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Re: Tek 2465b display drifting up and down

 

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Thanks for the advice. All four channels looked reasonable and I didn't notice any?non-linearity, but I only spent a few minutes with the scope. I'll get methodical next.

I did notice some crosstalk between Ch1 and Ch2, when I was feeding 100 MHz, 1Vrms into Ch2, so I'll take a look at the switches too.

Thanks,
-Scott

On Feb 22, 2013, at 5:07 PM, David <davidwhess@...> wrote:

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I would start looking on schematic 6 since the vertical drift affects
everything. If it is a failure in U600 or U400 then there is not much
to be done but there are other possible.

The channel switch digital inputs which select what to display, VS1
through VS4, might not be switching all of the way.

The vertical centering signal into pin 39 of U600 might be drifting. I
would disconnect the dynamic centering and then adjust the vertical
and horizontal centering adjustment and see how that changes things.

Do all 4 input channels work over the full vertical range of the CRT
without any non-linearity?

On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 14:34:35 -0700, Scott Harris
scottrharris@...> wrote:

>I just received a 2465b and it seemed fine on my initial check. However, after leaving it on for several minutes, the readout and display started to drift up and down. At times, the top of the readout was off the screen.
>
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>I spent a few minutes searching but didn't find any other posts describing a similar issue. I'll keep looking.
>
>I'm going to open it and check all the voltage rails and look for leaky caps.
>
>Does this problem ring a bell with anyone? Any hints or pointers?
>
>Thanks,
>-Scott



OT: Datatek Video Sweep Generator D631 manual wanted

 

Does anyone knows a source for the service and user manual of this instrument (Datatek video sweep generator model D631)???

Thanks in advance,

Max


Re: Tek 2465b display drifting up and down

 

I would start looking on schematic 6 since the vertical drift affects
everything. If it is a failure in U600 or U400 then there is not much
to be done but there are other possible.

The channel switch digital inputs which select what to display, VS1
through VS4, might not be switching all of the way.

The vertical centering signal into pin 39 of U600 might be drifting. I
would disconnect the dynamic centering and then adjust the vertical
and horizontal centering adjustment and see how that changes things.

Do all 4 input channels work over the full vertical range of the CRT
without any non-linearity?

On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 14:34:35 -0700, Scott Harris
<scottrharris@...> wrote:

I just received a 2465b and it seemed fine on my initial check. However, after leaving it on for several minutes, the readout and display started to drift up and down. At times, the top of the readout was off the screen.


I spent a few minutes searching but didn't find any other posts describing a similar issue. I'll keep looking.

I'm going to open it and check all the voltage rails and look for leaky caps.

Does this problem ring a bell with anyone? Any hints or pointers?

Thanks,
-Scott


Re: 2456B whole display moved up on the CRT

 

Have you made any progress on this issue? I just received a 2465b today and it does the same thing after warming up for a while.

Good luck!
-Scott

--- In TekScopes@..., "allegretto2a" <allegretto2a@...> wrote:

My trusty 2465B now has a vertically offset display on the CRT. The bottom of the normal display is now at mid-point. Has anyone seen and solved this problem? Where do I look for the source of this problem?
Thanks, AL


Re: Cleaning nickel-plated adapters and input connectors? Magic formula?

 

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If you can get to all of it, a pencil eraser actually works pretty well. It would be tougher to get around the base, though.


On 02/22/2013 02:52 PM, Daniel Koller wrote:

Good point! ?I wasn't really thinking. ?They likely are mostly silver since they tarnished black. ?Nickel will probably go greenish (or perhaps that's from the copper underneath that oxidize on a couple connectors I have).

If the concern with the Tarnex is removing it, at least on the adaptors I can sonicate them in warm water and that should be effective in removing the solution after a couple?rinses.

Dan



From: "bonddaleena@..."
To: TekScopes@...
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Cleaning nickel-plated adapters and input connectors? Magic formula?

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Hi Dan. On all the TE I have, the connectors appear to be Silver plated. You could (!) carefully clean them with "Tarnex" liquid. Then clean off that stuff with Windex, etc.
Most of the time, I simply give then a quick brushing with a stainless steel detail brush, which looks like a toothbrush.

ron
N4UE
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-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Koller
To: TekScopes
Sent: Fri, Feb 22, 2013 3:33 pm
Subject: [TekScopes] Cleaning nickel-plated adapters and input connectors? Magic formula?

?
Hi folks,

? I am sure this has been asked before, so please point me to the correct links if so. ?A quick search of the archives didn't find anything easily.

? How does one clean t he nickel-plated adapters and input connectors of old scopes? ?I am thinking of two situations here. ?The first is the BNC or UHF connectors on the panels of the scopes, that cannot be easily removed. ?The second case is things like BNC T's and BNC to UHF adapters and the like which are small and can be completely dipped in some cleaning solution.

? I have a number of adapters and connectors where the nickel is getting black, and they are filthy. ?I would Ideally like to deoxidize them so they come out shiny and new. ?Some sort of chemical dip or a series of washes would be preferred, where I can keep the amount of physical scrubbing required to a minimum. ?I envision perhaps scrubbing once with a toothbrush (maybe with tooth paste?),?wrinsing?in an ultrasonic bath, then dipping them in some magic formula that shines them up. ?Connectors on the scope would have to be brushed and washed in-situ.

? The question is, what is the magic formula?

? Thanks.

? Dan




Tek 2465b display drifting up and down

 

I just received a 2465b and it seemed fine on my initial check. However, after leaving it on for several minutes, the readout and display started to drift up and down. At times, the top of the readout was off the screen.


I spent a few minutes searching but didn't find any other posts describing a similar issue. I'll keep looking.

I'm going to open it and check all the voltage rails and look for leaky caps.

Does this problem ring a bell with anyone? Any hints or pointers?

Thanks,
-Scott


Re: Cleaning nickel-plated adapters and input connectors? Magic formula?

 

Good point! ?I wasn't really thinking. ?They likely are mostly silver since they tarnished black. ?Nickel will probably go greenish (or perhaps that's from the copper underneath that oxidize on a couple connectors I have).

If the concern with the Tarnex is removing it, at least on the adaptors I can sonicate them in warm water and that should be effective in removing the solution after a couple?rinses.

Dan



From: "bonddaleena@..."
To: TekScopes@...
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Cleaning nickel-plated adapters and input connectors? Magic formula?

?
Hi Dan. On all the TE I have, the connectors appear to be Silver plated. You could (!) carefully clean them with "Tarnex" liquid. Then clean off that stuff with Windex, etc.
Most of the time, I simply give then a quick brushing with a stainless steel detail brush, which looks like a toothbrush.

ron
N4UE
?



-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Koller
To: TekScopes
Sent: Fri, Feb 22, 2013 3:33 pm
Subject: [TekScopes] Cleaning nickel-plated adapters and input connectors? Magic formula?

?
Hi folks,

? I am sure this has been asked before, so please point me to the correct links if so. ?A quick search of the archives didn't find anything easily.

? How does one clean t he nickel-plated adapters and input connectors of old scopes? ?I am thinking of two situations here. ?The first is the BNC or UHF connectors on the panels of the scopes, that cannot be easily removed. ?The second case is things like BNC T's and BNC to UHF adapters and the like which are small and can be completely dipped in some cleaning solution.

? I have a number of adapters and connectors where the nickel is getting black, and they are filthy. ?I would Ideally like to deoxidize them so they come out shiny and new. ?Some sort of chemical dip or a series of washes would be preferred, where I can keep the amount of physical scrubbing required to a minimum. ?I envision perhaps scrubbing once with a toothbrush (maybe with tooth paste?),?wrinsing?in an ultrasonic bath, then dipping them in some magic formula that shines them up. ?Connectors on the scope would have to be brushed and washed in-situ.

? The question is, what is the magic formula?

? Thanks.

? Dan



Re: Cleaning nickel-plated adapters and input connectors? Magic formula?

 

Hi Dan. On all the TE I have, the connectors appear to be Silver plated. You could (!) carefully clean them with "Tarnex" liquid. Then clean off that stuff with Windex, etc.
Most of the time, I simply give then a quick brushing with a stainless steel detail brush, which looks like a toothbrush.

ron
N4UE?



-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Koller
To: TekScopes
Sent: Fri, Feb 22, 2013 3:33 pm
Subject: [TekScopes] Cleaning nickel-plated adapters and input connectors? Magic formula?

?
Hi folks,

? I am sure this has been asked before, so please point me to the correct links if so. ?A quick search of the archives didn't find anything easily.

? How does one clean t he nickel-plated adapters and input connectors of old scopes? ?I am thinking of two situations here. ?The first is the BNC or UHF connectors on the panels of the scopes, that cannot be easily removed. ?The second case is things like BNC T's and BNC to UHF adapters and the like which are small and can be completely dipped in some cleaning solution.

? I have a number of adapters and connectors where the nickel is getting black, and they are filthy. ?I would Ideally like to deoxidize them so they come out shiny and new. ?Some sort of chemical dip or a series of washes would be preferred, where I can keep the amount of physical scrubbing required to a minimum. ?I envision perhaps scrubbing once with a toothbrush (maybe with tooth paste?),?wrinsing?in an ultrasonic bath, then dipping them in some magic formula that shines them up. ?Connectors on the scope would have to be brushed and washed in-situ.

? The question is, what is the magic formula?

? Thanks.

? Dan


Cleaning nickel-plated adapters and input connectors? Magic formula?

 

Hi folks,

? I am sure this has been asked before, so please point me to the correct links if so. ?A quick search of the archives didn't find anything easily.

? How does one clean the nickel-plated adapters and input connectors of old scopes? ?I am thinking of two situations here. ?The first is the BNC or UHF connectors on the panels of the scopes, that cannot be easily removed. ?The second case is things like BNC T's and BNC to UHF adapters and the like which are small and can be completely dipped in some cleaning solution.

? I have a number of adapters and connectors where the nickel is getting black, and they are filthy. ?I would Ideally like to deoxidize them so they come out shiny and new. ?Some sort of chemical dip or a series of washes would be preferred, where I can keep the amount of physical scrubbing required to a minimum. ?I envision perhaps scrubbing once with a toothbrush (maybe with tooth paste?),?wrinsing?in an ultrasonic bath, then dipping them in some magic formula that shines them up. ?Connectors on the scope would have to be brushed and washed in-situ.

? The question is, what is the magic formula?

? Thanks.

? Dan


Re: Tek 567 spotted in 1967 DEC Logic Handbook

 

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Very nice!
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In a message dated 2/22/2013 9:33:26 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, sipespresso@... writes:

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On page xx of the preface:




Re: [TekScopes2] Oil of Wintergreen

DaveC
 

Thanks for that Mark. Another tool in the box.

Dave

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 22, 2013, at 10:46 AM, "mark101234" <mhb55@...> wrote:

I am not sure how many people are aware of Oil of Wintergreen penetrating properties, so I though I would point it out. Oil of wintergreen is very wet,it will creep into very close fits.

I have used it to free up stuck set screws in knobs, a few drops down the hole and let it sit for an hour and the screw will come right out.

Some pots when new had damping grease applied to the shaft/bushing area, as they age they become very difficult to turn. Two or three drops of Oil of Wintergreen in the shaft/bushing area and let it sit over night, positioned to let the oil run down the shaft and the pot will turn like new.

Synthetic Oil of Wintergreen does not seem to work as well as the real stuff. The real stuff is not cheep, .5 fl.oz. is about $7.00. It can be had at Drug stores and good cooking stores. A bottle lasts me about 10 years.
Oil of Wintergreen appears to be very inert I have not had it affect rubber or any plastics,unlike some commercial products. I am not sure about it's long term lubrication properties, it may be a good idea to follow it up with an oil.

I hope this proves as useful to others as it has been to me, besides the gear smells nice afterward.
Mark Bradley K6TAF


Tek 567 spotted in 1967 DEC Logic Handbook

sipespresso
 

On page xx of the preface:


535 and 585 4 sale

Ron
 

I have these almost since they were new and now need to find a good home for them both. The tubes are good nice sharp traces, but the 585 needs a HV cap replaced, and the 535 is slow to warm up..I live in Southern California so shipping is a nuisance unless local. However I will ship anywhere if you pay shipping. Will sell together separately. Best offer taken as must go by end of March.
Thanks guys...


Re: TroubleShooting Some TM500 gear.

David Nushardt
 

I would be happy just for some power good L.E.D,S and maybe test points for the transistors.

Regards Dave


Re: 7k-Extender

John Griessen
 

On 02/22/2013 01:27 AM, Martin wrote:
Hi,

I learned from the group that you may have kits for building 7k-extenders.

What do I have to do to get such a kit to build my own extender?
Thanks for your answer.

I tried responding and got a message from yahoo.com saying account disabled or discontinued.


Re: Tektronix 2465 capacitors etc.

 

Hi Chris,?
You are almost there. Pl read page 3-45 which explains how the circuit operates.?
Put the large 87 volts schematic in front of you. Look at resistor R1228 and R1227. Check that they are correct. Pin 2 of the IC, U1281, should be at 10volts or very slightly highly. R 1227 and R 1228 forms a simple voltage divider to get 10 volts from the 87 volts. That is why, R1227 is that value- 84.65K.
You need a good multimeter to measure the voltage at pin 2. ?After a few seconds after switching on, you must have pin 2 ?very slightly above 10Volts to get pin 1 at -1.53.?


If you measure 15Volts at pin 1, with 10 volts at pin 2 and 3, and transistor Q1222 is ok, and capacitor C1222 is not leaking, then change the op amp. ?

cslim?


Re: Tektronix 2465 capacitors etc.

 

Ok, I replaced Q1221, Q1222 and Q1223. I also verified R1212 while I had it out. Still no go - I tested all 3 transistors with my DMM and they all look like they're good. Where do I go from here? Q1220? The op-amp? Other components? What a bugger!

It seems like every time I turn the scope on to take a measurement my regulated volts keep getting lower on the 87, 42, and 15 volt lines. The 10v ref is stable. It's almost like whatever component it is, it's still continuing to slowly die.

Thanks guys!
Chris

--- In TekScopes@..., "Tom Miller" <tmiller11147@...> wrote:

Change Q1222. It should be full off and the collector should be up around 90 volts or so. However, Q1223 could also be pulling that line down so change it also. You could lift the collector of Q1223 and see if the supply comes up just to rule that out. Also (2), is R1212 ok? If it were open, the same issue would be there.

Tom




----- Original Message -----
From: Chris
To: TekScopes@...
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 4:52 AM
Subject: [TekScopes] Re: Tektronix 2465 capacitors etc.



I had sent a response earlier but it didn't appear to have made it.

I checked some of the voltages on the board, but can't say I entirely know what to make of all of them (newb alert again hah)

Ok, I've got 94v on the unregulated rail
On the op-amp, pin 1 vref is 10.00v Pin 2 from the voltage divider is reading as ~1v or just under. Pin 1 is reading 15.19v.

Q1222: Emitter 8v, base is grounded of course, and 11.6v on the collector.

Q1220: (sorry, not sure which is emitter/base/collector, I'd have to look up a datasheet - more newb showing through). So looking down on the power supply as it's mounted in the chassis: 11.3v on the left pin, 94.7v on the middle pin (must be the collector) and 11.8v on the right pin.

Q1221: 94v on the collector, 11.1v on the base and 10.6v on the emitter.

I didn't measure Q1223 - hard to reach that one.

R1212: 94v on the unregulated rail side, 10.5v on the other side of it.
R1220: 94v on the unregulated rail side, 9v on the other side.

Curious how I got 15.19v on pin 1 of U1281A with a 10v ref and a 1v comparison from the voltage divider off the regulated line - looking at the datasheet it looks like it should be operating as two separate op-amps with one half regulating the 87v line and the other the 42v line, so I fired it up again and checked the voltage on all of it's pins:

pin 1: 15.57v
pin 2: 1.05v
pin 3: 10.00v
pin 4: -6.86v
pin 5: 10.00v
pin 6: 1.58v
pin 7: 15.58v
pin 8: 16.42

So thinking about it for a bit, the schematic shows a voltage of -1.53v for pin 1 (a far cry from the 15v I'm getting)which I assume is the voltage I should see when the line is regulated to 82v. And I assume then that the 16.42v is the positive power for U1281, and the -6.86v is the supply that lets it pull Q1222 low when the voltage from the voltage divider feeding pin 2 = the 10v ref from pin 3.

So I guess I learned something, but as far as using the voltages to give me an indication as to what's gone wrong I'm not sure. That will take a better man (or woman) that's more educated than I! I would have to resort to the shotgun repair method at this point - replace all the components :) (certainly not to the point of wanting to shoot the scope yet lol)

As a note, when reading these voltages they can vary a bit while checking them. Sometimes it's not uncommon to see some of the voltages vary ~0.5v it seems, so that accounts for some of the variance in the first vs 2nd measurements in areas. Earlier I was reading ~9.5v on the 87v regulated line, but tonight it was just under 9v.

Thanks!
Chris


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Re: Manual or schematic available for the High Amplitude PulseGenerator?

Craig Sawyers
 

====================
Which One? There are three:
? The 1st one Tek made has no Tek part number on it but it does say on the front panel: High Amplitude Pulse Generator. This unit has a Step Attenuator, Variable Amplitude control, and a GR874 plug which you connect a length of coax to. The coax acts as a charged line and determines the duration of the output pulse.
====================

Mine has an SMA for the charge line. But that is in addition to an internal charge line.

Craig


Re: Manual or schematic available for the High Amplitude PulseGenerator?

 

Ah, I didn't realize they were that similar; I was interested in the first one (no part number).

-Dave



From: "Dennis Tillman"
To: TekScopes@...
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 9:10:55 PM
Subject: RE: [TekScopes] Manual or schematic available for the High Amplitude PulseGenerator?

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Which One? There are three:

¡¤???????? The 1st one Tek made has no Tek part number on it but it does say on the front panel: High Amplitude Pulse Generator. This unit has a Step Attenuator, Variable Amplitude control, and a GR874 plug which you connect a length of coax to. The coax acts as a charged line and determines the duration of the output pulse.

¡¤???????? The 2nd one Tek made is in the new color scheme and says PG509 Pulse Generator across the top ribbon. It eliminated the Step Attenuator, Variable Amplitude, and charge line in favor of a fixed width fixed amplitude pulse which was then fed into an AT5010 Programmable Attenuator to adjust the amplitude. The manual is available from .

¡¤???????? The 3rd one Tek made says 067-1094-99 Pulse Generator across the top ribbon. It is identical, as far as I can tell, to the second one.

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I believe they are all essentially the same inside except that the first one had a Step Attenuator, a Variable Amplitude, and the GR874 plug for the charge line.

?

Dennis

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From: d.seiter@..., Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 8:12 PM

Just wondering if a manual/schematic is "out there" for the Tek High Amplitude Pulse Generator. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -Dave

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