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Re: Infamy

 


We had the reel to reel system on my submarine, used by sonar. Was the coolest, temperature, place on the boat.?


On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 15:19 Kevin Walker <sage@...> wrote:
Anyone remember the large reel to reel tapes that where?maybe 3/4" or 1" in width that dropped down from the reels for processing?

There were also the metal drums and later after that the ticker tape I remember seeing when my dad was early into his programming days in the 60s or was it early 70s IIRC.

My first computer I owned outside of home was a Mac Plus and oh the joy of finally affording a 20MB hard drive over swapping those 3.5" disks.? :)

Kevin

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:17 AM Ken Butt via <k_butt=[email protected]> wrote:
On the TRS80 did you have the Dancing Demon? When I started with ICL in the 1970sw they were just moving on from the 1900 to the 2900 series mainframes. I used to punch my test program instructions onto paper tape so that I could run them multiple times. 200mbye hard disks and 8" singe sided simgle density floppt discs with 1/4 mbyte to run the word processing software on a 7502. We needed 2mByte memory on the mainframe to load the operating system.

On Tuesday, 30 June 2020, 19:11:37 BST, Gary Keep via <lordhay=[email protected]> wrote:


I remember fiddling with the volume and tone on my cassette player to load TRS80 Games.

Then the wonderful Atari ST1040 came along with floppy drives, perfect for the SSI games.

A great computer game company now sadly gone

?

Sent from for Windows 10

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From: Thomas Nissvik
Sent: 30 June 2020 19:02
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TooFatLardies] Infamy

?

First Basic program I wrote was stored on a 5 3/4"?

And the last.

Den tis 30 juni 2020 20:00Doug Melville <dougmelville@...> skrev:

I was digging around in some old junk yesterday and came across a 3.5¡± floppy, which I showed to my 20 year old nephew. He at least didn¡¯t comment something along the lines of ¨C ¡®cool, someone 3d printed the save icon¡¯.

?

I remember with the 5.25¡± ones you could get double duty out of them by clipping the case and turning them over. Not reliable but a damn sight better than tape cassettes.

?

And the college was still showing the use of punch cards when I started there. ?

?

Doug

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Gilbride
Sent: 30 June 2020 16:42
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TooFatLardies] Infamy

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8", 5.25" or 3".

?

On 30/06/2020 14:16, Peter Mellett wrote:

Mine was 12TB, I had it delivered on a lorry full of floppy disks.

On 30/06/2020 12:58, Fredd Bloggs wrote:

12gb, no wonder there are issues! 12mb you mean.

?

And mine has not arrived, but then.... I have not ordered a copy yet.

On 30/06/2020 12:56:17, don.avis via <don.avis@...> wrote:

If yours still hasn't arrived email Richard Clarke at? sales@...?and he will sort it for you.??There has been an issue with some EMails bouncing as the file size is over 12GB

?

Virus-free.

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Re: Infamy

 

"The 'Good Good Days' were terrible days, I hope they never come again!"?

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?- Uncle Bill


Den tis 30 juni 2020 21:41Tim Drewett <tim.drewett1805@...> skrev:

That would be the IBM3420 tape drive. I remember those.... I also remember the IBM MSS storage unit - bullet like tape cartridges...

I¡¯d like to say happy days, but...?

Tim



On 30 Jun 2020, at 20:19, Kevin Walker <sage@...> wrote:

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Anyone remember the large reel to reel tapes that where?maybe 3/4" or 1" in width that dropped down from the reels for processing?

There were also the metal drums and later after that the ticker tape I remember seeing when my dad was early into his programming days in the 60s or was it early 70s IIRC.

My first computer I owned outside of home was a Mac Plus and oh the joy of finally affording a 20MB hard drive over swapping those 3.5" disks.? :)

Kevin

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:17 AM Ken Butt via <k_butt=[email protected]> wrote:
On the TRS80 did you have the Dancing Demon? When I started with ICL in the 1970sw they were just moving on from the 1900 to the 2900 series mainframes. I used to punch my test program instructions onto paper tape so that I could run them multiple times. 200mbye hard disks and 8" singe sided simgle density floppt discs with 1/4 mbyte to run the word processing software on a 7502. We needed 2mByte memory on the mainframe to load the operating system.

On Tuesday, 30 June 2020, 19:11:37 BST, Gary Keep via <lordhay=[email protected]> wrote:


I remember fiddling with the volume and tone on my cassette player to load TRS80 Games.

Then the wonderful Atari ST1040 came along with floppy drives, perfect for the SSI games.

A great computer game company now sadly gone

?

Sent from for Windows 10

?

From: Thomas Nissvik
Sent: 30 June 2020 19:02
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TooFatLardies] Infamy

?

First Basic program I wrote was stored on a 5 3/4"?

And the last.

Den tis 30 juni 2020 20:00Doug Melville <dougmelville@...> skrev:

I was digging around in some old junk yesterday and came across a 3.5¡± floppy, which I showed to my 20 year old nephew. He at least didn¡¯t comment something along the lines of ¨C ¡®cool, someone 3d printed the save icon¡¯.

?

I remember with the 5.25¡± ones you could get double duty out of them by clipping the case and turning them over. Not reliable but a damn sight better than tape cassettes.

?

And the college was still showing the use of punch cards when I started there. ?

?

Doug

?

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Gilbride
Sent: 30 June 2020 16:42
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TooFatLardies] Infamy

?

8", 5.25" or 3".

?

On 30/06/2020 14:16, Peter Mellett wrote:

Mine was 12TB, I had it delivered on a lorry full of floppy disks.

On 30/06/2020 12:58, Fredd Bloggs wrote:

12gb, no wonder there are issues! 12mb you mean.

?

And mine has not arrived, but then.... I have not ordered a copy yet.

On 30/06/2020 12:56:17, don.avis via <don.avis@...> wrote:

If yours still hasn't arrived email Richard Clarke at? sales@...?and he will sort it for you.??There has been an issue with some EMails bouncing as the file size is over 12GB

?

Virus-free.

?


Re: Infamy

 

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That would be the IBM3420 tape drive. I remember those.... I also remember the IBM MSS storage unit - bullet like tape cartridges...

I¡¯d like to say happy days, but...?

Tim



On 30 Jun 2020, at 20:19, Kevin Walker <sage@...> wrote:

?
Anyone remember the large reel to reel tapes that where?maybe 3/4" or 1" in width that dropped down from the reels for processing?

There were also the metal drums and later after that the ticker tape I remember seeing when my dad was early into his programming days in the 60s or was it early 70s IIRC.

My first computer I owned outside of home was a Mac Plus and oh the joy of finally affording a 20MB hard drive over swapping those 3.5" disks.? :)

Kevin

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:17 AM Ken Butt via <k_butt=[email protected]> wrote:
On the TRS80 did you have the Dancing Demon? When I started with ICL in the 1970sw they were just moving on from the 1900 to the 2900 series mainframes. I used to punch my test program instructions onto paper tape so that I could run them multiple times. 200mbye hard disks and 8" singe sided simgle density floppt discs with 1/4 mbyte to run the word processing software on a 7502. We needed 2mByte memory on the mainframe to load the operating system.

On Tuesday, 30 June 2020, 19:11:37 BST, Gary Keep via <lordhay=[email protected]> wrote:


I remember fiddling with the volume and tone on my cassette player to load TRS80 Games.

Then the wonderful Atari ST1040 came along with floppy drives, perfect for the SSI games.

A great computer game company now sadly gone

?

Sent from for Windows 10

?

From: Thomas Nissvik
Sent: 30 June 2020 19:02
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TooFatLardies] Infamy

?

First Basic program I wrote was stored on a 5 3/4"?

And the last.

Den tis 30 juni 2020 20:00Doug Melville <dougmelville@...> skrev:

I was digging around in some old junk yesterday and came across a 3.5¡± floppy, which I showed to my 20 year old nephew. He at least didn¡¯t comment something along the lines of ¨C ¡®cool, someone 3d printed the save icon¡¯.

?

I remember with the 5.25¡± ones you could get double duty out of them by clipping the case and turning them over. Not reliable but a damn sight better than tape cassettes.

?

And the college was still showing the use of punch cards when I started there. ?

?

Doug

?

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Gilbride
Sent: 30 June 2020 16:42
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TooFatLardies] Infamy

?

8", 5.25" or 3".

?

On 30/06/2020 14:16, Peter Mellett wrote:

Mine was 12TB, I had it delivered on a lorry full of floppy disks.

On 30/06/2020 12:58, Fredd Bloggs wrote:

12gb, no wonder there are issues! 12mb you mean.

?

And mine has not arrived, but then.... I have not ordered a copy yet.

On 30/06/2020 12:56:17, don.avis via <don.avis@...> wrote:

If yours still hasn't arrived email Richard Clarke at? sales@...?and he will sort it for you.??There has been an issue with some EMails bouncing as the file size is over 12GB

?

Virus-free.

?


Re: Infamy

Gary Keep
 

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We had that at Cavendish Grammar, it dialled into the Hatfield college mainframe. We played four pawn chess on it

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Sent from for Windows 10

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From: John Haines
Sent: 30 June 2020 20:14
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TooFatLardies] Infamy

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In about 1971 (I was 16) my school got a teletype terminal to a remote mainframe. It had twin paper tape reader/writers. The real geeks could edit the tape without referring to the manual.

John

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Re: TMP

 

A fanatical dedication...?

Op di 30 jun. 2020 om 16:18 schreef Thomas Nissvik <thomas.nissvik@...>:

It takes skill and dedication, that's for sure.


Den tis 30 juni 2020 16:15Jeremy Ratcliffe <jfratcliffe@...> skrev:
Although I do find myself wondering how easy it is to actually climb on top?of a spray can with your flippers stuck together....

On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 15:13, Jeremy Ratcliffe <jfratcliffe@...> wrote:
Thomas?
You're not that bad.....

On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 14:53, Thomas Nissvik <thomas.nissvik@...> wrote:
"and", Jeremy, the word you're looking for is "and".


On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 14:56, Jeremy Ratcliffe <jfratcliffe@...> wrote:
The trouble is this is Thomas we're talking about.
He's just as likely to sit on a hot glue gun or a tube of superglue. :-)

On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 12:58, Thomas Nissvik <thomas.nissvik@...> wrote:
Now this is an idea I can work with!

Den tis 30 juni 2020 13:23Mike Whitaker <mike@...> skrev:
Nah, he just needs to set the can up pointing at the workpiece and bounce his little feathery butt on the spray button.?

On 30 Jun 2020, at 08:43, Penguin Koen <kgpm.desmedt@...> wrote:

It is, after all, hard for a penguin to hold a brush in his flippers... Or a spray can... ??



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Re: TMP

 

Or met Thomas :D

Op di 30 jun. 2020 om 16:36 schreef Tom McKinnell via <tmckinnell=[email protected]>:


If you don't know about climbing on top of spray cans with flippers glued together you have clearly never worked in A&E




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Re: Infamy

 

Anyone remember the large reel to reel tapes that where?maybe 3/4" or 1" in width that dropped down from the reels for processing?

There were also the metal drums and later after that the ticker tape I remember seeing when my dad was early into his programming days in the 60s or was it early 70s IIRC.

My first computer I owned outside of home was a Mac Plus and oh the joy of finally affording a 20MB hard drive over swapping those 3.5" disks.? :)

Kevin


On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:17 AM Ken Butt via <k_butt=[email protected]> wrote:
On the TRS80 did you have the Dancing Demon? When I started with ICL in the 1970sw they were just moving on from the 1900 to the 2900 series mainframes. I used to punch my test program instructions onto paper tape so that I could run them multiple times. 200mbye hard disks and 8" singe sided simgle density floppt discs with 1/4 mbyte to run the word processing software on a 7502. We needed 2mByte memory on the mainframe to load the operating system.

On Tuesday, 30 June 2020, 19:11:37 BST, Gary Keep via <lordhay=[email protected]> wrote:


I remember fiddling with the volume and tone on my cassette player to load TRS80 Games.

Then the wonderful Atari ST1040 came along with floppy drives, perfect for the SSI games.

A great computer game company now sadly gone

?

Sent from for Windows 10

?

From: Thomas Nissvik
Sent: 30 June 2020 19:02
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TooFatLardies] Infamy

?

First Basic program I wrote was stored on a 5 3/4"?

And the last.

Den tis 30 juni 2020 20:00Doug Melville <dougmelville@...> skrev:

I was digging around in some old junk yesterday and came across a 3.5¡± floppy, which I showed to my 20 year old nephew. He at least didn¡¯t comment something along the lines of ¨C ¡®cool, someone 3d printed the save icon¡¯.

?

I remember with the 5.25¡± ones you could get double duty out of them by clipping the case and turning them over. Not reliable but a damn sight better than tape cassettes.

?

And the college was still showing the use of punch cards when I started there. ?

?

Doug

?

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Gilbride
Sent: 30 June 2020 16:42
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TooFatLardies] Infamy

?

8", 5.25" or 3".

?

On 30/06/2020 14:16, Peter Mellett wrote:

Mine was 12TB, I had it delivered on a lorry full of floppy disks.

On 30/06/2020 12:58, Fredd Bloggs wrote:

12gb, no wonder there are issues! 12mb you mean.

?

And mine has not arrived, but then.... I have not ordered a copy yet.

On 30/06/2020 12:56:17, don.avis via <don.avis@...> wrote:

If yours still hasn't arrived email Richard Clarke at? sales@...?and he will sort it for you.??There has been an issue with some EMails bouncing as the file size is over 12GB

?

Virus-free.

?


Re: Infamy

 

In about 1971 (I was 16) my school got a teletype terminal to a remote mainframe. It had twin paper tape reader/writers. The real geeks could edit the tape without referring to the manual.

John


Re: Infamy

Ken Butt
 

On the TRS80 did you have the Dancing Demon? When I started with ICL in the 1970sw they were just moving on from the 1900 to the 2900 series mainframes. I used to punch my test program instructions onto paper tape so that I could run them multiple times. 200mbye hard disks and 8" singe sided simgle density floppt discs with 1/4 mbyte to run the word processing software on a 7502. We needed 2mByte memory on the mainframe to load the operating system.

On Tuesday, 30 June 2020, 19:11:37 BST, Gary Keep via groups.io <lordhay@...> wrote:


I remember fiddling with the volume and tone on my cassette player to load TRS80 Games.

Then the wonderful Atari ST1040 came along with floppy drives, perfect for the SSI games.

A great computer game company now sadly gone

?

Sent from for Windows 10

?

From: Thomas Nissvik
Sent: 30 June 2020 19:02
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TooFatLardies] Infamy

?

First Basic program I wrote was stored on a 5 3/4"?

And the last.

Den tis 30 juni 2020 20:00Doug Melville <dougmelville@...> skrev:

I was digging around in some old junk yesterday and came across a 3.5¡± floppy, which I showed to my 20 year old nephew. He at least didn¡¯t comment something along the lines of ¨C ¡®cool, someone 3d printed the save icon¡¯.

?

I remember with the 5.25¡± ones you could get double duty out of them by clipping the case and turning them over. Not reliable but a damn sight better than tape cassettes.

?

And the college was still showing the use of punch cards when I started there. ?

?

Doug

?

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Gilbride
Sent: 30 June 2020 16:42
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TooFatLardies] Infamy

?

8", 5.25" or 3".

?

On 30/06/2020 14:16, Peter Mellett wrote:

Mine was 12TB, I had it delivered on a lorry full of floppy disks.

On 30/06/2020 12:58, Fredd Bloggs wrote:

12gb, no wonder there are issues! 12mb you mean.

?

And mine has not arrived, but then.... I have not ordered a copy yet.

On 30/06/2020 12:56:17, don.avis via <don.avis@...> wrote:

If yours still hasn't arrived email Richard Clarke at? sales@...?and he will sort it for you.??There has been an issue with some EMails bouncing as the file size is over 12GB

?

Virus-free.

?


Re: Infamy

Gary Keep
 

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Thats where I first played the mainframe Star Trek during my shifts

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Sent from for Windows 10

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From: Carole Flint
Sent: 30 June 2020 19:09
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TooFatLardies] Infamy

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When I first started working as a computer operator, in what was then called Data Processing, in the late 1970s the smaller IBM S/370 mainframes (the 115 and 125 models only, I think) had their IPL microcode on 12" floppy disks. You always needed to have a spare in case the one you usually IPLed from had a read error. There was a small cupboard thing under the CPU console printer where the floppy drive was located.

Carole

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Re: Infamy

Gary Keep
 

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I remember fiddling with the volume and tone on my cassette player to load TRS80 Games.

Then the wonderful Atari ST1040 came along with floppy drives, perfect for the SSI games.

A great computer game company now sadly gone

?

Sent from for Windows 10

?

From: Thomas Nissvik
Sent: 30 June 2020 19:02
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TooFatLardies] Infamy

?

First Basic program I wrote was stored on a 5 3/4"?

And the last.

Den tis 30 juni 2020 20:00Doug Melville <dougmelville@...> skrev:

I was digging around in some old junk yesterday and came across a 3.5¡± floppy, which I showed to my 20 year old nephew. He at least didn¡¯t comment something along the lines of ¨C ¡®cool, someone 3d printed the save icon¡¯.

?

I remember with the 5.25¡± ones you could get double duty out of them by clipping the case and turning them over. Not reliable but a damn sight better than tape cassettes.

?

And the college was still showing the use of punch cards when I started there. ?

?

Doug

?

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Gilbride
Sent: 30 June 2020 16:42
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TooFatLardies] Infamy

?

8", 5.25" or 3".

?

On 30/06/2020 14:16, Peter Mellett wrote:

Mine was 12TB, I had it delivered on a lorry full of floppy disks.

On 30/06/2020 12:58, Fredd Bloggs wrote:

12gb, no wonder there are issues! 12mb you mean.

?

And mine has not arrived, but then.... I have not ordered a copy yet.

On 30/06/2020 12:56:17, don.avis via <don.avis@...> wrote:

If yours still hasn't arrived email Richard Clarke at? sales@...?and he will sort it for you.??There has been an issue with some EMails bouncing as the file size is over 12GB

?

Virus-free.

?


Re: Infamy

 

When I first started working as a computer operator, in what was then called Data Processing, in the late 1970s the smaller IBM S/370 mainframes (the 115 and 125 models only, I think) had their IPL microcode on 12" floppy disks. You always needed to have a spare in case the one you usually IPLed from had a read error. There was a small cupboard thing under the CPU console printer where the floppy drive was located.

Carole


Re: Infamy

 

First Basic program I wrote was stored on a 5 3/4"?
And the last.

Den tis 30 juni 2020 20:00Doug Melville <dougmelville@...> skrev:

I was digging around in some old junk yesterday and came across a 3.5¡± floppy, which I showed to my 20 year old nephew. He at least didn¡¯t comment something along the lines of ¨C ¡®cool, someone 3d printed the save icon¡¯.

?

I remember with the 5.25¡± ones you could get double duty out of them by clipping the case and turning them over. Not reliable but a damn sight better than tape cassettes.

?

And the college was still showing the use of punch cards when I started there. ?

?

Doug

?

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Gilbride
Sent: 30 June 2020 16:42
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TooFatLardies] Infamy

?

8", 5.25" or 3".

?

On 30/06/2020 14:16, Peter Mellett wrote:

Mine was 12TB, I had it delivered on a lorry full of floppy disks.

On 30/06/2020 12:58, Fredd Bloggs wrote:

12gb, no wonder there are issues! 12mb you mean.

?

And mine has not arrived, but then.... I have not ordered a copy yet.

On 30/06/2020 12:56:17, don.avis via <don.avis@...> wrote:

If yours still hasn't arrived email Richard Clarke at? sales@...?and he will sort it for you.??There has been an issue with some EMails bouncing as the file size is over 12GB

?

Virus-free.


Re: Infamy

 

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I was digging around in some old junk yesterday and came across a 3.5¡± floppy, which I showed to my 20 year old nephew. He at least didn¡¯t comment something along the lines of ¨C ¡®cool, someone 3d printed the save icon¡¯.

?

I remember with the 5.25¡± ones you could get double duty out of them by clipping the case and turning them over. Not reliable but a damn sight better than tape cassettes.

?

And the college was still showing the use of punch cards when I started there. ?

?

Doug

?

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Gilbride
Sent: 30 June 2020 16:42
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TooFatLardies] Infamy

?

8", 5.25" or 3".

?

On 30/06/2020 14:16, Peter Mellett wrote:

Mine was 12TB, I had it delivered on a lorry full of floppy disks.

On 30/06/2020 12:58, Fredd Bloggs wrote:

12gb, no wonder there are issues! 12mb you mean.

?

And mine has not arrived, but then.... I have not ordered a copy yet.

On 30/06/2020 12:56:17, don.avis via groups.io <don.avis@...> wrote:

If yours still hasn't arrived email Richard Clarke at? sales@...?and he will sort it for you.??There has been an issue with some EMails bouncing as the file size is over 12GB

?

Virus-free.


Re: Infamy

 

¿ªÔÆÌåÓý

8", 5.25" or 3".


On 30/06/2020 14:16, Peter Mellett wrote:

Mine was 12TB, I had it delivered on a lorry full of floppy disks.

On 30/06/2020 12:58, Fredd Bloggs wrote:
12gb, no wonder there are issues! 12mb you mean.

And mine has not arrived, but then.... I have not ordered a copy yet.

On 30/06/2020 12:56:17, don.avis via groups.io <don.avis@...> wrote:

If yours still hasn't arrived email Richard Clarke at? sales@...?and he will sort it for you.??There has been an issue with some EMails bouncing as the file size is over 12GB

Virus-free.


Re: [TMP] [TMP] Welcoming so many new members!

 

?Thomas Nissvik
Jun 29???
We are all individuals??

I'm not!


Re: How long before we all go goofy...or goofier as it is.

 

I wrote some mods to use 9YW armies based for FOG:R a few years ago. It is in one of the specials, Summer 2016 one I think, but it is a big change from basic SP. I've revised them since and I sent Rich a copy last year.

Carole


Re: Infamy

 

It is BIG though!

What's the difference between a G and a B anyway ?


Re: TMP

 


If you don't know about climbing on top of spray cans with flippers glued together you have clearly never worked in A&E



Re: TMP

 

It takes skill and dedication, that's for sure.


Den tis 30 juni 2020 16:15Jeremy Ratcliffe <jfratcliffe@...> skrev:

Although I do find myself wondering how easy it is to actually climb on top?of a spray can with your flippers stuck together....

On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 15:13, Jeremy Ratcliffe <jfratcliffe@...> wrote:
Thomas?
You're not that bad.....

On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 14:53, Thomas Nissvik <thomas.nissvik@...> wrote:
"and", Jeremy, the word you're looking for is "and".


On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 14:56, Jeremy Ratcliffe <jfratcliffe@...> wrote:
The trouble is this is Thomas we're talking about.
He's just as likely to sit on a hot glue gun or a tube of superglue. :-)

On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 12:58, Thomas Nissvik <thomas.nissvik@...> wrote:
Now this is an idea I can work with!

Den tis 30 juni 2020 13:23Mike Whitaker <mike@...> skrev:
Nah, he just needs to set the can up pointing at the workpiece and bounce his little feathery butt on the spray button.?

On 30 Jun 2020, at 08:43, Penguin Koen <kgpm.desmedt@...> wrote:

It is, after all, hard for a penguin to hold a brush in his flippers... Or a spray can... ??