, and the ones that are there for the eccentric, but I am wondering if anyone would be willing to take a couple of photos of the actual eccentric and provide the measurements
(I would like the original one that is counter balanced) Also the Center-to-center distance between the spindle center and drive pin center, which I think is 5mm?? If anyone has pictures or drawings of the table saw mounting bar I would appreciate it.
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Thanks in advance!
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BTW, there was a Unimat lathe, and boxes of Unimat accessories at this sale that I was unable to get because they were sold by the time I got in the door.? The Unimat lathe went for $65.00 and most accessories were $3.00 each
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Jim in Minnesota
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Fret saw: beware, there are at least two different size eccentrics, depending on which saw you have, earlier or later
First found that out when I purchased one online for my early saw and turned out it didn’t fit because it was for the later one.
?Friendly regards,? Alan
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On 10 Sep 2024, at 19:59, Andrei <calciu1@...> wrote:
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If that is the case, you have to change your name from "Quick" to "Almost on time"
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I know you all are going to hate me for this, but I was able to purchase a Unimat Jigsaw/fret saw at an estate sale for $4.00 and a Unimat Table saw at the same sale for $3.00 (I later found the fence, miter gage, and blade guards in different rooms for
$.50 each so $4.50 total).? I was unable to locate the eccentric drive for the jigsaw or the blade arbor for the table saw anywhere, so I need to make them.? I also could not find the Mounting bar for the table saw.
?
I have seen the drawings that are in the files section for the Table saw arbor, and the ones that are there for the eccentric, but I am wondering if anyone would be willing to take a couple of photos of the actual eccentric and provide the measurements
(I would like the original one that is counter balanced) Also the Center-to-center distance between the spindle center and drive pin center, which I think is 5mm?? If anyone has pictures or drawings of the table saw mounting bar I would appreciate it.
?
Thanks in advance!
?
BTW, there was a Unimat lathe, and boxes of Unimat accessories at this sale that I was unable to get because they were sold by the time I got in the door.? The Unimat lathe went for $65.00 and most accessories were $3.00 each
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Jim in Minnesota
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TBF Thats about all a Unimat is worth ! Id say ?50 is about on the money. I have NO IDEA why people pay Hundreds for this little lathe. Its Crazy
On Tuesday, 10 September 2024 at 19:19:39 BST, Alan Ehrlich <alan.ehrlich@...> wrote:
Fret saw: beware, there are at least two different size eccentrics, depending on which saw you have, earlier or later
First found that out when I purchased one online for my early saw and turned out it didn’t fit because it was for the later one.
?Friendly regards,? Alan
On 10 Sep 2024, at 19:59, Andrei <calciu1@...> wrote:
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If that is the case, you have to change your name from "Quick" to "Almost on time"
???
I know you all are going to hate me for this, but I was able to purchase a Unimat Jigsaw/fret saw at an estate sale for $4.00 and a Unimat Table saw at the same sale for $3.00 (I later found the fence, miter gage, and blade guards in different rooms for
$.50 each so $4.50 total).? I was unable to locate the eccentric drive for the jigsaw or the blade arbor for the table saw anywhere, so I need to make them.? I also could not find the Mounting bar for the table saw.
?
I have seen the drawings that are in the files section for the Table saw arbor, and the ones that are there for the eccentric, but I am wondering if anyone would be willing to take a couple of photos of the actual eccentric and provide the measurements
(I would like the original one that is counter balanced) Also the Center-to-center distance between the spindle center and drive pin center, which I think is 5mm?? If anyone has pictures or drawings of the table saw mounting bar I would appreciate it.
?
Thanks in advance!
?
BTW, there was a Unimat lathe, and boxes of Unimat accessories at this sale that I was unable to get because they were sold by the time I got in the door.? The Unimat lathe went for $65.00 and most accessories were $3.00 each
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Jim in Minnesota
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Something's "worth" is not what one individual thinks (except to that individual) whether it be something exceptionally low (usually a buyer) or exceptionally high (usually a seller).? Rather, it is what the "market" thinks.? The market price being set by how many are offered, and how many want it, and how badly.? And, especially once something is a collectible, its condition can be a very nonlinear contributor to a higher price.
Sometimes, things end up in a Goodwill store or garage sale where somebody selling does not know the market price.? And there is a bargain.? Or sometimes who are sometimes called "widows and orphans" sell things not knowing their real value and somebody takes advantage of that.? But most decent Unimats and decent accessories, especially some of the rare accessories, have what I would call a pretty high market value.
Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer
On Tuesday, September 10, 2024 at 11:28:04 AM PDT, clankennedy2004 via groups.io <clankennedy2004@...> wrote:
TBF Thats about all a Unimat is worth ! Id say ?50 is about on the money. I have NO IDEA why people pay Hundreds for this little lathe. Its Crazy
On Tuesday, 10 September 2024 at 19:19:39 BST, Alan Ehrlich <alan.ehrlich@...> wrote:
Fret saw: beware, there are at least two different size eccentrics, depending on which saw you have, earlier or later
First found that out when I purchased one online for my early saw and turned out it didn’t fit because it was for the later one.
?Friendly regards,? Alan
On 10 Sep 2024, at 19:59, Andrei <calciu1@...> wrote:
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If that is the case, you have to change your name from "Quick" to "Almost on time"
???
I know you all are going to hate me for this, but I was able to purchase a Unimat Jigsaw/fret saw at an estate sale for $4.00 and a Unimat Table saw at the same sale for $3.00 (I later found the fence, miter gage, and blade guards in different rooms for
$.50 each so $4.50 total).? I was unable to locate the eccentric drive for the jigsaw or the blade arbor for the table saw anywhere, so I need to make them.? I also could not find the Mounting bar for the table saw.
?
I have seen the drawings that are in the files section for the Table saw arbor, and the ones that are there for the eccentric, but I am wondering if anyone would be willing to take a couple of photos of the actual eccentric and provide the measurements
(I would like the original one that is counter balanced) Also the Center-to-center distance between the spindle center and drive pin center, which I think is 5mm?? If anyone has pictures or drawings of the table saw mounting bar I would appreciate it.
?
Thanks in advance!
?
BTW, there was a Unimat lathe, and boxes of Unimat accessories at this sale that I was unable to get because they were sold by the time I got in the door.? The Unimat lathe went for $65.00 and most accessories were $3.00 each
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Jim in Minnesota
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Hi Charles, I get that, collectors and rarity drive up prices but that's not of any interest or practical use to me. I look at a lathe as a tool. The condition of that tool is important for sure but also the practicality of it ! What diameter can it swing, How deep a cut can it achieve. What materials can it realistically handle. Of course price is a consideration as well so when you compare a Unimat to a Sieg I think the Unimat starts to show some weakness in its construction and choice of material and design. It has a niche for certain and I am drawn to them for the compact form factor but the price v performance is not very good IMHO. Id love to own one but I have a Sieg C0 that does me for the Mini - Small stuff and I've a Zyto and ML7 for the Small - Medium Range of Items i need to swing. I think the Emco's would be better for the Micro - Mini items I guess but I've never used one and I'm not going to pay a silly price for one so I guess I never will. However even in that range I'm sure a proper watchmakers Lathe would perform better and I realize there prices are even more ridiculous. Oh well. Guess i need a lottery win :) Kind Regards.
On Tuesday, 10 September 2024 at 19:55:35 BST, Charles Kinzer <ckinzer@...> wrote:
Something's "worth" is not what one individual thinks (except to that individual) whether it be something exceptionally low (usually a buyer) or exceptionally high (usually a seller).? Rather, it is what the "market" thinks.? The market price being set by how many are offered, and how many want it, and how badly.? And, especially once something is a collectible, its condition can be a very nonlinear contributor to a higher price.
Sometimes, things end up in a Goodwill store or garage sale where somebody selling does not know the market price.? And there is a bargain.? Or sometimes who are sometimes called "widows and orphans" sell things not knowing their real value and somebody takes advantage of that.? But most decent Unimats and decent accessories, especially some of the rare accessories, have what I would call a pretty high market value.
Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer
On Tuesday, September 10, 2024 at 11:28:04 AM PDT, clankennedy2004 via groups.io <clankennedy2004@...> wrote:
TBF Thats about all a Unimat is worth ! Id say ?50 is about on the money. I have NO IDEA why people pay Hundreds for this little lathe. Its Crazy
On Tuesday, 10 September 2024 at 19:19:39 BST, Alan Ehrlich <alan.ehrlich@...> wrote:
Fret saw: beware, there are at least two different size eccentrics, depending on which saw you have, earlier or later
First found that out when I purchased one online for my early saw and turned out it didn’t fit because it was for the later one.
?Friendly regards,? Alan
On 10 Sep 2024, at 19:59, Andrei <calciu1@...> wrote:
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If that is the case, you have to change your name from "Quick" to "Almost on time"
???
I know you all are going to hate me for this, but I was able to purchase a Unimat Jigsaw/fret saw at an estate sale for $4.00 and a Unimat Table saw at the same sale for $3.00 (I later found the fence, miter gage, and blade guards in different rooms for
$.50 each so $4.50 total).? I was unable to locate the eccentric drive for the jigsaw or the blade arbor for the table saw anywhere, so I need to make them.? I also could not find the Mounting bar for the table saw.
?
I have seen the drawings that are in the files section for the Table saw arbor, and the ones that are there for the eccentric, but I am wondering if anyone would be willing to take a couple of photos of the actual eccentric and provide the measurements
(I would like the original one that is counter balanced) Also the Center-to-center distance between the spindle center and drive pin center, which I think is 5mm?? If anyone has pictures or drawings of the table saw mounting bar I would appreciate it.
?
Thanks in advance!
?
BTW, there was a Unimat lathe, and boxes of Unimat accessories at this sale that I was unable to get because they were sold by the time I got in the door.? The Unimat lathe went for $65.00 and most accessories were $3.00 each
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Jim in Minnesota
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If I would suggest anything for anyone to buy in a small lathe, it would be a Sherline.? For lathe work, I feel that it is better than a Unimat.? It does not have all of the accessories, but the vertical milling column is superior to the Uni.? Now of course you will be paying new prices.? But Sherline has something on sale each month.? If you are willing to spend, there is a head that directly takes ER16s and one for 3Cs (1/2" through the head).
For me, it is very important that it is still made in the US.? I am very disappointed that so many of our products and our jobs have been sent to China and Mexico.
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On Tue, Sep 10, 2024 at 12:34 PM, James Quick wrote:
I have seen the drawings that are in the files section for the Table saw arbor, and the ones that are there for the eccentric, but I am wondering if anyone would be willing to take a couple of photos of the actual eccentric and provide the measurements (I would like the original one that is counter balanced) Also the Center-to-center distance between the spindle center and drive pin center, which I think is 5mm?? If anyone has pictures or drawings of the table saw mounting bar I would appreciate it.
Here you go - along with a quick drawing
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Jim,
Thank you for these.? Exactly what I was looking for.
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Jim
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I would just say that the old DB/SL is pleasantly versatile in use, and I often returned to it with a sigh of relief after working with some of the other small lathes that are around. I now use a U3 and it is OK for small work, which is exactly what I got it for. Having got used to having machines which I can simply put away after use makes me look at bigger machines and wonder where I would put them - they'd be in the way most of the time. The C0 is, I believe, closely related to the U3, so I would imagine (hope) it is equally useful. My SL was not expensive - in fact I sold it once, and then my brother bought it back again purely for some of the accessories that would fit his bigger lathe and he gave me the bits he didn't want. I got more back than I originally sold. I then used it for a few years making small parts for Ferrari (not for the cars) which earned me ?10000 a year, so I have a fondness for them. However the SL has gone to Australia in my nephews luggage - how many lathes can you just pop in your suitcase along with your other belongings - and I find the U3 is doing everything I want it to at the moment. But it wouldn't be adaptable enough to do the Ferrari job if it came up again.
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I think if you had a DB/SL and had got used to it you would find it useful to keep it around, even if you have a assortment of other machines.
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Hi Keith:
I have a SL
that is great for the small jobs. I also have a Smithy Granite
13x24 that is better for the larger work. But the Unimat is the
go to tool for drilling small holes and I have made a base so I
can use it with the Granite as a live spindle for second
operations.
I offered it
for sale years ago and am very glad the deal never went
through!!
Carl.
On 9/10/2024 11:14 PM, Keith S. Angus
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I would just say that the old DB/SL is pleasantly versatile
in use, and I often returned to it with a sigh of relief after
working with some of the other small lathes that are around. I
now use a U3 and it is OK for small work, which is exactly what
I got it for. Having got used to having machines which I can
simply put away after use makes me look at bigger machines and
wonder where I would put them - they'd be in the way most of the
time. The C0 is, I believe, closely related to the U3, so I
would imagine (hope) it is equally useful. My SL was not
expensive - in fact I sold it once, and then my brother bought
it back again purely for some of the accessories that would fit
his bigger lathe and he gave me the bits he didn't want. I got
more back than I originally sold. I then used it for a few years
making small parts for Ferrari (not for the cars) which earned
me ?10000 a year, so I have a fondness for them. However the SL
has gone to Australia in my nephews luggage - how many lathes
can you just pop in your suitcase along with your other
belongings - and I find the U3 is doing everything I want it to
at the moment. But it wouldn't be adaptable enough to do the
Ferrari job if it came up again.
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I think if you had a DB/SL and had got used to it you would
find it useful to keep it around, even if you have a assortment
of other machines.
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On Tue, Sep 10, 2024 at 11:46 PM, Jim Korman wrote:
Here you go - along with a quick drawing
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Just a couple of things to note. The eccentricity is not dimensioned on the drawing, but everything points to it being 10 mm, so a 20 mm throw. Also note the radial hole just visible in this picture:
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https://www.doublemountainview.us/shopwork/unimat/eccentric/20240910_170819.jpg
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Presumably this is a tommy bar hole (so 4 mm diameter) to help in getting it off.
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Also note that the 12 mm thread is actually M12 × 1, although you may be already tooled up for that. Since the hole does not have the clearance for the plain 12 mm portion of the spindle you may have to watch the depth of the threaded hole to control the position of the eccentric. Or you could add washers or other packing to make sure it lines up with the connecting link. Just something to keep an eye on.
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On Tue, Sep 10, 2024 at 07:56 PM, James Quick wrote:
Jim,
Thank you for these.? Exactly what I was looking for.
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Jim, I updated the drawing to show the correct position of the eccentric. You may have
to refresh your browser to get the new photo.
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Jim Korman
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Jim, I am in Minnesota also. Just curious, what part of Minnesota do you live? I am in Buffalo, Mn
On Wednesday, September 11, 2024, 2:05 PM, Jim Korman <jimkorman@...> wrote: On Tue, Sep 10, 2024 at 07:56 PM, James Quick wrote:
Jim,
Thank you for these.? Exactly what I was looking for.
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Jim, I updated the drawing to show the correct position of the eccentric. You may have
to refresh your browser to get the new photo.
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Jim Korman
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On Tue, Sep 10, 2024 at 10:27 PM, Keith S. Angus wrote:
https://www.doublemountainview.us/shopwork/unimat/eccentric/20240910_170819.jpg
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Presumably this is a tommy bar hole (so 4 mm diameter) to help in getting it off.
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Also note that the 12 mm thread is actually M12 × 1, although you may be already tooled up for that. Since the hole does not have the clearance for the plain 12 mm portion of the spindle you may have to watch the depth of the threaded hole to control the position of the eccentric. Or you could add washers or other packing to make sure it lines up with the connecting link. Just something to keep an eye on.
Yes, it appears that the hole is for a tommy bar so that the eccentric can be tightened on the spindle.
I didn't call out the spindle thread as I assumed most would know that.
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Jim Korman
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On Fri, Sep 13, 2024 at 12:07 AM, Jim Korman wrote:
I didn't call out the spindle thread as I assumed most would know that.
Most will know, but best not to assume all do.
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Jim Korman
Carl
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