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Re: 7854 waveform calculator on eBay

Craig Sawyers
 

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I 'm surprised at how much these go for, considering it's basically just a keyboard. I remember back in the late '70s when the local computer store was selling keyboards for about $150. A few years later they became a cheap commodity.

My entire 7854 system (except for the 7b87) cost me $125.

-dave
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I too am surprised. In fact I considered building one - it is after all just a switch matrix with some data buffers to return row and column to the mainframe. But to purchase the tactile switches and buttons would have been 90% of the cost of buying one.

Dave - when did you manage to get the snip of $125? I have a bunch of tales of things I bought for a few dollars (NIB 7623B for $100, AA501 for $14, A 7L5 with tracking generator for ?70 including mainframe, 575 for ?40, a whole load of sampling gear for hardly anything) - but these days are a misty recollection, and the days of cheapo stuff seem to be a thing of the past - unless you live in California with all sorts of wonderful swap meets and surplus stores.

Craig


Re: Curve Tracer Test Temperature, Was Wanted: 7CT1N Curve Tracer Plug-In

Don Black
 

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Hi David, do you have a link to the circuit using the LM389 please, I'd like to see how it's used.

Thanks, Don Black.

On 23-Mar-13 4:21 AM, David wrote:

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On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 09:41:55 -0700, Jon Kirwan
<jonk@...> wrote:



I remember one clever log/antilog amplifier that used the National
LM389 to implement the above temperature regulation scheme. It was
amazingly cost effective since no temperature compensation was needed.
I would still be using it if the LM389 was not discontinued.



Re: Anti-static bags

 

On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Dave Daniel <kc0wjn@...> wrote:
Does anyone have a preferential source for anti-static bags? I can find
lots on the them on the 'net; I'm just wondering if anyone has already
been through the "least cost for low volumes" research and reached a
conclusion.
You probably want metallic ESD bags, not pink poly antistatic bags.

For small quantities, I can recommend:

Courtney Farr
CKC Computers

eBay seller cfarrkc

For larger quantities try:




If you don't care about ziplock seals, you can save money on small
bags by buying large bags and a bag sealer.

I haven't found any bargains on ESD bags on eBay, but it's a good
place to get a bag sealer.


7L12 first mixer

 

My 7L12 arrived from Sphere's today, fast shipping and very well
packaged, and it's in great condition considering it's maybe 40
years old. Thank you ever so much Walter.

Walter's diagnosis was spot on, there was a problem with the 1st
mixer, Tek 119-0130-00 which happens to be a RELCOM M11H-1. The
connectors look to be in good shape and a little pressure on the
rigid going into the mixer brings the mixer loss back up to what
it should be, give or take a few dBs perhaps, calibrator output
now shows up as -30dBm :-)

Good news, the diodes aren't fried but I suspect there is a dry
joint on the RF port (IF out) inside the mixer. I guess 40 years
of thermal cycling is going to produce a few dry joints here and
there.

I could either try to repair the dry joint or replace the mixer.

A repair would involve removing the case but I don't know what's
inside, so if anyone has ever taken one of these mixers apart a
picture or description would nice. If I could take it apart
without damaging anything I could always get a new case made.

The second option would be a drop in replacement. If anyone has
a datasheet for a RELCOM M11H-1 it would be greatly appreciated.

For now I will just have to gently prod a few rigid cables now
and then.

Best regards
Chris


Re: Tektronix Programmed Semiconductor Instruction Materials

 

Yes that appears to be them. I corrected the link slightly to:



And there is a lot of interesting stuff there.

Thanks a lot.

Phil...

--- In TekScopes@..., Dave Daniel <kc0wjn@...> wrote:

It's amazing what is available out there. Many people have gone to the
trouble of preserving these types of documents.

It always amuses me to find an item on eBay that one can down load for
free, paticulkarly when the item on eBay is only on digital media.

Dave


On 3/22/2013 6:45 PM, Tom Jobe wrote:

Thanks Dave!
I downloaded that whole series of free Tektronix Semiconductor books
from your link and they are very nice!
There is a lot of other good stuff on that web site too.
It is amazing how much good, freely available, stuff is for sale on eBay!
tom jobe...


Re: Tektronix Programmed Semiconductor Instruction Materials

 

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It's amazing what is available out there. Many people have gone to the trouble of preserving these types of documents.

It always amuses me to find an item on eBay that one can down load for free, paticulkarly when the item on eBay is only on digital media.

Dave


On 3/22/2013 6:45 PM, Tom Jobe wrote:

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Thanks Dave!
I downloaded that whole series of free?Tektronix Semiconductor books from your link and they are very?nice!
There is a lot of other good stuff on that web site too.
It is amazing how much good, freely available,?stuff is for sale on eBay!
tom jobe...
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Re: Tektronix Programmed Semiconductor Instruction Materials

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Looks like these are available in PDF form at , along with some other cool stuff.

DaveD


On 3/22/2013 5:30 PM, Tom Jobe wrote:
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I saw the earlier?post about this series of books from Tektronix.
I have an original copy of the volume titled "Semiconductor Diodes and Transistors programmed Instruction Volume 7, reference for Volumes 4 and 5". It has part number 062-0432-00 on the front of it and it is dated March of 1969. Obviously there are a number of other volumes in this series.
If there isn't a free copy of this volume available, I will be happy to scan its 227(?) pages into a PDF file and post it to KO4BB.com.
tom jobe...
?
?
?
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 3:31 PM
Subject: [TekScopes] Re: Tektronix Programmed Semiconductor Instruction Materials

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The vendor is Larry Christopher; I have purchased items from him over the last 3 years and

have found him to be a reliable and honest seller and also believe he is a member of this group.

Best Regards,

Chuck? w8dux

Aka rubbrdux




Re: Handy hint for a screen filter

keithostertag
 

I don't know if it is still true, but years ago Rosco would send you, free, little sample books with 1x3 inch samples of all their gels in the mail. If they still do that, you could use the samples to test out which one works for your situation. You might look them up on the web to see if they still send out those free sample books. If you have a friendly local photo store nearby they might have them to hand out as well.

There might also be other sources as well- I haven't looked in to it for years. There are other brands- Rosco being one of the top- which means greater selection and generally slightly higher pricing.

Keith Ostertag


Re: Tektronix Programmed Semiconductor Instruction Materials

Tom Jobe
 

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Thanks Dave!
I downloaded that whole series of free?Tektronix Semiconductor books from your link and they are very?nice!
There is a lot of other good stuff on that web site too.
It is amazing how much good, freely available,?stuff is for sale on eBay!
tom jobe...
?
?
?

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Re: Tektronix Programmed Semiconductor Instruction Materials

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Looks like these are available in PDF form at , along with some other cool stuff.

DaveD


On 3/22/2013 5:30 PM, Tom Jobe wrote:
?

I saw the earlier?post about this series of books from Tektronix.
I have an original copy of the volume titled "Semiconductor Diodes and Transistors programmed Instruction Volume 7, reference for Volumes 4 and 5". It has part number 062-0432-00 on the front of it and it is dated March of 1969. Obviously there are a number of other volumes in this series.
If there isn't a free copy of this volume available, I will be happy to scan its 227(?) pages into a PDF file and post it to KO4BB.com.
tom jobe...
?
?
?
?
?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 3:31 PM
Subject: [TekScopes] Re: Tektronix Programmed Semiconductor Instruction Materials

?

The vendor is Larry Christopher; I have purchased items from him over the last 3 years and

have found him to be a reliable and honest seller and also believe he is a member of this group.

Best Regards,

Chuck? w8dux

Aka rubbrdux



Re: Tektronix Programmed Semiconductor Instruction Materials

 

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I believe the VintageTEK Museum () is in the process of scanning ALL of the Tek Programmed Instruction Series. This includes the Basic Electrical Theory, Semiconductor Diodes and Transistors, Time Domain Reflectrometry, and Spectrum Analysis volumes.

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If any of you are in the Portland area it is definitely worth a visit to the museum. Their collection is growing by leaps and bounds and they are now selling excess (Tek and other) equipment at reasonable prices on their web site.

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Volunteers are needed, and I speak from firsthand experience that as a volunteer you will meet some of the legendary designers at Tek.

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Dennis


Re: 7854 waveform calculator on eBay

 

Not in any hurry to sell my 7854 or keyboard, paid about $500
for it 10 years ago, and then a lot on top of that to ship it
to the UK. They're great scopes and mine's outlived a 465 and
a 475.

I saw one 7L5 going for $1600 recently and another 7L5 going
for $2200. YOu could probably get a 3585 for that !!

Chris

--- In TekScopes@..., Peter Gottlieb <hpnpilot@...> wrote:

Wow if that's what they're going for maybe I should sell my 7854 and keyboard
separately!

I am getting around to selling that and some others off, and it's a nice, fully
working unit, which seems to be getting rarer and rarer.

Didn't get it for $125 though...



On 3/22/2013 7:08 PM, d.seiter@... wrote:

I 'm surprised at how much these go for, considering it's basically just a
keyboard. I remember back in the late '70s when the local computer store was
selling keyboards for about $150. A few years later they became a cheap
commodity.

My entire 7854 system (except for the 7b87) cost me $125.

-dave

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*From: *"David Holland" <david.w.holland@...>
*To: *TekScopes@...
*Sent: *Friday, March 22, 2013 12:52:28 PM
*Subject: *Re: [TekScopes] 7854 waveform calculator on eBay

IIRC, there's little aluminum pegs/stand offs that the circuit board
mounts on. They seem to like to break off if the keyboard gets
dropped, or otherwise knocked around.

I believe they'd reattach well enough with epoxy if enough of them got
broken for it to be an issue.

There's a few broken in mine, but not enough to be an issue.

On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Craig Sawyers
<c.sawyers@... <mailto:c.sawyers%40tech-enterprise.com>> wrote:
==================
I don't know. But I never assume something works when I buy it on eBay. It
does have circuitry in it which could fail.
==================

Yeah - but the circuitry is trivial. Four 74LSxxx chips, current
production, less than $2 for all four.

I was more worried about hardware things, like duff switches.

Craig



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Re: Curve Tracer Test Temperature, Was Wanted: 7CT1N Curve Tracer Plug-In

Gordon
 

On 22/03/2013 23:03, David wrote:
I think you could still do it with a curve tracer that does not
support storage by watching for the trace shift with temperature and
adjusting the FET bias point to minimize it.
I wasn't after the optimal bias/temp point, Dennis brought that up. I just wanted to measure Idss and get the same result whatever the ambient temperature was. And preferably in line with the manufacturers data.

[...] Look up "delta Vbe temperature" on Google.
AN45 to save anyone looking. Very interesting.

Thanks.

Gordon


Re: Curve Tracer Test Temperature, Was Wanted: 7CT1N Curve Tracer Plug-In

 

The important consideration for the 7CT1N and 5CT1N is cost, not capability.
No one at Tek thought that these two units were ever a substitute for a full
function curve tracer.

A 5CT1N and a 5000 series scope was the cheapest Tek curve tracer you could
buy, and if all you needed was a family of curves, it was a reasonable
solution.

Likewise, if your company already owned a 7000 MF, as most did, a 7CT1N was
the cheapest way to add curve tracer capability.

Many engineers are uncomfortable with the 575/576/577 because they don't use
them often enough. For those engineers the 5CT1N / 7CT1N must have been
easier to deal with.

If what I saw in my career is any indication most engineers don't know how
to use more than 1% of all the things a curve tracer can do for them. The
575 taught me more semiconductor theory than all of my college professors
combined. With my 577 I continue to learn new things that curve tracers can
do with all sorts of active and passive devices. I still don't think I have
used more than 40% of what it can do.

Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: David
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 4:03 PM

On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 19:48:14 +0000, Gordon <tekscopes@...>
wrote:

<snip>

I agree with Walter's earlier post that the 7CT1N is a lessor curve tracer.
I believe its popularity just comes from being a 7000 series plug-in. If
the 5000 series had been more popular than the 7000 series, then Walter from
Sphere would have said something about how overrated the 5CT1 is instead. :)


Re: Tektronix Programmed Semiconductor Instruction Materials

 

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Looks like these are available in PDF form at , along with some other cool stuff.

DaveD


On 3/22/2013 5:30 PM, Tom Jobe wrote:

?

I saw the earlier?post about this series of books from Tektronix.
I have an original copy of the volume titled "Semiconductor Diodes and Transistors programmed Instruction Volume 7, reference for Volumes 4 and 5". It has part number 062-0432-00 on the front of it and it is dated March of 1969. Obviously there are a number of other volumes in this series.
If there isn't a free copy of this volume available, I will be happy to scan its 227(?) pages into a PDF file and post it to KO4BB.com.
tom jobe...
?
?
?
?
?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 3:31 PM
Subject: [TekScopes] Re: Tektronix Programmed Semiconductor Instruction Materials

?

The vendor is Larry Christopher; I have purchased items from him over the last 3 years and

have found him to be a reliable and honest seller and also believe he is a member of this group.

Best Regards,

Chuck? w8dux

Aka rubbrdux



Re: Tektronix Programmed Semiconductor Instruction Materials

Tom Jobe
 

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I saw the earlier?post about this series of books from Tektronix.
I have an original copy of the volume titled "Semiconductor Diodes and Transistors programmed Instruction Volume 7, reference for Volumes 4 and 5". It has part number 062-0432-00 on the front of it and it is dated March of 1969. Obviously there are a number of other volumes in this series.
If there isn't a free copy of this volume available, I will be happy to scan its 227(?) pages into a PDF file and post it to KO4BB.com.
tom jobe...
?
?
?
?
?

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 3:31 PM
Subject: [TekScopes] Re: Tektronix Programmed Semiconductor Instruction Materials

?

The vendor is Larry Christopher; I have purchased items from him over the last 3 years and

have found him to be a reliable and honest seller and also believe he is a member of this group.

Best Regards,

Chuck? w8dux

Aka rubbrdux


Re: AVR Transistor Tester

 

I was going to do a similar design, (different sockets), but opted to do one small socket on the top of the case (I have a pile of nice secondary sockets I can use to avoid wearing out the primary socket), and three banana jacks on 3/4 centers on the side of the case.? This allows the use of the Tek xstr sockets or a set of leads.? Why the side?? It was the only box I had that would work, and top mounting the jacks would have caused internal issues.

I've found that the ESR is kind hit or miss on mine, but that's not what I bought it for.

-Dave

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Bert,

Where can I BUY one of these AVR transistor testers? I see a lot of places on the web for making one but I would prefer to just buy a completed one (bare display and AVR and them mount it into a small box with several different style transistor sockets on it.

Dennis

Dennis

I have four somewhat similar units:

1??? Shop made ATMega 328P with custom software.

2?? Heavily modded Arduino D , custom software.

3??? like 21204009570 AVR chip is easy to replace, upgrade if needed.?
?

4??? like 321092713011? newer software with more functions SMT AVR chip probably difficult to replace, upgrade.
????? Had one like this for two days then a friend borrowed it.

As you can guess, I'm way into this project so I don't which one to recommend.

This is very much a ongoing project so " you pays your money.. you take your choice"
This should not be considered as a total replacement for other instruments but IMHO it is a very useful device.
Needless to say you should take any results obtained with the inductance test with a large "grain of salt".

As to "several different style transistor sockets on it".
I just borrowed this from one of my many curve tracers.

? Bert


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Since the little AVR based tester came out the curve tester is only needed for the
more exotic things anyway.






Re: 7854 waveform calculator on eBay

Peter Gottlieb
 

Wow if that's what they're going for maybe I should sell my 7854 and keyboard separately!

I am getting around to selling that and some others off, and it's a nice, fully working unit, which seems to be getting rarer and rarer.

Didn't get it for $125 though...

On 3/22/2013 7:08 PM, d.seiter@... wrote:

I 'm surprised at how much these go for, considering it's basically just a keyboard. I remember back in the late '70s when the local computer store was selling keyboards for about $150. A few years later they became a cheap commodity.

My entire 7854 system (except for the 7b87) cost me $125.

-dave

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*From: *"David Holland" <david.w.holland@...>
*To: *TekScopes@...
*Sent: *Friday, March 22, 2013 12:52:28 PM
*Subject: *Re: [TekScopes] 7854 waveform calculator on eBay

IIRC, there's little aluminum pegs/stand offs that the circuit board
mounts on. They seem to like to break off if the keyboard gets
dropped, or otherwise knocked around.

I believe they'd reattach well enough with epoxy if enough of them got
broken for it to be an issue.

There's a few broken in mine, but not enough to be an issue.

On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Craig Sawyers
<c.sawyers@... <mailto:c.sawyers%40tech-enterprise.com>> wrote:
==================
I don't know. But I never assume something works when I buy it on eBay. It
does have circuitry in it which could fail.
==================

Yeah - but the circuitry is trivial. Four 74LSxxx chips, current
production, less than $2 for all four.

I was more worried about hardware things, like duff switches.

Craig



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Re: Anti-static bags

 

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That is how I read the post.

DaveD


On 3/22/2013 4:08 PM, DanielW wrote:

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Actually, it is an answer to the request. I never said he should use regular poly bags for static-sensitive components, somehow you made that up all by yourself. I just said that Ebay has been a good place, in my experience, for getting odds and ends such as that. I haven't had to buy antistatic bags, but I do get a lot of other things on there, like the regular poly bags, rivets, thermal printer labels, etc.

I said my post probably wouldn't be popular because there seems to be a lot of anti-Ebay sentiment around here.

Dan

--- In TekScopes@..., Dave C wrote:
>
> Don't know about how "popular" your post will be, but it's not an answer to a request for "anti-static" bags.
>
> You will kill static-sensitive components by placing them inside plain poly bags.
>
> Also note that the pink plastic bags are static-dissipative (will not self-generate static) but are prone to static charge being applied to them by mishandling. The sliver (grey-ish) mylar bags are shielded bags and will protect the components within from a static charge applied tot he bag.



Re: Handy hint for a screen filter

Rob
 

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If there was a “useful answer button” Anad’s answer would get high honor from me. I had asked a similar question as the original poster some 6 months ago.

The Gelpaper solution was pointed out then (I cannot find the message thread for some reason so Thank you Anad for this time and back then…as well)

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As it turns out there is such a selection of colors and densities. I have not settled on which ones I like best.

I have order from the following link:

There are several other suppliers as well. Do any on the forum have specific vendors and colors they have found?

Experimenting has been kind-of fun and I have found a couple of ‘ok’ colors (but the density is to light for my sensibilities).

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If anyone has ran down there favorite I sure would appreciate it if you could share. I am looking for a good green (for 7000 series storage scopes) and a good blue for the same series of scopes. Is there a preferred color? I haven’t seen any others but blue and green for 7000 series were others offered?

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Thanks as always for the bandwidth.

Rob

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From: TekScopes@... [mailto:TekScopes@...] On Behalf Of Anad SivolcSP
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 4:45 PM
To: TekScopes@...
Subject: [TekScopes] Re: Handy hint for a screen filter

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Your local music store has "Gelpaper",which is their term for heat-resistant Color Filtering sheets used on those huge multicolored lighting arrays. Comes in all colors and graduations of colors And densities..Take your scope..some crts filter differently than you might think,as there are different green color temps and purities. Some filter blue beautifully, others refuse to and appear a? sickly green thru the blue. Apparently some phosphors are a? purer green .With the graduations available, you may find one that works much better than another,even tho they look similar, and the density graduations let you find one you can still see the graticule thru without running a scary intensity level.. d: )>
...Dana (danish, Anad ..:)

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Re: 7854 waveform calculator on eBay

 

I 'm surprised at how much these go for, considering it's basically just a keyboard.?I remember back in the late '70s when the local computer store was selling keyboards for about $150.? A few years later they became a cheap commodity.

?

?My entire 7854 system (except for the 7b87)?cost me?$125.?

?

-dave


From: "David Holland"
To: TekScopes@...
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:52:28 PM
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] 7854 waveform calculator on eBay

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IIRC, there's little aluminum pegs/stand offs that the circuit board
mounts on. They seem to like to break off if the keyboard gets
dropped, or otherwise knocked around.

I believe they'd reattach well enough with epoxy if enough of them got
broken for it to be an issue.

There's a few broken in mine, but not enough to be an issue.

On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Craig Sawyers
<c.sawyers@...> wrote:
> ==================
> I don't know. But I never assume something works when I buy it on eBay. It
> does have circuitry in it which could fail.
> ==================
>
> Yeah - but the circuitry is trivial. Four 74LSxxx chips, current
> production, less than $2 for all four.
>
> I was more worried about hardware things, like duff switches.
>
> Craig
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>


WTB - 7L13 or 7L14 Center Frequency Knob

 

Does anyone have a spare center frequency knob (grey with black inlay) for sale? It come with a brass weight insert but I have the brass part and only need the plastic knob part. I was about to put my otherwise perfect 7L14 up for sale and noticed a crack in the knob and it fragmented on removal. The brass weight insert has a 1/8" diameter shaft.

thanks

Jerry
K1JOS