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Re: Question

 

Bert Haskins <bhaskins@...> wrote:
On 02/16/2013 09:14 PM, Cliff White wrote:

Or actually two. I have a broken fiberglass rod for the vertical
position control on my 466. Would there be any ill effects of
replacing it with a wood skewer? They're the same diameter.
In my town I just run over to the florist and pick what I want from the
rods that they use in floral arrangements.
I don't know ( or care ) if these are fibreglass but they are
tough, cheap, and easy to shape using a grinder.
Please wear protective gear, I don't think that the dust
would be good for either your eyes or lungs.


Second, will a 465B front cover fit a 466?
Yes


Re: Question

 

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On 02/16/2013 09:14 PM, Cliff White wrote:
?

Or actually two. I have a broken fiberglass rod for the vertical position control on my 466. Would there be any ill effects of replacing it with a wood skewer? They're the same diameter.

In my town I just run over to the florist and pick what I want from the
rods that they use in floral arrangements.
I don't know ( or care ) if these are fibreglass but they are
tough, cheap, and easy to shape using a grinder.
Please wear protective gear,? I don't think that the dust?
would be good for either your eyes or lungs.


Second, will a 465B front cover fit a 466?


?


--
Respectfully,
Cliff White, W5CNW
w5cnw@...


Question

 

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Or actually two. I have a broken fiberglass rod for the vertical position control on my 466. Would there be any ill effects of replacing it with a wood skewer? They're the same diameter.

Second, will a 465B front cover fit a 466?
?


--
Respectfully,
Cliff White, W5CNW
w5cnw@...


585A on Dallas Craigslist

sipespresso
 

I have no affiliation with the seller.

-Kurt


Re: Frequency response flatness in conventional sampling (say 7S11/S

 

The blow-by effect on frequency response could be tested. Grossly
misadjust it deliberately and see if the frequency response changes. I
found it to be the easiest thing to calibrate on my S-4 sampling heads
so I would not worry about temporarily misadjusting it.

I would also compare two different types of sampling heads like an S-2
and S-4 which have significantly different transient response
characteristics in the 10ns range do to design and see if they agree.

I may try the above with an S-1 and S-4 and my SG503 just to see what
kind of results I get.

On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 10:48:35 -0000, "Albert" <aodiversen@...>
wrote:

Hi David,

The step response of my S-4 is very similar to the pictures shown in the cal proc of the manual. Overshoot from 400 ps to 25 ns is specified as 10% or less. Blow-by compensation adjusts the level or trend after 25 ns. Both overshoot and blow-by might well affect the frequency response (far) below 1 GHz I think.
The awkward thing is that we always need something that's again better than what we already have. I have to trust pulse flatness of my S-52 and 264 (also Square Wave for S-2 blow-by) but in reality I have no means to check that. In S-1 and S-2 the blow-by adjustment has considerable effect, so if your S-1 shows no blow-by then you or a previous owner did a good calibration job. I'm not sure I ever re-adjusted my S-4.

I did many amplitude measurements on my 067-0532-00, 3 MHz and 60-500 MHz, using 7T11A/7S11/S-2. At 1 Vpp the amplitude changes are within 1% (that is max - min) over the whole frequency range, including the separate 3 MHz. At 3 Vpp (connected via GR 2X attenuator) still within 2%.
That looks very nice, but in theory a non-flat response of the S-2 could compensate for a non-flat output of the signal generator. I used an S-2 to eliminate a GR to SMA adapter and also because the S-2 allows for internal triggering.

Albert


--- In TekScopes@..., David <davidwhess@...> wrote:

I do not have any in dependant confirmation but I suspect given the
relatively low frequencies involved for the sampling heads up to 5%
loss that they will be very close to ideal. I do not know of a better
way to calibrate for a constant level that does not require something
else already calibrated to a better standard except for a thermal RMS
based design which itself can be calibrated at DC.

If you have even an unleveled microwave signal source, you could use
it to find the first null in the sampler frequency response which
would tell exactly what the sample gate time is.

Do you mean overshoot or blow-by? I know my S-4 sampling heads have a
lot of blow-by aberration or whatever that is at about 10ns but show
ideal pulse response as far as I can test. My working S-1 shows no
blow-by with the same input pulse but my best flat level pulse
generator while clean is not fast enough for the S-4.

On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 22:35:37 -0000, "Albert" <aodiversen@...>
wrote:

Hi David,

In my response to Ed I said something about VSWR; that crossed your message.
Your calculations (indeed needing the famous sin(x)/x) assume a perfect rectangular windowing function. Do you have any reference for how good or bad this approach might be in practice? The overshoot in step response of my S-4 is in conflict with this theoretical approach.

Albert

--- In TekScopes@..., David <davidwhess@> wrote:

I think using a sampling oscilloscope for flatness calibration is a
great idea. The sampling heads are both very high bandwidth and have
a very predictable frequency response. The weakest links will be the
SWR match and termination but that applies to any system. You can do
away with cable losses by using a sampling head extender.

If you take the 3db bandwidth numbers I posted earlier and divide by
4, that is the point where the sample head output will be down by 2%.
The second number shown is where they will be down by 1%:

S-1 260 MHz 190 MHz
S-2 1.18 GHz 869 MHz
S-4 3.60 GHz 2.61 GHz
S-6 2.99 GHz 2.17 GHz

I think this is the first time I have had a need to do math involving
a sin(x)/x function.


Re: 555 on Detroit craigslist

Jim
 

Hmm, I had a ham radio friend whose tomcat used to sleep on top of his vintage HF rig -- until one day it let some cat tinkle dribble out.

After that, it wouldn't even go in the ham shack.

73
Jim N6OTQ


From: Paul Amaranth
To: TekScopes@...
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] 555 on Detroit craigslist

I asked him about that.? It's a demon gremlin, he says he used it
as a mad scientist prop in a haunted house.

Would be a great cat bed though.? I used to have a big crt terminal
and my cat used to sleep on top of it while I was working.


Re: Tek 2245A Backup Battery Exchange -- Any special steps?

 

I have a 2246 and 2247A. As far as I know, the backup battery only
matters for the configuration settings so no special precautions are
needed when changing it.

The PDF files I have for these oscilloscopes are all scanned images so
text searching is not possible with them. I sometimes use a free
online service to remove the restrictions but only so I can extract
the schematics, clean them up, and then print them out.

On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:27:08 -0000, "chuckcurran53012"
<ccurran@...> wrote:

Hello Tek Scopes Group:

I need to change the backup battery in my 2245A. I am not aware of any special steps required.

Can I simply remove the old and solder in a new one? Or, will I mess something up when the battery voltage is removed?

I am also looking for a 2245A service manual. The one I found on line is a locked pdf file, so no searches can be performed. Might anyone be aware of a copy that is not a "locked", but a searchable file?

Thanks,

Chuck


Re: 555 on Detroit craigslist

 

I asked him about that. It's a demon gremlin, he says he used it
as a mad scientist prop in a haunted house.

Would be a great cat bed though. I used to have a big crt terminal
and my cat used to sleep on top of it while I was working.

On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 09:03:10AM -0800, Daniel Koller wrote:
his wife is getting adamant about??getting rid of it;

?? ??Is that why there is a wig on it? ??Or is that a cat? ??Never considered that before, but it's a nice place for a cat to sleep.

Dan



________________________________
From: Paul Amaranth <paul@...>
To: TekScopes@...
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 11:48 AM
Subject: [TekScopes] 555 on Detroit craigslist


??
555 dual beam scope with power supply and cable



I got a note from the seller, his wife is getting adamant about
getting rid of it; he's open to offers. Anyone want to try
$50?

--
Paul Amaranth, GCIH | Rochester MI, USA
Aurora Group, Inc. | Security, Systems & Software
paul@... | Unix & Windows


--
Paul Amaranth, GCIH | Rochester MI, USA
Aurora Group, Inc. | Security, Systems & Software
paul@... | Unix & Windows


Re: 555 on Detroit craigslist

 

This is pretty strange. Attached is an enhanced photo of the " thing" atop the 555


From: Daniel Koller
To: "TekScopes@..."
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] 555 on Detroit craigslist

?
>his wife is getting adamant about?getting rid of it;

? ?Is that why there is a wig on it? ?Or is that a cat? ?Never considered that before, but it's a nice place for a cat to sleep.

Dan



From: Paul Amaranth
To: TekScopes@...
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 11:48 AM
Subject: [TekScopes] 555 on Detroit craigslist

?
555 dual beam scope with power supply and cable

http://detroit.craigslist.org/mcb/atq/3603048849.html

I got a note from the seller, his wife is getting adamant about
getting rid of it; he's open to offers. Anyone want to try
$50?

--
Paul Amaranth, GCIH | Rochester MI, USA
Aurora Group, Inc. | Security, Systems & Software
paul@... | Unix & Windows






Re: Strange AEROVOX cap on my 564

Don Black
 

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Thanks for that interesting story John, there are some weird things around. As to the cause; I think it's a full moon. At least until someone else comes up with a better explanation. And the moral of the story. Too much washing can be dangerous, if not for that washing machine global warming might have been solved.
?Cheers, Don Black.

On 16-Feb-13 11:13 PM, John wrote:

?

And sometimes become a voltage source i.e. they become a battery. That
can really throw out equipments operation. You can measure the voltage
with a voltmeter, it's steady, not just a charge that will leak away.

==================================================

Don Black posted above:

Reply:: Don,and Group members: I've hesitated for a long time to
mention this same
observation here, but Dons given me the courage to say its true for
some Tantalum (bead) caps too !
And not used ones either, but NOS!
Years ago, when people still used transistors for design work
I volunteered to design and make a shaped freq /amplitude response amp
for a medical app.which had to be AC coupled
This was a freeby, but most of the stuff was bought new and a PC board made
The only "old" parts I used were tantalums made by a well know manufacturer
in the UK, blue bead STC tantalums which came in packs of 5 in sealed
waxed paper bags .
I had a few of those bags unopened and used these due to there high
quality reputation (and cost) and as
they were still sealed. On populating the board , test time showed
each transistor either
saturated or near saturation. The amp was simple enough in concept , so
had I assembled the
board wrong? Careful check showed all OK, including correct
polarities fitted
I had pre checked the transistors for gain at 1kHz and leakage and all
other parts except the caps before fitting (being a
medical app) and these were all fine.
The culprit was quickly traced to the Tant caps......each one was a
battery putting out several
hundred millivolts all on their own !
Removing the caps I twisted their leads together while I had dinner.
Returning about an hour later
the caps were still generating about the same voltage after untwisting
their leads., all of which came up withon a few seconds
Putting them in series added the voltages enough to dimly light a
"grain of wheat" filament lamp.
Shorting them overnight they gave , again, the same battery effect when
un-shorted.
IAll the NOS stocks I had of these were the same (blue STC bought at
the same time) The packets of caps would be
around 20 years old when bulk .bought new and left over from an old project
I put them in a matchbox with leads shorted and carried them around for
a while, showing them to various
people at work and in various labs for a year , where most thought it
was some trick of mine,
Few actually believed it.
Eventually, the caps still giving out a steady voltage,. I accidentally
put my trousers in the wash
with the matchbox still in its pocket which corroded off the leads
due to the washing powder used.
Ive often thought that if I had given them to a battery manufacturer
maybe the secret would have been
discovered and "infinite" life batteries might be in use today!!
(and maybe I would have been richer too)

Anyone brave enough to have seen the same effect and talk about it?
Electro chemists might have a rational explanation?
John



Re: 555 on Detroit craigslist

 

>his wife is getting adamant about?getting rid of it;

? ?Is that why there is a wig on it? ?Or is that a cat? ?Never considered that before, but it's a nice place for a cat to sleep.

Dan



From: Paul Amaranth
To: TekScopes@...
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 11:48 AM
Subject: [TekScopes] 555 on Detroit craigslist

?
555 dual beam scope with power supply and cable

http://detroit.craigslist.org/mcb/atq/3603048849.html

I got a note from the seller, his wife is getting adamant about
getting rid of it; he's open to offers. Anyone want to try
$50?

--
Paul Amaranth, GCIH | Rochester MI, USA
Aurora Group, Inc. | Security, Systems & Software
paul@... | Unix & Windows




555 on Detroit craigslist

 

555 dual beam scope with power supply and cable



I got a note from the seller, his wife is getting adamant about
getting rid of it; he's open to offers. Anyone want to try
$50?


--
Paul Amaranth, GCIH | Rochester MI, USA
Aurora Group, Inc. | Security, Systems & Software
paul@... | Unix & Windows


Re: Tek 2245A Backup Battery Exchange -- Any special steps?

Francis
 

Hi Chuck,

I have had this problem several times with PDF files.
May I suggest PDF Password Remover from VeryPDF?
Not free but useful. It just unlocks the file.

--- In TekScopes@..., "chuckcurran53012" <ccurran@...> wrote:

Hello Tek Scopes Group:

I need to change the backup battery in my 2245A. I am not aware of any special steps required.

Can I simply remove the old and solder in a new one? Or, will I mess something up when the battery voltage is removed?

I am also looking for a 2245A service manual. The one I found on line is a locked pdf file, so no searches can be performed. Might anyone be aware of a copy that is not a "locked", but a searchable file?

Thanks,

Chuck


Tek 2245A Backup Battery Exchange -- Any special steps?

chuckcurran53012
 

Hello Tek Scopes Group:

I need to change the backup battery in my 2245A. I am not aware of any special steps required.

Can I simply remove the old and solder in a new one? Or, will I mess something up when the battery voltage is removed?

I am also looking for a 2245A service manual. The one I found on line is a locked pdf file, so no searches can be performed. Might anyone be aware of a copy that is not a "locked", but a searchable file?

Thanks,

Chuck


Re: Tentative 647 scan?

 

Thanx for scanning the 647 tentative specs. I have three 647a?s and several 547?s, beautiful pieces of technical design of a gone era.

搁别苍é

--- In TekScopes@..., tubesnthings@... wrote:

Beautiful - thank both of you!
Bernd


In a message dated 1/24/2013 8:20:03 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
sipespresso@... writes:




Thanks for scanning it! I cleaned it up a bit:
_
()

-Kurt

--- In _TekScopes@... (mailto:TekScopes@...) ,
d.seiter@ wrote:



Here's the scan of the Tentative 647 spec.?? Sorry it's a bit of a
mess!?? I can't figure out how to force?? our copier to scan one 8x11 at a time
instead of what it sees on the scan bed .?? There must be a way, but it's
not obvious.?? If anyone has pdf editing software and wants to fix it, have
at it!



-Dave



----- Original Message -----


From: "mattko87"
To: _TekScopes@... (mailto:TekScopes@...)
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 1:10:51 PM
Subject: [TekScopes] Re: Tentative 647 scan?

??




Yes, i am interested in the scan ;-)

Matt

--- In _TekScopes@... (mailto:TekScopes@...) ,
d.seiter@ wrote:



While I've got it out, is anyone interested in the 647 tentative spec?



-Dave
>


Re: Strange AEROVOX cap on my 564

 

And sometimes become a voltage source i.e. they become a battery. That
can really throw out equipments operation. You can measure the voltage
with a voltmeter, it's steady, not just a charge that will leak away.

==================================================

Don Black posted above:

Reply:: Don,and Group members: I've hesitated for a long time to mention this same
observation here, but Dons given me the courage to say its true for some Tantalum (bead) caps too !
And not used ones either, but NOS!
Years ago, when people still used transistors for design work
I volunteered to design and make a shaped freq /amplitude response amp for a medical app.which had to be AC coupled
This was a freeby, but most of the stuff was bought new and a PC board made
The only "old" parts I used were tantalums made by a well know manufacturer
in the UK, blue bead STC tantalums which came in packs of 5 in sealed waxed paper bags .
I had a few of those bags unopened and used these due to there high quality reputation (and cost) and as
they were still sealed. On populating the board , test time showed each transistor either
saturated or near saturation. The amp was simple enough in concept , so had I assembled the
board wrong? Careful check showed all OK, including correct polarities fitted
I had pre checked the transistors for gain at 1kHz and leakage and all other parts except the caps before fitting (being a
medical app) and these were all fine.
The culprit was quickly traced to the Tant caps......each one was a battery putting out several
hundred millivolts all on their own !
Removing the caps I twisted their leads together while I had dinner. Returning about an hour later
the caps were still generating about the same voltage after untwisting their leads., all of which came up withon a few seconds
Putting them in series added the voltages enough to dimly light a "grain of wheat" filament lamp.
Shorting them overnight they gave , again, the same battery effect when un-shorted.
IAll the NOS stocks I had of these were the same (blue STC bought at the same time) The packets of caps would be
around 20 years old when bulk .bought new and left over from an old project
I put them in a matchbox with leads shorted and carried them around for a while, showing them to various
people at work and in various labs for a year , where most thought it was some trick of mine,
Few actually believed it.
Eventually, the caps still giving out a steady voltage,. I accidentally put my trousers in the wash
with the matchbox still in its pocket which corroded off the leads due to the washing powder used.
Ive often thought that if I had given them to a battery manufacturer maybe the secret would have been
discovered and "infinite" life batteries might be in use today!!
(and maybe I would have been richer too)

Anyone brave enough to have seen the same effect and talk about it?
Electro chemists might have a rational explanation?
John


Re: Frequency response flatness in conventional sampling (say 7S11/S

Albert
 

Hi David,

The step response of my S-4 is very similar to the pictures shown in the cal proc of the manual. Overshoot from 400 ps to 25 ns is specified as 10% or less. Blow-by compensation adjusts the level or trend after 25 ns. Both overshoot and blow-by might well affect the frequency response (far) below 1 GHz I think.
The awkward thing is that we always need something that's again better than what we already have. I have to trust pulse flatness of my S-52 and 264 (also Square Wave for S-2 blow-by) but in reality I have no means to check that. In S-1 and S-2 the blow-by adjustment has considerable effect, so if your S-1 shows no blow-by then you or a previous owner did a good calibration job. I'm not sure I ever re-adjusted my S-4.

I did many amplitude measurements on my 067-0532-00, 3 MHz and 60-500 MHz, using 7T11A/7S11/S-2. At 1 Vpp the amplitude changes are within 1% (that is max - min) over the whole frequency range, including the separate 3 MHz. At 3 Vpp (connected via GR 2X attenuator) still within 2%.
That looks very nice, but in theory a non-flat response of the S-2 could compensate for a non-flat output of the signal generator. I used an S-2 to eliminate a GR to SMA adapter and also because the S-2 allows for internal triggering.

Albert

--- In TekScopes@..., David <davidwhess@...> wrote:

I do not have any in dependant confirmation but I suspect given the
relatively low frequencies involved for the sampling heads up to 5%
loss that they will be very close to ideal. I do not know of a better
way to calibrate for a constant level that does not require something
else already calibrated to a better standard except for a thermal RMS
based design which itself can be calibrated at DC.

If you have even an unleveled microwave signal source, you could use
it to find the first null in the sampler frequency response which
would tell exactly what the sample gate time is.

Do you mean overshoot or blow-by? I know my S-4 sampling heads have a
lot of blow-by aberration or whatever that is at about 10ns but show
ideal pulse response as far as I can test. My working S-1 shows no
blow-by with the same input pulse but my best flat level pulse
generator while clean is not fast enough for the S-4.

On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 22:35:37 -0000, "Albert" <aodiversen@...>
wrote:

Hi David,

In my response to Ed I said something about VSWR; that crossed your message.
Your calculations (indeed needing the famous sin(x)/x) assume a perfect rectangular windowing function. Do you have any reference for how good or bad this approach might be in practice? The overshoot in step response of my S-4 is in conflict with this theoretical approach.

Albert

--- In TekScopes@..., David <davidwhess@> wrote:

I think using a sampling oscilloscope for flatness calibration is a
great idea. The sampling heads are both very high bandwidth and have
a very predictable frequency response. The weakest links will be the
SWR match and termination but that applies to any system. You can do
away with cable losses by using a sampling head extender.

If you take the 3db bandwidth numbers I posted earlier and divide by
4, that is the point where the sample head output will be down by 2%.
The second number shown is where they will be down by 1%:

S-1 260 MHz 190 MHz
S-2 1.18 GHz 869 MHz
S-4 3.60 GHz 2.61 GHz
S-6 2.99 GHz 2.17 GHz

I think this is the first time I have had a need to do math involving
a sin(x)/x function.


Re: Plastic binders for TEK Manuals By hand

 

As always you rock my world. Very nice! -- glydeck?

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 15, 2013, at 2:46 PM, Don Black <donald_black@...> wrote:

?

Excellent instructions and thanks Dave for your good wishes.

Don Black.

On 16-Feb-13 7:01 AM, Artekmedia wrote:

?

After several requests I have created a short step by step process for reinstalling the plastic comb bindings on a Tek manual by hand. No expensive machine required. A 2" manual can be done in about 2 minutes or less a smaller manual in less than a? minute. The only item to purchase is a letter opener that fits in the slots . You can use a tie wrap for this step too but the metal opener works better

The photos of the step by step are in the photos area in a folder "Comb Binding by Hand"

I also have this in a PDF ( what else :-) ) , email me for a copy

Dave




On 2/12/2013 11:46 AM, Artekmedia wrote:

When I get time ( yeah right !) I will do a photo tutorial of how to do this without the machine small manual can be done in less than 1 minute by hand a large manual takes 2 minutes worst case

Dave
ArtekManuals

--
Dave Henderson
Manuals@...

PO Box 175
Welch,MN 55089
651-269-4265


Re: TDS 744A Power Supply Issue - Any Ideas?

 

I used the fused circuit of the meter (10A) which is a little over 2x max current.

--- In TekScopes@..., larrys@... wrote:

"circuitsandcode" <circuitsandcode@...> wrote:
Would prefer to have a variable P/S to ramp up voltage - but went for
broke and shorted across the fuse (using multimeter measuring amps)
and Q5 went out in flames. I've since ordered a handful of 2SK1018
parts to replace.
Might want to make sure the meter didn't take any collateral damage.
-ls-


Re: 7L5 Attenuator, Knob Glue

 

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That is, why I use a 5-minute-epoxy !

You have more time and it is more elastic !

Herbert


Am 15.02.2013 22:57, schrieb fiftythreebuick:

?



I've had good luck bonding cracks in knobs (and actually reassembling shattered knobs) with cyanoacrylate type glue. Just be sure to get it positioned correctly pretty quickly because the handling time is extremely short.

Hope it works well!

Tom AE5I

--- In TekScopes@..., "danadak" wrote:
>
> The attenuator control only gives two sensitivity settings now, unlike before when it offered many sensitivities in step db.
>
> Anyone have a similar experience ?
>
> Anyone know of a glue that will fuse cracked knobs, in this case the step attenuator knob is cracked ?
>
> Regards Dana,
>