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Re: UI-VIEW .....Unproto problem ?
Alan Ralph
Thanks, I will try your suggestions
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Re: UI-VIEW .....Unproto problem ?
Roger Barker <[email protected]
In article <923641875.30699@...>, a.ralph@... writes
From: a.ralph@...Messages are sent as unproto frames addressed to the station with whom you are communicating. To do that with a TNC in terminal mode means you have to change the TNC UNPROTO setting according to what unproto address you want to use. You can get a problem if you're not using the station beacon in UI-View, but are relying on the BTEXT in your TNC. In that case, the TNC BTEXT will be sent to whatever UNPROTO UI-View last set. The solution is to use UI-View's beacons because it will then disable the TNC beacon. 2.Also the station I am working will also then move location to be on top of myI'll have a look at that. Host mode none is definitely a bit clunky, but it's the best that can be done with a TNC in terminal mode. Try using host mode KISS, it's much better than host mode none and the above problems will disappear. The TNC will be put into KISS mode when the program starts and put back into terminal mode when you close it. -- Roger Barker, G4IDE roger@... Boston, UK |
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Re: UI-VIEW .....Unproto problem ?
"Tony Boom" <[email protected]
I can confirm that when in contact (so to speak) with Alan via UI-View, that
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a few odd things have happened. I think I understand his Unproto problem and I am sure that it is just the target call sign that is changing rather than the actual Unproto address that his beacon is addressed to. I have no experience of TNC's other than in Kiss with BPQ so his setup is alien to me. I could be wrong as on a few occasions, after receiving frames from Alan, I have instantly moved house from 3 miles north of Peterborough to 4 miles South and appear to live in the flat above Alan. It is just as if the frames being sent by Alan are reprogramming my Station Setup details, Lat/Long etc so that my icon jumps instanltly on top of his one. Strange but true.....Maybe one of the bugs that Roger speaks of? Other than that, I love it. It's kept me up till gone 1am talking to people live that I've only ever seen in my MH list before. All the best. Tony. ----- Original Message -----
From: <a.ralph@...> To: <ui-view@...> Sent: 09 April 1999 08:11 Subject: [ui-view] UI-VIEW .....Unproto problem ? |
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V0.7b Update Withdrawn
Roger Barker <[email protected]
I've found one or two, or three :-( bugs in the V0.7b update, so I've
withdrawn it. Sorry about that. -- Roger Barker, G4IDE roger@... Boston, UK |
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UI-VIEW .....Unproto problem ?
Hi All,
I have been running UI-VIEW for a few days, and all was OK, but I have now started to use the message & ping facility a lot more. However I have to report some strange effects. 1.When in QSO (Message) with a station via Ui-View my TNC UNPROTO gets reprogrammed with thier callsign ? If I reset it to CQ RELAY WIDE, after the first "ping" or "Message acknowlege" it changes again. I have viewed the TNC parameters with a terminal prog outside uiview and can confim that the change is for "real". 2.Also the station I am working will also then move location to be on top of my QTH ! I have seen this in both V06 & 07. My set-up is UIVIEW direct to TNC (Kantronics KPC2).The other station (M0AWB) is using TNC in Kiss mode,Sally and UIVIEW.I believe he uses BPQ, however I know that Tony is a member of this group, so may add his comments when he sees this posting. My Host mode in UIVIEW is set to none. I also tried DDE via WINPACK and still got the same effect. Help please ? Alan G8XLH |
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Station tags
After a time all Station Tags disapear from the screen. Houses remain on screen and all other program functions are OK. Selecting a different map returns tags. I wonder if anyone has any clues ?
I would like to thank Roger for this excellent piece of software, it's certainly livened packet up no end in Yorkshir! |
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Beacon questions/KISS/AGW
Keith Maton
Greetings.
When a TNC (tiny2 firmware in STW board) is put into KISS mode does it stop sending it's beacons out? I'm pretty sure that it does, and with 0.7b that's a superb way of telling whether someone has UI-View running. I run AGWPE. My TNC beacon text is my location and is set to every half hour. When AGWPE kicks in and the beacons are effectively disabled, UI-View takes over sending them, and with the new tag that Roger has featured it's now easy for anyone else to spot whether UI- View is loaded or not. Well done again, Roger. Keith. G6NHU |
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V0.7b Available
Roger Barker <[email protected]
I've just uploaded V0.7b - both a full version and an update that can be
applied to V0.6b - to my web site. The urls are:- Full version Update Please don't publicise these links outside this mailing list. Here's the relevant section of HISTORY.TXT:- V0.7b 1999-Apr-06 1. If you switched to another app when one of UI-Views set-up dialogues was open, then, when you switched back, the dialogue seemed to have disappeared. (In fact it hadn't, and you could use Alt+Tab to get back to it.) This strange behaviour is now fixed. 2. "Colours..." option added to the station right- click menu. This allows you to change the foreground and background colours of the station callsign labels. 3. "Add UI-View Tag" option added to the Station Setup and the Wx Station Setup dialogues. If this box is checked, then a tag like "{UIV07}" is appended to the station and/or wx beacons. This allows other UI-View systems to identify you as a Ui-View user. Stations transmitting the tag are marked with a '*' in the Stations List and their callsign labels on the maps use different colours to stations that aren't transmitting the tag. 4. Fixed a problem that stopped GPS data from some GPSs being displayed. 5. The longitude and latitude in the map INF files can now be input as either <longitude>,<latitude> or <latitude>,<longitude>. This makes it easier to copy the corner co-ordinates from the Attica CD maps. 6. The help updated to reflect the above changes. Also a comment added to the Station Setup section about sending beacons via digipeaters. 7. HISTORY.TXT option added to the Help menu. -- Roger Barker, G4IDE roger@... Boston, UK |
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Software reports
Keith Maton
Firstly, thanks to Roger for such a superb program. I for one hope it
continues after the beta stage and yes, I'd be prepared to pay for it. Now, a couple of suggestions/observations. 1) Move or remove the "exit" option on the top bar. Traditionally the rightmost option is always "help" and I've already closed it down by mistake a couple of times! 2) Possible minor bug report - Options/Announce Stations. When first going into this option the tick doesn't show as to what is selected until the mouse is moved further into the box. 3) There is no number 3. 4) Would it be possible to set the size of the fonts for the displayed callsigns. I'm running a map covering a good few miles and a cluster of stations in the same town are pretty much unreadable. 5) Is there any way the map can be zoomed? Once again, thanks Roger! Keith. -- Keith Maton, G6NHU Director of Personnel, Noble Air feek@... ICQ: 1776683 |
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Re: Digest Number 10
Roger Barker <[email protected]
In article <000001be813c$65174fc0$2393a6c3@m0ads>, John Nixon
<john@...> writes From: "John Nixon" <john@...>[snip] I appreciate the progam may be in its early development stages, andI can have a look at that. I've done a similar thing with other programs, but it can have problems:- (a) To keep it in time order requires continually removing existing list entries and then inserting them at the top, as stations are heard. That's ok with 20 or so stations, but, when the great day comes and there are dozens of stations in the list, it can be a bit clunky. (b) You will be just about to click a list entry to get the details, or whatever, and it moves! 2. On Win 3.11 the Window does not display 2 lines... I know, but the otherOops! The window is sized to twice the font height, plus 4 pixels. However, I've just tested it, and it appears to need another 4 pixels in Win31 before it will display two lines. (Given that some users have had the program for three months, and no-one has previously commented on it, suggests that very few people still use Win31!) I've fixed it now. 3. A standardised digi sytem... I know that others are trying overI've commented on the digipeating, or not, of beacons in a previous message. The limits of what is acceptable in terms of digipeating are going to vary greatly from one area to another. BPQ nodes make very good digipeaters, because they can support more than one alias, so you can use a generic alias such as RELAY, and also use the node's alias. 4. The maps are good, and I expect that is all we can expect, as a continuosYou can't take maps straight off the Attica CD, even if you have it in the drive. You need to first save them as GIFs or BMPs and create the associated INF files. I could add support for vectored maps, which give better zoom, but the available data for the UK is very poor. Using bitmaps seems a good method for our little country! 5. Educate the User's who are frightened in case you or I give them aIn that case, they'll have to apply a bit of self-training! ;-) I have been surprised by the problems that have occurred with people trying to put lat and long in their BTEXT. The most common one is not putting enough digits for longitude. Also, to make the input of lat and long in the UI-View Station Setup as simple as possible, I made the format e.g. ddd.mm.hh - two separating dots. However, the dot between degrees and minutes is removed before the data is transmitted, so if you copy the *input* format into a BTEXT, it doesn't work. -- Roger Barker, G4IDE roger@... Boston, UK |
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Re: Digest Number 10
Alan Ralph
As a packet user (and Ui-View) I am very pleased to see that you have taken
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the "lead" in introducing lat/long to your BBs beacons. I sometimes operate packet away from my home BBS (Club talks-Thinking Day-Jota-or "away" on business") and it would be very nice if we could encourage more sysops to follow your example, since it would enable me to determine which BBS/Nodes can be heard from my temporary location. Alan G8XLH -----Original Message----- |
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Re: Digest Number 10
"John Nixon" <[email protected]
Hi All,
No problem here running the proggy. Apologies if anything has been mentioned before, I take the 5th amendment as a new subscriber ! South Yorks Packet User Group, Nodes and BBS's are now sending beacons in Lat/Lon format, and we request further development of the program....Please Roger ! We are all using BPQ..Kiss software on various machines and we are hoping it could become a usefull development tool i.e. if you know where the users are, you can plan ! I appreciate the progam may be in its early development stages, and therefore needs some tinkering, but the group fully supports Roger's latest enterprise. Thought's for the moment: 1. Can we have the station list in time order or a choice ? 2. On Win 3.11 the Window does not display 2 lines... I know, but the other machine has just gone down, and it is the old font problem :-) 3. A standardised digi sytem... I know that others are trying over Packet..perhaps the Users will win...but Roger knows the limitations ! 4. The maps are good, and I expect that is all we can expect, as a continuos zoom is not possible without the CD being in the drive, without making them toooo large. (?) 5. Educate the User's who are frightened in case you or I give them a visit...most don't even know where they are! :-) If this has all been said before, then my apologies, but perhaps it needs to be said. Well Done Roger...keep it coming...we like it ! 73 John M0ADS M0ADS@... M0ADS@... Packet M0ADS@GB7MRU.#19.GBR.EU |
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Re: Tracker not showing
"Chris McCarthy" <[email protected]
UI-View will actually decode yours ok, but the preliminary "is it GPS?"Thats good, I'm using the Garmin GPS25 by the way. Is the fixed version available? Chris@... |
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Re: Connection via WINPDDE ?
Alan Ralph
Thanks for the reply Roger, I will go home tonight and try it out.
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Re: Connection via WINPDDE ?
Roger Barker <[email protected]
In article <923478250.17346@...>, a.ralph@... writes
From: a.ralph@...You must have MON ON in WinPack. Also, you need HEADERLN ON and MCOM ON, or similar according to TNC type. The important points are that the frame header must be on a separate line to the frame content, and the header must show the frame type. If you use host mode none, then UI-View sends suitable commands to the TNC when it starts up. I also have a problem setting UNPROTO in my TNC to CQ,Relay,Wide (WrongYes, that is correct syntax, but if you are using UI-View other than in WINPDDE mode (WINPDDE mode can't transmit) and you input it as "CQ,RELAY,WIDE" in the Station Setup, then UI-View should translate it to the correct format for whatever host mode you are using. One point about this RELAY,WIDE thing:- I've seen a lot of comment about it on the packet network, but I left discussion of sending beacons via digis out of the help for a good reason. I intended UI-View to be usable, on an everyday basis, on the packet channels that people normally use - i.e. the BBS channels. I didn't intend it to be a program like APRS, that really needs its own channel in order to be useful. A main aim has been to keep the amount of traffic it generates to a minimum. In some areas you'll get away with digipeating beacons without any problem. In south Lincs / north Cambs, we've been doing it for months and no-one has complained or even commented. It's a rural area, so packet users aren't as numerous as in some other parts of the country, and we're a very friendly lot! However, in some areas you will undoubtedly get serious problems from the local packet police if you start bouncing beacons around digipeaters. Therefore my advice would be to use digipeating with caution on the BBS channels. It isn't a prerequisite of using the program. Of course, if you use the program on the 2m channel reserved for programs like UI-View and APRS (if/when the RSGB get round to allocating such a channel ;-), then that caution will no longer apply. The latest version of the help now includes this comment in the Station Setup section:- * If you send your beacon via digipeaters, please be aware that it can create significant extra traffic, particularly if you use a generic repeater alias such as RELAY. The use of digipeaters in the beacon unproto address may not be appropriate in areas where the packet channels are very busy. DON'T let's get UI-View a bad name by generating too much beacon traffic! * -- Roger Barker, G4IDE roger@... Boston, UK |
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Connection via WINPDDE ?
Yesterday I installed the software, and at first tried using the WINPDDE option in the "host mode" settings. Unfortunatly there seemed to be no response via WINPACK 6.4 (Winpack was running, but not connected)T
I then tried setting "None", closed Winpack and all started to work OK ? Is there something I have not done ? I also have a problem setting UNPROTO in my TNC to CQ,Relay,Wide (Wrong syntax,does not like the comma) The only way to enter this is:- UNPROTO CQ Via Relay,Wide Will this work ? At present I can only see three local stations, which are in direct range of my station. The TNC is a Kantronics KPC2, with direct connect to PC running Winpack.Operating system Win98. Regards G8XLH General Comment for Roger"It looks a fine program, I hope it continues,and may restore some real-time QSO's to packet users.It would be usefull if the stations running UIVIEW also included some real-time information in the Station Info screen like....Monitoring 70.200,144.300 beaming north etc.......Then it could be used as an indication of where real-time voice traffic can be exchanged, or help with DXing, but for distances not worthy of posting on the DX Cluster. I guess some form of Input form would help eg Whats your BBS,E-Mail,Where do you listen...What do you think ?" |
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Re: Tracker not showing
Roger Barker <[email protected]
In article <000301be8024$e1756de0$6715883e@pentium166>, Chris McCarthy
<chris@...> writes From: "Chris McCarthy" <chris@...>UI-View messages aren't compatible with APRS messages. There's a fairly fundamental difference - the destination address for APRS messages is in the message text, but UI-View uses the unproto address as the destination. Also, the structure of the message is rather different. The problem is, my tracker isn't appearing on the map. I can see the packetsI've just checked that and it looks like I've got a problem with unexpected differences in the format of the $GPGGA sentence. :-( Here's yours:- $GPGGA,091644,5202.9506,N,00108.9689,E,1,08,1.3,83.2,M,47.0,M,,*74 And here's what comes out of the GPS 45XL I've been using for testing:- $GPGGA,123748,5258.308,N,00002.774,W,1,06,1.6,1.4,M,47.1,M,,*5A Yours has an extra decimal place on the lat and long. UI-View will actually decode yours ok, but the preliminary "is it GPS?" filter rejects it, so it never gets as far as being decoded. I've fixed it now. -- Roger Barker, G4IDE roger@... Boston, UK |
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Re: Unproto set to UIVIEW?
"Ken Collins" <[email protected]
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From: Roger Barker <roger@...> To: ui-view@... <ui-view@...> Date: 06 April 1999 09:59 Subject: [ui-view] Re: Unproto set to UIVIEW? I wonder what people think about that? Super Idea. Look forward to it being implemented. :-) 73 - Ken P.S. Apologies for my last message to the group. Forgot about word wrap. |
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Tracker not showing
"Chris McCarthy" <[email protected]
I've been having some problems, trouble is there has been no one else around
to test it with! A local has just appeared using APRS..I cant get an ack back from him when sending a message, but that may be due to incompatibilities between the two systems? The problem is, my tracker isn't appearing on the map. I can see the packets appearing in the monitor screen at the bottom of the display. Looking in the terminal window the format from my tracker is: 10:11:32R G3XVL-9>CQ,RELAY,WIDE <UI Len=68>: $GPGGA,091644,5202.9506,N,00108.9689,E,1,08,1.3,83.2,M,47.0,M,,*74 I'm also sending $GPRMC for height but I wouldn't of thought this would matter even though UI View doesn't use it. Tracker displays fine when I use WINAPRS. I tried turning the logging on but although G3XVL and M1ADT are showing in the log, there is no sign of G3XVL-9 Home station is a G0BSX TNC, running KISS mode, any ideas/ help appreciated Cheers Chris chris@... |
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